Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Illustration workshop/Archive/Dec 2009
Stale
Lunar phases

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Lunar phase diagram; improve see below
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Moon phases diagram: correct, yet needs SVG-ing
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Lunar phase diagram; new version; first try
Article(s): Lunar phase
Request: The Lunar-Phase-Diagram.png image needs to altered; the phases of the moon need to be shown in a manner like the Moon phases.jpg /Phases_of_the_Moon.png image; eg in that the moons need to be colored white/black; depending on their phase. Also, arrows in a circle need to be added, similar like the Moon phases.jpg image
The Moon phases.jpg image itself needs svg'ing
Both images need to be maintained as they both have distinct characteristics; the Moon phases.jpg image eg also shows the formation of tides (the "blue" around the earth), and the Phases_of_the_Moon.png image also shows the timing. KVDP (talk) 09:22, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s):I am a bit confused about your description. Which two images do you refer to when you say 'Both images need to be maintained'? The two shown here (Lunar-Phase-Diagram.png and Moon phases.jpg)? -->yes these two need to be kept in the database; as in "not deleted from database" (however do change them; see below)
And why do you mention the tides in The Moon phases.jpg (not shown here). -->sorry bout this, made another image with tides aswell, quite similar to this one. Offcourse in these images no tides are indicated. However, it still has other charisteristics as the timing is indicated. If I understood correctly, this picture should not be changed but used as a source for the moons at the different stages. Is that correct?! -->No; the picture does need to be changed, but 2 (somewhat identical images) need to come in place under the same name. Perhaps that your first try may be improved and then used to overwrite the first file. The other file can be overwritten with an improved version of that image. Reason for this is that I don't like too many (similar) files in the wikimedia commons; this leads to having a quantity of poorer quality images being used/linked to wikipedia.
On a general note, I would suggest to create a high-res png (or jpg) instead of a svg. Both the earth and the moon pictures are not very suitable for svging without loosing too much detail. -->no arguments here
SPLETTE :] How's my driving? 19:16, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
- Okay, I gave it a try. The rotating arrows are still missing. Did I get it right? What needs to be changed?
-->Aldough I didn't mention it at first, I think it's best to swap the yellow arrows with simply the sun; place it at the left; also, change the moons, as noted before they have to be white/black; different with every phase SPLETTE :] How's my driving? 01:25, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
- Ack, the new diagram and drawing are very confusing and misleading. You are trying to accomplish two different things with the new diagram at once (which cannot both be done simultaneously) - showing what the phases look like from the earth (instead of from an outside vantage point like the original), and showing the phases relation to the earth and sun. This needs to be divided into two separate diagrams - one showing what all the phases look like from the earth (and thus not including the earth in the diagram), and one showing the phases, the earth, and the sun as actually viewed from a distant vantage point (not earth). The 2nd diagram would be similar to File:Lunar-Phase-Diagram.png. Kaldari (talk) 19:11, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
File:Third party cookie.svg doesn't render in Firefox, server version not legible

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Third party HTTP cookies
Article(s): HTTP cookie
Request: The server-rendered version of this image is rather too small to read, and some of the text at the bottom is cut off. Clicking through to the SVG version to see a larger version (e.g., at this URL) fails to render in Firefox 3.0.15 on Ubuntu 9.04 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.15) Gecko/2009102815 Ubuntu/9.04 (jaunty) Firefox/3.0.15):
The error Firefox gives is:
- XML Parsing Error: prefix not bound to a namespace
- Location: /media/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Third_party_cookie.svg
- Line Number 16, Column 1:
<image xlink:href="data:image/jpg;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAvgAAAJZCAIAAABTANb/AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAADh0 ^
I haven't looked into what the SVG format problem might be. It would be nice if the SVG were rendered compatible with Firefox, and/or the server-rendered version were legible. -- JTN (talk) 17:02, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s):
Request taken by Certes.
New version uploaded. 99% of the SVG is embedded JPGs which use xlink without defining it. I've added the standard definition
xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink"
That works on Firefox 3.5.5 on Windows XP. Can you check it with another renderer (such as Firefox 3.0.15 on Ubuntu) please? The text looks ok in Firefox; the cropping appears to be a separate server rendering problem which I've not addressed. Certes (talk) 23:14, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Coat of Arms of Victoria, BC

Article(s): Victoria, BC
Request: I know it is fairuse, but can someone make a vector version of this? The quality is atrocious, and I think we'd benefit from a vector version. You can use this image for a ref, too. Thank you so much in advance. Connormah (talk) 03:59, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- Can someone at least look at this? Connormah (talk) 18:19, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
- This would be very difficult to do, it's not simple lines or shapes, it's basically a painting. There are some people at Commons that have done COA's of this caliber before but off top of my head I can't remember, it was a recent FP nomination I think. Removed the stale btw. — raeky (talk | edits) 15:43, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Haha, I've pounded him with too many requests already! :P Connormah (talk) 23:43, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- This would be very difficult to do, it's not simple lines or shapes, it's basically a painting. There are some people at Commons that have done COA's of this caliber before but off top of my head I can't remember, it was a recent FP nomination I think. Removed the stale btw. — raeky (talk | edits) 15:43, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s):

Article(s): Kanhopatra
Request: I could find any free image to illustrate Kanhopatra, One online Kanhopatra picture. [1] (artist's impression), I also located 2 non-free Kanhopatra images in a children's book about Varkari saints. They are outline drawings. I can not upload them here as they are non-free, am I right? I can mail the pictures to anyone who is willing to accept the request. Thus, can someone please create images of Kanhopatra, based on the book or online images? Thanks a lot. --Redtigerxyz Talk 11:20, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s):
Request taken by Nvineeth.: will do this. --Nvineeth (talk) 10:05, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
- Just checking on progress, it's been a while? Still working on it? — raeky (talk | edits) 15:40, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Vectorize Request

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SVG
Article(s): Operation Crossroads
Request: This article is nominated for a FA, and would benifit from SVG's for these images. — raeky (talk | edits) 15:17, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
- Still waiting. — raeky (talk | edits) 15:43, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s):
Extermination of bison to 1889

Article(s): American Bison, Plains Indians, William Temple Hornaday, Eastern savannas of the United States
Request: Needs turned into a SVG and maybe color changes to make the light color numbers/dates easier to see. — raeky (talk | edits) 15:36, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s): I think we should make a separate map of the same thing for SVG. I don't think the topographical map lends itself overly well to SVG but we could use a stanrd North America map and overlate the buffalo range on it. gren グレン 17:12, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Parasite Lifecycles

Article(s): Dracunculiasis, Wuchereria bancrofti, Pinworm, Hookworm
Request: Needs turned into a SVG... — raeky (talk | edits) 04:21, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
- Unstale — raeky (talk | edits) 06:25, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s):
Flag of Denton County

Article(s): Denton County, Denton, Texas
Request: Convert to SVG MahangaTalk 18:46, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s):
Why?-Andrew c [talk] 01:48, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not sure. I'm no graphics person. I was told at WP:FAC to request it here. MahangaTalk 03:51, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
- I see. Generally, since Wikipedia is the "free" encyclopedia, and because non-free content can only be used in very limited areas, not a lot of effort is put into improving non-free content (especially if the task is time consuming or difficult, which some SVG conversions can be). Often, it is better to simply try to find a better official image. This is for two reasons, first, it makes sure that the organization in question is being 100% represented the way they want to (often with SVG conversions, we can't be 100% identical, and we don't want to use a color, or font, or shape that the image creator never intended). The second reason is it is a lot easier on us (less work, obviously ;). That said, you may still find a graphist willing to fulfill this request. Personally, I wouldn't fail a FAC based solely on the quality/availability of non-free content (and it seems like the individual who made the remark has stricken the oppose). Hope this explains why I asked why. Handling non-free content, IMO, should have a good rational attached to it. -Andrew c [talk] 16:36, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
- I was the one who made the request. Considering we are talking about an FA here, I think we should have high-quality images as well as text and research. Also, Wikipedia's image policy suggests that logos be converted to SVG. Awadewit (talk) 15:40, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
- I do agree with the request made. The image is of a poor quality, and I think we would benefit from a vector version. Connormah (talk) 22:41, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
- But there isn't enough information present to make an SVG. What are those dots in the white circular bands? Stars? Maybe so, but are they pointing up, or down, or are they individually radially arranged? What about the even smaller dots surrounding the big central star? What are those? How many different color stars are on the flag? We cannot accurately recreate this flag because we don't have enough information to go on. Does anyone have any other pictures of this flag to help us out, or a written description or anything? Given the detail of this photo, any SVG made from it would be guesswork at best. Sorry. We can't work magic, or in this case, resolve detail out of blurry dots. (BTW, I agree completely that the image is in poor quality, and we could benefit from a vector version. But perhaps we should be seeking out official sources for this image, or at least higher quality images to start). -Andrew c [talk] 01:35, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
- Exactly. I don't think anyone would want to go through the headache process of re-drawing the whole image from the current given source. Connormah (talk) 22:46, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
- But there isn't enough information present to make an SVG. What are those dots in the white circular bands? Stars? Maybe so, but are they pointing up, or down, or are they individually radially arranged? What about the even smaller dots surrounding the big central star? What are those? How many different color stars are on the flag? We cannot accurately recreate this flag because we don't have enough information to go on. Does anyone have any other pictures of this flag to help us out, or a written description or anything? Given the detail of this photo, any SVG made from it would be guesswork at best. Sorry. We can't work magic, or in this case, resolve detail out of blurry dots. (BTW, I agree completely that the image is in poor quality, and we could benefit from a vector version. But perhaps we should be seeking out official sources for this image, or at least higher quality images to start). -Andrew c [talk] 01:35, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
- I do agree with the request made. The image is of a poor quality, and I think we would benefit from a vector version. Connormah (talk) 22:41, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
- I was the one who made the request. Considering we are talking about an FA here, I think we should have high-quality images as well as text and research. Also, Wikipedia's image policy suggests that logos be converted to SVG. Awadewit (talk) 15:40, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
- I see. Generally, since Wikipedia is the "free" encyclopedia, and because non-free content can only be used in very limited areas, not a lot of effort is put into improving non-free content (especially if the task is time consuming or difficult, which some SVG conversions can be). Often, it is better to simply try to find a better official image. This is for two reasons, first, it makes sure that the organization in question is being 100% represented the way they want to (often with SVG conversions, we can't be 100% identical, and we don't want to use a color, or font, or shape that the image creator never intended). The second reason is it is a lot easier on us (less work, obviously ;). That said, you may still find a graphist willing to fulfill this request. Personally, I wouldn't fail a FAC based solely on the quality/availability of non-free content (and it seems like the individual who made the remark has stricken the oppose). Hope this explains why I asked why. Handling non-free content, IMO, should have a good rational attached to it. -Andrew c [talk] 16:36, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
READ Foundation logo

Article(s): Reading Excellence and Discovery Foundation
Request: Convert to a vector graphic. –blurpeace (talk) 03:06, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s):
- Why? Non-free content really isn't the focus or mission of Wikipedia, and it's almost always better to use content sourced from an official source, as opposed to sloppy, reconstructed traces. We normally need a good rationale for non-free work. -Andrew c [talk] 16:36, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Resolved
The Prodigy

For use in: Wikipedia:Wikiproject The Prodigy, {{The Prodigy Project}}
Request: Any chance someone could make an svg of the stylised text in this banner? PC78 (talk) 19:30, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s): --Justass (talk) 20:19, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
- Marvelous, thanks! PC78 (talk) 20:48, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Help!

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Original
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MissMJ's cleaned up version
Article(s): Brachial plexus
Request: Help! I got fed up at always requesting vector versions, so I tried to convert one of the brachial plexus, which really needed doing. Anyway I've just uploaded the shiny new vector version to the commons, but it isn't displaying 100% as I intended. Would it be possible for you to have a look at what I'm doing wrong? Thanks very much in advance, a very humble Captain n00dle T/C 01:28, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
- p.s. I have tagged it with {{CleanSVG}} but I need to know what I've done wrong for future reference!
Gah! I just realised I missed out some labels too! :-/ Captain n00dle T/C 01:39, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s):
- The fonts are not web-safe. Use Verdana for the labels, and you can use Times for the title. ZooFari 01:46, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the quick reply, I just uploaded a new version without inkscape formatting but that didn't help, I shall now try changing the fonts. Do you know why the lines could be missing? Thanks, Captain n00dle T/C 01:56, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not sure why. Change the opacity up to 100 percent for the red lines (and any other lines) and remove the slight blur from some of the lines. I don't think this will solve the issue though, but you can also try removing the round caps. Let me know if that's a solution. ZooFari 02:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
- Ta-dar! I think that it is working now, one of the lines is thinner, dispite reporting the same size in inkscape though (Suprascapular nerve) but thanks :-) Captain n00dle T/C 02:13, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not sure why. Change the opacity up to 100 percent for the red lines (and any other lines) and remove the slight blur from some of the lines. I don't think this will solve the issue though, but you can also try removing the round caps. Let me know if that's a solution. ZooFari 02:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the quick reply, I just uploaded a new version without inkscape formatting but that didn't help, I shall now try changing the fonts. Do you know why the lines could be missing? Thanks, Captain n00dle T/C 01:56, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Done Live tracing the original image was probably not the best way to go; it created a giant file with unnecessary detail, which kind of defeats the purpose of the SVG. I re-drew the diagram and made the labels smaller for a cleaner look; I also changed the fonts on the labels to "serif" and "sans-serif" for greatest compatibility. The file is now down to 26KB. I'm marking this as resolved. MissMJ (talk) 00:29, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
trim away edging

Article(s): various
Request: trim away edging... Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 18:12, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Graphist opinion: Trimmed the edges, and also slightly increased contrast on the second photo. Please check and revert if not acceptable. Indrek (talk) 01:21, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
- Splendid, thank you! Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 14:05, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Trading card game

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Here's an updated version of my rough and ready logo
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It's based on this Tango, and on a familiar but non-free grey sphere
Article(s): None but it's used in Wikipedia:Trading card game and Wikipedia:Trading card game/Userbox
Request: I created Trading card game.svg for use at 150px on the Trading card game project and at 40px in its userbox. I have been asked to "improve the cards": any suggestions? The grey circle is meant as a vague reminder of the Wikipedia logo, as my legal skills aren't up to reconciling the Foundation's copyright and trademark protection with Tango's CC-by-SA licence. Certes (talk) 01:21, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s):
- How about a puzzle piece instead of the circle? E.g. File:Puzzle.svg or similar. Makes a strong Wiki link without using copyrighted logos. Also using a more stylised W (such as File:Wikipedia-W-bold-in-square-Clean.svg would also make the link clearer. Like the idea though. /129.215.149.99 (talk) 11:09, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, that's the sort of idea I was looking for. Those graphics look much better on the cards. (I did attempt to use Traditional Arabic font for my original W but the SVGR renderer substituted something more mainstream.)
Done Certes (talk) 22:52, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, that's the sort of idea I was looking for. Those graphics look much better on the cards. (I did attempt to use Traditional Arabic font for my original W but the SVGR renderer substituted something more mainstream.)