Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Illustration workshop/Archive

This is the archive of past requests to the Graphic Lab. New requests can be submitted here.
Pages in archive include: December 2006, January 2007, February 2007, March 2007.

Translation from french of a diagram

Original
English captions
French captions
Numeric captions

Request: Here is a diagram that could be translated into english. --Enr-v 15:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bombe atomique = nuclear weapon
Munition ou obus = Munition or shell
Uranium surenrichi Ã 95% = Highly enriched uranium (HEU)
Uranium appauvri = depleted uranium
Combustible MOX = MOX fuel
Plutonium = Plutonium
DÃ©chets ultimes = nuclear waste
Uranium de retraitement = Reprocessed uranium
SÃ©paration, retraitement = Nuclear reprocessing
Combustible non retraitÃ© = not reprocessed nuclear fuels
Combustible irradiÃ© = spent nuclear reactor fuels
Centrales nuclÃ©aires = Nuclear power station
Uranium enrichi Ã 3% = Low-enriched uranium (LEU)
Fabrication de combustible = uranium enrichment
Mines d'uranium = uranium mining

Graphist opinion:

I volunteer to create an SVG version of this diagram for more translatability. ChaosNil 21:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

it can help if you use this image : Image:SchÃ©maDechetsNucleaires en.svg --Enr-v 22:14, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Use numbers instead of name tags for the SVG then. That way everyone can use the same image, and the description would go with the picture whenever necessary. — Kieff | Talk 23:07, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, these aremy from-scratch renditions. ChaosNil 02:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

good work. but there is a mistake on the arrow that goes to Highly Enriched Uranium (HEU not HRU :-( because it should come from the "uranium enrichment" circle.--Enr-v 20:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I misinterpreted the original diagram. I'll fix it tonight. And the caption for HEU. ChaosNil 22:21, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

While I'm at it I'll do the diagrams from Nuclear_fuel_cycle ChaosNil 01:03, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed the diagrams on commons. ChaosNil 03:18, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note that depleted is misspelled on the English one. And I'm confused as to 1. what the colors correspond to, and 2. what the dashed/solid lines correspond to. --Fastfission 04:26, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dang. Fixed spelling. As for the colours I presume they are vaguely how 'radioactive' or something. My rendition doesn't carry this out completely consistantly. If its important I can change that of course. I don't know what the broken lines mean. ChaosNil 04:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

broken lines mean "possible" : it is possible, but not obligat for industrials to enrich uranium 95%, whereas it is a prerequisite to produce depleted uranium with enriched uranium. it is also not obligate to reprocess used nuclear fuel.

remark : the french image was beautiful, and the new one is not very beautiful. it is a pitty to give a free licence to do such a work.--86.202.139.40 (Enr-v) 21:14, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The first part of your post was fine, but the second part does not qualify as the world's most constructive remark. If you can draw something better, go ahead and do it. If you can't then don't post such comments. Valentinian ^{T / C} 22:13, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i mean that the original image look better than the new one : why not simply translate in english the original image? i think it would be less work for a better result. i can try to do it by myself but i'm not very experienced with photoshop. Thank you anyway for the work you've done.--Enr-v 18:49, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I like the newer diagram better myself. It's much more obvious as to where to start and is more clean and crisp. Also, you can't make .svg's in Photoshop as far as I know.âKrasniy^t/_c 00:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

new or old diagramm : it's a matter of taste. as far as i'm concerned, i like better the older than the newer. you are right about photoshop, but i can't manage with Inkscape either.--Enr-v 11:28, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Three Mile Island Schematic

Original
first version, no labels
version with labels, deriv of first version

Article(s): Three Mile Island accident

Request: From Category:Images which should be in SVG format.âNMajdan•talk•EditorReview 15:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Agreed this could use an SVG conversion (and also make one without English labels to upload to the commons for multilingual use). I'll work on this.-Andrew c 21:12, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I uploaded a version with no labels. However, it didn't show up in the thumbnail (you can download the file and it looks fine on its own). Any ideas what I did wrong? Does wikipedia not render gradients properly? I've had this happen before when I first tried to imbed fonts in an Illustrator SVG, but this image was done in Inkscape. Hmm... feel free to add labels and/or fix the thumbnail issue. I'll try and work on it more tomorrow.-Andrew c 03:42, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I figured it out, forgot to delete the unused layers.-Andrew c 13:53, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've labeled the diagram, and substituted {{{vva}}} for {{{SVG}}}. Stannered 22:16, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DNA orbit animated small.gif

Original

Articles: Found in the DNA article.

Request: This animated gif is for a full (360 degree) orbit around a DNA molecule, however it repeatedly fails to load fully and only does a partial orbit. Is anyone able to optimize/fix it so it loads more reliably.

There are also two similar images, Image:A-DNA orbit animated small.gif and Image:Z-DNA orbit animated small.gif, which could use the same treatment. - Zephyris _Talk 10:52, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

Running it through the gif optimizer in gimp makes it all of 15768 bytes smaller (original file size: 675158). Not a big improvement, so thats the extent of my skills in this area. :) Maybe somebody who knows more about gif animations can make it actually appreciably smaller. Reducing it to 64 colours makes it 480631 bytes, but I don't know if the loss of quality is wanted. ChaosNil 18:19, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Any further loss of quality is undesireable - its hard to make the structure of DNA clearer with a lower colour depth. At least there's no error in the gif itself, it seems to be a plain file size issue. - Zephyris _Talk 11:56, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Languages of Europe

Blank map of Europe (png)
Blank map of Europe (svg)
Another blank SVG
Low resolution first attempt by Time3000
New SVG (work in progress)
New SVG (as of 27th Dec. 2006, 1230 UTC) with added namespace info
Another attempt (rendering problems)
png conversion of the previous one

Articles:

Request: --Missmarple 15:53, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Request from the Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Maps. -- - lyhana8 (Talk) 00:04, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly is the request here? âLarry V (talk | contribs) 21:30, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't know, some users just put that here and believe that we know everything. Are we strong like that ? ;] Yug (talk) 22:34, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Probably vectorisation and a better visual aspect. Keep in mind that SVGs are multilingual. Click that link for instructions on how to make them that way :) --Zantastik talk 01:45, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize for not writing my request, but I'm not very good with the terminology... I think this should be converted to SVG and something should also be done with all the text surrounding the image because it certainly doesn't belong there. Regards, --Missmarple 08:31, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to work on this, but I couldn't find an already existing SVG image of a map of Europe with political boundaries. So I started working on that, but before I get too far, I wanted to see if anyone knew of such a map that already existed? --Andrew c 17:46, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a blank map of Europe. I'm to tired to work on this today, but I might have a look at it tomorrow.

/ Mats Halldin (talk) 18:41, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the map, I also uploaded what I have so far. I feel the detail on my version is superior, but it may be much harder to edit (well, using illustrator's live paint feature, its easy to fill in color, but I'm not sure how well it will work in Inkscape). I'll keep plugging away on this then.--Andrew c 15:36, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've created a map based on the first svg template, but the detail is very low, and there are no 'combined language' areas as on the original. I've tried to base the colours roughly on the jpeg, but they're not entirely accurate. It also needs some labels, but I don't have time to do that now. Time3000 16:36, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, I didn't notice until now but Image:BlankMap-Europe.svg is pretty messed up, I'd try using the other blank svg as a base instead. Other than the problems in the base map and needing labels added it looks good. Kmusser 17:43, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, there seem to be a lot of very mediocre SVG maps out there. Wikipedia:Blank maps recommends Image:BlankMap-World6.svg which contains more detail... you'll have to remove all the non-europe stuff, but it still has more detail. --Interiot 18:17, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Low res map of Europe can not be used. Languages don't stop at borders. Belgium, e.g. is completely wrong: it is now shown as french, while 65% of it's inhabitants speak dutch (I for one). This is going to take a lot more work than just colouring a high res European countries' map... Lycaon 06:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've now spent a few days producing an acceptable map of Europe for the purpose of creating this lingvistic map. I'm tracing a big Demis map of Europe and I think I will need a few more days before I'm done with it. I'm presenting my work this far above just to let you know that someone is actually working on this request. I will be uploading the finished version when I'm done with it. So stay tuned.
/ Mats Halldin (talk) 16:58, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This map shows up as a blank image on Commons. The same problem disapeared after a few hours when I created Image:Map Tamana en.svg above. To view the SVG meanwhile you could preview it as a thumbnail. As such SVGs don't seem to work in 250px, of some obscure reason.
/ Mats Halldin (talk) 17:30, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot view this in Firefox 2.0.0.1 as an image because of This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below. I can view the code though. I haven't tried to open it with inkscape.--Andrew c 20:42, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is fine! It opens in Inkscape and looks very promising, with a high enough resolution. Good job Lycaon 21:51, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It won't display in firefox because it doesn't have an xmlns attribute in the svg declaration... I'll upload a 'fixed' version to check if this is the problam with the wiki rendering as well. Time3000 12:30, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that adding the xmlns attr. does make it work in firefox, and with the wiki preview. Looking at [1], it seems that this is actually required by the SVG specification, so it's the software being used to create the svg that's at fault - though it's not particularly hard to add in the missing info by hand. Just for camparison, here are the first few lines of the two files:

Original version

  <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
  <!DOCTYPE svg PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD SVG 20000303 Stylable//EN"   "http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/03/WD-SVG-20000303/DTD/svg-20000303-stylable.dtd" [
  <!ENTITY st0 "fill:#000000;stroke:none;">
  <!ENTITY st1 "fill:none;stroke:#000000;">
  <!ENTITY st2 "fill-rule:nonzero;clip-rule:nonzero;fill:none;stroke:#000000;stroke-miterlimit:4;">
  ]>
  <svg  width="5246.135pt" height="3831.265pt" viewBox="0 0 5246.135 3831.265" xml:space="preserve">

'Fixed' version

  <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
  <!DOCTYPE svg PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD SVG 20000303 Stylable//EN"   "http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/03/WD-SVG-20000303/DTD/svg-20000303-stylable.dtd" [
  <!ENTITY st0 "fill:#000000;stroke:none;">
  <!ENTITY st1 "fill:none;stroke:#000000;">
  <!ENTITY st2 "fill-rule:nonzero;clip-rule:nonzero;fill:none;stroke:#000000;stroke-miterlimit:4;">
  ]>
  <svg  width="5246.135pt" height="3831.265pt" viewBox="0 0 5246.135 3831.265" xml:space="preserve" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg">

Time3000 12:55, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I've updated the SVG file with some more coasts and the xmlns tag. The file renders fine on Commons now and seem to work as a 250px thumb as well, so thanks for the tip. I'll be working with Scandinavia now. So if you don't hear from me during a few days, don't think I'm dead, I'm probably just having nightmares about Norway.

/ Mats Halldin (talk) 18:00, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I did another version from Image:Europe continents.svg. I used that map because in other maps the borders of the pieces of land are not continous, and that difficults to use the "fill" attribute of the objects. Labels are still missing, I will add them later. At the moment I am more worried beause there are some zones that (bilingual regions) where I filled the objects with patterns, and they are not visible in the rendered images :_( Chabacano 13:25, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Labels added. There are problems with the png->svg converter. Thus, as a temporal solution I have uploaded a png version with a width of 2000px. (here)Chabacano 16:34, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Worm anatomy

Article(s): Earthworm

Request: Conversion to SVG could make this into a highly effective, crisp diagram. Some help might be necessary from a knowledgeable Wikipedian (such as User:TheAlphaWolf, User:Quercusrobur and User:WormRunner) Circeus 18:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

This looks like a straight-forward but fun project. If nobody has started it by this weekend I'll probably take a stab at it. Are there colouration preferences for the various parts of the anatomy? ChaosNil 23:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Eh nevermind, maybe somebody else will do it. ChaosNil 18:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That one is for me. Give me some time. Two related images already exist btw... Lycaon 22:23, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oligochaeta anatomy
Polychaeta anatomy

Chemical structures

for images, please see the sub-page

Article(s): Various

Request: Don't hate me. Above are many simple chemical structures that would be nice to have as an SVG. They are from Category:Images which should be in SVG format. There are more in that category and Category:Chemical structures. This is a start as there are many more where this came from and when these are done, I'll try to make another list.âNMajdan•talk•EditorReview 22:39, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: I'll start on some of these, but its a big job, so fell free to pitch in if you have the time. Maybe we should move these to a separate page, so it doesn't clog up the request page? -YK Times 03:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to move them to a subpage; I'll feel less guilt about adding more. I've tried doing these myself as they are simple enough and I thought they'd be a good training tool. But I tried using Inkscape and got a weird result. I tried the first one above and it looked fine in Inkscape but when I upload it it looks like [2]. If you have any suggestions, please leave them on my talk page.âNMajdan•talk•EditorReview 13:41, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I moved them to a subpage, so that it clears up this request page a bit, and so that it doesn't take so long to load. -YK Times 17:25, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It seems as though we should create some sort of library of shapes so that we can keep these consistent. ChaosNil 05:38, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose there are lots of svg's under commons:Category:Chemical compounds that you could start from. But it's probably easier to use a program that generates these. Eg. BKChem is a free one that exports svg. --Interiot 14:34, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I notice that there are SMILES data (giving the structure of the molecule) in virtually every article. It should be possible to write a program to automatically extract the SMILES string and output an SVG... Does anyone know what WP policy is on bot-type programs that access pages but do not do any actual editing? It would probably be easier just to generate the SVGs locally and upload manually, I hope (and assuming it goes fairly slowly...). I'll start working on something of that sort, probably with MolConverter ([3]) to do the actual conversions. Time3000 16:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure about policy, but a good analogy to look at is your browser: it accesses pages but does not do any actual editing. I imagine any tool would be fine, so long as the output has an acceptable format and license, without annoying stuff like "This page exported by an academic version of XXX", etc. —davidh.oz.au 04:58, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It might be best to coordinate with the editors at Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry (particularly Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry/Structure drawing workgroup), Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemicals and Wikipedia:WikiProject Pharmacology. There have been past discussions about .png vs .svg images for chemical structures, including discussions about which software produces the best results. I would recommend against any automated structure drawing based on SMILES data for anything but the most simple chemical compounds because there are many different ways to represent a single compound, with the best being a chemist's subjective preference. Also, there are literally thousands of chemical images in .png format, so it might be best to start with images on the most popular articles, rather than just the ones tagged for conversion to .svg so far.--Ed (Edgar181) 21:33, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like a plan. Since there is a category for these structures, would anybody be opposed if I removed them all from the Move to Commons category and Convert to SVG category? They alone are creating a substantial backlog in both cats and removing all of them would help tremendously. I know that as these are converted to SVG they will be moved to the Commons so both issues will be resolved.âNMajdan•talk 21:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Languages of Guatemala

Article(s): Mayan languages, Guatemala

Request: The image is not currently in FAC Mayan languages because there is uncertainty as to its copyright status. making a new .svg version with a better color key would solve that. Circeus 21:46, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: I gave it a try. I could not read some of the labels, but now should be easy to add/correct them. Chabacano 19:44, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking that it would be clearer with a labelled color chart on the sides instead of having the labels inside the map.Circeus 20:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And there's a spot missing near the edge of the lake on the right, which corresponds to the rightmost label ("Garuna" or something like that).Circeus 20:54, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

almost all of the language names are completely incorrect in the image to the left.Â·MaunusÂ· Â·ÆÂ· 21:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It would be useful to know the correct names to do this map... Chabacano 08:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They all appear in the articles on mayan languages and languages of Mesoamerica and Guatemala Â·MaunusÂ· Â·ÆÂ· 09:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please look at the rightmost image (added), above, to correct most of the names - too many errors to list here, though "Nqxn" for Mopan really takes the cake. That other image is actually superior for Mayan Languages for several reasons (extends beyond Guatemala, doesn't include the two non-mayan languages, gives an idea of speaker populations and of language branches). I agree that the center image here would be useful for Guatemala, better geographic precision, but it might be nice to base the language colors here on variations of the colors in the rightmost Mayan Languages image. Missing entirely for the center image here are the labels Q'eqchi (the large upper green patch), Garifuna (a non-mayan Yoruba/Arawak language, a very small coastal strip extending west and then north from where the river hits the Atlantic coast near the (north)east concave corner. Does NOT extend west again along the Belize border to the main concave corner. The original, leftmost map puts it incorrectly east of the rivermouth.) and Q'anjob'al (the blue just west of Q'eqchi.). --Homunq 12:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, thanks. This new image is much easier to decipher than the previous bunch of pixels. I fixed some things (or at least I hope that). For doing that re-coloration based on the image in the rightmost I need to know where Poqomchi is (now has not assigned zone), and which color should have "Papti" (or "Popti", "Papli" or whatever name it has). Chabacano 14:28, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

it's PoptÃ or alternatively Jakaltek Â·MaunusÂ· Â·ÆÂ· 15:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Metabolic pathways.png

File:Metabolic pathways small.png

Article(s): Metabolism

Request: Could somebody convert this to SVG format please? Also, if there is any way to reduce the file size, that would be great as well. The high-resolution version is here. Thanks. TimVickers 20:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

I've reduced the dimensions of the file to have their original values (which I don't think loses much) and converted it to an indexed colour PNG which gets the filesize down to 254KB from 1.17MB. I've also created a smaller but completely lossless version of the original (1.17MB to 975KB) by using PNG filters, and I've overwritten the original with the smaller version. I hope that helps with the filesize issue. Time3000 18:35, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thank you very much. TimVickers 22:24, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Skeletal muscle

Article(s): Muscle

Request: Vectorization and general tidying! it needs it..... - Zephyris _Talk 16:12, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

CoA of Grand Duchy of Finland

Better than 2nd, except has errors

Better than 2nd, except has errors
Should not have eagle and has errors
On the bottom right the proper can be seen

On the bottom right the proper can be seen

Article(s): Grand Duchy of Finland

Request: Hard one I belive, but if someone is interested in herardly... The current CoA in the article is wrong as it has the Russian eagle and looks bad, as drawn with Paint.. The first image I attached is what it should be, too bad the image is very bad quality. Also, it has errors, see the 3rd image the big CoA of the Russian Empire, it's on the bottom right. It should be the correct one.

We already had a CoA based on the 1973 CoA of Finland: Image:GD Finland coa.png but it obviously looks wrong when compared to the one in the Russian Empire's large CoA Image:Russian Empire's Big Coat of Arms.jpg Pudeo (Talk) 13:28, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edit: Here is quite high reso image of the CoA, only drawn with one color though. But it shows the shapes very well..

Graphist opinion:

Seal of Edward the Confessor

Article(s): Edward the Confessor

Request: Could you please clean the background on this? There was some print showing through from the back of the page. Thanks. Mike Christie (talk) 22:17, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

I've uploaded a new version (replacing the old one) with a clean white background, hope that's suitable. --Canley 16:00, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's perfect! Thanks for the quick response; much appreciated. Mike Christie (talk) 16:05, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Emancipation of European Jews map

Image:EmancofJews.gif - Fair use so linked instead of shown.

SVG version by Sbrools

Article(s): Jewish Emancipation

Basicaly we should convert this unfree GIF map to a free licensed SVG one. Doesn't have to be exactly the same, so long as the result give the same info. --Sherool (talk) 18:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

I created an SVG version, but it doesn't seem to be working correctly. It doesn't load on my browser when I view the image page, it only loads when I click the link. You can view it here. --Sbrools ^{(talk . contribs)} 02:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm yeah, looks like the server side renderer MediaWiki users doesn't like the image for some reason. Opera renders the raw SVG ok (looks good), but no thumbnail... I'm no SVG expert (it I would have done it myself), but is it correct to have standalone="no" in the header and what does xlink:href="EmancofJews.gif" do? Does it just link to the gif image? Maybe ask someone at the technical village pump if they can see any obvious problems that prevents MediaWiki to render the thumbnails. --Sherool (talk) 08:39, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that seems to have been it. MediaWiki refuses to render images with external references. Removed the reference to the unised GIF image and change the stand alone option to "yes" and wolla. Image renders now :) --Sherool (talk) 12:35, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since Serbia and Bulgaria are shown as independent nations, Greece and Montenegro should be treated the same way. The borders shown on this map are c. 1880, so the map of Greece should include the three blue sections of this map, i.e.; the Peloponnese, the Ionian Islands, and Thessaly. The old border of Montenegro can be seen here. The border of Serbia is a little too far to the south east and the border of Bulgaria a bit too far north. Valentinian ^{T / C} 13:14, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've taken the liberty of removing the "done" tag due to the issues mentioned above. Valentinian ^{T / C} 22:45, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also thinking that maybe this can be done on another map since the source image was very distorted. There may already exist an SVG map from the time period given that can just be properly colored. gren ã°ã¬ã³ 05:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Cameroon provinces english.png

Articles:Cameroon, Provinces of Cameroon

Request: While we're on this one, may I suggest the above for cleanup? This one is grainy and hard to read, the cleanups may suggest themselves to you, thanks. Chris 04:06, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: I'll take this one. -YK Times 01:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Suicide rate map

such? Bamse

Article(s):Suicide and List of countries by suicide rate

Request: This might not be the right place for this. I just need someone to make the above map to look like the map on this http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/suicideprevent/en/ World Health Organization page]. Their image is copyrighted, so that's why I'm not using it. What needs to be done is add a legend to the above svg and fill in the colors. I can't imagine this taking more than 30 minutes. It would be greatly appreciated. Mahanga^Talk 04:16, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: I used the WHO-data to color the map. Please let me know of any mistakes or suggestions for improvements. Bamse 04:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fantastic job, Bamse! I checked through it and did not notice and mistakes. Thank you very much! Mahanga^Talk 20:03, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Map of Central Yorkshire

Article(s): Scouting in Central Yorkshire

Request: Central Yorkshire is UK Scout County which is concurrent with the Wakefield and Leeds metropolitan areas - would it be possible to generate a map in the same style as Image:EnglandWakefield.png with this region highlighted? -- Horus Kol Talk 06:24, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

Maps of Greater Manchester - East, North, West

Article(s):

Request: Greater Manchester is divided into three UK Scout Counties. The Scout Association have maps highlighting these areas at the following links:

Can we have three maps in the same style as the original [:Image:EnglandGreaterManchester.png] map? -- Horus Kol Talk 06:45, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

Done Structure of the Moon

original image
Vector done by XcepticZP

Article(s): Moon, Internal structure of the Moon

Request: conversion to SVG. Nick Mks 17:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC) Thanks! Nick Mks 20:00, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Request done by XcepticZP

I was curious if the thickness of the line representing the crust in the original was supposed to be representative, or if it was just a line with very inconsistent line thickness. Also, does anyone have any idea what the dots and the A15 boxes and such are? -Andrew c 22:37, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A12/14/15/16 are the Apollo landings that dropped off seismometers.[4] --Interiot 22:54, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Really nice job ! Thank you. Yug 21:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Shahbag map

File:Shahbag Map1.png

Article(s): Shahbag

Request: Ragib 21:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC) Can you please convert it to svg, as requested in the WP:FAC for Shahbag?[reply]

Never mind, the issue has been solved .... Thanks. --Ragib 05:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

Done Wikinews Video Edition

better colours

Article(s): None (yet)

Request: talk to symode09's or Spread the love! 07:34, 11 April 2007 (UTC) I desperately need this converted into an svg. It is for a project to make a video edition of wikinews. This is EXTREMELY inportant... we need this almost immediately[reply]

Graphist opinion: How's this first attempt? Stannered 12:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The colours are slightly different compared to the PNG version - I think the problem is with Image:Wikinews-logo.svg. Looking at various different SVGs there are several different colour schemes in use, so I went back to the official WikiNews logo (I took the one which appears at the top-left of the WN site to be 'official') and used that to produce a version with the 'proper' colours. It seems that Image:Wikinews-logo.svg was using one solid colour layer and another graduated transparency layer on top of that to produce brightness gradients. Time3000 11:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You might like to backport those changes to the Image:Wikinews-logo.svg file, so other editors using it don't have to repeat the steps (and end up with slightly different inconsistent results). Just my 2Â¢, naturally. 12:49, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Done. Time3000 11:58, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Headlights

Lighter version

Article(s): Headlights (band)

Request: I don't have the tools to brighten this up properly. Some help may be useful. badlydrawnjeff talk 00:21, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

I've lightened up the image using the screen mode layer technique in Photoshop, unfortunately it highlights some of the flaws in the image and JPEG artifacts, but it's a lot brighter. --Canley 08:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- That's much better. Artifacts are bound to happen, but it looks much better. Thank you. --badlydrawnjeff talk 14:16, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Orkney Chapel

Interiot's attempt

Article(s):Italian Chapel

Request: I think this image would do well as a featured picture candidate but at present there are a few things that need minor attention. Specifically there is a slight distortion/leanof the main building in perspective and the image is quite dark. Would someone please help address these problems! Thanks very much! LordHarris 19:00, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

I posted a version with a perspective crop (though it still looks a bit distorted IMHO... the figure on the left leans left a bit), and selective brightening (brightened everything but the sky, and brightened the figure on the left and the door a bit more). --Interiot 21:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note

Thanks that looks a great deal better, good work! I'll list your version as a featured pictured candidate later today. LordHarris 15:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Ahh, they'll criticize my work then. ;) There are some semi-noticable issues on the edge between the sky and the building's roof. Someone else can probably do a more subtle job. --Interiot 22:51, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hargrave Military Academy

Requested shape
Requested color scheme
Like this?

Article(s):Hargrave Military Academy

Request: This should be very easy, and I would do it myself, but I don't have access to any image manipulation sofware right now. Could some create an image which uses the shape of the image on the left and the color scheme of the image on the left. Basically, the the green needs to be black and the light yellow needs to be the gold color of the second. Also, this should be a new image, not a replacement of either one, as they are both in use by other articles. Thanks. The Pelican 19:44, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: You mean like this one? Stannered 20:31, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You beat me to it ;) Mike Dillon 20:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note That is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks. The Pelican 20:42, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No worries :-) At some point I'll look at converting the rest of the images to SVG, too, as JPEG is evil. Stannered 20:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It seems the color on the new one is a bit brighter. Is that because of SVG? (I'm not trying to say you did a bad job or anything). The Pelican 22:28, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Due to the JPEG format, almost every pixel in the gold swash had a different colour. I took an average. JPEG artifacting seems to be causing a blur at all the edges of the swash, giving a muddy appearance. SVG renders with clean crisp edges. Could be either of those. If a specification for the swashes specifies an exact colour, it'd be easy to correct to that. Stannered 23:02, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think that it looks better that way. When the images are eventually changed to SVG, they will all look good, but no need to rush on that. Thanks again for making the image and explaining how it works. The Pelican 00:08, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Gtr Mcr COA.jpg

File:Gtr Mcr COA.jpg

Article(s): Many pages

Request: Found in Category:Images for redraw -YK Times^talk 00:08, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Hm, I had a stab at redrawing this, until I realised that that image isn't really good enough to redraw from. However, the Manchester Has a better version available Image:Gtr Man arms.png, for when its needed (et legal to do so)... tooto 23:10, 28 April 2007 (UTC) [reply]

Robert Pinn

undeuxtroiskid's attempt

Article(s): Robert Pinn, List of African American Medal of Honor recipients

Request: This image needs to be cleaned up, especially the white mark by his mouth. Can that be filled in? The black line along the right side can be cropped off or filled in, there is also a large scratch on the lower-left. jwillbur^talk 21:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Removed the black line on the side, removed a lot of scratches, and tried my best at the white mark on his mouth.Undeuxtroiskid 06:14, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thank you! That looks much better. jwillbur^talk 17:16, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New Orleans death

Article(s): 2005 levee failures in Greater New Orleans

Request:This image while useful looks like it was drawn with ms paint Gnevin 12:49, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

A true map of New Orleans should be welcome to redraw this. A screen shot of Googlemap, this is ok or not ?? (Free License ?). Provide such map may help graphists to finish the work. --82.244.80.175 13:38, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Google Maps is copyrighted, and is not freely licensed. Hence a screenshot would not be OK. OpenStreetMap seems to not cover New Orleans yet, from what I can tell. Unless I'm being an idiot, of course. Stannered 13:48, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure there's lots of freely-licensed versions of the city... eg. page 3 of this PDF contains a vector version... there's a number of raster versions here likely available under {{PD-USGov-Military-Army-USACE}}. --Interiot 14:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Duquesne University COA

Image:Duquesnecrest.jpg (fair use image, so link only).

Article(s): Duquesne University, Duquesne University School of Law

Request: If this image were redrawn, it wouldn't have to be under the fair use license it is currently under, and would be of much better quality (back transparency, etc.) Alekjds ^talk 01:59, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Actually, the image would retain the copyright status of the original. The design of the logo is what is copyrighted, not the file itself. Otherwise copyright on 2D images would be pointless, as you could simply redraw an exact copy. Stannered 18:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I didn't know that, but it makes complete sense. Of course there would still be benefit in redrawing the image in .svg, ideally, for practical reasons, if anyone would be up to it. Alekjds ^talk 03:11, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, current consensus is that SVG conversion of fair-use non-free images should have a lower priority than the conversion of free images (of which there are hundreds waiting doing at Category:Images which should be in SVG format and its subcategories), and that even when that's done, the SVG should contain no more detail than is necessary to render it at its current resolution. Stannered 09:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Very well. Thank you. Alekjds ^talk 19:42, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

AFAIK, Actually it is not a matter of priority. As the template {{Non-free logo}} states: It is believed that the use of low-resolution image.... If such a logo is converted to SVG, the image is not low-resolution anymore, so it is not subject to fair use. Chabacano 01:13, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Evolution is change

Can you convert to SVG ?

Can you convert to SVG ?
SVG Version, is it okay ?

Article(s): Evolution

Request: Could this be made into an svg? I tried to do it myself, but the SVG would not display for some reason. Adam Cuerden ^talk 08:32, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Image:Evolution_is_change_3.svg (I dug through your upload log) had deleted edits but is now a red link. Was it always red or was it deleted when it didn't work? Also, vectoring a bunch of squares shouldn't be too hard, as long as I don't have to follow the exact positioning.--Here T oHelp 19:58, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry oHelp, I beat you to it, here is the SVG Version of the Image, is everything okay ?
> Rugby471 ^talk 14:57, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted the svg version that I uploaded because I couldn't get it to work. This one looks great! Thanks for the help! Adam Cuerden ^talk 15:04, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Virginia Tech Massacre

Original photo by Damiano
lightened and despeckled
less extreme edit
adjusted for clarity by Xiaphias

Article(s): Virginia Tech Massacre

Request: This photo was taken from a student's cell phone and he released it under the GFDL. Is there any cleanup / color improvement that can be done? Thanks. BigDT (416) 04:32, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

Does someone have a denoise tool they can run on this? --Interiot 05:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've done my best using Photoshop CS2's noise reduction tools and a little bit of color correction/levels adjustment.-Andrew c 18:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I brightened the foreground, increased contrast, tweaked the color, and slightly sharpened. If anyone else can do more, feel free to modify it further.--Xiaphias 18:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dual unit map

Article(s):Virginia Tech Massacre

Request: The map image (Image:Norris WestAJ Map.jpg) has a scale in metric only, would it be possible to add an imperial/US customary scale alongside? The Manual of Style reads conversions should generally be included and not be removed. Thanks CR7 16:51, 18 April 2007 (UTC).

Graphist opinion:

I've re-done the scale with additional measurements in yards, but preserving the transparency was too difficult so I've simply put it onto a grey background. Time3000 17:23, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, I've swapped the pictures on the page. Thanks, CR7 15:46, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Request: Would it be possible to put the post office in the picture, to show the distance he had to travel? Just a suggestion. --wpktsfs 03:48, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Coral life cycles.png

Article(s): Coral

Request: Found in Category:Images for redraw -YK Times^talk 00:08, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:I redid into SVG but the Wiki PNG rendering is awkward to say the least. I don't have any of the fonts that the backend has so it's a matter of trial and error at positioning due to the fonts changing sizes.Undeuxtroiskid 08:33, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To avoid that kind of problems you can convert text to normal objects (pathsin inkscape), although in that way you will lose some of the benefits of text in svg (such as ability of finding strings in svg files :( ). Chabacano 01:13, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I did find the fonts that I needed. Apparently, they were bundled with Inkscape and I didn't even know it. I was aware of converting text to normal objects but that way, it'd be a lot harder to edit it with a text editor (does any even do that?). Then again, the lines are not easily editable so...both ways have it's advantages. I didn't set a background for the SVG either (I always forget) so it's transparent.Undeuxtroiskid 04:02, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the work on this, I listed it for conversion after a note in GA review and only just found this page. I had a go at making this and uploaded it to the commmons: commons:Image:Coral life cycles.svg
(It has the same name as above so can't see how to place it in the gallery)
The text on mine only works in full view, as you can see in the summary it is the wrong size. Why is this and how can I change it?
Thanks |â Spaully^âªâ 12:02, 13 May 2007 (GMT)

Done Title

Blue skies, smilin' at ya. ~by Xiaphias~

Article(s): Oasis, Ica (city) Request:

Hi, I wonder if you could make the sky light blue, thanks --Andersmusician $ 02:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

magic wand + adjust color balance = insta-bluesky. --Xiaphias 03:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

O.o ... Nice work here, really more appealing ! When you do such good work it is better to upload with the same name, on the old image. Yug (talk) 20:03, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It still looks a little strange with the reflection not being also blue-ish. Sancho 17:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

With such drastic changes, though, there's an argument for using a different name so that the unedited version will still be available under the old name. It depends on the circumstances, really. âIlmari Karonen (talk) 19:54, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for your efforts xiaphias --Andersmusician $ 00:02, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done iPod 4G

Not a bad pic to start with, other than the screen. Oh wellâ¦
Could you make it look something like this?
Finished Image #1
Finished Image #2

Article(s): iPod

Request: Hi! I'd like to get the background from the above image removed and replaced with solid white, and a drop shadow added (or keep the one it has). Feel free to mess with the contrast levels, etc. It's going to be used as a thumbnail here, and it really is our best image of the subject as far as editing possibilities go. When you're done, maybe you could upload it to the Commons? Thanks! Here T oHelp 23:02, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

That sounds okay, i'll get to work on it right away ! > Rugby471 ^talk 15:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, i think i've done it. how does it look ? ( i'll convert to jpg afterwards ) > Rugby471 ^talk 15:58, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could use a brightness/levels adjustment (excluding the screen, probably) to make it look white instead of gray against the new white background; I had to make a pretty severe adjustment to the 5G image when I removed the background from that. Other than that, not bad at all! âIlmari Karonen (talk) 19:48, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have made it look white. The only thing left to do is the screen, the thing is, the screen is really bad quality, it is hard to do anything with it, could you take another picture but make sure the screen looks better ? > Rugby471 ^talk 07:30, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! That looks greatâexcept, as noted, the screen. There's also Image:Ipodphoto.jpg to work with if it helps, but I don't think it will. Not only is the coloring off but the screen is also blurry, not to mention different from the one in the pic you've been working on. While it will look fine as a 45px thumbnail, the screen will have to be improved to be shown at full size. Also, since space is limited, especially in a thumbnail, can you make the next version a tighter crop? Not too tight, but it looks to me like there's to much white border, especially on the top.--Here T oHelp 12:01, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I cropped the image a bit so it fits in the table a bit better... Paul^C/_T+ 13:49, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about the crop, I made the image larger so the shadow wouldn't get cut off at any point, but I forgot to crop it back. Now about the screen, what do you actually want me to do with it, should I try to find an alternative from a free picture, or try to work with the one I have ? > Rugby471 ^talk 08:49, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey guys, I don't know exactly what I'm doing here, but I'm the one who took the picture. I took more here, if they help any: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:IPodPhoto4Gscreen.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:IPodPhoto4Gsmall.jpg Try those and let me know on my talk page if you need more. My camera isn't very good :/ AquaStreak 15:55, 27 May 2007 (UTC) Also, I took this one. I think this is as clear as it will go. /media/wikipedia/en/d/d5/IPodPhoto4Gclear.jpg AquaStreak 16:04, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cheerz for those pics Aquastreak, I have pasted in the two screens (and sharpened them etc.) and made small changes to the rest of the iPod. Since there were two usable screens, I didn't know which one you'd prefer. Here is the version [5] of the screen, and here is version [6] of the screen. Which one do you prefer ? ( I prefer version 1 ) > Rugby471 ^talk 08:59, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I like the 1st version better. AquaStreak 13:49, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They both look okay (and much better than the original), but I guess I like version 1, too. Thanks everyone!--Here T oHelp 17:23, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the morning, i'll upload both to commons ! > Rugby471 ^talk 19:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done ! The two images are here and here I want to thank everyone for their commitment to this ! > Rugby471 ^talk 19:00, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!--Here T oHelp 21:52, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Fujita scale

Image for Improvement
Version 3# Improvement

Article(s): Fujita scale

Request: This image explains the technical details of the Fujita scale pretty well, but it suffers from severe quality issues. Cleanup/vectorization would be nice. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 05:59, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

Okay, i'll get to work on creating a vector > Rugby471 ^talk 07:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, i've redrawn it all, how does it look. BTW, I changed the colour coding, as the values on the left and right axis were hard to distinguish from the MACH values. > Rugby471 ^talk 18:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... the tick marks on the lower horizontal scales don't match up. B11 is equal to F0, B12 to F1, M0 is F11, and M1 is equivalent to F12. Also, the round marks on the Mach scale are missing. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 19:09, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There's a number of other factual problems as well... the PNG says "speed of sound at -3 C", the SVG says "speed of sound at 3 C", and the equations at the top are missing the "1.5" exponents (maybe they just didn't render properly in rsvg?). And the third equation is missing its last "t". On an aesthetic basis, there's a stray "F9.0" above the 500 on the far left side. If others could do some blink comparison of the two images to make sure there aren't other minor factual issues, that'd be good. (eg. pull them up in two tabs and rapidly switch between them) --Interiot 21:43, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that, when you are working up close with both images, it is hard to see those details.However some of them, i admit, I forgot to put there. I have corrected all the points you said and also looked for any other errors, I couldn't find any more. Is this version okay ? ( I put an opaque background as I wasn't sure whether you wanted transparent or white ) > Rugby471 ^talk 07:46, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Opaque is fine. Looking at it closely, the distance between F10-F11 and F11-F12 is not the same; also M0-M1 and M1-M2 are not equidistant either. (Yes, I'm a PITA, I know.) Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 08:00, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've done as much as I can do without breaking down mentally, is it okay .... > Rugby471 ^talk 08:16, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It looks great. The only thing I would change (and that would be a change from the original as well) would be to add a space in '900mph', and that may not be necessary. But otherwise, it is a great job. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 08:21, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done !! > Rugby471 ^talk 08:30, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks great! --Interiot 18:20, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done All-Ireland

Image for Improvement

Image for Improvement
Final Image
Image based on second edit to illustrate changes

Image based on second edit to illustrate changes

Article(s):For All-Ireland Senior Football Championship

Request:Self created but I'm not graphist, can some one make it look better Gnevin 22:10, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

Yup, that looks quite easy, i'll get to work on it > Rugby471 ^talk 07:14, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay here's the first edit, is everything factually correct ? > Rugby471 ^talk 09:36, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah that looks correct , can you add arrows to the lines coming out of the provincial championship ? Gnevin 10:31, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Arrows facing outwards or inwards, and if there is anything else you want can you say now ? So I can have just two versions of tweaks and not 5. Thanks > Rugby471 ^talk 11:15, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Arrows outwards so they show the the "flow" of the team from the provincial championship to the tommy murphy or qualifiers , also can you change division 3 + to division 1,2 or 3, thanks. Gnevin

This okay ? > Rugby471 ^talk 16:04, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry i didnt make myself clear last time , i've posted a second image that illustrats where the arrows should be , if you can do this i would be very grateful ,apart from that it looks great (Gnevin 18:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

How's this ? > Rugby471 ^talk 16:11, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Super thanks, i'll add it the article now (Gnevin 20:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Sorry i just noticed i made a mistake , can you please make one final edit , sorry about wasting your time like this,carelessness on my part . Can you also add an arrow from the semi final please? (Gnevin 20:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Don't worry about that, FINISHED ! > Rugby471 ^talk

Sorry to bother you can you make the arrow change for the final that what i meant yesterday sorry again for this , see the second image i updated yesterday to see what i mean (Gnevin 18:40, 6 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Is this right ? > Rugby471 ^talk 16:16, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah super i know i made it more difficult than i should . Thanks for your help you did a super job (Gnevin 17:51, 7 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Done Cross-beam diagram

Original Raster Image

Original Raster Image
Second Vector Design: Emphasized text

Article(s): Hyatt Regency walkway collapse

Request: Would someone please re-draw this in SVG? It's a pretty simple diagram explaining how forces changed before and after on a cross-beam. Ideally you would add color too. 128.158.145.51 18:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: It looks simple enough; I'll start creating a vector version. What sort of colors should be used? --Dave the Rave (DTR) 20:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gray, I guess? Just something that looks like metal. What's more important is labeling the forces ("P on nut" and "2P on nut"). Thank you. 128.158.145.51 15:10, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a first attempt; does anything need altering? Also, is the shade of grey any good? --Dave the Rave (DTR) 19:01, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Very good job. Also, could you emphasize the P vs 2P difference... e.g. by coloring the text red, increasing the font size, etc? 128.158.145.51 19:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Uploaded Version with changed text of '(2)P on nut'. Anything else? --Dave the Rave (DTR) 16:55, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect. 128.158.145.51 17:25, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done? List of Japanese flags

Image:Fukuoka symbol.png Municipal flag of Fukuoka, Fukuoka (fair use image so link only)
Image:Symbol-hiroshima.gif Municipal flag of Hiroshima (fair use image so link only)

Article(s): List of Japanese flags

Request: Hello! If you have the time/inclination, could you please have a look at List of Japanese flags and SVGize any flags which aren't already? They are fairly simple shapes and would probably lend themselves well to vectorizing. Note that some of them, like the first pic in the gallery above, are of fairly high quality, so I'm not sure if they're worth converting. I'll leave that to your discretion. However, some like the second pic could certainly use an update. At any rate, it's not urgent at all. Thank you for your time and effort! --LeoNomis 11:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Would these images, derived from fair use images, also have to be fair use?--Here T oHelp 13:07, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your quick reply! Yes, they should be tagged as used in a fair use rationale. Should the Japanese government one day decide to expand on their Law Concerning the National Flag and Anthem, the tags can always be changed. --LeoNomis 13:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh well. I should clarify that I personally don't know much about designing vector graphics--just poking my head in--but I'm sure someone will give it a shot really soon.--Here T oHelp 14:47, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll make vector versions of these images, but I don't know what to do regarding fair-use-rationale and liscensing, as I am a Graphics Lab Newbie. I'd appreciate help in this area. --Dave the Rave (DTR) 16:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, vector versions of the two above have been uploaded to Image:Fukuoka Symbol.svg and Image:Hiroshima Symbol.svg, with the same licensing details as the originals. Any Comments? I'll start working on other flags if not. --Dave the Rave (DTR) 17:16, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dave, the conversions you made look excellent! Regarding the licensing, Template:Non-free symbol is fine. Thank you very much for your help. --LeoNomis 18:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad that worked out. I'm closing the request--if either of you aren't satisfied yet (it sounds like you are), remove the template in the section title.

The Images on List of Japanese flags are either svg or good pngs - so unless there is a specific image that needs improving, as far as I'm concerned, this can be closed.

Seems I overestimated the work that needed to be done! Again, thank you very much for your help. I'm glad this lab exists.--LeoNomis 12:43, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is this allowed? Can fair use symbols be vectorized? Template:Non-free symbol states that the image should be low resolution. Vector versions have not low resolution anymore. Chabacano 17:45, 15 June 2007 (UTC) | Quote: "[On fair-use rationales:] Other text indicating conformance with the Wikipedia:Logos guideline may be added, such as confirmation that the logo has been rendered at a small size and with lower detail if it is a scalable vector image." from Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline Both vector images are small (notably Image:Hiroshima Symbol.svg, compared to the original) and not particluarly detailed. I don't know much about fair-use and all that, but I can't see anything that indicates there is anything wrong with vector-images. If anyone else knows anything to the contrary, speak up. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 20:04, 15 June 2007 (UTC) [reply]

The Wikipedia French Embassy logo....

This image
First Edit

First Edit

Article(s): Wikipedia:Local_Embassy/FranÃ§ais

Request: I have a complicated request to ask you. Would it be possible to:

Change the lettering on the globe so that instead it would spell out Francophonie?
Change the colouring scheme of the globe so that the colours used are the same to that of the ring around it?
(Just remembered) Could you also change the image to such point that it would no longer be eligible for Copyright by Wikimedia - (but still preserve the fundamental Wikipedia Globe idea?)

Thanks,

Booksworm Talk to me! 19:56, 13 May 2007 (UTC) (Please place any queries to my talk page as well as leaving them here...) (You may note that I did this logo quite quickly using Fireworks...)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

Do you mean the greek letters for franco ... or the actual english characters ? Rugby471 17:49, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I mean that if you could write Francophonie using normal Latin characters... Booksworm Talk to me! 10:23, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I shall get to work on it ! I have done the first version of it ( no color scheme yet, but I have done the letters. For some reason, they don't look just right, can someone else have a look at the them ? Rugby471 17:18, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have just done the color scheme, does it look okay ? Rugby471 15:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I suppose so... Could you, however colour individual tiles on the globe or is that exorbitantly complicated? I also think that the letters are mucked up for some reason - they don't wrap on the globe - can you do that as well or would that be too difficult as well as colouring individual tiles??? Booksworm Talk to me! 19:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll start work on that, but I can't think it will look that good... Rugby471 16:57, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm half way through the way you suggested, but I don't think it looks that good .. Should I continue ? Rugby471 16:29, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, scrap the coloured title idea. Just go ahead with the idea of placing "FRANCOPHONIE" on the globe. Booksworm ^{Talk to me!} 05:33, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The original image has some serious copyright issues, and I have nominated it for deletion on Commons. I do personally think the Wikimedia Foundation should just release its logos under a free license (though still subject to trademarks, of course), but until they grow some spine and do that, we can't just make them free by insisting that they are so. âIlmari Karonen (talk) 20:24, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

:Image:SwansCygnus olor.jpg

Article(s): Too many to list. See [7]

Request: This has been nominated for featured picture status at least times, for the obvious reasons. And four times, it's failed, for the obvious reasons. Is there anything that can be done to reduce the glare, just a little? Especially above the left head, and on the right? Ben Aveling 12:10, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Working on it Javit 19:49, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup and adjustments. Is that ok? Javit 20:19, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why has it lost resolution? Chabacano 00:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

do you need that high resolution? All the links where the photo was used contained it as fairly small size. I have hi-rez if you need but didn't see the need to clutter servers with waste bytes. Javit 01:32, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If it's an FPC, then the high resolution is important. From Wikipedia:Featured picture criteria:

         Images should be at least 1000 pixels in resolution in width or height to be supported,
         unless they are of historical significance or animated; even larger sizes are
         generally preferred.

Time3000 09:59, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay i'll upload a hi-rez this evening (UK time). Javit 11:37, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Right, how's this ? --Javit 17:31, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me. We'll find out what other people think - I've uploaded it to commons, and I'm about to nominate it. They are pretty tough there, so wish me luck. Regards, Ben Aveling 21:53, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See commons:Commons:Featured picture candidates/Image:SwansCygnus olor edit2.jpgâ. In general, people like it, but want it to be have more detail. As I said, tough crowd. If a higher-res version can be generated, it might help. They like their featured pictures to be suitable for printing. Regards, Ben Aveling 05:31, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the largest possible from the original. --Javit 09:48, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Coat of arms of Denmark

Danish coat of arms, 1819-1903
Three lions COA in SVG.

Three lions COA in SVG.

Article(s): Coat of arms of Denmark

Request: This image shows a version of the Danish arms used for almost 100 years, making it one of the most important variants. The original work of art was located in a dimly lit place, and this is the reason why a flash was used. The resulting image would benefit from a little sharpening, see the shield and the gold pattern on the royal robe. Any help would be great. Valentinian ^{T / C} 16:51, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Is there a vector version? If so, i can be used for reference. If not, it might be worth it to create one if possible.--Here T oHelp 17:33, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Currently, we don't have a vector version, but it would be extremely welcome. If you take a look at coat of arms of Denmark, you can see that the actual design of the insignia changed a lot over the years, I've - so far - only added images for the first 400 years, but it gets way worse after that. The version shown here was used 1819-1903, so it was a very stable version. It is almost identical to the version used 1903-1947, only one field was changed then (the red field on the SW corner was replaced with a new insignia occupying the same space). And the later 1947-72 version, also resembled much of it: see the bottom of this page (the artist hasn't been dead for 70 years, which is why I haven't uploaded it). The changes in 1903 and 1947 related to the same field representing Iceland. A user attempted to create an svg of the "three-lion" arms, see Image:COA of Denmark.svg but this image has the crown's proportions wrong, the lions look odd, and the hearts are too small and the centre ones are incorrectly placed. If anybody could draw vectors looking something like this state version and the royal arms I'd be extremely happy. Even more so as some editors are considering deleting all images from www.vector-images, so that might kill the two images in question. If anybody tries making one of these images, place ask me if you have any questions at all. I know the details by heart :) Valentinian ^{T / C} 21:47, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If it changed gradually over time, it sounds like an animated version might be useful? Regards, Ben Aveling 00:58, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An animated version might be an idea, but it would require much more material since the Danish arms dates back to the 12th century but standardization only came by 1819. The Danish arms started with containing just the three-lions symbol and ended up with a large number of different insignias arranged in different orders and styles. As provinces were lost and gained, subcoats were frequently added and removed again. Variation also happened during the reign of individual kings: one year a king's coins would show just the three lions and nine hearts, another year it could be 10 different subcoats arranged in a great shield but arranged in yet a new order, or it might be c. 10 tiny shields surrounding one bigger one. Next year again, it could be back to the symbol the government adminstration often used with just a combination of the arms of Denmark, Norway and Sweden/the Kalmar Union. Usage also shifted depending on the physical size of the coins it was shown or physical features in a building. E.g. in Rosenborg Castle, the ceiling of one chamber features around 12 small shields, nicely arranged in columns and rows as part of the ceiling's decoration. I would be very happy if something could just be done with this image here, or the two suggested vectors. One reason why the vectors would be nice is that I hope to one day bring this article to GA and FA and in that case, I would like to avoid any issues about copyrights. Other Danish Wikipedians have promised to help me with user-taken photos of relevant insignia from the later periods, but it is a big drawback that PD-art doesn't apply in Denmark. Americans have no idea how lucky you are to have PD-art, PD-USGov and similar laws. Danes have none of them. Valentinian ^{T / C} 01:24, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I did a new vectorization of the three lions COA. I hope this is better than the previous attempt. Chabacano 14:56, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is much prettier, and both the crown of King Christian V and the colours are spot on. I just realised now that my post was a little unclear, for which I apologize. A common version used officially would be this (linked to only due to copyright reasons) or one of the official drawings shown here (most notably examples R1 and R2). The image I linked to before was from Vector-images.com so that one was of course derived from the official arms. Your vectorization resembles both the official examples R1 and R2 and the .png from vector-images.com, so I would consider it close to the official version, but still just a tad different. Given this, I believe we can still call this a new work, although it is very close to Vector-images' version. Valentinian ^{T / C} 17:44, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure of have understood your comment. If your concern is about copyright I would say that this new vectorization is as free as the vector-images.com . Since the png is in commons and has a free license, we can vectorize it or make derivative works. Another question is if vector-images.com are violating the laws of Denmark (and then we are too :( ) by distributing its image. Chabacano 18:00, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was indeed thinking in terms of Vector-images.com, since Commons has stopped accepting uploads of vector-images material, since some admins on Commons believe that the company would prefer not seeing derived works. On the other hand, AFAIK, the company's emails have been very large, provided we don't upload the exact vector files, the company sells itself, but this is not the case here. I can't see any problems in respect of the Danish state. The Kingdom of Denmark limits itself to a shortlist of official drawings - generally made by Mr. Aage Wulff, official artist to the court, and http://www.sa.dk/sa/rigsvaaben/eksempler.htm states expressly that should any state body wish to use a drawing for official purposes that differs from the ones on this list, that state body would then have to apply the National Archives for permission in order to do a new official drawing. The purpose is clearly to avoid a proliferation of "official" drawings, and your drawing isn't an exact match to any of the official ones. Valentinian ^{T / C} 18:12, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It would still be great if one of you could make the photo a little clearer / sharper, but I don't know if that is possible. Valentinian ^{T / C} 12:07, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tenrec

Can anybody help me to improve my photo of tenrec (Lesser Hedgehog Tenrec - Echinops telfairi)? If thats possible?

Article(s): no article yet

Request: Pinky sl 16:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Hiya. I think the photo is fairly blurred and not very well composed for content. Yet there is room for improvement post-processing, but probably not worth it unless you demonstrate that the photograph would be a useful addition to a linked article. Thanks! --Javit 17:34, 30 May 2007 (UTC) [reply]

Done Progression of Dental caries

Possible tooth picture; annoying color
Possible tooth picture; but less anatomically correct
Recoloured SVG

pit and fissure caries
New animation

smooth surface caries

Article(s): Dental caries

Request: This is a involved request. I would understand if some people would want to break up the work. Basically, this idea came from a series of pictures on dental caries (tooth decay) in the french wikipedia. The series of pictures showed the progression of caries. I think it would be absolutely amazing change the series of pictures into an animated gif AND have the images be more accurate with what actually happens in a tooth. I have posted two pictures of a tooth that might be preferred to be cropped to focus on a single area. I am not sure which would be better. The first one looks more anatomically correct, but the colors are really distracting. The second one is less anatomically correct, but there is less color. Because of the anatomy, I would prefer the first picture if the colors can be more neutral and if the picture could be cropped to focus on the crown of the tooth.

In addition, I have posted my absolutely terrible sketches to show what the progression should look like. For anyone who would be willing to help with this project, I will try to explain what is going on in the pictures and of course feel free to ask any questions if I am not clear:

There are two types of caries. I figured each type could have its own animation.

Pit and fissure caries (the first shown) is described as looking like two triangles sharing the same base. It begins as a point in a pit/fissure, gets larger as it goes down to the dentin. Then, at the location where enamel and dentin meet, the decay spreads laterally rapidly. Then, as it moves toward the pulp, the caries in dentin sharpens into a point.

Smooth surface caries (the second series shown) is described as looking like two triangles, with an apex of one triangle touching the base of the other. It begins as a large area in enamel and shrinks to a point as it nears the location where enamel and dentin meet. Once the decay reaches dentin, it again spreads laterally rapidly and sharpens into a point again as it moves toward the pulp.

I realize this may be a lot to do, but I would very much appreciate it! And the article would appreciate it too!!!! - Dozenist talk 22:42, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

Image:DentistryLogo.png

I've created an SVG of the image, with a more realistic colour scheme. The dentine and pulp out towards are faded out towards the bottom which IMO looks better than simply cropping it to the top. Would using the same image (without the fading out) be acceptable for the animations? Time3000 14:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The colors look a ton better! The caries will be much easier to identify in the animation that way. For that purpose, you may want to consider lightening the dentin color just slightly, but if you feel that the color is not too dark then do not bother with it. - Dozenist talk 14:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just to let you know that I am working on the animations... Time3000 11:10, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yay! That's awesome. - Dozenist talk 13:38, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pit and fissure caries animation

OK, I've done an animation of pit and fissure caries. It's fairly basic, but it's fairly accurate (as far as I can tell). Time3000 12:25, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The animation is awesome! It would fit in the article perfectly. I am sure the other animation will be just as good. - Dozenist talk 17:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Smooth surface caries animation

Okay, I ran across this request and thought it wouldn't be too hard. I've uploaded my animation of smooth surface caries to the gallery above. Let me know what you think. -- VegitaU 18:59, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The graphic looks amazing. I love how smooth the transition is! I have placed both animations in the article, and I think they look really good. At the end of the animation, since this new one moves so much faster, is there any way to make it pause for a second or two so the end result is clearly shown to the reader? Also, when the images are so close together in the article, the difference between the two may be a little distracting. I hate to ask since I have asked so much already, but is there anyway to modify the first animation (the pit-and-fissure caries one) to look like this one? I really love the animations and believe they add a lot to the article (which is almost ready to be sent to FAC). Thank you very much for all your hard work! - Dozenist talk 03:22, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I updated the old animation to include a 2-second delay on the last frame and made a smoother the pit caries animation. Hope this helps you out. -- VegitaU 23:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! The animations are awesome, and they look great in the article. I love it, and thanks again for the work you put in. - Dozenist talk 00:24, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Baseball image - high priority

original version that I modified
cropped JPG version on white
cropped PNG version

Article(s): This is an emergency priority - this image is used all over creation - in template:baseball-stub, for example.

Request: Please de-hideousify Image:Baseball (crop).jpg. When Image:Baseball (ball) closeup.jpg (which was used all over everywhere) was deleted on Commons, I made Image:Baseball (crop).jpg as a stop-gap measure. But it looks hideous and needs a transparent background. Thanks. BigΔT 04:29, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: I won't be doing this one...I do vector graphics, but you are going to need to be very specific about your request if you want something to be done, good luck--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 06:18, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, what is it that you want to change EXACTLY.

Akiramenai 07:47, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. But I sorta like the one on green. :) --Knulclunk 11:36, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since JPG doesn't support transparency, I've recropped it and saved it as a PNG. Note, for some reason the JPG thumbnail seems sharper than the PNG one, but they are both as sharp at full resolution, so not sure why that's happening CountingPine 17:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's probably because the thumbnail is displayed as a low-quality JPEG, so it is very lossy; the PNG is lossless, even in the thumbnail. The noise in the JPEG shows up as high-frequency artifacts, which the brain interprets as extra detail, making it appear sharper. Time3000 13:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My money's on WP using different scaling algorithms, either because of the different file formats, or because the PNG has an alpha channel. CountingPine 22:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The original Mercury seven

The original Mercury seven

The original Mercury seven

Article(s): Would fit into articles about Project Mercury

Request: I really like this photo, but it's very noisy and the shadows are hard. Maybe it can be improved? --startaq 20:01, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: (Disclaimer:I'm not a graphist but I think the photo caught my eye.) I went through Project Mercury and found that it didn't really have a place for it. This is a problem with the article rather than the image; having read and seen The Right Stuff I know the astronauts had to endure all sorts of preparation (like this photo) and yet the article doesn't mention it. I still think that it is worthy of the attention of a qualified graphist.--Here T oHelp 23:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if there's very much detail available in the shadows... brightening the darkest parts of the image do make more detail available near the eyes of the person to the furthest left, and a small bit of extra detail in the eyes of the person to the furthest right. Other than that, I think brightening won't do much other than increase the noise. --Interiot 23:27, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Photoclinometry

Article(s): Photoclinometry

Request: If someone could make an image (probably not SVG, I don't know) that depicts the process or result of photoclinometry. It would be much appreciated. → Icez {talk | contrib} 21:49, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist Opinion:

If you wrote what that was, maybe you would get more offers Rugby471 17:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you would be better off asking at Wikipedia:Requested pictures. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 21:58, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Coat of Arms of Bermuda

Flag of Bermuda
Coat of Arms of Bermuda

Coat of Arms of Bermuda
Flag of the Governor of Bermuda
My attempt

My attempt
based on jpg, rough start

Article(s): Bermuda, Coat of arms of Bermuda, among others

Request: To be honest, with all of the high-quality flags and coats of arms out there on Wikipedia, I was shocked to see this representation of the Bermudan coat of arms. Frankly, it looks as if it was done in MS Paint, or at least the lion part. The sad fact is, though, most of the images out on the internet are also of pretty poor quality. There are a few that I found that may come in handy, though:

This PDF file comes straight from the Bermudan government website. The coat of arms has rather thick outlining and it's in black and white, but, in theory, it should be the most faithful representation as it comes from the government. It's really the best thing I could find, as there isn't a specific section of the website devoted to the Bermudan flag or coat of arms (the tourism site has a low-quality photo to illustrate its description of the flag).
Probably the next best thing can be found here, from vexilla-mundi.com. The lion's head is a tad different and whatever part of the lion between the hands and feet that stick out from behind the shield look like something out of a Dr. Seuss book. But compared to others out there, it's not bad.

As far as I searched, the rest were pretty much the same as (if not worse than) the existing image or were too low-quality for them to be usable (I'm referring mainly to photos). I really hope we can improve this because if someone were to recreate my country's flag like this, I'd be pretty peeved. -Nameneko 22:09, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

I will start work on it, an higher quality images of the actual flag would be great though.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 18:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I started on this today. My product is displayed above; let me know if it is acceptable or if anything needs to be changed. -- VegitaU 23:59, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How did you make that? SVG is preferable to JPG. Could you export it as such? If not I will use your edition as base for an SVG. Cheers--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 00:16, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I took the black and white outline off the PDF file the requestor provided, enlarged it, and used a Wacom tablet to paint it bit by bit based on a really crappy low-res color image of part of the Coat of Arms. You'd think the Government of Bermuda website would proudly display their flag, but no... it looks like I have to fly to Bermuda for a decent shot of seeing the real thing.

Anyways, I'm not proficient enough, it seemes, with Inkscape to make an SVG of this. I just haven't worked with that type of file type. If you upload an SVG version of this, please upload it to Image:Bermuda-Coat-of-Arms-SVG.svg on the Commons. My attempt didn't work and there's no reason not to overwrite it. Thanks. -- VegitaU 01:10, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No no, your attempt made my life ten times easier. I was working with the black and white, but now that I have you version I can focus on just vectorizing. It will take a while but I will periodically update. Inkscape is a great little tool I encourage you to type svg into commons and start vectorizing the images(images that need to use vector graphics) it pops up. The only problem with jpgs is that they can't be scaled like svgs.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 01:24, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering if you could teach me briefly how you convert JPGs to SVGs (or maybe redirect me to a useful tutorial. I tried what the Commons said about converting it to SVG, using the Trace Bitmap function, but mine didn't turn out at all. -- VegitaU 02:45, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I do mine by hand... probably not the answer you were looking for though :)--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 11:11, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I find that trace bitmap is best for simple images or line drawings. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 20:11, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that took awhile... I think I captured the general idea though. Any suggestions VegitaU?--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 17:07, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me. I guess the requester will have to review it. -- VegitaU 19:29, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've made a few more changes. It'll need someone a lot more artistic than me to get it looking as good as the JPG though. CountingPine 18:54, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps we use the svg for the flags and the jpg when the seal is standalone--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 22:13, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. After reading this I'm happy with what we've made here. It looks like the Bermudans have never really settled on one solid version of this picture. It ranges anywhere from a grim-looking bearded thing to a smiling housecat... and there are versions with and without a puddle, blue and white oceans, higher clouds... Well done, everybody. -- VegitaU 02:15, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps someone should send an E-mail to Bermuda telling them that we finished their COA for them :-)--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 02:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Scouting in Laos

large scan of the badge, shows color scheme, but it is dark and shows badly on some monitors
older small line art of the badge, but it shows the scroll and knot and text that the newer one does not

older small line art of the badge, but it shows the scroll and knot and text that the newer one does not
first edit

first edit
my crude rendition of the way I intended the request

my crude rendition of the way I intended the request
Scout Motto in the Lao language, converted to an SVG path

File:Laos.svg

Article(s): Scouting in Laos

Request: I would ask that the images be merged, so to speak, ~~find a median size between them~~; using the line art, make the details in the deep blue of the badge, except where they are red or white on the badge, and incorporate both the color scheme and the scroll and knot into the new image. Chris 05:56, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

addendum Image:Laos.jpg, at 167 × 219 pixels, 100px, is a really good size for details. Chris 08:09, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your Image:Laos.svg is brilliant, and I so appreciate your time and help! You are great at graphic art, this lab is really an impressive fount of talent! However, for these emblems, we don't want to use colors we can't really verify, snazzy though they are. I have created (rough, I know) a crude variant of the color scheme warranted, at Image:Laosfullcoloremblem.jpg. The closest colors are probably those of Image:Flag of Laos.svg. I do prefer the shape and proportions of your red section, I love how you did that.Chris 07:12, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You are really good at this! Minor tweak-the red is too deep, and the blue is too light and should be uniform throughout, not two different shades-the colors should be those of Image:Flag of Laos.svg. Or at least for the red, the bright primary red used in your Ethiopian one below should work. I tested my monitor theory, the one I made to illustrate looks really orangey at work, but red on my one at home, weird. Chris 07:59, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

I would like to have the text in unicode or in some format that will allow me to put it in the graphic i.e. legible :)--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 13:35, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have put in that request to every user at Category:User lo for their help with this. I tried to guess at some of the characters, but with some of their vowels and such I was just spitballing and I do not want to do that. Chris 07:12, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a online dictionary of Lao terms? All we really need is the scout motto, right?--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 20:30, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have also put in that request to Peter Souvanna at the closest thing I could find to an online dictionary of Lao terms, and sent him the image with the scroll. Nothing thus far. Chris 07:59, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

While we're awaiting hearing about the Scout Motto, just some minor thoughts.

The red still needs brightened to match the flag.
The scroll should not have the thin black edge around it, unless that has something to do with how you will curve the text once you get it.
The scroll itself should be symmetrical. The left side of your variant looks crisper.
I do think there needs to be a thin (matching blue) edge divider around the character in the middle of the red section, else it gets lost on the white background.

Thank you once again! Chris 20:58, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This one just scroll symmetry from the left and the text, and we're done! You rock! Chris 05:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The scroll is symmetric (when flipped it is the same in inkscape at least), the petals are probably creating an illusion.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 12:30, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The shapes of the flowiness (word?) at each edge, and the lower tie-offs on each side are not symmetrical. Chris 05:09, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's the ticket! Wonderful! Chris 21:22, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The red tree and the letter need to be vertically stretched slightly. Other than that, the badge looks great. Kaptanteo 07:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So it's a tree? Do you know what type? Do you know what the text on the scroll says? Thanks! Chris 07:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea what kind of tree it is. The text on the scroll means "Be prepared" or "Be ready". The character in the middle of the badge is the first character of the word "ລາວ" (pronounced Lao), the country's colloquial name. Kaptanteo 21:58, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ຕຣຽມພຣ້ອມ (pronounced like เตรียมพร้อม in Thai) is what it said. Letter "້" should be over "ຣ" cause of font bug on some user. I also add this to the scout motto page. --Octra Bond 08:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Triam Phrom" /tliaːm˨ pʰlɔːm˦˩/ (Laotian reads their "r" as "l") = "Prepared", it refers to "Be Prepared". --Octra Bond 00:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that Octra Bond already got that. --Manop - TH 18:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Does the image I produced of the text look correct? Mike Dillon 18:36, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The image of the text looks correct. Kaptanteo 21:58, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can Mike's thicker text be used, like the b/w badge, or would that crowd the scroll? Chris 06:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I enlarged, I can do more if you like but it might start to compromise readability.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 17:52, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Beautiful, perfect, spot-on! Thank you! Chris 21:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Ethiopia Scout Association

small and grainy but shows present color scheme and proportions

small and grainy but shows present color scheme and proportions
larger line art showing text on scroll, 1970s shape and proportions

larger line art showing text on scroll, 1970s shape and proportions
larger line art showing text on scroll, 1970s shape and proportions svg version 1

larger line art showing text on scroll, 1970s shape and proportions svg version 1
Second update
I uploaded this for illustration, I think Rugby471 is correct in that the green trefoil should be large as he has it

I uploaded this for illustration, I think Rugby471 is correct in that the green trefoil should be large as he has it
The text: ዝግጁ ([zə.ɡə.dʒu], "ready")

File:EthiopiaScouts.svg

Article(s): Ethiopia Scout Association

Request: I would ask that the images again be merged, to show the text on the scroll from the line art, but with the color scheme of the smaller variant, and again to find a median size, and clean up the coloration to uniform. Chris 05:56, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Okay, i'll get to work on creating a vector. > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 15:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC) First update on it is above, I will continuing working on it (obviously), but if there is anything you object to, please say now. > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 16:17, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What a great start, thank you so much! I really like what you've done; I think the narrower left hand scaling is the more modern variant, however. At this point though I think either scaling will be great! Thanks again! Chris 16:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I created the alternate 1970's svg, but that lion thing is too small to make out.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 03:19, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The lion is the Lion of Judah. It can be seen in the old Ethiopian Empire flag here (Image:Flag of Ethiopia (1897).png is a smaller version). Mike Dillon 03:30, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks I will get on it. There is the lion, its rough because I had to base it off of a very pixelated image but I think if someone synthesizes the two it will be done. I can't download svgs for some reason so it will have to be someone else--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 04:36, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Uploaded a second update, changed the colors to match Cronholm's one and added the 'banner thing' at the bottom. Only thing now is the lion, unfortunately I can't do it as I don't have enough time. @Cronholm, if that is the finished lion then tell me and i'll put it in my SVG, if it isn't could you upload ( with your svg ) the finished one, cheers. > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 16:43, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Rugby, I will work on the lion tonight, I think that we should go with the colour scheme in the newest badge, the colours that I picked were awful and last minute. Also, looking at the new badge it appears that they are using the non-uniform star, should we switch? Anyway, I would go ahead and finish everything up by combining yours and mine for a final version but I can't download svg (or I just don't know how). So I think that we should combine my scroll and your trefoil. And maybe switch the stars, then its just a matter of adding the lion.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 17:36, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How to Download SVG's Discussion

Cool, as regards to downloading SVG, there are two ways,

1) (I see you are using Firefox) go to the SVG's page, and below the image where it says ****.svg‎ (file size: 133 KB, MIME type: image/svg+xml) and right click on that, and select Save link as and you have your SVG!

2) Go to the SVG's page, and below the image where it says ****.svg‎ (file size: 133 KB, MIME type: image/svg+xml) and left click on that, and on the new page displaying the SVG (we are not on wikipedia any more) right click and select View Page Source, there you have the SVG code, now paste all of this into a text document and remember to save it as a .svg, and you have your SVG !

> Rugby471 ^talk ⚔

Unfortunately my computer doesn't give svg as an option, and that is at the heart of my troubles. I think it is the fact that I use Vista...sigh.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 21:42, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, Windows in general has no built-in SVG support. If you use Opera, then you'll have built-in SVG support in your browser. I'm not sure about Firefox. Alternatively, you can download the file by right-clicking the link underneath the image preview on the image page and clicking Save As…. Then you can open the image in an SVG editor such as Inkscape. Stannered 22:26, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can only "save as" in png format for svgs.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 22:50, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just tried in Firefox and it seemed to work. You need to click the image to go to its image description page, then underneath the preview of the image you will see

This is a lossless scalable vector image. Base size: x × y pixels.(filename).svg‎ (file size: z KB, MIME type: image/svg+xml)

Right-click the link to (filename).svg and hit "Save Link As...". Re-reading the thread it seems this is almost identical to the instructions given by User:Rugby471. I can only assume that you're not correctly getting to the image description page? I am 99.8% sure that this is not a Vista problem. Stannered 00:09, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I love how you guys cooperate, this is Wikipedia at its best! I am so glad I came here! One last suggestion if I may, then this one is good to go. Cronholm's version incorporates everything nicely, could we more center the stars in the red areas, like Rugby's version? You rock! Chris 07:53, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Got it! Thanks for your patience. I was misreading your concise instructions, completely my fault.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 11:04, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Corrected colors and added the Lion to my Version > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 06:57, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is nigh perfect! Thank you so much to all! I have put in a language request to every user at Category:User am for their help with the text on the scroll itself; maybe we can get a transliteration out of it as well, as Akiramenai has so graciously done with the Farsi text below. Chris 07:40, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like this:

ዝግጁ

Not that I know any Ge'ez or Amharic, though (not really sure which Ethiopic language this is). Mike Dillon 14:59, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It would be Amharic, Ge'ez was an earlier language. Thanks for doing that, Mike, that's a really good educated ge'ez. ;) Chris 17:01, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like "ዝግጁ" is actually a word; at least it gets a couple thousand hits on Google: ዝግጁ. This link from AmharicDictionary.com says that it is pronounced [zə.ɡə.dʒu] and that it means "ready", which fits with the "Be Prepared" motto of the Scouts. Mike Dillon 18:20, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've created an SVG version of this word with the text converted to a path. Wikimedia doesn't have the font installed to render this otherwise. See Image:Zegeju.svg. I placed my part of creating it in the public domain, so feel free to integrate it into the other two SVGs. Mike Dillon 18:51, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay I'll put them in > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔

This is really coming out nicely, yeah, GraphicsLab! Three thoughts:

Please even out both sides of the green scroll-the wraparound on the right side is cleaner looking as it shows it to be three dimensional
- Do you want symmetry? the scroll is already "3d" on both sides and is proportioned exactly as the original was.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 16:42, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am wondering if the rounded scroll at the bottom of Image:EthiopiaScoutbadge.jpg should also be added to the image, and have written Matt@amharicdictionary.com about the text on it
Now that Mike has come up with the exact character shapes, they differ slightly from the line drawing I provided originally. Can the exact shapes be made yellow and put right on the scroll itself? Chris 08:09, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've put the text in both SVG's and uploaded mine to Commons (should have done that first, but if forgot :-) ) Check the Commons version of mine (under same name as wikipedia one) as it is up to date! > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 08:14, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chris has asked me to help with the letters in the artwork. Well, "ዝግጁ" does mean "ready" in Amharic. I don't know how else I can help, but I'll be glad to. Elfalem 15:21, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think Chris also wanted to know what it says on the bottom of Image:EthiopiaScoutbadge.jpg. Mike Dillon 16:32, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think we be done. Thanks for the upload Rugby, I was halfway through drawing the characters when I noticed it had already been done. :) I wonder if the rounded scroll is necessary... if it is we will need a trans.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 16:10, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You guys are amazing! Yes, please, I would like symmetry (on all five national emblems), bear in mind the Ethiopian black-and-white was originally had drawn, very well but asymmetrically. I will be proceding further with Elfalem to determine what the lower rounded scroll says and what characters are used, that will determine whether it is an integral part of the emblem or something interchangeable. If it ends up saying something like "Ethiopian Scout Association", it is necessary. If it says "Cub Scout" or "Good Job" or something, then we don't need it. Thanks for putting up with me on all this. Chris 20:15, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The lower scroll says "ኢትዮጵያ" which is literally, "Ethiopia" Elfalem 20:33, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much, that's great! Okay, based on that, I don't know whether it needs to be on the emblem or not; what do all of you think? I really appreciate your help! Chris 20:50, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will add it in for comparison, give me 10 minutes--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 21:05, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 21:44, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's great! The fourth character should be centered between the third and fifth. Also, for contrast, what would you say to making the bottom scroll the same green as the trefoil? The yellow and white don't show well together. Chris 22:41, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This one is also almost done, I appreciate your hard work! The white below and on both sides of the emblem needs removed, then this one is done. Chris 05:18, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely perfect, thank you! Chris 06:45, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see you don't need any more help with Amharic translations here - but let me know if you need something in the future Alcinoe 16:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Image:Georgia. Flag of National Guard.gif

File:Georgia. Standard of Chief of General Staff.gif
File:Georgia. Standard of Minister of Defence.gif
PNG Version
PNG Version
SVG Version, anyone feel free to finish
SVG Version, anyone feel free to finish
SVG Version2, anyone feel free to finish
SVG Version2, anyone feel free to finish

Article(s): Military of Georgia (country)

Request: There seems to be a bug in these files. The stars / crosses are ok at full size, but they appear misshaped when the images are shrunk to gallery size. Any help would be great. Valentinian ^{T / C} 01:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: I see what you mean, I might as well convert them to svg, they'll be a lot more useful in Wikipedia and it should get rid of any bugs. > Rugby471 ^talk 06:52, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds wonderful. Thanks a lot. Btw, if you create vectors of the crowned shield and the crosses, you'll have the main components of image:Georgia. Main Military flag.gif as well. Valentinian ^{T / C} 22:26, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, turning them into SVG's proved a little more difficult than I anticipated, the only thing that is holding me back, is the crown and the emblem in the middle of the crest. Currently I don't have enough time on my hands to draw them, so what I have done is converted the images to PNG ( that should sort out any bugs ) and uploaded two work in progresses of the SVG's, if any other Graphists sees this, feel free to pick up where I left off on the SVG side of things. Again sorry I couldn't do the SVG's. > Rugby471 ^talk 09:36, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The pngs were also very helpful. Thanks for the help. Valentinian ^{T / C} 00:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've had a go at the emblem in the middle, and updated one of the SVGs. I've put a slight outline on all the shapes, for consistency with the GIFs, but also because the finer details look better with an outline, and I thought it would be better to be consistent.

It's just the crown that needs vectorising there now. I don't know if it can be copied from another image somewhere, but it would be a bit of a pain to vectorise using the GIF's resolution. CountingPine 17:50, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The same crown appears on Image:Georgia_coa.png which has a higher resolution. Valentinian ^{T / C} 17:56, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

@CountingPine good job vectorising those emblems, I've added the emblem to the other SVG > Rugby471 ^talk 16:34, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, the white parts of image:Georgia. Standard of Minister of Defence.svg are actually transparent. They should be converted to plain white. The other image doesn't have this problem. Valentinian ^{T / C} 17:12, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done > Rugby471 ^talk 18:30, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just to be a complete pain in the neck :) The shield has one tiny error: the two ends of the band cross each other NE of the sword, but the original image shows the left-hand end of the band on top of the right-hand end. The opposite is the case here. Valentinian ^{T / C} 09:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not at all, thanks for pointing it out. I'd designed the ribbon with that in mind, but somewhere along the line I must have just messed up the order. a bit. I'll upload a new version. Thanks. CountingPine 16:09, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added a rough crown.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 16:42, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crap... I should have read the conversation... I based my crown on the png... I will remake--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 16:55, 29 June 2007 (UTC) I added a new crown--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 18:10, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, I was also working on a crown for the flag. I've uploaded it for the Minister of Defence flag (the one with the red crosses), version 1, so people can have a look at it. CountingPine 23:52, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yours is better. How did you figure out the details?--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 00:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I mainly based it on Image:Georgian_COA.jpg. It's by no means a perfect reproduction, but it looks OK at the standard resolution. CountingPine 19:28, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Pine, why don't you just insert your crown into the images and We can consider this case closed. --Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 06:52, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, done. I've also replaced the images with their SVG versions on the original page, and marked the GIF and PNG versions as obsolete. CountingPine 13:14, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Scouting in Burma

These next four requests are related, the Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting has articles on Scouting in every country, and I am writing those on the nations that Scouting has been suppressed in or where it has lain dormant in for years. Most modern Scout organizations have made readily available good-quality legible variants of their national emblems for educational purposes such as Wikipedia. For defunct or dormant organizations, generally the only images available are poor photocopies passed from hand to hand, or scans of decades-old patches where the insignia is not clear or bright. We have good images for Mainland China, Vietnam and Cuba, but lack in some other areas. With the exception of Ethiopia, all of these are not-presently-in-use, and based on the governments the copyrights may or may not be valid, but with the improvements I am asking for, these would be Wikipedia renditions separate from any copyrighted variant. Our goal is to have these emblems available on Commons once there are usable variants of them. Someday these nations will have their Scouts back, and we want to provide them with good histories they can use as they rebuild.

Our project facilitator has given you guys The Scouting Barnstar on the talk page here, thank you all! Chris 05:30, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

shows the griffin-like supporters that need to be in red along both sides of the central petal

shows the griffin-like supporters that need to be in red along both sides of the central petal
text for the scroll
text for the scroll
File:Burmanewer.svg
to illustrate where there are a couple of minor discrepancies

to illustrate where there are a couple of minor discrepancies

File:Burmanewer.svg

Article(s): Scouting in Burma

Request: I would ask that the image be enlarged to show detail, the green brightened up so as not to show as black on some monitors, the details on the griffins crisped-up to show detail, and the text on the scroll also made clearer. Chris 05:56, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ps-if it would help, you can completely leave off the green ovoid background, so as to highlight the emblem itself. Thanks! Chris 16:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Do you need an exact copy of the griffin but optimized, or do you want it recolored also? Akiramenai 08:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't have to be an exact copy, that was just the best one I could find to show detail. It does need to be in red, though. There is another image at Chinthe if it would help. And thank you so much for this! Chris 16:32, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I made the svg of the text but I don't know how to get it to bend, if someone can do that and put it in the pic, all that would be left is the finalisation.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 15:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, as in the request above, could you enlarge the image to show detail? Image:Laos.jpg below, at 167 × 219 pixels, 100px, is a really good size for details. And for the chinthe to show up well, a brighter red, rather than the maroon, might look crisper. Perhaps red body with maroon outlining? :) Thanks again, folks, you are wonderful! Chris 07:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll get on it.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 11:36, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

BTW if you specify the pixel count you can make the image as large or as small as you want.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 16:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That is so nice, I love it! If I have not thanked you personally, thank you!

A couple things have jumped out at me, and I have created Image:Burma-1coloredin.jpg to illustrate what I am talking about. (I had to do it as a jpg as I cannot make svgs work on my computer; I see there is discussion of that here.) The space below the griffins (marked in purple to show) is not actually a rectangle; it's just very tiny, but it is where the left, center and right petals are drawn together but still remain slightly separate. I wish I could explain better.
The other thing I see (and you probably already had this in mind to mirror later), but the bottom parts of the fleur-de-lis and the two sides of the scroll (marked with red asterisks) are not symmetrical in shape to one another. Both shapes are good, and your guess is as good as mine, but it needs to be symmetrical.

Also, I did not know you could enlarge svgs like that; thank you for showing me! I so appreciate your hard work on my behalf! Chris 06:21, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's great, you got it! Thanks! The only remaining thing I see aside from adding the text is to even out both sides of the scroll (which also seem to be slightly different on the Ethiopian, Laotian and Iranian images). The rounder, taller right side should be the one duplicated. Chris 07:50, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and please trim off all the surrounding excess white edging, it will make the image appear smaller in the articles if left on. :) Chris 21:01, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bueno! Just the text, now, and this one will be complete! Thank you so much! Chris 22:38, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Witin sight of the finish line-on the second and last characters, the c-shaped diacritical marks should not be touching the character beneath them. The white below the emblem needs removed, then this one is done and you guys will have less cause to hate me! :)

The white rmval will come last... I don't know if there is a way to keep the spaces and have a uniform pic. Look closely at the raw you provided. There are no spaces. As for the hate, I took an oath to give back more than it gave to me... so it's really the least I can do.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 12:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On the text I put and the one you reformatted, there are clearly spaces between both sets of characters. When either image is expanded, the spaces are clear. Perhaps I am not explaining myself well. Above the second character, and again above the last character, there are c shapes, not connected to the main letter. These should also not be connected in the image itself. Chris 02:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Look at the green emblem you provided...no spaces there just isn't room unless I scale down the whole thing but it will look wierd. --Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 02:40, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I get it now, sorry, I didn't follow. Bear in mind that badge is a 45+ year old little thing the size of a thumb-knuckle, they didn't have the technology to split the letters well then. Nowadays most patches are done by computer. For the sake of correctness, I would ask you to scale the text just slightly, say 5/10 percent. It may not mean much to us, but to them that's their language. Chris 04:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also perfect! Stunning work! Thank you so much! Chris 07:09, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Persatuan Pandu Puteri Malaysia

b/w line art which also shows Guide Motto

b/w line art which also shows Guide Motto
File:Pppm.svg

Article(s): Persatuan Pandu Puteri Malaysia

Request: Please combine the two, larger size and text of the b/w with the color scheme of the pink one. Chris 05:06, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

Improved SVG version of Persatuan Pandu Puteri Malaysia image Released into Public Domain Preaction 07:30, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can't get it to open at the site that it's at. Thank you ahead of time, though! Chris 07:37, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can, I will upload it.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 12:56, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yo Preaction, I left the licensing for you. Cheers--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 12:59, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, this one is great, and complete! Chris 20:27, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DonePoole Longspee Charter

Original
Retouched

Article(s):Poole

Request: I took this image a few days ago unfortunately there are spoltlights all over the image and the lighting is bad. Not to mention the charter is at an odd angle. I'd appreciate anyone who could try and clean up the image and/or seperate the actual charter from the bricks/spotlights etc. Thank you so much! LordHarris

Graphist opinion: Sorry to say, but the best way to improve that image is to retake it. A very talented photoshopist may be able to do something, but a genuine picture is much better for that kind of thing. If you are able to retake the picture, that would be my suggested course of action. --BsayUSD [Talk] [contribs] 19:51, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Any specific advice? I'd assume that a straight on shot (If possible) would be preferred... 68.39.174.238 01:16, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Before you go having to take another picture, see if the retouch is satisfying. -- VegitaU 02:08, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi that retouch looks much better and the light reflections are gone. Great work and many thanks. I'll change it on the Poole article. Thanks again. LordHarris 09:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

VegitaU, looks like you're a very talented photoshopist by my definition, keep up the great work! --BsayUSD [Talk] [contribs] 21:20, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks.

-- VegitaU 22:07, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Sedevacante coatofarms

File:Ombrellino-keys.jpg

Article(s): Way too many, including almost every papal conclave one, the template for them (!), and sede vacante.

Request: That a SVG free image be created to replace this noxious fair-use one. The Image:Emblem of the Papacy.svg has the keys and ring in it, so it could be used as a starting place, with someone coming up with the umbrella. 68.39.174.238 11:39, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

I will start work now--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 11:44, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yay! A-symmetrical and low-res my favorite. I will have something by tomorrow bout this time or before. Cheers--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 12:33, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

added pic, prob due to a known error just keep clicking till you get to the image. The problem won't be there with the finished product.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 14:35, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Possible solution: Save as a plain SVG in Inkscape. If there are any blurs or things this can also interfere. Also, would this new image also be fair-use? --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 15:31, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think so, mostly because that image itself has to be ancient, however I wouldn't know how closely you tried to copy the original image. 68.39.174.238 15:43, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I went a little crazy with the shading, and I know it isn't uniform. I figured I'd give you a variety.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 03:15, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You may wish to upload this to commons, they have two images, Image:Sede vacante.png (Fair use on Commons!) and Image:Pavillon pontifical.png, an "inferior" version. Thanx. 68.39.174.238 12:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What errancy, never mind, I just realized it WAS on Commons to begin with. Ick. Thanx for the SVG though. 68.39.174.238 12:23, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If is okay with you I am going to finish, I have a feeling that the base pics are going to get deleted from commons--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 06:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It looks fine now, but if you want to keep refining it that's fine, I think... 68.39.174.238 17:50, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done A bunch of small icons for a list

Least Concern	Near Threatened	Vulnerable	Endangered	Critically Endangered	Extinct in the Wild	Extinct	Data Deficient	Not Evaluated
File:Fl mammals lc.png	File:Fl mammals nt.png	File:Fl mammals vu.png	File:Fl mammals en.png	File:Fl mammals cr.png	File:Fl mammals ew.png	File:Fl mammals ex.png	File:Fl mammals dd.png	File:Fl mammals nd.png

Article(s):List of wild mammal species in Florida

Request: I was looking to improve those pictures somehow. They came from , and I am using them in a table (other than the one above). Somebody said that they look "awful". I guess it would be good to keep the same look as they came from the original svg, but this is not an absolute requirement. Thanks for the help!--Legionarius 16:03, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Shouldn't take but a moment--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 16:05, 20 July 2007 (UTC) The text is off center, but I am too lazy to fix it. :) someone else can or you can download inkscape and adjust them yourself--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 16:25, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!! That was super fast.--Legionarius 16:32, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can isolate the originals, if you prefer those.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 16:43, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think is better? I was trying to keep the same look, because those icons are used in a number of taxonomy articles across WP. I was trying to find the same fond for the two extra "gray" I did, byt I am not good in this.--Legionarius 18:31, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look now.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 19:03, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looking great! Thanks!!!--Legionarius 19:49, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I tweaked the gray ones, the reason that none of them looked right at first is complicated and annoying(media wiki engine). Anyways I think thats about it. Come by anytime.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 19:55, 20 July 2007 (UTC) BTW you can now scale the images to any size by indicating the desired number of pixels.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 19:56, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hope you don't mind, I've retweaked the grey ones to use the same font face as the rest of the set. Cheers, Stannered 20:25, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mind??? This is a collaboration, I believe thanks are in order...Thanks, looks much better :)--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 00:53, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to both! Ny article is looking much better. What was the Font btw?--Legionarius 01:33, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I used FreeSans Bold, as FreeSans was mentioned in the original image for the captions (although it renders as Bitstream Vera Sans on MediaWiki, so I converted it to paths as was done in the original for the two-letter codes). Stannered 04:54, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks :-)--Legionarius 19:12, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Lightbulb image

File:Ktip.png

Articles: Template:Wider attention

Request: SVGify maybe? As it's currently used on that template, it's very badly blown up. 68.39.174.238 12:07, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

I will take care of it, BTW please use the template at the top of the page--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 16:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

~~If the background isn't white there could be a problem. Let me know if I need to adjust.~~--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 16:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind it is solid now. I reset the gradient styling.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 17:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The name of this image implies that it's part of an icon set. If so, there may be an SVG already available somewhere. This would probably be preferable to use, but at the least, the source of the image should be found so it can be put on the image details. CountingPine 18:06, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is the icon for the KDE program Ktip, I installed it on my system, but the SVG wasn't much, infact the one Cronholm has made is much better, no need to worry about if there is an SVG out there now. > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 18:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, I found a link to the icon, and there does seem to be a disparity between the SVG and the 64*64 PNG. The new SVG is indeed better. I've updated the details for both versions and put the 64*64 PNG as the original source. CountingPine 01:39, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think we can consider this one finished. CountingPine 15:46, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done "Wallpaper" templateicon

How about just using this for {{wallpaper}}
Wide version

Articles: None, but a ton of images via Template:wallpaper.

Request: Basically an image that gets the point across without using any potentially copyrighted elements (See image talk page for the concerns of this one). 68.39.174.238 01:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion: How about just changing {{wallpaper}} to use an existing free image like Image:Video-display.svg? Mike Dillon 01:57, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you've changed it. It looks like there are a few more places where the old image is being used:

I thought it might be cool to make a "widescreen" version of Image:Video-display.svg, so I had a go at it as Image:Video-display-wide.svg. Mike Dillon 02:10, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, just added some translucent arrows to make it obvious Mike.

Edit: Took the image off all articles on Commons ( where necessary ) > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔

Done Map of Yellowknife, NWT - SVG issue

Yellowknife Map

Article(s):

Request: Bit of a different request today: This image looked fine in Illustrator, but when I uploaded it to Wikipedia, the bottom half of the land area gets cut off. Could anyone help me with this? Thanks. -YK Times^talk 22:28, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: It looks like the land layer was misaligned with the ocean and text overlay. How does it look now? Mike Dillon 23:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Mike. Maybe I had exported it wrong, but the bottom layer of land was aligned properly, but rather just cut off; the dot for Yellowknife was located correctly. I went back into Illustrator, and re-saved the map, and it came out fine this time. Thanks for your help though. -YK Times^talk 14:55, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. Mike Dillon 14:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Beeching II Map

Because of the success of that (Central Citylink) map- could you do the same to this image:

A simplified version (like the Citylink map) would be find, but could you keep it in the shape of the UK as far as possible? The original image is probably unsuitable for the same reasons, although it has not been marked as such.

Many thanks, Dewarw 17:44, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Uhh, Has anyone helped you? If they haven't I can start now.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 21:42, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done, except for one island.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 02:10, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good! Would it be possible for you to put any of the place names on the map? If you could, it would be a great help. Thanks again, Dewarw 18:43, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can't read the place names, I will need a list or higher resolution--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 19:53, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the map in a higher resolution. It is in three parts. If you still cannot get all of the names then I will be able to write them. Dewarw 21:28, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

File:Mappart2.png

File:Mappart3.png

Here are the names. If it looks like I have missed one please say, or use the higher resolution images. They are top to bottom. Where two/three are at the same level, they are listed side by side. I would only use these names as a last resort as there might be small mistakes.

ELGIN
INVERNESS
ABERDEEN
MONTROSE
DUNDEE
PERTH
STIRLING
DUNFERMLINE
GLASGOW
EDINBURGH
BERWICK-UPON-TWEED
CARSTAIRS
KILMARNOCK
AYR
DUMFRIES
CARLISLE
STRANRAER SUNDERLAND
NEWCASTLE
WORKINGTON
MIDDLESBROUGH
DARLINGTON
NORTHALLERTON
SCARBOROUGH
BARROW
HEYSHAM HARROGATE
YORK
LEEDS
BLACKPOOL BRADFORD HULL
GRIMSBY
DONCASTER
LIVERPOOL MANCHESTER
SHEFFIELD
HOLYHEAD
LINCOLN
CHESTER
CREWE
STOKE
DERBY
GRANTHAM
NOTTINGHAM KINGS LYNN
STAFFORD YARMOUTH
NORWICH
SHREWSBURY LEICESTER
WOLVERHAMPTON PETERBOROUGH
BIRMINGHAM ELY
RUGBY
NORTHAMPTON
WORCESTER
CAMBRIDGE
IPSWICH
BANBURY
HEREFORD
BLETCHLEY COLCHESTER HARWICH
FISHGUARD HARBOUR
GLOUCESTER
CARMARTHEN
OXFORD
MILFORD HAVEN WATFORD
SWANSEA DIDCOT SOUTHEND-ON-SEA
NEWPORT
LONDON
SWINDON
BRISTOL
READING
CARDIFF
BATH
WESTBURY GUILFORD ASHFORD DOVER
FOLKSTONE
SALISBURY WINCHESTER
TAUNTON
HASTINGS
YEOVIL SOUTHAMPTON HASTINGS
EXETER BOURNEMOUTH NEWHAVEN EASTBOURNE
WEYMOUTH
PLYMOUTH
PENZANCE

Did you trace that manually? I think we have fairly precise SVG outlines of Britain around here somewhere... ¦ Reisio 02:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, as a last resort. Unfortunately, the accurate svg Britain we have on commons doesn't match well with the Britain in the pic (railroads into the ocean). The country must have changed shape! :)--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 03:21, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot, it is coming on really well. I don't mean to be picky, but I have spotted a few slips. Unfortunately on the map "R"s look like "A"s so it is "Perth" not "Peath."

Others:

Harwich, not Warwick.
Fishguard Harbour, not Harbor.
Hastings, not Hasting
Southend on Sea not Southead

I am really grateful for this, Dewarw 16:48, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done, I will upload momentarily--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 20:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, I've added in the islands shown on the original (to make it look 'right') and fixed a typo (Kilmanrock -> Kilmarnock). Time3000 12:31, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Awful scan of old engraving

Article: Attock

Request: To me that looks like a horrendous scan of an old image, but I don't know if anything can be done for it. If not, I would request possibly it be deleted as an awful blurry thing. 68.39.174.238 15:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: I think the best thing that can be done for it is to reupload the source version at its original size. It's a shame the original was uploaded at such low quality. CountingPine 13:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The source image is the same low quality. Question is where the image came from in the first place. Valentinian ^{T / C} 13:16, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Should be be deleted as "no source" ? 68.39.174.238 12:48, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Map of rabies, etc

Source GIF

Source GIF
Base SVG Map
SVG with no text

Articles: Rabies

Request: An SVG-image, which correct applications of information, and a little text in the image as possible. You may wish to preserve the existing image as an example of what SHOULDN'T be done with a map! 68.39.174.238 15:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion: That shouldn't be too hard. Would it be okay to base it on the blank world map (see above)? Also, are there any preferences as to colours? I'll have a go at creating an initial SVG. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 17:54, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Due to the sheer size of the Base SVG (WOW) I'm having some problems editing it in Inkscape, and I don't really know how to edit it as XML. I'll just trace the original and see if that is acceptable. My apologies. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 18:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First Upload: How's that? --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 20:28, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The base SVG file is pretty straightforward to edit for something like this, since the <g> or <path> elements representing the top-level object for each country are identified by their ISO country codes. For example, Australia has id="au" on it. Mike Dillon 03:48, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No good, while it's an SVG and doesn't have the text, it's still no good. "Singapore" is still about 500 times too large. Are you sure the blank world map is no good? Also, as to the colors, you could probably keep the grey and white and just fill in the requisite countries in green on it. 68.39.174.238 12:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've done a very simple version without the text. Unfortunately, Guam doesn't show up at all (it's just too small) - I don't know whether this is important or not. The text shouldn't be too hard to add when I (or someone else) gets the opportunity. Time3000 13:00, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect! 68.39.174.238 15:16, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for being useless and having a slow PC. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 15:20, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's fine. I suspect that tracing could be deleted now though, since the newer SVG has been substituted. 68.39.174.238 12:13, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There's a note on the original image's page suggesting Australia should no longer be on an accurate, up-to-date map. ¦ Reisio 07:05, 15 July 2007 (UTC) [reply]

"Holy See" coatofarms

Articles: Coat of arms of the Holy See and others

Request: This one should be easy: The Coat of Arms of the H.S. is just the Vatican City coatofarms with the colors of they keys interchanged and the cord done in gold (Image:Coa Vatican.svg). 68.39.174.238 12:12, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Do you want us to colour the png and upload or an svg?--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 12:33, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, just screw with the SVG of the Vatican's coat of arms, since it's the same thing but with two colors difference. The PNG is some fairuse thing that I'm trying to supplant with a free SVG. 68.39.174.238 16:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It has been screwed with.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 06:57, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent, all articeluses replaced. 68.39.174.238 13:19, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the deletion notice from the original image. I remember a debate on WP:HV where the two images were described as similar but that something differed about the positioning of the cord. The original image's talk page carried the following comment: (quote) The arms of the Holy See, blazoned as follows: Gules, two keys in saltire or and argent, interlaced in the rings or, beneath a tiara argent, crowned or. This achievement is the only one I've found that conforms precisely to the blazon and was created by Bruno Bernard Heim, herald for John XXIII and John Paul I. (unquote). The main thing is, the blazon does not mention the keys being tied together. If the blazon doesn't mention it, then the keys should be depicted as in the fair use image. In any case, this one needs more researching. Valentinian ^{T / C} 18:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've placed a comment on WP:HV asking for more information about the details of this insignia. Valentinian ^{T / C} 19:18, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've dropped a note to WP:CATHOLIC as well. Don't know why I forgot to do so in the first place. Valentinian ^{T / C} 09:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"New Sweden"

Found this one later

Articles: New Sweden and Swedish colonial empire

Request: An SVG if possible, however anything could probably be better. 68.39.174.238 17:53, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion: Just for reference: we also have image:Kartskiss över Nya Sverige.png which is nicer, but some may like an image that also shows the modern U.S. states. Valentinian ^{T / C} 21:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent, I didn't know about that one. Anyway, if someone can make/find an SVG equivalent of this one, that would be nice, however in the mean time I think that is preferable on several counts to the present one... 68.39.174.238 23:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't like maps all that much, but if someone doesn't bite in a couple of days I will take care of it.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 20:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Scottish Parliament building

Article(s):Prince's Palace of Monaco

Request: See above Mcginnly | Natter 10:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Same here, no real need for conversion to svg. We certainly can but this should be last on a very long list.

No problem guys - I thought this one particularly was a bit 'lossy' but if you think its ok we can delete this request. regards --Mcginnly | Natter 23:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

With both of these I think SVG would be the ideal format, though I agree that it's not a priority. But if not SVG, then it would be better to have them as PNGs instead of JPEGs. See Wikipedia:Preparing images for upload. CountingPine 00:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Erie, Pennsylvania — easy ones

result

result
result

result
source for center of seal and flag

Articles: Erie, Pennsylvania

Request: SVGification. Note that the "Coat of Arms" in the center of both is, in fact, as far as I can tell, the same one as one the State Flag, which is already an SVG. 68.39.174.238 15:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

File:Erie seal.svg

...That flag is not an svg. Do you know of one that is?--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 12:35, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This one? 68.39.174.238 16:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I wasn't reading closely enough (I thought when you linked the flag it was the some one I was looking at).--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 06:50, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Dave, could you do some PoP on the seal, Also, the lines deformed when I uploaded and I don't know why.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 08:34, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, thanks for noticing! When I have time, I'll have a go at that. However, wouldn't it be simpler to use text on path (Text Menu/Put on Path), or is there a problem with MediaWiki? --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 10:30, 15 July 2007 (UTC) Also, the lines look fine to me in Inkscape.... --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 10:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It must be mediawiki, maybe it would work if I saved it as a non inkscape svg?--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 10:54, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's generally the best idea when uploading Inkscape SVGs, I find. Also, if some of the circle/lines are ellipses, maybe converting them to a path would help. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 11:25, 15 July 2007 (UTC) Also, flowed text and mediawiki don't get along well... --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 11:29, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I uploaded an image to commons, but it has the same problems as this one; I'm going to have my dinner, and try PoP later. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 11:45, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds good, the other option is the good ol' one letter...rotate...place letter...again... method. :)--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 11:58, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Now that I've thought about it, PoP would just do the same as text on path, but (in the XML) generate a path rather than text, so it would be same as converting the text to a path. The only problem with this is that defining the text as a path might increase the file size, and it would be difficult to edit after. I've done this, but if the result is impractical then it's time to move and rotate lots of text(!) --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 12:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whoa there's something weird going on.... The text is rendered fine (except for the one I forgot to convert to a path), and the circles are messed up lots. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 13:16, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed that by using nested circles (fill only) with no border. The border of circles, when converted to a path, freaks out for some reason.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 13:34, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What, so stroked circles are useless? This would be a lot easier if mediawiki used the same engine to render as Inkscape, or one that actually renders SVG properly. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 14:48, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and yes. We will just have to deal for now though.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 15:37, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh... I will try to have these done by tomorrow.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 01:43, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing as 'tomorrow' was a long time ago, I'll try and finish this off for Cronholm. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 13:04, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There's the seal done, I'll work on the flag ASAP. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 15:38, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just noticed the centre of the SVG seal is lightly different colour-wise when compared with the .JPG seal, that'll need fixing. Cronholm, I hope you enjoyed your holidays!

Ack! Vacation came sooner than expected... but I am back now. However, it looks like Dave has things under control.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 11:20, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I adjusted the coloration of parts of the seal and changed the horses white. --Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 02:30, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that! I just uploaded the flag SVG: Any Comments? --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 10:39, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

File:Erie flag.svg

Thanks for making SVGs of the flag and seal of Erie (I don't know how to create SVG images or I would have made them myself), but (don't know if anyone else noticed) the word "incorporated" on the seal is spelled wrong. It's spelled "incorperated", it should have an "o" instead. --Dtbohrer^{talk•contribs} 17:23, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That would be my fault. I'll fix that right away - shouldn't be too hard. Also, if you are interested about creating SVGs, you might want to take a look at Inkscape. It's free software that I (and most of the other Wikigraphists, I think) use Inkscape to make SVG images. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 18:36, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've install Inkscape twice before, both times I tried and thought god this is complicated and uninstalled it. Maybe third times the charm. --Dtbohrer^{talk•contribs} 18:54, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling Mistake fixed. Anything else, any comments? (Especially from 68.39.174.238). --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 21:22, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent work, all of you. 68.39.174.238 16:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done The War: Defence of Paris - Students Going to Man the Fortifications

Article(s): Franco-Prussian War, Les Miserables (based on the Franco-Prussian War and Paris Commune, after all)

Request: -- Please stitch these two images together! It's too big for me to scan in one go. I've scanned them quite large - 400dpi when 300 dpi is usually quite sufficient, so you may want to shrink them a tiny bit, although I wouldn't do so excessively, much under 300dpi and you get Moire and loss of details. And, yes, I know: I named them funny, with that Image- at the start. Lose that in the final version. Sorry! Adam Cuerden ^talk 21:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Okay Right on it > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 07:09, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Adam Cuerden ^talk 13:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, got a little tired of waiting. There's my attempt to the right. Tell me what you think. -- VegitaU 14:10, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. Looks good, though we're going to have to downsample it to about 3/4ths the original size for use on Wikipedia, thanks to that thumbnail bug. It's a little tilted - Probably in my original scans, since I was trying to get them to line up well with each other, not necessarily with the edges of the paper. Could possibly up the contrast a tiny bit to make the background pure white. Stitching is very good:I can't spot the stitch, so =) Adam Cuerden ^talk 17:52, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Image help - Redstone's cornerstone jpeg

File:MVC-275F.JPG
VegitaU's attempt

Article(s):

Redstone Building

Request: Great image but doesn't read well in article(s). Could be cropped a bit a the top (keeping some of the redstone brick visible) and is there anything to make the engraved text "pop" more? Any help appreciated. Benjiboi 11:08, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: I'm on it... see what a little Photoshop will do. -- VegitaU 11:46, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here's what it looks like at 375 px like on the article

All right, done. -- VegitaU 12:38, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Rotate

Article(s): none yet

Request: This will probably take a Wikigraphist about five minutes once they stop laughing at how simple it is, but I can't figure out how to rotate this picture. I can rotate it in my image viewer on my computer, but images aren't really my thing and I don't know how to modify the actual file. I don't have any image software so, even if I did know how, I probably don't have the right tools.-- Natalie 00:16, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: I got this, don't worry. -- VegitaU 00:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done! -- VegitaU 00:24, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Redone losslessly, using XnView. (Smaller file size; no loss of image quality) CountingPine 14:41, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet. I promise someday I'll learn. Natalie 00:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry about it Natalie, if everyone knew how to do these kinds things we would be out of work.:) @Vegita: Three for three. Nice work! Cheers--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 00:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Cronholm. Leave the Photoshoppin to me, I'll leave the SVG'in to you. Oh, and welcome back. How was the vacation?

-- VegitaU 00:35, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Great! Colorado is beautiful this time of year. :)--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 00:38, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Franco-Prussian War - Cafe

Image:Franco-Prussian_War-_Illustrated_London_News,_September_17,_1870_-_Discussing_the_War_in_a_Paris_Café - right.PNG Image:Franco-Prussian_War-_Illustrated_London_News,_September_17,_1870_-_Discussing_the_War_in_a_Paris_Café - left.PNG

Article(s): Franco-Prussian War, Siege of Paris, etc.

Request: Another simple piece-together that I just don't have the software for. I don't think it'll be too difficult, and I feel a right idiot for having to ask. Sorry! It might benefit a bit from straightening, though it's not too far off. Also, it might need shrunk down a tiny bit to get it within size limits - probably not too much, though, as this one isn't full-page like the last one: it was surrounded by a discussion of T.H. Huxley, of all things. -- Adam Cuerden ^talk 08:09, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: I'll get on this. vlad§inger ^tlk 11:29, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I think I got it. I can't upload it just yet though, I have to leave the house. I'll get it up around one pm eastern time. vlad§inger ^tlk 11:35, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I get tired of waiting; sorry. Here's the upload to the right. Let me know what ye think. -- VegitaU 14:41, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Heh. Next time, I'm going to have to upload several of these at once: You lads tend to trip over each other a bit =) It looks good. I cleaned up some dirt on the image and re-uploaded, but that's a fault of the original scans (hard to clean up something in two halves) Adam Cuerden ^talk 14:55, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I did mine first! :). Do you have any more of these? vlad§inger ^tlk 18:37, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Heh. Only a couple reams. It's fun being an amateur scholar. Adam Cuerden ^talk 01:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done A map of Goree

Articles: Goree

Request: If possible, an SVG map of the place, if not, something less pixelated or of higher resolution. If absolutely nothing else, a better scale marking that doesn't equate 500 yards with 500 meters! 68.39.174.238 16:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion: I'm nearly done with this. vlad§inger ^tlk 18:38, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Uploading... vlad§inger ^tlk 18:52, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There! How's that? vlad§inger ^tlk 18:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. Maybe just a tiny bit more whitespace on the left? "Bandstand" runs a bit close to the left border. Also, the Bandstand line could be a bit more horizontal, I suppose. But don't worry about me. I don't even know what Goree is. Adam Cuerden ^talk 01:19, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent! 68.39.174.238 16:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't know what Goree was either before this. :). I'll add a little white on the left, reupload, add the "done" tag, and switch out the image in the article. vlad§inger ^tlk 17:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think I'll put this on Commons instead. When the Wikipedia copy is deleted, the latest rev. should show up in the article. vlad§inger ^tlk 17:38, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks very good, in any case =) Adam Cuerden ^talk 17:58, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Strasbourg Aftermath

Article(s): Siege of Strasbourg, which doesn't currently have an image.

Request: Another basic piece-together and straightening, I fear. Forgive the typo in the upload name (Strasbourg, not Strausbourg). By the way, I'm told that JPEGs don't suffer the thumbnail problem, so use that if you think it worth it.

Please, please tell me if I'm asking for too many of these. I don't want to be a pain. -- Adam Cuerden ^talk 15:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: I got this. -- VegitaU 15:19, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. PNGs seem to save filespace; at least in this case, and, as long as they aren't enormous, don't have a thumbnail problem. -- VegitaU 15:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My god, that was fast! Great work as always! Adam Cuerden ^talk 16:05, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

Image:HWLongfellow001.PNG Image:HWLongfellow002.PNG

Article(s): Have a guess ;)

Request: Another stitch-together. But we ought to have a good image of him, and this is better than any we have. If you're feeling ambitious, remove the minor printing error that created a white line about three-fourths down. (And mark the modification on the image page: They get cranky over there if you don't) -- Adam Cuerden ^talk 17:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Okay, done. This was a little harder; the pictures didn't stitch as seamlessly as before and a lot of the features were at odd angles. I tried to fix all these problems and that line. -- VegitaU 21:28, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I did try to get them straight, but had some trouble getting everything needed in without going to three scans. Adam Cuerden ^talk 04:22, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Forgive me, I have flu, and I become very stream of consciousness when I'm ill.

Wow, I didn't even notice the thumbnail bug. I'll shrink it and straighten it up for you. Feel better. -- VegitaU 18:02, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(unindent)What's up with that thumbnail bug? That's confusing. -- VegitaU 18:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I straightened the picture out with Rugby471's help. And it looks like that weird bug is gone. Whatever THAT was about. -- VegitaU 18:59, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's lovely! Thanks! Adam Cuerden ^talk 23:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, just wanted to ask before I started uploading everywhere: Would you mind stitching together a few more? I have several images at about this size that would make good illustrations for various things... Adam Cuerden ^talk 13:26, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

..Well, if this one is done, why don't we delete the two halves? vlad§inger ^tlk 02:37, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think mainly because I don't have a commons admin account. Probably should upload to en. next time. Adam Cuerden ^talk 07:56, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Commons is the best place for free images, simply place a "{{delete}}" on commons and they will disappear eventually.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 08:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Coat of arms of Laos

b/w variant
old arms show basic color scheme

old arms show basic color scheme
colors are more garish, but show how temple is colored

colors are more garish, but show how temple is colored
fifth upload with text in Laos script, rather than a tracing

fifth upload with text in Laos script, rather than a tracing

File:Wappen laos sw.svg

Article(s): Coat of arms of Laos

Request: In looking for information on the above Laos Scout emblem (thanks so much, guys), I found that we have a black-and-white coat of arms rather than a colored one. I would like it colored. Chris 05:06, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: I imagine you'd want an SVG? If so I'll have a go but I might mess up: that's all I seem to have done recently. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 15:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure you'll do just fine, Dave, and thank you for your hard work and contributions! Chris 18:30, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

:) Here's a first upload: I did the bottom half of the image and the temple accurately, but I did a rough version of everything else so you can get an idea of the colours and the finished image. I didn't trace the text, however, as I didn't think a trace would look good. If someone could help with this I'd appreciate this. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 10:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I had to blow this up, it's so nice! You have a great eye for detail! It's great! Maybe some of those that helped with the language requests on the Laotian Scout emblem can be persuaded to help with the text? Chris 20:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that! I'll start on detailing the areas at the sides (I think it's Maize?) tomorrow. If someone could create an SVG similar to this one made for the Burma Scouting request it would help a lot.--Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 22:24, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article about the symbol states that the crop depicted is ears of ripe rice. Valentinian ^{T / C} 23:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the ears of rice, and most of the rest of the stuff that I did roughly. Any comments? I had some difficulty making out the smaller details. The next thing to do will be changing the trees on the right to the design on the b/w version (rather than that of the PNG above). --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 20:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC). Also, some of the parts of the rice may need tweaking. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 20:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and refined it some more. I did the trees properly, and added the text, but I'm not sure if it looks the part. Any Thoughts? --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 16:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Very nice! Can the text be thickened at all? Chris 21:17, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Very good job. Agree with Chris that the lettering could need some thickening. Btw, the fair use image shows a multicoloured tree. Not sure what type it is though. Valentinian ^{T / C} 21:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's on my to-do list! --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 21:46, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ps-once you get the text nailed, can you also add it to the Commons image Image:Laos coa.png, as the same text is supposed to be on there, and will then make it a Wikipedia image and not a copyrighted version. Chris 04:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here's some Thickened Text, and a Multi-coloured tree. If I have chance I'll try to add the text to the png image but I'm going on holiday tomorrow and I'm a little bit busy, so I probably won't have time. If the text needs more thickening, or something else needs changing, I'd request that someone else modifies the image. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 12:56, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm back! However, I'm not sure adding the text from the SVG to The vector-images.com PNG would be okay as far as licenses are concerned, and commons:Template_talk:Vector-Images.com has only confused me. I'd appreciate it if someone could confirm that modifying Image:Laos coa.png be ok. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 17:18, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, the images from Vector-images have become something of a problem. As I understand the situation: a representative for this company has accepted that Wikipedia and others use and modify their raster images as long as we don't do the same with the company's own vector images, so the raster images are freebie images but the company's own vector images aren't. So the problem isn't the company in Russia - as long as you base your work on a raster image, you're in the clear. The remaining problem is determining the copyright status of an official insignia of Laos, as it is in the country itself, and finding a copy of the Laotian copyright law (if such a law actually exists) is rather difficult. Laos is not a member of the Berne convention and the only small pieces of information I can dig up seem to suggest that copyright protection in Laos is very weak; no law as such seems to exist, only a ministerial decree from 1995 (possibly the one about trademarks?). [8]. The trademark decreee is no help, although § 12 specifies that a trademark cannot be registered if it contains a flag, coat of arms or similar.[9]. In any case, a thorough description of the insignia is specified in the Laotian constitution § 90 [10] so this description must be PD like any other law I can think of. Respecting copyright and all that, I think we're in the clear here, e.g. Heather Meeker has described Laos as a country with no copyright law at all.[11] Valentinian ^{T / C} 20:34, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that's fantastic research, that really helps a lot! I agree, the image looks like a PD image, but which image tag do you think would be best? I looked in WP:ICT for PD tags, but I couldn't find a specific tag that would be appropriate, apart from {{PD-because}}. I checked Image:Flag of Laos.svg, which is tagged with {{Insignia}} and {{{PD-Self}}. DO you think the the same should be done for the coat-of-arms, or should a new tag be made (for Laos COA and flags)?

On another note, on one of the links Valentinian had a link to the font for the Laos script. I'll use this to generate the text instead of just tracing it as soon as I can. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 08:37, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest going with the same solution as used on the flag. Normally, I don't like it, but it seems appropriate here. I like the idea about creating a {{PD-Laos-exempt}} template, but we should wait until we've analysed the situation more thoroughly. Just in case anybody wondered what applies to the seal of Astana (also on this page), that one is covered by commons:template:PD-KZ-exempt, and I've compiled a list of mostly East European countries where I've checked if official heraldry is PD or not, see: User:Valentinian/Heraldry. Valentinian ^{T / C} 09:21, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Laos indeed has no copyright law at the moment, but it is expected to introduce an intellectual property decree in the future.[12] (page 39 in the original, page 41 in the file). The relevant text has apparently been drafted, but not yet signed into law. We should probably wait with a template until the new law becomes publicised. Valentinian ^{T / C} 09:36, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I uploaded with licenses as per the flag. Text is in the Laos Script font, so it looks better than the simple tracing of the text. Is it okay? Also, thanks very much for all the help with he licensing, Valentinian, it's really helped. User:Valentinian/Heraldry looks like it'll be really useful too. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 14:42, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I finally got round to adding the text to Image:Laos_coa.png, but I haven't uploaded yet, as I'm not sure the result is any good (I'm not so good with raster graphics, and the image is quite small). You can see the image here, and if it's any good then it can be uploaded. If not, then maybe some GIMP/Photoshop expert can help. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 08:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image uploaded to Commons, and replaced in article. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 13:50, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dave, they're both great, thank you! This one is done! I notice Coat of arms of Myanmar has been deleted from Commons, maybe that one should be tackled? Chris 19:06, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Astana Done

This flag image should be recreated using vector graphics as an SVG file

Article(s): Astana

Request: As the new capital of a large post-Soviet republic, this article should have a better coat of arms than one cropped from one of my photos. Help? Chris 19:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Darn... this one looks fun. I will be on vacation though so I can't promise anything--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 19:20, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If anyone does it, Image:Flag of Astana.png would be easy as it's just the CoA on a colored field. 68.39.174.238 01:19, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, that wasn't around when I uploaded mine. That also will help, plus the large version of mine. Chris 01:27, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Chris, here is a rough start. More to come, just wanted to get the upload done. --Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 12:56, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Great! Now just the arms without the blue field? :) Chris 02:45, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That won't take long at all, but I need to adjust the symbol on the top and figure out how to set the mediawiki rendering engine on fire so that it will never trouble us again (Text won't render, I might end up drawing the letters from scratch).--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 21:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is that text-on-path? The easiest way to get round that is to convert the text to a path, that should render. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 22:14, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks DTR! Comments on current revision?—Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 17:47, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Very good, I say time to retire my old photo! Chris 19:08, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If your okay with it so am I.—Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 19:44, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

SVGification and correction Done

Articles: United States gubernatorial elections, 2010

Request: 1st, to SVGify, if possible. Second, the following changes:

Alabama should be light red,
Maine should be light blue, 68.39.174.238 19:39, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion:Why do you always misspell opinion(I normally wouldn't ask but this is the 5th time)? Anyway, we already have a US map svg so this is really just a colouring project.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 19:45, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, I forgot about that (The extant SVG map), despite the fact that I've seen it in use before. 68.39.174.238 21:41, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done—Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 17:54, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cronholm, you do some really nice crisp work with maps, may I put forward others in need of help? Chris 19:11, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Of course...but all I did was click and fill. I find that I am pretty good with maps but I find them tedious, so one at a time would be appreciated. Cheers—Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 19:28, 12 August 2007 (UTC) [reply]

Central Citylink map

This a map for the Central Citylink page, a rail brand in the UK. The map I originally uploaded was deemed unsuitable, and I was advised to come to this page. A copy of the map is below. Could you make a version appropriate for Wikipedia? Many thanks, Dewarw 15:51, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:No prob. I'm on it.

Okay... I made a PNG version of the route map. Let me know what you think -- VegitaU 17:22, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since I deleted the original on request of the uploader, here is a link to it [13]. -Andrew c ^[talk] 15:07, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The original Central Citylink Route Map

The original Central Citylink Route Map
reworked SVG
version by Time3000 Mark II

Thanks a lot! The map is excellent- it will improve certin pages tremendously! Thanks again! Dewarw 17:35, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've done an SVG version of the map, which is smaller (in terms of filesize) than the PNG and is also scalable. Apart from that, there's not much difference. Time3000 15:01, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm concerned that the redrawn versions are still copyright violations of the original. Could a version be made that isn't a tracing of the original, with unique colors as well. I understand that for geography, it is hard to get around tracing (like the state of Florida is always going to look like a panhandle penisula). But this is a heavily stylized, not drawn to scale graphic of a transportation route map. Therefore, we could easily create one that doesn't impose on the copyright of the existing map.-Andrew c ^[talk] 15:07, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've made a version with a different layout and slightly different colours; any major changes to the colours would just be confusing. The layout doesn't look quite as good and it takes up more space (in dimensions) than the other versions, but it does avoid the copyright problem. Time3000 15:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I do not like this new version, the SVG version is the best so far. Dewarw 17:42, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It might be good to follow the geography a bit closer. For example, Cardiff is in Wales, which is off the west hand side of England. If it's any help, I've plotted all the stations on a map and joined them up. Perhaps a map can be made to roughly follow that: http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8906/citylinklc9.png CountingPine 22:01, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why has the map been deleted? please return an image soon as the pages are reduced in quality! Dewarw 17:39, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm working on an SVG version which won't be subject to copyright (and will be a bit better than the current version when it's finished). It should be done in a couple of days. Time3000 09:33, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've uploaded a version of my own. Unfortunately, the circular station markers are being displayed funny. If anyone can find a simple fix, that would be appreciated. CountingPine 02:21, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dots added--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 19:09, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've finished the version I was working on - it follows the geography reasonably well (from CountingPine's map). Time3000 11:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC) [reply]

DoneIran Scout Organization

Third Edit

Third Edit
straightened and trimmed just to get area of wings and below

straightened and trimmed just to get area of wings and below
I can't get it to scan right, it's on satin, but it gives a rough idea

I can't get it to scan right, it's on satin, but it gives a rough idea
I am so sorry to all of you for this-shows Rugby what I am driving at, color scheme and basic design

I am so sorry to all of you for this-shows Rugby what I am driving at, color scheme and basic design
this one I would like to ask to be made larger to show detail (background design is that of Image:Flag of Iran.svg)

this one I would like to ask to be made larger to show detail (background design is that of Image:Flag of Iran.svg)
based on Akiramenai's

based on Akiramenai's
more recent variant for shape (scroll only), not really better for details, sorry

more recent variant for shape (scroll only), not really better for details, sorry
Added the unreadable persian text.

Article(s): Iran Scout Organization

Request:

For the red emblem I would like to ask for a line-drawing or clearer variant; the badge is quite worn.
The red-white-green emblem I would like to ask to be made larger to show detail. Chris 05:56, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

Done Red Emblem

File:--Iran.svg

Okay, i'll get to work on a vector. > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 16:57, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I know it isn't much, but I've started the line drawing, i have done the outline and a few of the features inside, is this okay so far ? > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 17:12, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually that's a great start and way better than I could do! I have added the Image:Faravahar.png because I believe it is the concept they're driving at. Besides, I didn't have a Journey album handy. ;) Also, check out The Lion and Sun for ideas on those themes. (weird, that flag shares a lot in common with Ethiopia) And thanks again! Chris 08:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Second Edit, looking okay ? > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 16:52, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is looking great, thanks! If you put the red and the r/w/g/ emblems side by side, proportionally and shape wise the scroll and even the emblem shape are the same, it's just the red one was cast in aluminum so it doesn't have the sharp points the r/w/g one has. If you want to use the r/w/g emblem for an outline shape, I hope it would help and not hinder your great work. I have added Image:Iran Scout Organization membership badge.png to show a more recent variant, unfortunately it is the same small size in terms of detail. Chris 07:59, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

More like this ? > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 10:19, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I meant the outer shaping of the emblem itself. If possible, could the outer edges be made a single thin line, rather than two basically parallel lines with a hollow between? Bear in mind that this was an aluminum casting and not strictly faithful to the design, because of the thickness they had to use to show detail and still have the cloisonné work out. You've got great detail, and I appreciate your work on our behalf. Your last iteration before this, with the upturned, fuller wings squares with the way it should be. I only put Image:Faravahar.png on here to show what the otherwise-difficult to see image should be; but the fuller version you had is closer than the now-thin one. Also, can you incorporate the scroll (basic shape and text) that Akiramenai and Cronholm are using on the r/w/g variant? Thank you for all your hard work! Chris 08:26, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay i think i've done what you intended now, but before I put in the scroll, we need to decide on the head on the badge, what do you want me to do with that (on the SVG is the exact thing that is on the photo) > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 09:35, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The face is that of an anthropomorphized lion, like on the old flag Image:Iran flag with emblem 1964-1979.png. I really appreciate your working on this-I imagine of the five emblems requested, this one is the most troublesome. Chris 20:42, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a better quality image of this Lion, or a name for it so I can search for a better quality one, as this really is quite hard to do with the current supplied image > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 17:05, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The name is "The Lion and Sun", "shir o khorshid" in Persian. Hope that helps. Chris 05:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair Use Image Discussion

Okay, I searched on Google for a better image and found one ( luckily ) and have created a vector of the Lion's face
1) Is the lions face okay?
2) I shall now go onto the color, either you can specify a color scheme or I can make a guess on it according to the photograph you gave
3) Do you wish me to include the text like in the r/w/g emblem, at the bottom in the 'banner-like' shape?

The lion's face is great! The mane itself should be a little symmetrical for the shape of the badge.

The color scheme should be red and gold, so fairly similar to the red and aluminum pattern of the original. The gold of the lion's face is a great shade!

Yes, please include the scroll and text directly from the RWG emblem.

Thank you so much once again for your hard work! Chris 21:26, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's okay ! :-) I've made the Lion's Face Symmetrical, put in the colours that were in the example you provided and I have input the writing at the bottom. Anything else ? > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 17:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's getting there now, but the red has overwhelmed your gold detailing. If possible, could the outer edges be made a single thin line, rather than two basically parallel lines with a hollow between? Thanks again! Chris 06:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ps-can you use the shape of the emblem, and the scroll as a whole, from the other image, as both are correct proportions? Thx, Chris 07:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean about the edges, could you maybe explain it a little better or maybe draw an example? As regards to the make the same shape thing, that isn't really opssible as there are many things that would stick out etc. > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 16:21, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rugby, thank you so much for being patient with me. My very crude example (sorry about that, my poor artwork is way ugly, I know; I do much better on paper) is actually very close to what I intend for the red emblem, the basic shape and coloration and so on. This is the top-right corner image. I will try and explain as best I can what is called for.

Don't treat the emblem as though the whole thing is a silhouette or perfect recreation of the aluminum badge. At this point, all you need from the aluminum badge is the sun, the winged emblem, and the lion's head, which you have already done. Maybe revisit it just for the detailing inside the wingspan, but there is also the Faravahar emblem on this page to use for detail on that.
Now discard the fact that the aluminum badge exists. For our purposes the red aluminum badge is now a non-issue, you've already got what you need from it. The new emblem should not look like a cookie-cutter encompassing all hollow spaces in the emblem, it needs white space where there are hollows between the scroll and emblem.
Take the collaborative emblem that Akira and Cronholm have developed, and borrow the outline of the emblem, and the scroll in its entirety (if you are allowed to, unless there is something that precludes you form doing so-Cronholm did say something about "using forbidden techniques..." but I was unsure what was meant). Their shape is right, and their scroll is right.
At present the vast amount of red washes out the gold details. Using the basic tracing you already made, make the sun-wing-lion elements the center of an emblem with the exact shape and the exact scroll of the r/w/g emblem, but in gold instead of the black they use. Leave the red out for now-put it in once you have got the central elements down pat.
Change the colors of the details of the lion's face-that is perfect and doesn't need re-detailing from anything-make the presently black parts gold, and make the presently gold parts red.

I really thank you for this, and for being patient with me. Chris 07:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You've gone quiet, I really hope I have not offended. I stand in awe of the great work you folks do. Thank you so much. Chris 06:58, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, no no don't worry, it is that last night my Mum told me with two minutes to go to when we leave, that we are going to a circus performance for 3 hours ! I never get offended by these things ( even if it does look like it ) you are here to specify what you want and we are here to deliver. Anyway concerning the image now, thankyou for your instructions, I now see what you mean and so have done that. Do you also want me to color the border/scroll elements in the gold ? > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 07:54, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah! You got it! (I'm sorry, I've been confusing people lately) Yes, please make the border and scroll details gold as well, and fill in the rays of the sun in gold, leaving the center circle red. Now all we're down to is the winged-thingamabob. You rock! Chris 09:10, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done, awaiting your advice on the 'winged-thingamabob' as you put it :-) > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 10:18, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I don't know if you graphic gurus have the ability to curve an existing shape. My ideas are this. On the wings on the Faravahar.png (which are, probably incorrectly, one degree counterclockwise from horizontal), can you warp up the ends so it will look swooping, like in the Scout badge itself? I don't think the proportions are right for it, but it's an idea.

Failing that, can you take the central portion of the wings of Faravahar.png, incorporate them into your winged portion, and simply extend the feather pattern out to the curved edges? Chris 20:54, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay I understand everything except for the first part about the 'warping' I'll get on this as soon as possible however i've hurt my neck and so it's not so good for me to be on the pc, at the very latest i'll be back on two days from now. Sorry for any inconvenience. > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 16:15, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Never an inconvenience, I so appreciate the work you do, take your time and take care of yourself, feel better! Chris 21:12, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What I mean is I have seen graphics programs where someone can bend and stretch an existing image to not be in the shape it is, say to curve a line of text or something. Chris 21:14, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know which package you used to create these SVGs, but I think the closest you'll get to such an effect in Inkscape is a very simple use of Pattern along Path (see this link on inkscape.org). --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 16:24, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not familiar with it, but that should do the trick. Can you help? Chris 08:16, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay I'm back !! I'll get to work doing the feather pattern oon the image, however on the warping thing, do you mean on the Faravhar.png image and not the SVG i'm working on ? > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 09:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Half way through the feathers, however I need someone to change the shape of the feathers to fit the emblem. Anyone ? > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 10:04, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On it, may take me an hour or two though.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 10:45, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I had an experiment with Pattern Along Path: see Image:Test PaP.svg. Is this the sort of thing you're looking for? --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 10:50, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I made the wings and individual feathers editable as separate svgs in inkscape, I didn't fiddle with anything else. I can if you want though.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 12:24, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Great start! Thanks, all! Chris 05:28, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Does that look ok? I didn't have anything to base it off of...--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 06:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, this needs to be uploaded at commons not WP once we are finished.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 07:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah that looks great thanks ! And about Commons, I acknowledge that, it's just that I didn't know the copyright status at the beginning of the request and so I uploaded it to Wikpedia so it would be safe from deletion if there was still copyright standing. Anything else to do Chris ? > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 08:04, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

God that's pretty! You guys are amazing! Two last things-

please make the outer edge of the whole winged device thicker, so it stands out like the sun and the lion do.
for the center of the winged device, please connect the upward two "prongs" as remaining solid gold sun rays, please make the "body" solid gold around that red circle, please fill the (legs? kickstands?) in gold, and please apply the wing-feather pattern to the "tail" area, rounding the bottom as in the "farvahar" device.

Thank you again so much! Chris 17:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

kickstands?! Anyway I have made some preliminary changes. I am not sure if they are what you wanted though.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 13:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, they looked like kickstands to me... :} This is brilliant, now just a bit of a thicker border on the winged object, and make the scroll background red, and we're set! Thank you! Chris 21:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okey dokey! > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 15:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done that ! > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 16:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You, sir, are a god, and people will write songs lauding you, and clean ones this time! :) Thank you so much! Chris 21:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Now that the borders are thicker, do you want me to fiddle with the feathers?--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 21:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fiddle as in define more deeply, or how? Chris 01:58, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As in, spread the feathers a bit, they seem cramped--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 02:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I like that idea, yes please. And please bring the top sun ray to a point, if you can. :) Chris 02:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Point done, now all that remians is the feathers :-) > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 17:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You do beautiful work, by the way! Chris 21:47, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will have to get an older version to edit the feathers and I am about to go on wikibreak(vacation), so this might have to go on hold for a week--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 13:02, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Have fun and be safe! I look forward to what you have planned. Chris 05:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

While you're tweaking, can the text and the stripes on the scroll be made thicker so as to be legible on the background? ThanksChris 02:21, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Back yet? I hope you guys aren't fed up with me! ;) Chris 07:49, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm back...but I don't think my addition is all that great. Rugby, you mind cleaning it up?--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 12:53, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ack, we're back to the white scroll! :( Is that to thicken the text? Also, what were you wanting to do with those wings? Chris 09:22, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

White??? I'm confused. All I did was spread the feathers, but I started from an earlier version. --Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 10:14, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, sorry, it showed me the old version with the white scroll, when I saw your edit history, it looked like you tried to revert, so I did. Chris 21:11, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it is saved in the history in any case. What would you like done?--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 01:28, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

At this point, if you could make the text thicker so it will show up on the red background, as well as the parallel yellow lines on the scroll, maybe do your feather spreading, I would be happy and we could close this and get it out of your very patient and kind to-do list. :) Chris 02:06, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not gone, and I suppose that I'm it... I'll try to fix everything today.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 17:38, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If I messed up your fixes when I reverted away from the white scroll, I do apologize. Chris 20:07, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No it's fine. I did everything but thicken the text, which I don't feel qualified to do.—Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 17:44, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't seen Akiramenai on for a while, who would be eminently qualified to do that. Chris 18:57, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've placed a request at Akiramenai's talk page. Chris 00:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's a dead issue, so for now we can consider this closed, and thank you all for your help! Chris 21:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Red-White-Green Emblem

File:Iran1980s.svg

I need the script I can't make it out.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 03:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Akiramenai of the Wikipedia:Graphic Lab here has on their user page that they are a speaker of Farsi, perhaps that will help? Maybe making the image perhaps double or triple size will allow the text to be put in easily. Image:Laos.jpg above, at 167 × 219 pixels, 100px, is a really good size to show details. Chris 04:43, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Size doesn't matter with svgs I can make them as large or as small as I want. What I need is a legible copy of the text.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 13:33, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Chris, the persian text says: amade bash, which means "be ready/prepared".

I will try to make time to finish the vector version.

thumbs up to the teamwork here* Akiramenai 15:31, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps Akiramenai can provide the Farsi script?; if not, I would be happy to put in a similar language request to every user at Category:User fa-N for their help with the text on the scroll. (there are many more speakers of Farsi on the 'pedia than there are Lao and Amharic) Thanks again, all! Chris 07:59, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What about the red-white-green emblem? I have uploaded my version(I still have the lossless file so if you think I can improve it somehow please say so) Is this emblem free of copyright or is there a way to post it anyway? I am very bad at copyright rules and I think I may have uploaded my version of the emblem with the wrong copyright rules. But I really need to know what I should change about the image to comply with the rules and keep the quality good at the same time. Akiramenai 18:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC) Any suggestions?[reply]

I reuploaded based on yours and made some tweaks. I added lines to your banner and two shadows to created the illusion added a lanyard and softened the letters and added a triangle thing. I know I have gaping white wholes in my pic, I forgot to take them out.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 20:24, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It actually is starting to look nice, what do you mean "triangle thing"? I don't see it. Also, there seems to be a small bit of color in the lanyard itself, what does it represent? Thanks to all, again! Chris 08:26, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think he means the yellow object at the far bottom of the image.

I can't make out what it is.

Anyway, added some more shading. I didn't notice the sign was overlapping itself, thanks for the sharp eye Cronholm. Akiramenai 09:35, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also the last letter in the original image is slightly different from what you use in everyday Persian so I edited that in the svg version.Akiramenai 11:38, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You folks really work well together! WikiProjects should all take lessons! Some thoughts:

The scroll and all outer edges of the emblems should be symmetrical
As to the yellow object at the far bottom of the image, again we don't want to use colors we can't really verify. The emblem itself was only produced in red, green and black on white.
Now that the text has been modified, please center it left to right on the scroll
Also, now that I have blown this up, there is supposed to be fimbriation on the red and green edges, geometric Farsi text that reads like Image:Flag of Iran.svg
- Akiramenai already has that in his, I just have trouble modifying his work, so I kept using mine--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 22:06, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Chris 20:42, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

@Akiramenai, Do you know how to use Bezier curves in Inkscape? You seem to use multiple nodes where it is not always advantageous to do so.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 22:06, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think that my work should be used to compliment Akiramenai's. For example, I have smoothed out some of the curves on both the scroll and the large lettering using beziering and I have tried to add that @%$# knot but to no avail. I also adjusted the alignment of the center stroke (look closely) of the large letters, it is off kilter in Akiramenai's. If these changes can be incorporated into his then we will be very close.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 22:30, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

However you folks want to do this is fine with me. However, the edging on Image:Iran1980s.svg is cleaner and doesn't tuck up behind the scroll at the bottom, and the non-shadowed emblem shape is preferable. In addition, your "@%$# knot" ;) needs to be added to it, as well as to Rugby's version. Chris 22:45, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Using forbidden techniques, I have synthesized the images. All that is left is the knot..... sigh--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 23:54, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The one you had was great, just black-and-white if you still have it. Can Rugby also use the scroll you have created, as it is the same scroll? Chris 05:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

@Cron, Unfortunately I find it easier to use macromedia flash than Inkscape. I only use Inkscape to convert metafiles from Flash to SVG. Please Please Please, if you think you can improve my images by smoothing etc. do so. If SVG is lossless it shouldn't be a big problem, otherwise I can send the metafiles in some way.Akiramenai 09:42, 2 July 2007 (UTC) Akiramenai By the way, the scout logo looks much better now at the top (much smoother). Thank you CRonholm. But the shading I added is gone now ??? :( Akiramenai 09:44, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry bout that, but Chris said he didn't want it (I realize that it probably took awhile) @Chris and Rugby sure thats fine with me...but I didn't draw it... Akiramenai did.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 12:25, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh ok, It's all good then. All that is left is...."The knot". I'd leave it as it is though. Akiramenai 14:01, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is great! The only other thing I might suggest is that the fimbriation on the red and green edges, geometric Farsi text that reads like Image:Flag of Iran.svg, should be more pronounced. Chris 21:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You guys will hate me-the knot should be centered beneath the bottom point of the fleur-de-lis. Chris 02:21, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll get on it.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 21:40, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Uhh... I changed the image a while back... comments?--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 07:00, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, duh, totally escaped me, thank you! I saw it and meant to respond. The mind is a terrible thing to waste... That is perfect, I am totally happy with it, thank you. Can you follow where I am trying to go with Rugby's red emblem? I think that's the toughest one of the batch, and my explanations seem to make things worse. Thanks again. Chris 07:47, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to leave that one to Rugby... but I will take a look at it.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 07:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just wanted to make sure I was understandable, was seeking second-party verification. At work of late it seems I confuse people. Chris 09:06, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

{ Done copyright?

Just a slight warning here - the logos are copyright (by the templates on the original images) so creating SVGs with too high a level of detail could be seen to go beyond fair use (see Wikipedia:Logos). It might be best to create SVGs and then render those as PNGs at 300x400 resolution, which is probably low enough. Since SVGs are vector, not raster, they potentially have any resolution (within reason) so PNGs would be better, although SVGs with a relatively low level of detail should also be OK. Time3000 08:08, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Then I should suggest to the Scouting Wikiproject to make a modification to the {{Scoutlogo}} template, for defunct Scouting insignia-these (with exceptions of a later upload) are between 20 and 45 years out of use, so they may actually not have copyright holders any longer. Chris 08:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Iranian copyright seems to expire after 30 years when it's held by an organisation (|http://www.parstimes.com/law/copyright_law.html), so you're probably OK there. If it's expired, it might be better to use Template:PD-Iran as the copyright tag. Time3000 14:07, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We're about two years shy on the red one for that tag to be applicable; thank you for the great research! Chris 17:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DoneImage Sharpening

VegitaU's attempt

Article(s): No one yet, but I would like it to be a Featured Picture at Commons. It's a Rainbow Lorikeet, and I'll put it in the article when it's fixed. The picture is good and has great potencial, and I'd like it to be featured.

Request: The picture is a little unsharp around the head area on the bird, the tail, and the right leg (the bird's left). Please make those areas sharper. Thank you! — H92 (t · c · no) 21:20, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: This is a very good quality picture to begin with, but I'll see what I can do. -- VegitaU 21:28, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alrighty. Tell me what you think. -- VegitaU 21:39, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The color is very good. I don't know how, but it seems like the whole image is blown up from a smaller size. Is there any way to fix this? — H92 (t · c · no) 23:51, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what you mean. Do mean the grainy look in the background? I just noticed it, looking closely. Is that it? -- VegitaU 23:56, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

JPEG artifacts, right? vlad§inger ^tlk 02:42, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(unindent)Not sure, but I tried to fix the problems and uploaded a new version. It's in 4:3 perspective. -- VegitaU 14:28, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, now that it looks better, why not list it on Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates or at least Wikipedia:Picture peer review to get some second opinions? vlad§inger ^tlk 19:11, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey thanks! It's so much better now. I'll go to the review site, I'd prefer it to be featured at Commons. Thanks! — H92 (t · c · no) 11:20, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I didn't see that part in your orginal request. My bad. vlad§inger ^tlk 23:35, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DoneZhou Tong (archer)

original image

original image
tracing of Zhou Tong
first upload
version with Ghostexorcist's comments taken into account

Article(s): Zhou Tong (archer)

Request: This request is not directly about this image. Rather, this featured article lacks a freely licensed lead image of decent quality. A suggestion was made to trace the figure of Zhou Tong (the old man seated on the rock) from the public domain image above, and use that for the lead, instead of this portion of a copyrighted work which replaced an awful crop of the above image.

I made an attempt to trace this with Inkscape, but owing to my lack of time, and also lack of experience, I didn't get too far. Note also that Zhou Tong's face is quite blurry due to some camera shake, making that portion rather difficult.

So, I would like somebody to use this image and the others in the article to create a servicable lead image suited to an article of such quality. It shouldn't be a great challenge to somebody who knows what he/she is doing. Thanks. vlad§inger ^tlk 02:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: I added an outline that I made, by no means my best work. People can use it as a springboard.--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 13:55, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If I get chance I'll have a go, but someone might beat me to it... --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 18:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How's that? --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 20:14, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nice, but there seems to be a problem with the eyes. They're on the raw image, but they disappear on the image page or on any article displaying the image. I'm not sure what the source of that problem could be. Also, it would probably be best if we used one skin tone for the face and the hands.--Pharos 20:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I noticed that too, MediaWik's being awkward again. I'll try to fix it, and the skin tones as well. If that doesn't work, the SVG could be rasterised as a PNG, but we'll have to see what vlad§inger says about that. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 22:08, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am the author of the Zhou Tong (archer) page, so I would like to comment on the work so far. The overall shape and body is excellent, but (as mentioned above) the face structure needs to be established and skin tone needs to be uniform. I think the tanning of his highest hand most closely matches that of the original painting (but maybe cut back on the color a little). A famous folklore describes him as having "a golden tan" anyways. The belt needs to be rendered differently as well. If you look closely, the belt is actually a gold-toned rope with frills at the end.

I fiddled around with the pic on the old window's paint program and drew in a face. Here is a comparison of the two. It's not my best work, but it looks better than the original. I made the skin color uniform as best I could, but I wasn't able to change the shading on the ears or bottom hand (I don't have any rendering software). This serves only as an example that someone can work off of. --Ghostexorcist 23:42, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The reason the eyes wouldn't display properly was because of the blur attribute the eyes had, I removed the blur and the SVG displayed properly, however, the attempt by Ghostexorcist, is better to work off of. I have uploaded the original without blurring and then DTR, maybe you would like to vectorize Ghostexorcist's PNG and then we can choose which one we want > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 08:50, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll start ASAP. BTW, I think there was also some blurring on the lower hand as well. The face on Ghostexorcist's image is much better than mine, I'm not very good at SVG faces. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 09:23, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All I did to improve the face was paste the original traditional painting into windows paint program and zoomed in. Then I traced a rough outline of his facial features and dragged it over to the svg version. Then I took some liberties matching the facial expression to the svg's head. After smoothing out the lines and adding a dash of color from the upper hand, it was ready to go.

I have improved the ear and mouth ever so slightly, but the hands are just too blurry. I could draw some from scratch, but I don't know if I have the time. --Ghostexorcist 11:14, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can't view that Image... But, I'm working on the SVG --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 15:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC) ... Which I've just uploaded. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 16:10, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone think that Zhou looks a little bit sinister? I have no experience with faces but is there any way to introduce a little bit of cheer?--Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 17:35, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My thoughts exactly, but faces are not my strong point either (which is why Zhou looks so... creepy). Rugby, is there anything you can do? --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 17:50, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

When I did the ear and mouth, I also softened his expression and made him look happier (with his eyes looking at the viewer and not off to the side). I also connected his beard to his side burn to make it look more natural. I wonder why you can't view the image? Does inkscan have an option where you can zoom into an image down to the bitmap like windows paint? If so, you should be able to trace the face expression click-by-click with your mouse.

I had the same problem with the eyes looking creepy the first time I drew the face. But instead of making them oval shaped, I just made them slivers. One thing you have to think about is that people tend to squint when they smile, coupled with the fact the guy was Chinese. --Ghostexorcist 18:49, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, this is a fantastic response so far. It is a pity that the face was so blurry in the original image.

I would like to see a slightly less stylistic approach to his mouth though. It seems somewhat oversimplified.
Also, his left hand seems a bit odd, since the lines dividing the fingers don't seem to match up to the fingertips...right now, he seems to have six fingers including the thumb which one must infer to be behind his beard. The other hand is better, but once again, the lines don't match up with the outline of the fist.
Beyond that, there are some places were the ends of lines representing folds in his garment overlap the ones marking the edge. Also, if somebody is up to it, his beard could be detailed with some fine lines.

Besides that, this is very satisfactory. None of these are major issues, especially when one considers the intended size of the image in the article. vlad§inger ^tlk 23:33, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Based on Vlad's request and a closer study of the traditional painting. I have made more improvements on the face. I made the mouth bigger and only showed the upper row of teeth as this is how they are in the painting. I put lines in the beard, but someone with inkscape might be able to soften them or add more. The area around the cheeks and mustache did not stretch down as far as the painting, so I fixed that. Tell me what you think. --Ghostexorcist 00:18, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Something else I noticed: there should be a space between the back of his neck and the "tail" of his cap, but their isn't.--Pharos 03:28, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How's this [14] ? > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 08:57, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That looks really good. But as Pharos pointed out, there should be blank space between his neck and tail of his cap (instead of the gray loop shape). Also, his lower hand is actually a fist and not lying flat palm down. I suggest shortening all of the fingers to a uniform length and then add a short rectangular shape that runs across the bottom of the first two fingers (right to left) for a simple thumb. After these minor problems are fixed, I think the image should be added to the article a.s.a.p. --Ghostexorcist 10:05, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've put a high-res version at my sandbox, might help for picking out the details. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 10:14, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, once the hands are tweaked to everyone's satisfaction, this seems like it would be done, right? vlad§inger ^tlk 17:38, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I made two tweaks, one to the right hand and one to the gray thing. All that is left is the left hand. —Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 17:49, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for fixing the hands and the loop. The last thing I think that needs to be done is the belt. The frills at the end need to be moved down where they are not being over lapped by the criss-crossing lines that make up the rope (ie. the top of the cone-shape needs to be at the bottom). The rope width can possible be made smaller or at least crimped at the end to better mesh with the top of the cone. The size of the rope around his waist could serve as a reference. Also, there should be a knot in place of the cone shape at his waist. Look at a high-res version to see what I'm talking about. Lastly, I want to commend this project for its amazing work! --Ghostexorcist 18:42, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at it I think that the teeth should be made a touch more visible (I am stepping back for now...too much to do)—Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 19:31, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm working on it. Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 20:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed everything apart from the knot and some of the belt: I had some difficulty with that. Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 13:26, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It looks pretty good. If no one has any objections, I would like to add it to the article. Could someone contact an admin to delete the current photo of him holding the spear? --Ghostexorcist 20:45, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to see the facial details a smidgen darker, they disappear at low-resolutions. But it's good enough for use in the article. Adam Cuerden ^talk 02:24, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I tagged the present image for deletion. Is this the final image then? Because I'm adding it to the article, and marking this DONE. vlad§inger ^tlk 15:50, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Rotation of an Image

Articles: A ton, including everything the "Public Finance" template touches.

Request: Rotation so that the square edges of the bill agree with the square edges of the image. 68.39.174.238 23:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion: Wow, big-impact project. I'll get on it. -- VegitaU 23:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I straightened it out and uploaded it straight over the previous file since there was no major alterations. I don't see why we need a 17 Mb picture of a dollar bill the size of Manhattan. -- VegitaU 23:41, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is actually the type of thing that some people would like to see at huge size, I think.--Pharos 14:52, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe a mint dollar bill. This one has some fibers stuck to it, and is a bit dirty. vlad§inger ^tlk 17:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's supposed to have red and blue fibres - they're part of the anti-counterfitting thingies. Adam Cuerden ^talk 01:47, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What, really? Those things that look like small bits of string? I learn something new every day. :) vlad§inger ^tlk 16:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's big enough. The five-dollar bill is at an even smaller resolution. -- VegitaU 17:53, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done 3D description of names (Creation request)

this sort of thing might be useful

Used in: Zenith, Nadir, Horizon and possibly others.

Request: A simple SVG of a spherical area that shows the relative locations of the above names.

Graphist Opinion: Do you think you could be more specific? For the horizon do you just want the tangent lines? --Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 19:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not so sure, I'm just suggesting this as other people have suggested it on the talk pages, which (obviously) got nowhere. 68.39.174.238 19:34, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can you include both true and astronomical? 68.39.174.238 19:36, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will get to this eventually, if anyone else wants to help...—Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 17:19, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I might have a go, is Image:Horizons.svg the sort of thing you're on about? --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 15:30, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There you go. Any thoughts? --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 16:59, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He said he wanted 3-d, so I added an old sphere I did to the gallery, Maybe we could combine them for a more 3-d feel. Anyways, I think yours looks fine DTR, so let's just wait and see what 68 has to say.—Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 20:01, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for being so unspecific, the one with the dude standing on the earth looks fine to me, I didn't realize that they could all be shown on a single plane. 68.39.174.238 21:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I could add in the visible horizon as well, but other than that I think this request is done. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 21:28, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll add it to the articles. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 16:55, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Governor of Gibraltar Mason MacFarlane with Prime Minister Winston Churchill

File:Mason MacFarlane and Churchill in Gib.jpg
Blurred to remove halftone pattern

Blurred to remove halftone pattern

Article(s): Military history of Gibraltar during World War II

Request: Could someone help remove the halftoning or whatever those hideous speckled dots are! -- Chris.B 08:58, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

I applied a 1.2 pixel Gaussian blur to the image, it got rid of much of the halftone, and the artefacts now look more like film grain. --Canley 13:00, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's much better now. Thanks -- Chris.B 08:08, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bold text

Done GA on hold

Article(s): {{GAonhold}}

Request: I need the gray clock on the 2nd picture replaced with the purple clock. Panoptical 19:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Done. OK? —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 19:56, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, looks good, thanks! Panoptical 19:58, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done 1882 Kingston Fire

Image:1882 Kingston Fire top.png Image:1882 Kingston Fire bottom.png

Stiched in hugin by Ilmari Karonen

Article(s): Kingston, Jamaica

Request: Another stitch-together. I think they're pretty much lined up. If there's any problems, I can re-scan. -- Adam Cuerden ^talk 18:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Okay > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔

Right just done it, two points:
1) The final size (after some cropping) is 3808 x 5104, what size do you want me to upload it at on Commons?
2) Due to some inaccuracy (who knows what) the bottom image is about 4 pixels more stretched than the top. Now for what we need it for, you can't really spot anything, it is only when you zoom in pixel for pixel that you see any misalignment. Do you want me to try and scale it so it is exactly correct?

> Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 19:11, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's best to leave judgement on those two issues to you. Do what you think best =) Adam Cuerden ^talk 19:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As for the file size, I'd probably go in the region of 1800 x 2000. And for the aligning , i've just realised that it is quite bad, you can see it looking at the image normally, not just pixel for pixel. Could you try and scan them again maybe? > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 07:08, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. I'm not sure what happened, though. Adam Cuerden ^talk 13:15, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I never got a chance today: I'll do it tomorrow Adam Cuerden ^talk 01:58, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think I've got it. How's it look to you? —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 23:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yep that's done, just for reference though, how did you do that ? > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 07:15, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just loaded the images in hugin and set some control points. As it turns out, the biggest difficulty was convincing hugin not to do any perspective corrections, since these are scanned pages and not photos. The solution was to select "Custom" in the optimizer and to check only "roll", "x shift" and "y shift" for the second image and "view" for both. I then manually adjusted the roll and shifts for the first image to be -0.5 times those of the second image and reran the optimizer, so that the resulting image was nicely centered. I then exported a high-resolution TIFF with smart blending and converted it to PNG with the GIMP. Of course, usual panorama tips, such as discarding badly matched control points after the first optimizer run, also apply. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 11:43, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aye, that looks great - sorry, I've been rather ill, or I'd have rescanned by now. Adam Cuerden ^talk 02:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Billingham Forum

version 1 - original version 2 - colour balance
Improvement?

Improvement?
Improved improvement?

Improved improvement?

Article(s): Both Billingham and Billingham Forum, hopefully/eventually

Request: I know this isn't a brilliant image, particularly because there's a big while blob at the top. Would it be possible to remove or un-emphasise this blob? I'd also appreciate any other improvements to the image. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 20:11, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist Opinion: I'm on it. vlad§inger ^tlk 22:14, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

~~Okay, done. Uploading...~~

Okay. Not perfect, but hopefully a bit better... also bumped contrast a touch. vlad§inger ^tlk 22:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good, job, however the only thing I would say is that you can still see the glare off the blob on the left hand side building, which makes it kinda seem unatural. > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 07:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that was quick! I have to say that I agree with Rugby, however, could you maybe fix that? Other than that it looks fine - Thanks very much! -- Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 08:03, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll leave that glare to vlad§inger but when he's done that, i'd like to do something about the lighting > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 09:14, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. You mean on the top edge of the roof? Is this better? I'm not exactly sure what you mean if it isn't... vlad§inger ^tlk 12:55, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're right about the lighting...it does look a bit blue and flat... vlad§inger ^tlk 12:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that looks better. Fixing the lighting would be brilliant. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 13:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A simple white balance correction might help, but at some point you just have to decide that the sow's ear is as close to a silk purse as it's going to get. Anyway, I tried to look for reference image to see what the building actually looks like, but, well... see for yourself. It almost seems as if we might have to consider the overexposed sky an actual feature of the location. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 14:00, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah thats better Vlad§inger, I just adjusted the lighting and colour balance, how's this ? (bearing in mind that this building has been voted Britains 2nd ugliest building :-) ) > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 16:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's brilliant. Unless there's anything else, I'm marking this

Done done. Thanks to all for making Britain's 2nd Ugliest building (and my home town at that) a little less ugly. :)

Yay us! vlad§inger ^tlk 17:33, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Dykes On Bikes photo cropping

Original
Improved?

Article(s): for Dykes On Bikes article (should go up within a day or so) although I imagine others will be interested as well

Request: This lovely photo doesn't read well as it's a bit panoramic and shoots action down a street at a too broad angle. If the two motorcyclists on the right side of the photo could be cropped closely I think the resulting image could convey more clearly the riders, costuming and decoration and thus the spirit of the riders as the turn onto the parade route. As is, all the Dykes On Bikes aren't that visible so the photo is less than exciting and less usable. Other touch ups might be good but that's your call. All help appreciated. Benjiboi 13:32, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: I cropped as you asked (I think), adjust the colour balance, brightened, contrasted and sharpened. Is this any better? > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 09:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's wonderful! I want to use it as the lede photo per the name being plural and the next best photo I have is of one person on a bike. Thank you so much!

Done Bristol - 1873

Image:Bristol 1873 - Top half.png Image:Bristol 1873 - Bottom half.png

Full stiched image
Colston Hall
Colston Hall exterior (retouched)
Colston Hall staircase (retouched)
Bristol Cathedral
Berkley Tombs
Blackfriars Priory

Articles: Bristol, History of Bristol, Colston Hall, Bristol Cathedral, Blackfriars, Gloucester

Request: Two requests: First, can you stitch these images together, secondly, can you break up the images so that

the two images of Colston Hall (probably easier to give them as one image, given the shield'd probably have to be included)
Bristol Cathedral in the centre of the third row down,
The Berkley Tombs, bottom row left (They're in the cathedral),

and

Blackfriars Priory in the bottom row, centre

can be used to illustrate the relevant articles?

Note the combined image will probably have to be a jpg, or shrunk a bit to be displayed.

Adam Cuerden ^talk 22:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've managed to produce a reasonably good stitched version. There was a minor problem in that, apparently, one of the halves has a slightly different aspect ratio than the other, and hugin can't correct this: when the images are scaled so that they have the same width, it's obvious that features that should be identical end up with different heights. This also caused the smart blender to make a real mess of horizontal lines, since it couldn't decide which image to follow. I suppose I could've calculated the necessary scaling factor and applied it in advance, but what I ended up doing was simply blending the images by hand, mostly running the border along the white areas of sky where the mismatch isn't visible. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 12:44, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

...and here are the crops. These are straight from the original scans, not from the stitched version. I adjusted the color levels a bit to make the background truly white. I even managed to retouch the crest out of the Colston Hall images, although I also uploaded a combined version with the crest intact. The Berkley Tombs image looks a bit washed out, but then, it does so in the original too. Hope you like them. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 15:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely! And a whole swathe of Bristol-related articles now have useful images. Adam Cuerden ^talk 20:14, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, sorry about the aspect ratio thing: I didn't realise it was important to maintain it, so I just cropped to the relevant parts, trying to keep the width the same. Adam Cuerden ^talk 20:20, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was perhaps unclear about the aspect ratio thing: the problem wasn't the dimensions of the images, but the fact that at least one of the images was slightly stretched or squashed along at least one axis, such that, for example, a shape that would've been a perfect circle in one image would've been a slightly flattened ellipse in the other.

Actually, I just checked and the issue is even more complicated than that, with measurements from different parts of the overlapping area giving almost identical widths for both images, but with the heights varying by up to 5% in either direction between the two images. I'd suspect the cause to be either not-quite-perfect scanner calibration or simply the paper slipping slightly as it was scanned. Anyway, it's not a major issue, just an unexpected twist in the process. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 22:30, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How odd. I'm not sure what would cause that. Adam Cuerden ^talk 22:43, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Ju-ju house

Article(s):Juju

Request: I'd like some opinions on this image. It's not bad as an engraving, but I'm worried it may not accurately reflect reality, since the accompanying text is very sensational (as noted on the image description page). Can you have a look and give your opinions? If it is encyclopædic, it could use straightening. -- Adam Cuerden ^talk 21:54, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

Rotated & cropped. This is an interesting historic artifact, but I doubt that it accurately depicts anything other than antiquated cultural bias. ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 22:10, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That article could use some Wikifying. It needs a standard intro section, and the two sections don't seem to have much to do with each other... vlad§inger ^tlk 23:38, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aye, but, well, to be honest, I added the image because I had it, not because I really know much about the subject. That's why I'm holding off on closing this - in case this image is horribly inappropriate, I want to know. Adam Cuerden ^talk 23:43, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's been a few days. I've asked on Wikiproject Africa... I suppose might as well archive this. Adam Cuerden ^talk 21:55, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Ages Ago

Tilt corrected, wrinkle removed as well as I could, white lines retouched away

Article(s): Ages Ago, Royal Gallery of Illustration, Frederic Clay, potential use in various others

Request: Can you correct the tilt, and, if possible, remove that ugly wrinkle near the top of it? There's a couple other minor printing errors, like the white line below Cherry Maybud's dress, or the one through Lady Maud's arm (the lady on the far right) but they don't matter so much. If you don't mind, I'll also send the corrected version over to the Gilbert and Sullivan Archive-- Adam Cuerden ^talk 21:15, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Done. This actually turned out better than I'd hoped. I thought the wrinkle was going to be just about impossible to deal with using the software I had, given the nonlinear distortion of the part above and to the left of it, but then I got the idea of cutting the image into two pieces along the wrinkle, with some overlap to the bottom left of it, and stitching those back together in hugin with barrel distortion correction applied to the upper part. That was an ugly hack, but it seems to have worked. I had to play with resynthesizer quite a bit to correct the resulting gaps along the wrinkle line, so I went ahead and corrected some of those white lines too. I could've perhaps done even more retouching, but I didn't want to alter the original too much. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 00:51, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's fantastic! Thanks! Adam Cuerden ^talk 01:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sinhala letters

File:Hal-lu.pdf

Articles: Sinhala alphabet

Request: The red parts mark the diacritics, the black parts are the 'main' letter (lu and luu are wholly red, that's OK and intended). I converted the original *ps to *png to colorize, but the edges are now smudgy. So the request is to produce a file with neat edges and colorized as indicated. I can also provide the *ps, but wp does not allow the upload, so I converted them to *pdf. The pdf files contains material for both images. Other formats like svg would also be fine. Jasy jatere 20:48, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist's Opinion:

Conversion of PDF to SVG isn't hard, but the PC I'm on at the moment doesn't have the right software. I'll do it probably tomorrow unless someone beats me to it. Time3000 11:35, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

no problem, take your time. Thank you Jasy jatere 12:49, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Would it be possible to have an illustration of the whole alphabet? The article as much as admits that support for the alphabet is very patchy, but uses only unicode to show the letters.... Adam Cuerden ^talk 13:27, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Image:Como_Conservatory_Center_Garden.JPG

denoised, not blurred
denoised, blurred

Article(s): Harriet Whitney Frishmuth

Request: Is it possible to bring out the statue in the center? Right now it kind of blends in with the background, and I would like it if the statue popped out a bit more. -- Natalie 23:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: Okay i'll see what I can do > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 06:58, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This okay ? > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 07:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could you leave the stone fountain part sharp? Just blur the background, otherwise the focus seems quite unnatural, in my opinion. vlad§inger ^tlk 16:07, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, I wasn't sure whether I should or shouldn't in the first place. I've uploaded it with the fountain left sharp. > Rugby471 ^talk ⚔ 17:09, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's better. What does Natalie think? vlad§inger ^tlk 14:28, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. There should also be some sort of note on the image page saying that it has been through significant digital modification.

That looks a lot better. Thanks graphicists! Natalie 21:08, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is pretty good, but I'd like to try and see if I can't make it just a little bit better: the sharp areas could use some denoising, and the borders of the blurred area don't quite match those of the statue. Let's not archive this just yet. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 11:47, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. Any way to remove the chromatic distortion on the statue? Adam Cuerden ^talk 03:55, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've uploaded a denoised, non-blurred version of the photo to Commons. Still working on a denoised version with a blurred background (tracing the outline perfectly is hard, particularly in a few places where it's actually hard to tell where the statue ends and the background begins). —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 17:05, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

...and it's done! All I can say is, never again! Having proven myself that I can indeed do this, I think I'll stick to the lower-hanging fruit from now on. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 23:54, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Darkness / Brightness of a Building

VegitaU's attempt
Lycaons's 5 €-cent
Time3000's attempt

Article(s):

Pontifical University of St. Thomas Aquinas, Rome

Request:

Please optimize the darkness, esp. at the stairs.
Could there some other work be done like the perspective and the centering? -- 88.64.73.240 19:40, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: I'll get right to it. -- VegitaU 20:45, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Finished. The main problem for this picture is that it is not centered relative to the staircase against the building.

Nice, looks a lot better THANX 84.56.41.66 22:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. Sky looks a bit washed out, though. Is there any way to restore it without artefacts? Adam Cuerden ^talk 06:34, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I did another attempt. Lycaon 08:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

IMO, Lycaon's version is slightly over-bright, so I've done yet another version. I've also corrected the vertical perspective a bit, but there isn't much that can be done about the centring - the photo wasn't taken directly head-on, so there's no way of correcting that. BTW, I've moved all the images to the gallery as the section was getting a bit long. Time3000 14:16, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why's there a pink blotch in the sky? Adam Cuerden ^talk 05:56, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, thanks for pointing that out. I'm not entirely certain to be honest, but I was doing some fairly drastic curve adjustment at high values (doubling the line back on itself, etc.) so presumably the red channel was low enough to get a boost but the green and blue were high enough to be reduced. I was using the Gimp though, which is supposed to apply it to luminosity, so it's probably a bug. Anyway, I've redone it without the pink sky. Time3000 12:02, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DoneChinese language tree

Final?
Final?

Article(s): Mandarin (linguistics), Northeastern Mandarin

Request: SVG plz, sans ugly colors ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 18:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

I'm going to make an attempt at the first image. vlad§inger ^tlk 22:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, here's a first b&w draft over at Commons for the first image. Please check for accuracy, and give me some input on design. After that, I'll make some aesthetic improvements. vlad§inger ^tlk 23:35, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions on how to approach the second image would also be appreciated. vlad§inger ^tlk 23:43, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't it just the top left-corner of the first image? --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 14:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shall I just copy the text verbatim then? And what do you think of my effort so far? vlad§inger ^tlk 15:22, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, is the hierarchy like this?

Northern (Mandarin) = Language
Jin = Dialect	Bei = Dialect	Dungan = Dialect
	Lots of subdialects

According to Mandarin dialects there are eight (nine if one includes Jin, largely considered to be a language equal to Mandarin) dialects of Mandarin. vlad§inger ^tlk 15:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would make a seperate SVG, as the first image is a comparison of languages, whereas the second is a comparison of dialects. I think the SVG might be better if you spread out some of the information, it looks a bit cramped to me. BTW, your heirachy look right to me. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 16:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bigger image to make it less cramped? Okay... vlad§inger ^tlk 16:16, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Argh! Why is Jin on there twice? vlad§inger ^tlk 16:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Label it as Jin (dialect)? --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 16:44, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

...I would love an expert on this to review the information once this is done. :P vlad§inger ^tlk 16:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Draft 2 is up vlad§inger ^tlk 17:06, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image 2 is up. vlad§inger ^tlk 17:39, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I worry that these image is quite inaccurate, and far too simplified. The subject itself is under heavy dispute, anyway. Look at the talk page of the first image. There are issues raised that have not been resolved. vlad§inger ^tlk 17:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nice job on the images so far, Vladsinger! The hierarchy is very complex and subject to some dispute, that's why I thought that a more utilitarian and flexible format like SVG should be used to present such density of information. I'm no expert on Mandarin dialects, but as long as the layout is consistent with the original image, there will be a good basis for addressing future concerns, such as the ones brought up at the talk page. The layout of the first image should remain unobtrusive, all the information should be preserved with minimal stylistic addition. The color scheme does play a small role, so perhaps you should change the connecting lines to reflect that. The second image in particular appears to be an improvement, it is now legible and focuses entirely on offshoots of Mandarin. ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 19:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I was going to add color after the issues were cleared up. Thank you. vlad§inger ^tlk 14:27, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How are these for final images? vlad§inger ^tlk 16:15, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One small thing, the second image says "Northeastern" instead of "Northern" Mandarin. Otherwise, it looks clean and functional - a marked improvement. ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 01:46, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since that was fixed, and nothing else was raised, I'm marking this

Done and replacing in articles. vlad§inger ^tlk 19:38, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Tilt, again

Fixed!

Articles: The Princess (play), Princess Ida, etc.

Request: I know, it's stupid, but I don't have any image editing software but M.S.Paint (still, I think I did pretty well with my retouching work). Could you adjust the tilt on this? Adam Cuerden ^talk 02:38, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The GIMP is free image-editing software, if you're interested. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 08:23, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Arr, I should give that another try. I wasn't able to get it set up the first time I tried it for some reason, and never got around to another try on the new computer. Adam Cuerden ^talk 08:49, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you use Windows, just be sure to install the GTK library before installing the actual programme. You can find both on http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/stable.html Valentinian ^{T / C} 09:05, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Right. GIMP is new and scary, but I can at least figure out the rotation tool. Think I've got it. In any case, that was embarrassing: I spent about 6 hours fixing all the numerous printing errors - and there were tons - and then couldn't correct the tilt, probably the easiest part. Adam Cuerden ^talk 10:04, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you're installing GIMP, consider downloading the Resynthesizer plugin too. It's what I usually use to clean up flaws in images. It does take some practice (the "smart remove selection" tool works sometimes, but often you need to pick the texture source manually and tweak the matching radius and thoroughness for best results), and it won't replace the good ol' clone tool in every case, but when it works the results can be well worth it. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 12:28, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

*sigh*, I just noticed that Gimp's de-tilt added loads and loads of artefacts - you can easily make out where it was shifted. Can someone have another go with a different program? Adam Cuerden ^talk 23:31, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If anybody knows a good solution to this one, I'm all ears. I've stopped rotating images unless the the angle in question is a multiple of 90 degrees. See e.g. the edit history of image:Christian den Førstes sekret 1457-1460.png and image:Christian den Førstes sekret 1449.png. Any tips would be great. Valentinian ^{T / C} 23:51, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I had a look at the JPG article, which says that there is somthing called libjpeg which is supposed to 'losslessly' rotate jpegs. Migh be useful. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 08:03, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alas, the lossless JPEG rotation only works for 90° angles as well. It is useful when you need that particular feature, though. For general rotation, as well as other related things such as perspective correction, I've found hugin (which is a front-end to panotools) to be useful; there's no way to rotate a raster image by an arbitrary amount without some artifacts, but hugin seems to produce results that are about as good as they get. (BTW, did you remember to convert the image to grayscale before rotating it in the GIMP? If not, that may be the reason for some of the artifacts, since I don't think GIMP is smart enough to interpolate colors in an indexed image.) —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 09:16, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To rotate by (a multiple of) 90° we need only shuffle pixels. To rotate by other angles we must resample. In particular, we must create values between those of the original pixels. It's easy to do this badly; and even when it's done well, there may be visible artifacts. Suppose, for example, we begin with a 4×4 image with a centered check pattern:

What can we possibly expect if we rotate by 45°? The pure blue must disappear, along with some of the pure yellow. --KSmrq^T 10:20, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

However, this doesn't seem to be resampling: You can see very noticable bands where it's been abruptly shifted a pixel.

Okay, I've got it: I stretched the image up by a factor of 500% (or 2500% if you'd rather go by area), THEN applied the tilt, then I could reshrink it. This protects the lines, but takes bloody ages. Adam Cuerden ^talk 03:26, 27 August 2007 (UTC) Insert non-formatted text here [reply]

Done Antelope Canyon too noisy

With S&P filter

Articles: Antelope Canyon,Featured pictures candidates

Request: The picture is a bit too noisy. If possible, you should reduce the noise. -- Lucas Löffler 10:09, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why does nobody do it? Isn´t it possible? --Lucas Löffler 13:22, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whoa, give people chance. Someone will respond, just have patience. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 13:57, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

I've applied a salt and pepper filter to it, which has worked well; there's still some noise, but I can't get rid of that without introducing faceting. Time3000 17:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DoneYue Fei image

Article(s): Yue Fei , Zhou Tong (archer) , Northern Praying Mantis (martial art) , Han Shizhong , Chinese painting

Request: Can someone please make the painting look crisper. It is just too faded and choppy looking -- Ghostexorcist 08:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion: That's an eight hundred year-old painting, of course it looks faded. To edit that, I'd be altering what the artist's intentions were for the painting. I'm not a professional restorer and, if I were, I'd have to work on the painting itself, not a copy of it. -- VegitaU 17:07, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but it can at least be smoothed out and the black lines can be sharpened. I'm not asking for someone to repaint the entire thing from scratch. A note can be left on the image's page stating that it has been enhanced. --Ghostexorcist 17:36, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've made it less orange, increased the contrast and uploaded it to the commons - see commons:Image:Four_Generals_of_Song.jpg. Time3000 13:35, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done A bad scan

File:PM1+1=2lemma.jpg
better scan, from here

better scan, from here

Articles: Principia Mathematica

Request: That this awful scan be redone, maybe as an SVG? Note that the scanned image should probably be kept as a source or something, but not displayed on the page as it looks horrible. (Note that the book was published in 1912 US ... PD-US. 68.39.174.238 22:46, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion:

Couldn't it be done just using the pre-extant mathematics displays and a side-box? Adam Cuerden ^talk 23:30, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Something like... 54-43. $\vdash$ :. $\alpha ,\beta ,\epsilon 1.$

etc. Adam Cuerden ^talk 00:55, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think more like

\mathbf {*54\!\cdot \!43.} \ \vdash :\!.\ \alpha ,\beta \in 1.

But I think the point is more showing an example of what the contents of the book looks like than actually displaying that particular fragmentary lemma. Alas, the only good way I can think of to accomplish that would be to get a better scan. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 01:36, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aye, sorry, I've never used LaTex before, and it's hard to read the page at all. But I'm not sure what we can do, if just reproducing the lemma is insufficient. Adam Cuerden ^talk 02:29, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to check if my university library might have the book. It seems they do have several copies of the second edition, but their web catalog crashes every time I try to view the details (such as where they're kept). Still, it's at least possible that I might be able to obtain a new scan sometime next week. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 02:42, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I'll have a poke tomorrow, if I head into the library again. Adam Cuerden ^talk 03:50, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hadn't even thought of that... Alright. 68.39.174.238 18:22, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, there's a very good scan of the lemma in question here, though for some reason I can't extract it. Anyway, it'll need tilt correction and I can't do that. Adam Cuerden ^talk 16:00, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, nice find! I've extracted a high-resolution PNG version, with tilt correction, from that page. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 01:08, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ps. Getting the scanned image out of the PDF file was indeed somewhat difficult, since couldn't find a program that could do it. My eventual solution was to convert the PDF to PostScript, extract the first page only (with psutils) and to add the following line to the PostScript code before %%EndPageSetup:

/image {(P4 ) print 4 index = 3 index = {dup 1024 string readstring exch print not {exit} if} loop 5 {pop} repeat} bind def

This very ugly kluge will, assuming the image is a 2-color bitmap and supplied as a file object, print it out as a valid PBM file instead of rendering it when run through a postscript renderer like gs -q -dNODISPLAY - <input.ps >output.pbm. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 01:08, 28 August 2007 (UTC) —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 02:14, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]