Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Note OS

Note OS

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Notability disputed. Linux-based operating system released yesterday May 25th (on its first stable version). Of the three references, two are primary and the other is an unreliable blog hosted by Wordpress. The "about" section of such site claims that "Saved Computing is a blog on computing, which also includes helpful tips, articles, and more." Hahc21 ^{[TALK][CONTRIBS]} 04:26, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Slax. I couldn't find any third-party references to establish notability, but we could mention it at the Slax article, seeing as Note OS was forked from the Slax distribution. It seems too soon for Note OS to have its own article now, but if third-party sources appear in the future then there's no reason why we couldn't restore the current version and improve the sourcing. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 09:36, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Slax - As noted by the article creator at Talk:Note OS, he is also the creator of the Linux distro which is the subject of the article, meaning that this article was essentially started to promote his distro. Furthermore there are no independent third party refs so this subject fails WP:N, as non-notable. If the consensus is not to merge as a mention in Slax then I would support deletion. - Ahunt (talk) 15:35, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:03, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tow talk 22:28, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, →B music ian 02:48, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No coverage in independent third-party sources. Far too soon for the subject to have established any notability. No need to merge. —Psychonaut (talk) 09:54, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep interesting young distro --Hiddenray (talk) 15:59, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Hiddenray! Unfortunately, comments based on how interesting the subject is don't carry very much weight at all in deletion discussions - see here for the reasons why. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 16:25, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I see. I ain't a bureaucrat, so i just said my point of view without reading all policies before. However i think that the article should be kept. Moreover, estimate the notability from external sources is a questionable way to estimate the worthiness of subjects. If the owner of this linux distribution had enough money to corrupt bloggers and journals you'd have hundreds of articles and sources... and the very same linux distribution. IMHO keeping the article damages no one and helps everyone --Hiddenray (talk) 16:54, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
On the contrary; external sources are the only means we have of estimating the notability of subjects. Please refer to Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Reliable sources for further information. —Psychonaut (talk) 17:27, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - User:Hiddenray said "Moreover, estimate the notability from external sources is a questionable way to estimate the worthiness of subjects". You are free to believe that but it is a widely accepted Wikipedia guideline and determines whether an article is kept or not. The reasons for this are not merely bureaucratic in nature, because without reliable third party references a proper encyclopedia article cannot be written and Wikipedia would simply degenerate into a blog where any opinion could be presented as fact. - Ahunt (talk) 17:33, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's an operating system you can download. It's not an opinion, it's there. I present this as a fact, because it is a fact. In a blog-like website any opinion can be presented as fact, but an operating system is not an opinion. It' something you can virtually touch... because unlike Google's Chrome OS - in this case - the article has been published after the release of the software. I explain this illogical thing in the post bellow. --Hiddenray (talk) 20:01, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is some good sense in what is written in the two pages there. Anyway, it's hard to image how any Apple's product is "notable" for the encyclopedia even before it's available on the market, but the same product without all the advertising wouldn't be notable even after. From this point of view, the free encyclopedia is more similar to a vacuum unit for advertising: the more the advertising is spread, the more the thing is notable. Also, the "identifying reliable sources" guideline is a bit strange, because the reliability of notable authors is up to you to decide. In the same way as a notable author is often notable only for his/her supporters. As Google is legally registered as an advertising company(!), i ain't surprised by seeing all of its products with a dedicated page and several categories (Google, Google services, ...). In fact, the history page says that the Google Chrome OS article has been created much before the actual product was available (yes the day after its announcement, this OS was already notable for Wikipedians...). The more i know about Wikipedia from the inside, the less it seems to me free (as in freedom) and open (as in open minded). Why was Google Chrome OS notable the day after its announcement, but a real operating system like Note OS is not notable? Perhaps because this encyclopedia isn't so much free, only who is big and can pay and can buy his notability in a day is notable, and this encyclopedia isn't so much open because its doors are closed to whom has another name rather than Google or Apple. In my first day my first impression as registered editor of this wiki, isn't much good.--Hiddenray (talk) 20:01, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: example of a notable yet (at the time) non-existent operating system: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Google_Chrome_OS&oldid=300938345

Google Chrome OS is an open source, lightweight operating system that will initially be targeted at netbooks, announced by Google on July 7th, 2009, to be shipped in the second half of 2010
— Wikipedia

announced by Google = automatic notability; announced = marketing/advertising/non-existent product --Hiddenray (talk) 20:29, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]