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contested prod. lacks significant coverage in 3rd party sources. RadioFan (talk) 13:42, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

LiveCode under the name of Revolution is given significant coverage in Wally Wang's Beginning Programming for Dummies, 4th edition. Chikako
LiveCode is a re-labeling of the product Runtime Revolution which has been available and used extensively for almost 10 years. I suggest that the title be modified to include the phrase formerly Runtime Revolution (or later titles e.g. RevStudio, etc.) Marc Siskin
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions.
Delete. Advertisement (LiveCode is a much richer and far more powerful evolution of that original program, supporting multiple platforms, devices and many fundamental language extensions such as object-oriented behaviors.) for a minor programming language. Were this language significant, I'd expect to find books about it from people other than its publisher. Note that some book and scholar hits seem to refer to some kind of music software with a similar name. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 15:25, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Tone of the article has been modified to make the point of view more neutral. Bibliography, references and external links added. The fact that another software product may have a similar name doesn't seem relevant to this discussion. Devin Asay (talk) 16:22, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have updated the page to remove this reference that could be interpreted as advertising. I have added a number of additional links, including to one of the LiveCode courses being taught in higher education, one of the recent independent reviews and a number of 3rd party resource sites including documentation and 3rd party development frameworks.
LiveCode is an established product with a relatively small but growing developer community. As Marc Siskin notes, the recent name change may contribute to the lack of references, but this should change as 3rd party LiveCode web sites update their sites. Regarding lhcoyc's "Advertisement" complaint, suggest the superlatives be toned down and features described in more neutral language. I know of a number of 3rd party web sites that deal with LiveCode (formerly Revolution) programming. External links and references can be improved by including those. - Devin Asay (talk) 16:53, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment "established" and "relatively small" dont go well together. Without reliable sources it's hard to show notability here. 3rd party websites may or may not be reliable.--RadioFan (talk) 18:37, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment RE "relatively small". Size of a user community isn't necessarily the determining factor in whether something qualifies as notable. I would argue that LiveCode is the most notable descendant of HyperCard, an enormously influential product in the 1980s and 90s. Perhaps this point ought to be made in the article--i.e., citations that make this point. And granted, 3rd party websites are of varying reliability, but a large number of sites that cite or are devoted to LiveCode (or whatever development tool) I would think are indications of notability. Devin Asay (talk) 23:36, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Hypercard is certainly notable but that's not what this AFD is discussing. Can you provide reliable sources which charactize LiveCode as a "notable descendent" of Hypercard or is this your analysis? Also, the number of sites mentioning LiveCode doesn't do that much to establish its notability, significant coverage in reliable 3rd party sources does. I'm still not seeing that in the article.--RadioFan (talk) 01:47, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]