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Polar Tree

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Article is based on original research (unpublished material). Unable to find any reliable sources to sufficiently establish notability for this subject. Sebastian Garth (talk) 17:01, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm sorry, where does "polar tree" appear in that reference? And who published it? Everard Proudfoot (talk) 18:35, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Projects hosted at Google Code, SourceForge, and the like are not publications; they are repositories for code (and not necessarily endorsed by the sites that maintain them, anyway), and as such they don't qualify as reliable sources. Moreover, you seem to be confused about the concept of original research. It really isn't that hard to grasp: the synthesis of ideas not based on verifiable sources. From here:
"Anyone can create a website or pay to have a book published, then claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason self-published media—including but not limited to books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs, Internet forum postings, and tweets—are largely not acceptable. [...] Self-published material may in some circumstances be acceptable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications."
Can you provide any such citations? Sebastian Garth (talk) 19:42, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Proudfoot, You try to move discussion away from the matter. We have to discuss merits of the article among professionals. Instead you try to question the citation. Citation shows that algorithm was found by someone, tested and left in software, not thrown away, because it provided improvement of exact the same nature that is claimed in the article. As I already said, you and Sebastian are pretending to follow Wikipedia policy to a letter when speaking about my article while looking to the side when I mention article about ROLZ algorithm. Because if you or Sebastian nominate ROLZ to deletion somebody will tell you both SHUT UP and you do as ordered. And ROLZ article is a classical case of violation of most Wikipedia policy. I will not nominate ROLZ to deletion or report it because I judge articles for its scientific values and from my point of view this article should be written but from yours it should be deleted. Go ahead and show your blind justice on ROLZ.
  • Than go ahead and do same thing to ROLZ and let me see how you will be ignored. ROLZ allegedly was introduced in WinRK. But it is proprietary software, disassembling is against the law. In the same way that in Polar Tree the algorithm was taken and implemented in BALZ compressor. One implementation and no explanation. Do you see similarities? What makes ROLZ worse that Polar Tree it is not even explained in the article. So, what we have: no reliable source, original research and no explanation. Look when the topic was introduced and look how long it is staying and neither you nor Sebastian suggest to remove it. Do not suggest me to nominate ROLZ for deletion because for me it is great and important algorithm but for you it is not because it is not cited in reliable sources not properly explained and is original research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.244.80.58 (talk) 16:54, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment C-processor (talk), unfortunately Wikipedia takes a conservative approach to new ideas. You'll either have to publish your work in a peer-reviewed medium or get an article written about it in a well-known publication first, before it will be accepted here. I suggest you devote your energy to these goals. Good luck! I hope your article will be here soon. — HowardBGolden (talk) 18:20, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • You and others keep repeating same things over and over ignoring obvious facts that I point out. Wikipedia publish new ideas, and ROLZ is one of them. You and others, participating in this discussion, do not make any decision. There is a MAN IN THE SHADOW that decides what stays and what goes away. He nominated article to deletion and not willing to identify himself.
  • Actually, it was I who nominated the article, and no, I don't decide "what stays and what goes". Anyone can nominate an article for deletion, revert edits, and add content to the encyclopedia. It is by consensus that we reach our decisions, together. Furthermore, the reason why I haven't looked into the ROLZ article, quite frankly, is because I don't feel like playing your little game of "tit for tat". Sebastian Garth (talk) 17:02, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have Ph.D. in Automatic Control and published many articles in peer-reviewed journals. I know how it all arranged. Articles are rejected independently on their merits unless its publication is arranged by a confidential phone call to editor-in-chief from a person he knows very well. The reason of rejection is avoiding responsibility by a reviewer, who can not possibly keep track on everything what is happening and afraid to pass plagiarized materials. Only articles sent from individuals with established reputation are published. My original article is published on my web site where I do not need to bow editor. Since it is already published it can't be republished somewhere else, journals do not accept copies. Wikipedia is different. It informs public, so it explains materials published somewhere else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by C-processor (talk • contribs) 03:39, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • While it is no doubt challenging to publish material for the first time, it is by no means impossible. You could, for example, contact an expert in the field (who has published papers WRT information theory or the like) and ask if they would be willing to co-write an article with you or some such (a professor at the university that you attended might be a good candidate for such a request). Moreover, if you haven't already submitted your article to a reputable publication, do so. Someone there may be interested enough to take a chance on a good idea (it may help if you point out to them that you have published in another field). Sebastian Garth (talk) 17:02, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • New independent reference Matt Mahoney web catalog. The site is long. To find reference you need to find expression Polar codes in it. The site holder Matt Mahoney is world expert in data compression. His program PAQ8 holds the world record in compression [1]. And we did not meet. I showed more independent usage than ROLZ.
  • Sebastian, stop discussing unimportant details. Speak on the context. I presented independent acknowledgment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by C-processor (talk • contribs) 23:37, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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I presented independent references that can be considered as peer-reviewed, because my referees provided unsolicited testing and links in a record time since first publication. In Large Text Compression Benchmark Matt Mahoney also explained the matter of the algorithm to his readers with his own words. Taking into consideration that Polar Tree or Polar Codes is only modification of Huffman and Shannon-Fano codes and not represent completely new research but rather modification I insist on keeping this article in Wikipedia. The name introduced by independent referees and assigned in accordance with other two codes named after inventors Shannon-Fano and Huffman. I suggest the individual that nominated article to deletion come out of the shadow and confront me in open scientific discussion. It is perfectly clear that those who participated in discussion so far did not nominate this article to deletion and their opinions will not be considered in final determination. Should this article happened to be deleted the brief history of the process along with independent references will be published on my web space [2].

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