Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive/2010/November
Proposals, November 2010
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NEW PROPOSALS
Category:Canadian hospital stubs Speedy creation: S1 and S2
Okay so I goofed a little bit a created the category before reading the instructions. However, there are 58 Canadian hospital stub articles that I just counted. There is a Canadian hospital stub template already and I would like to edit it to transpose to this new category.Ng.j (talk) 22:54, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Just tagged a bunch of pages, bringing the total number around 126 CatScan. Ng.j (talk) 23:12, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
- Support. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:12, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
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I think this can be used well..♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:31, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
- Support, naturally. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 22:06, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
- Upmerged template {{US-anglican-church-stub}} has 122 transclusions. I think it's time to give them their own category. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:55, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
- Support - fire away. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:44, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Polish railway station stubs
- {{Poland-rail-station-stub}} and Category:Polish railway station stubs - 258 articles (mostly not tagged with {{rail-station-stub}} at the moment). SeveroTC 13:33, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
- Support --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 17:34, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
- Most of them are here: Category:Railway stations in Pomeranian Voivodeship Ng.j (talk) 00:39, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- Could also make {{Pomeranian-rail-station-stub}} upmerged as it's the majority of the articles in question. I'm hesitant to make a separate category though as it would make the parent cat (Category:Polish railway station stubs) unviable. SeveroTC 10:43, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Support, in case it was not clear. Ng.j (talk) 22:21, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Holocaust stubs
Both Category:World War II stubs and Category:Jewish history stubs are moving towards the oversized area (both have over 600 stubs). A specific {{Holocaust-stub}} would, IMO, be a good move, as it would almost certainly be used on enough stubs for a subcategory. As such, I'd like to propose the template, plus Category:Holocaust stubs iff it reaches the 60-stub mark. BTW, I've left a heads-up about this proposal at WP:JH and WP:WWII. Grutness...wha? 08:20, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
- Support - I think I can get behind this. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 17:35, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
{{Espionage-stub}}
- {{Espionage-stub}} / Category:Espionage stubs - Certainly above 60 possible entries; probably quite a few more: catscan 1 catscan 2 - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 08:01, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
- Certainly looks viable and would probably be an idea to have an {{Espionage-bio-stub}} as well as I have seen quite a few spies. (Hint for future when using catscan to find stubs set the links to 0 otherwise you can end up with some quite large articles that just have no links deep politics shows up on both lists despite being over 5000 bytes in size.) Waacstats (talk) 09:59, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
- Ah, thanks, I'll keep that in mind for the future. - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed
- Support at least one - both should be viable. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:37, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
{{AncientRome-politician-stub}} is used on 143 articles any objections? Waacstats (talk) 21:58, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
- Support - none from this quarter. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
Poland stubs
Some viable templates/cats I found on established lines:
- {{Poland-party-stub}} = 43
- Category:Polish sports venue stubs = 60 ({{Poland-sports-venue-stub}})
- Category:Polish speedway biography stubs = 63 ({{Poland-speedway-bio-stub}})
- Category:Polish volleyball biography stubs = 72 ({{Poland-volleyball-bio-stub}})
SeveroTC 19:38, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
- Support all, to the point where I thought we already had the first 2. Waacstats (talk) 21:49, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
- Support all. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
- Support all Even with only 43, it creates manageable stub categories, rather than pots of miscellany. --Kleopatra (talk) 19:35, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
While starting to sort the recent split of Documentary film stubs, I'm noticing quite a few sports documentaries - probably enough for a separate category, and certainly enough for a template. I'd like to propose a template, and a category as well if it looks like there's going to be 60 of them. Grutness...wha? 22:23, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- Support, naturally. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 22:32, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- Support --Kleopatra (talk) 19:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
Having looked at the proposal for splits of state politicians below I noticed we didn't even have a template for Washington DC politicians, I know this is politically different to the States but catscan seems to suggest that a template at least worth while and maybe with a good sort we can get Category:Washington DC politician stubs created at 60+ articles. Waacstats (talk) 10:28, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- Support template, absolutely. Category ought to be viable (edit: a quick scan of related articles indicates to me that it probably will pass muster), support if so. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:47, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- Support I saw that that was missing too, I didn't get around to checking viablity. ~Gosox(55)(55) 00:09, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Split of Category:Chinese people stubs
Splits of Category:Gracillarioidea stubs
Many splits of Category:American politician stubs
Here is a stab at a number of splits of American politician stubs. All are viable unless noted, I have included a catscan link for your convenience. If approved, I will probably start on these on Thanksgiving weekend, and assistance will be greatly appreciated. ~Gosox(55)(55) 17:25, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Split of Category:California politician stubs
- Category:California United States Representative stubs/{{California-Representative-stub}} catscan
Done
- {{California-CASenate-stub}} catscan <-- not quite enough for a category, but worth tagging with a template for future categorization.
Done (and categorized)
- Category:California State Assembly Member stubs/{{California-CAAssembly-stubs}} catscan
Done
- Category:California mayor stubs/{{California-mayor-stub}} catscan
~Gosox(55)(55) 17:08, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Split of Category:Virginia politician stubs
- Category:Virginia United States Representative stubs/{{Virginia-Representative-stub}} catscan
Done
- Category:Virginia Delegate stubs/{{Virginia-delegate-stub}} catscan
- Category:Virginia State Senator stubs/{{Virginia-VASenate-stub}} catscan
~Gosox(55)(55) 16:46, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Split of Category:New York politician stubs
- Category:New York State Senator stubs/{{NewYork-NYSenate-stub}} catscan barely started
- Category:New York Assembly Member stubs/{{NewYork-NYAssembly-stub}} catscan started
- Category:New York mayor stubs/{{NewYork-mayor-stub}} catscan
~Gosox(55)(55) 16:25, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
- Category:Massachusetts United States Representative stubs/{{Massachusetts-Representative-stub}} catscan
Done
- Category:Massachusetts State Senator stubs/{{Massachusetts-MASenate-stub}} catscan
Done
- Category:Massachusetts House of Representatives stubs/{{Massachusetts-MARepresentative-stub}} catscan
Done
- Category:Massachusetts mayor stubs/{{Massachusetts-mayor-stub}} catscan
~Gosox(55)(55) 17:52, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
- Support all - I was just giving this some thought myself. Will be happy to help out. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:30, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
- Update: A full category for California state senator stubs should be viable, as I've just tagged a handful of articles in the main category as stubs. (They fit - they just weren't tagged as such.) --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 20:58, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- Changed MARep to MARepresentative per PARepresentative
- Update: A full category for California state senator stubs should be viable, as I've just tagged a handful of articles in the main category as stubs. (They fit - they just weren't tagged as such.) --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 20:58, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
Category:Ancient Dacia stubs create
Category:Synapsid stubs split
further split of Category:American novelist, 20th century birth stubs
Category:Moth stubs split
split of Category:European nobility stubs
split of Category:Polish people stubs
Split of Category:Documentary film stubs
This needs doing - it contains 1312 stubs. And, following on from the oddly-named "Category:Documentary films about music stubs" (whose idea was that? These aren't films about music stubs, they're about music!), splitting by subject seems the most logical way. I'd like to propose the following templates, with categories for any which pass 60:
- {{Art-documentary-film-stub}} (the arts) (118, plus the existing music cat as a subcat)
- {{Nature-documentary-film-stub}} (animals, plants) (32 - see note)
- {{War-documentary-film-stub}} (war doc. films) (62)
- {{Bio-documentary-film-stub}} (for biographies) (130)
- {{Hist-documentary-film-stub}} (doc. films about historical events) (72, and the war category, if made, would be a logical subcategory)
- {{Poli-documentary-film-stub}} (doc. films about politics) (67)
If those figures are accurate, it should lower the parent considerably - probably still too big, but 900's better than 1300. I'd be willing to bet that the numbers in brackets (the catscan counts for possible numbers) are low, as well. I don't believe the 32 value for nature to start with - on a quick glance at the stub cat I'd say there are considerably more than that. Grutness...wha? 04:53, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
- I have no idea where that category namecame from it used to be "music documentary film stubs" or something similar. any way Support the split. Waacstats (talk) 12:37, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
- I've put it up for renaming... but Waacstats, your memory seems to be slipping! Grutness...wha? 09:27, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
- Support all. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:20, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
- Support all. A ridiculously large and unusable stub category. I might be able to expand some when the stubs templates are done and put on the categories. I'll watch list.
- On a side note, I hate the abbreviated stub templates "Poli-documentary-film-stub" because I can never remember them. I would prefer "Political-documentary-film-stub," "History-documentary-film-stub." --Kleopatra (talk) 22:22, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
- Redirects from those names would be possible, but all other politics- and history-related stub templates use those abbreviations, so they make sense for the primary names. Grutness...wha? 23:14, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
- Ok. If it's already established, it would be easier that way. I still like to be able to just guess the stub category. Thanks for the info. --Kleopatra (talk) 23:20, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
- Redirects from those names would be possible, but all other politics- and history-related stub templates use those abbreviations, so they make sense for the primary names. Grutness...wha? 23:14, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
- Comment Would a better solution be breaking them down by decade, as per the French, Japanese, Italian, British, etc film stubs and also the different genres (drama, comedy, horror, etc)? Lugnuts (talk) 10:06, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
- Possibly in addition, but not instead of. Categories should have utility for readers and editors. Breaking down documentaries by decade does not provide significant utility for either editors or readers in the way that categorizing by genre does. Documentaries on are or history may have broad groups of followers, for example--potential editors in that category. --Kleopatra (talk) 16:23, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
- That was pretty much my thought too - and given that there's already one by-genre child it makes sense to continue using this method as the primary split. Grutness...wha? 22:12, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
- Possibly in addition, but not instead of. Categories should have utility for readers and editors. Breaking down documentaries by decade does not provide significant utility for either editors or readers in the way that categorizing by genre does. Documentaries on are or history may have broad groups of followers, for example--potential editors in that category. --Kleopatra (talk) 16:23, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
- I'm probably one of the more active editors in documentaries by topic. I just became aware of this discussion and I think it's all great. Except that, from what I can see, "Art" documentary stubs should probably be renamed to "Arts," to match the parent Category:Documentary films about the arts. Art may be understood as visual arts only, and for what you're using it for here, the more inclusive arts would seem to be the way to go. (I do seem to be recall this point being briefly raised at the time the Docs by topic category underwent an expansion, but I can't find the diff). Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:42, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- That makes some sense - I'll take the category over to WP:SFD for possible renaming. Grutness...wha? 04:25, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Asking for a "retroactive speedy" on this one. I did not know the procedure and created the category. There are multiple articles already covered by "Category:College football coaches first appointed in the XXXXs stubs" categories, by decade from 1890 to 2000. Will follow procedure in the future now that I know it (which should be in about 10 years).--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:55, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
- Support --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:16, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
- Support to keep consistency with earlier years. --Kslotte (talk) 15:21, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
- Wondering if this needs to be of upmerge type anyway? currently the cat is only populated with 4 articles. --Kslotte (talk) 10:58, 30 November 2010 (UTC)