Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/G-WAN (Web server)

G-WAN (Web server)

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largely promotional article on an unremarkable web server. Claims are referenced with primary sources, other wikipedia articles or blogs. Lacks coverage in 3rd party reliable sources. (hotly) contested prod. RadioFan (talk) 13:11, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. —RadioFan (talk) 13:16, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I liked the "Lacks coverage in 3rd party reliable sources" comment since the external link targeted here is for a "Swiss Federal Institute of Technology" Laboratory Student involved in the "Distributed Information Systems Laboratory". 1) I hardly can be accused of having any grip on the Academic world ("3rd Party"); 2) the "Distributed Information Systems Laboratory" of one of the most respected universities in the world can hardly be qualified of NOT being a "reliable source". The reason for you to remove G-WAN this time was "addition with no article". Since the G-WAN article HAS BEEN WIPED-OUT by Wikipedia 'moderators' like the one making this remark, this is a vicious circle: they make their own luck to justify deletions. In the past, similar fallacious arguments were used, like removing all references and then claiming that no references were available, or claiming that G-WAN is not 'notable' while G-WAN is the fastest Web Server on BOTH Windows AND Linux (and by a large margin, see the article EXTERNAL links), and whether user-mode or kernel-mode servers are considered. It is also and by several orders of magnitude the smallest in size (server + C scripts = 200 KB that you must compare with Java, PHP or .Net). For the record, "notability" means "the quality that makes somebody or something worth paying attention to". You did not answer any of my arguments - proof that your goal is not to evaluate the value of this article. The fact that you go as far as to deny the EPFL existence *because* it is referenced on Wikipedia reveals how much you value fair talks (to check its existence, you could click on the wikipedia link to reach the EPFL website). Instead of discussing the merit of this article or of your deletion, instead of presenting arguments, you are threatening me of a permanent exclusion. This behavior is clearly NOT serving the Temple of Knowledge: why, on all the Web servers listed on Wikipedia, the only one that MUST be "deleted permanently" (to quote RadioFan) is G-WAN, the smallest, fastest and safest (no vulnerabilities ever, another notable difference) of all. This is a simple question - the only one I am asking.

Bugapi (talk) 13:29, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm not seeing an external link to the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, I'm seeing a reference to the École Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne Wikipedia page. There is a reference that is labeled as being from a Ph.D. student at the Distributed Information Systems Laboratory of EPFL, however this reference is to a wordpress blog which is a self published source which raises reliability concerns. Is there something more concrete such as a press release or some other page on the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology website that covers this software in detail, if so that would a good reference to include here. a reference to another wikipedia page is not. Looking over the history, I'm not seeing any evidence of references being removed, thats a pretty serious claim to make. I dont think anyone denies the existence of this software or ÉPFL, but existence of this software or any institution involved in it doesn't help establish notability here, References to reliable sources does. Also, please dont misquote, no one has said the article "MUST be deleted permanently". The article will be deleted if the consensus here is delete. Please focus on improving the article, not on other editors. --RadioFan (talk) 14:00, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - No Google news hits that I saw, either from the find sources or my own permutations of g-wan (g wan, g-wan, G-WAN server, etc). Some google hits, but I'm unsure about the ones I looked at as being reliable...and didn't see much to support the notability other than being 'the fastest web server', based on the blog posting. To answer the article creator's question - it probably not the only one that should be deleted, but WP:OTHERSTUFF existing on wikipedia doesn't meant that they too shouldn't also be deleted. Syrthiss (talk) 14:07, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"notability: the quality that makes somebody or something WORTH PAYING ATTENTION to". You mis-represent the meaning of "notability" by linking to "the numbers of links on Google" (or any other media). G-WAN is notable because of its qualities, not because appointed media are publishing about it.Bugapi (talk) 14:16, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]