Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 October 22

Similar to the Elvis sidebar nominated below. We have enough navigation with the main navbox and Template:Michael Jackson songs. Sidebar is not needed. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:30, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete this sidebar duplicates information already in other navboxes, is an WP:ACCESSIBILITY nightmare and doesn't even appear to have all the relevant information. -Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 08:37, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the sidebar, it complements the main navbox by providing quick, consistent navigation across Michael Jackson related pages. Many major celebrities have similar sidebars for context and ease of use. Accessibility or overlap issues can be resolved through editing, not deletion. FreddyFrazier (talk) 21:35, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This discussion is your only edits. Very suspect. Your vote still does not address the nomination. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:50, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete clutter. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:01, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, Zackmann08 and Parakanyaa. Many major celebrities have similar sidebars is an WP:OTHERSTUFF argument, which is refuted by all other celebrity sidebars that have recently been deleted. I think it is also overruled by WP:LEADSIDEBAR in virtually all cases due to the needless clutter it causes in every page it is embedded into. NLeeuw (talk) 19:42, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Campaignbox Eighty Years' War

Template:Campaignbox Eighty Years' War (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose splitting Template:Campaignbox Eighty Years' War into...

a general Template:Campaignbox Eighty Years' War (comparable to the general campaignbox Template:Campaignbox Hundred Years' War), with only links to:
- the main article Eighty Years' War;
- the period articles (including Origins, Aftermath, and Historiography), and
- the list of battles;
period-specific campaignboxes: separate campaignboxes per period, with links to actual battles (comparable to the Template:Campaignbox Caroline War as a campaignbox specifically for the 1369–1389 period of the Hundred Years' War: Hundred Years' War, 1369–1389, a.k.a. the Caroline War or Caroline Phase):

Nominator's rationale: This sidebar is evidently overgrown; a problem which I myself substantially contributed to (7%) over the years. Splitting it after the Hundred Years' War model is in line with the policies, guidelines, conventions, precedents and suggestions I've gathered at User:Nederlandse Leeuw/Campaignboxes, more specifically the 1 war rule. The idea to split this infobox was also previously discussed at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 May 28#Template:Campaignbox Spanish colonial campaigns. Technically, discussion is not necessary, as I could split this whole sidebar myself WP:BOLDly as proposed, but the sheer number of pages involved and the fact that it was discussed previously makes me think it would be courteous to talk about it before I do anything. If nobody objects, I'll proceed anyway, but if there are objections, this is the time to discuss them. NLeeuw (talk) 19:44, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

PS: Note that the nl:Tien jaren (Tachtigjarige Oorlog) article already has a period-specific sidebar (zijbalk) listing only the battles occurring in the 1588—1598 period. (The Ten Years (Eighty Years' War) was a sort of "Mauritian phase"). NLeeuw (talk) 20:16, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @RobertJohnson35 and Benjitheijneb: you two engaged with me the most during the May 2025 TfDs on overgrown campaignboxes. I think you'll be interested in discussing this proposal as well (originally suggested by RobertJohnson35).

NLeeuw (talk) 09:51, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but convert to navbox - I think it is useful to keep these links all together, but there is WAY too much going on here for a sidebar. This would be much better suited as a {{navbox}}. --Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 19:59, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Zackmann08 That seems a viable alternative. But would you recommend the same for the Hundred Years' War campaignboxes? Or is there a reason to treat them differently? NLeeuw (talk) 19:34, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I might add that, arguably, the List of battles of the Eighty Years' War will always be better at "keeping all the links together" than any navigation template. NLeeuw (talk) 19:37, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Nederlandse Leeuw: I'm less worried about the campaignboxes in Category:Hundred Years' War navigational boxes as they are MUCH smaller, but I certainly wouldn't object to them being navboxes. Full disclosure, I am generally of the opinion that sidebars suck and should almost always be converted to a navbox... That is just my personal viewpoint. I can expand on why if you want, but I don't think that is really helpful to this discussion. IMHO Template:Campaignbox Eighty Years' War is massive and really not helpful in its current form. I do see the value in having a navigation box to link these related articles, but I think it should be in the form of a navbox, not a sidebar. Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 19:52, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Zackmann08 Oh I largely agree with that perspective, but certain sidebars are useful if concise and practical. I'm curious what you think of my essay User:Nederlandse Leeuw/Campaignboxes? I'm trying to make clearer and stricter rules for campaignboxes, to make them either useful or to get rid of them. Navboxification, as you are proposing, is often indeed a better option. Cheers, NLeeuw (talk) 19:57, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Nederlandse Leeuw: I'll be honest, I'm not really eager to read another essay right now... lol. I applaud your efforts and hope you continue but I've got other projects I'm working on and are pulling my attention at the moment. Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 20:14, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Zackmann08 That's fine haha! Should you have anything to add or suggest, you could always say so on its talk page. I'm happy to receive feedback. :) NLeeuw (talk) 20:20, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Kurt Waldheim sidebar

Template:Kurt Waldheim sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unneeded sidebar. We don't need a sidebar for every world leader. Such a small grouping of links for the subject and for a sidebar. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:55, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 20:07, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Yeah, per nom. — Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 02:37, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete tiny sidebar that adds nothing but clutter. --Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 08:37, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:07, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete clutter. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:01, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Meir Kahane sidebar

Template:Meir Kahane sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused and unneeded sidebar. Most of the links have very little to do with Kahane himself. The ideology section is a Synth grouping. The category for the subject is enough. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:54, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 20:09, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete tiny sidebar that adds nothing but clutter. --Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 08:38, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:07, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete clutter. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:01, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Anders Fogh Rasmussen sidebar

Template:Anders Fogh Rasmussen sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unneeded sidebar. We don't need a sidebar for every world leader. Such a small grouping of links for the subject and for a sidebar. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:53, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 20:09, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete tiny sidebar that adds nothing but clutter. --Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 08:38, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:07, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi sidebar

Template:Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unneeded sidebar. Too small of a grouping for a sidebar. We don't need a sidebar for every world leader. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:51, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 20:09, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete tiny sidebar that adds nothing but clutter. --Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 08:38, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:07, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Mohammad Abdul Hamid sidebar

Template:Mohammad Abdul Hamid sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unneeded sidebar. We don't need a sidebar for every world leader. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:51, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 20:09, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete tiny sidebar that adds nothing but clutter. --Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 08:38, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:07, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Nnamdi Azikiwe sidebar

Template:Nnamdi Azikiwe sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unneeded sidebar. We don't need a sidebar for every world leader. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:50, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 20:09, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete tiny sidebar that adds nothing but clutter. --Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 08:38, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:07, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Rafael Caldera sidebar

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:33, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Rafael Caldera sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

We have a navbox for Rafale Caldera at Template:Rafael Caldera. While the navbox needs work, we don't need a sidebar for every world leader. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:48, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 20:09, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete tiny sidebar that adds nothing but clutter. --Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 08:38, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:08, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:USA Network Shows in the 1990s

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:32, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:USA Network Shows in the 1990s (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:USA Network Shows in the 2000s (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:USA Network Shows in the 2010s (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:USA Network Shows in the 2020s (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:U.S. Network Shows in the 1980s (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused templates that split Template:USA Network Shows. But no discussion was held to warrant a split of the main USA network template. All created by an IP and not seeing what need there was in the first place. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:27, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 20:10, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:08, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delet not used, net helpful, not needed. Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 23:43, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Elvis Presley sidebar

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:31, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Elvis Presley sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

There is already Template:Elvis Presley, which is linked from 395 articles. Magnolia677 (talk) 11:14, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

delete, duplicate navigation. better to use the footer navbox for navigation. navboxes, unlike sidebars, don't crowd other right floating content like images and infoboxes. Frietjes (talk) 19:17, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 20:09, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete well crafted. However, I also agree we already have the footer navbox. This should apply to the recently created Template:Michael Jackson sidebar IMO. Regards, Apoxyomenus (talk) 20:30, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Template:Adolf Hitler series has a footer navbox. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:37, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Does not violate any policy on sidebar or template navigation. It doesn't have all the links like those of US presidents or UK PM"s, nor should it. It isn't meant to do the same thing as navboxes. And not every person with a navbox needs a sidebar. If they have a navbox that meets basic navigation requirements then that is enough. Just because we can create, doesn't mean we need to. Navboxes should be the first step in my view, sidebars can come if they warrant it. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:35, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete tiny sidebar that adds nothing but clutter. --Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 08:38, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:35, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:08, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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