Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jacket matrix

Jacket matrix

I can find maybe 2 papers on Google scholar discussing jacket matrices that don't have M.H. Lee (the original article creator) as an author or co-author. Therefore, I'm not convinced this is a notable topic, even in a fairly limited academic circle.

Was PRODded, but removed by anon IP. Oli Filth^{(talk|contribs)} 22:33, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. -- I'^mperator 22:44, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:OR, WP:COI. The article is not based on WP:IS. Algébrico (talk) 00:44, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep as per mistaken nomination. Article obviously passes core policies WP:V and WP:SOURCES. It also easily passes guidelines WP:N as "Jacket matrix" return 100 hits on Google Scholar. Peer reviewed sources are Wikipedia's gold standard, I refer nominee to WP:N for details. The delete endorser's COI accusations and reference to WP:IS (which merely is an essay!) are misconceived; the reference to WP:OR is ludicrous. Yes, M.H.Lee (who in all likelihood is the article's creator) has published (and co-published!) buckets of articles on this specialist topic, it has NOTHING to do with WP:COI, please re-read COI, and perhaps consult the essay WP:SCOIC. Article currently only has one reference, simply because nominee recently deleted all the others [1], an action not justified or reasoned from criteria of relevance to the article, but from purely technical reasons, as the sources "were not specifically cited in the article. I believe the nomination is in good faith, but nominee shows a limited grasp of Wikipedia's deletion policy. Please close as speedy keep. Power.corrupts (talk) 07:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Some responses from nom:
  - I'm not contesting WP:V and WP:RS.
  - Yes, I'm aware there are 100 hits on Google Scholar. But have you noticed that about 98% of them are all by M.H. Lee, the inventor/creator of the concept of jacket matrices? Notability requires widespread, independent coverage; I strongly believe this is not present, hence the nom. In essence, does anyone else in the world know or care about jacket matrices?
  - Please don't put words in my mouth; I haven't mentioned (or implied) a COI interest, nor have I mentioned WP:OR!
  - I culled the reference list because it seemed purely to be "promotional" (in a limited sense of the word); they conferred no direct support to the article. A list of 20 papers is not automatically a list of references.
  - Disagreeing with the notability etc. doesn't imply I "don't understand the nomination process", nor does it warrant a speedy keep on procedural grounds!
- Oli Filth^{(talk|contribs)} 08:26, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Absolutely right, I shouldn't have mixed your and the endorser's comments, I've revised text accordingly. Adding relevant peer reviewed references is not WP:ADVERT. I would still say, that your reason for deletion based on notability concerns is very, very weak. Power.corrupts (talk) 09:28, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - What I would really like to see (to convince me that this is a worthwhile article) is some indication that someone else (preferably plural!) is actually using this maths, i.e. a truly independent, in-depth discussion of jacket matrices, as opposed to an endless list of articles all by the same guy. On the subject of references again: at the moment, the article essentially consists of a single factual statement (the definition). At most, this requires citing a single judiciously-chosen paper (not ~20, that helps no one!). On top of that, the reference list should include some independent coverage to demonstrate notability. Oli Filth^{(talk|contribs)} 12:17, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - I understand that, but it is a home-made inclusion criteria. See Wikipedia:NOTTRUTH. I am definitely no subject matter expert, and for me notability is certainly implied, if Lee can get loads and loads of articles pubished in peer reviewed journals on the subject. I have also noted that he is co-author on many, so somebody must find this useful for some purpose. I cannot enter a subject matter discussion, due to lack of knowledge, but I don't have to, all that is needed is Wikipedia:Verifiability.
        Anyone can get anything published in a peer-reviewed journal, so long as the content is valid and the paper is coherent; that doesn't imply anything about notability. What matters is whether those papers have been widely used, i.e. cited. Just as an analogy, see the requirements for academic notability at WP:PROF (I realise it's not quite the same, but it's close). It states that an academic's work must be "highly cited", implying that being published is not enough. Incidentally, I'm not a subject expert either! Oli Filth^{(talk|contribs)} 13:38, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment does not pass notability: "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article." I believe that it's, in some way, COI, because Leejacket (talk · contribs · count)'s only contributions are about his little science "brick" and basically he's the only source. See also: User:Leejacket. I don't want to use WP:ADHOM, but the user could write about other math topics (and I see that he's very well qualified) instead of writing about his little science "brick" (contribution). Anyway, back to notability, if the topic does not have 'reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject, I don't see why we should keep the article. IHMO, it isn't notable per lack of independent sources (WP:IS), and the possible COI (not that the article has COI, but because the creator of "Jacket Matrix" is the probably the creator of the article and his only contributions here are basically this article). If there were other important authors (plural, because independent sources are more than one) which are independent of the author (which means that they have never written an article together with Mr. Lee about the subject), I would not be opposed to keep. Algébrico (talk) 13:54, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or merge to Hadamard matrix per WP:N since it is not notable enough for "a stand-alone article" (because there are not enough independent reliable souces) and because "The jacket matrix is a generalization of the Hadamard matrix." Algébrico (talk) 16:07, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]