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Help dating 18th century French painter Antoine Graincourt
Hi friends. I'm attempting to resolve the dating inconsistency in the Antoine Graincourt article and a simple google search is not cutting it. Could someone who has access to an academic library or database help? The article says in the text Graincourt's dates are 1699-1753, but also places him in the category 1748 births and 1823 deaths.
Google searches suggest that the dates 1699-1753 are probably wrong: being actually the birth and death dates for one of the people Graincourt painted, Bertrand-François Mahé de La Bourdonnais. For example, see this biography of Mahé at Biographie.net ("né à Saint-Malo le 11 février 1699 et mort à Paris le 10 novembre 1753") or this museum page from a museum that has Mahé's portrait in its collection, and attributes the 1699-1753 dates to Graincourt, not Mahé. Google also turned up one source for Graincourt completing a painting after 1753: a copy of Hyacinthe Rigaud's portrait of the Marechal de Tourville; the copy is said to have been made in 1780-82
However, even if 1699-1753 is wrong, google can't help me confirm that 1748-1823 is correct. Those dates don't seem to have any online source except Wikipedia and Wikipedia mirrors/copies. Plus, Graincourt paintings include people who died before 1748, such as François Louis de Rousselet, Marquis de Châteaurenault (1637-1716) and René Duguay-Trouin (1673-1736) – though I suppose those could also be copies of earlier paintings. I hope all this is enough info. Thanks! WikiJedits (talk) 15:02, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
- I have found support for the 1748 birth date through google books. See here; likewise (with considerable overlap) for a year of death in 1823 [1]. I find no support for 1699 ([2]); hits are coincidental. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. BTW, do you have access to the full versions of any of those books? While most simply give his dates in a one-line list-type entry, these two look like they might include some actual biographical text that we could use to expand the article – if we could access it.
- 1. Vivre et mourir à Saint-Etienne aux XVIIe et XVIIIe siècles - Page 70 … Antoine Graincourt n'a pas laissé un souvenir important, selon les critiques « son dessin est ... Antoine Graincourt commence sa série de tableaux en 1780. ...
- 2. L'art de la Picardie … ANTOINE-NOEL-BENOIT GRAINCOURT, né à Corbie en 1748, et PIERRE THUILLIER, né à Amiens en 1799, ont passé leur existence artistique hors de la Picardie. ...
- Regardless, many thanks for your help here. Best, WikiJedits (talk) 20:24, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
- I'm afraid that I do not, but hopefully somebody else here will. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
- Some additional support for the 1748-1823 dates at the BNF [3] LeadSongDog come howl! 20:25, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
- The former link is for ISBN 9782862721361, OCLC 264090480, which is shown in three libraries: Two in Germany (Mainz) and (Munchen) plus one in Switzerland (Basel). Per the above, German Wikipedians may be able to help access one of these.
- The second link is for OCLC 558713555, which is held in the British Library general reference collection at shelfmark 07805.d.25/3. Someone in London may be able to help. LeadSongDog come howl! 19:10, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
