Talk:Anirudh Devgan

Bizblues (talk) 22:15, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

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First, I'd like to add two important awards. He has been awarded a IEEE Fellow and the IIT Dehli Distinguished Alumni Award" Second, I'd like to add an award he just received: In 2023, he was elected to the National Academy of Engineering.

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Adding awards

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I'd like to add these to Anirudh's page:

He has been awarded an IEEE Fellow and the IIT Dehli Distinguished Alumni Award . In 2023 he was elected to the National Academy of Engineering. Bizblues (talk) 22:49, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

This isn't a place to make lists of nonnotable awards, and you should not be editing this article given the COI you have. MrOllie (talk) 21:49, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

@MrOllie Being elected an IEEE Fellow is explicitly mentioned as sufficient for notability in Wikipedia:Notability_(academics) under Specific criteria notes item 3. Anirudh Devgan was elected IEEE Fellow in 2006. His 2021 Phil Kaufman Award is considered "the Nobel prize of the EDA industry". These distinctions and the election to the NAE show that Devgan made exceptional contributions to his field. There is no reason to question his notability, and the hostility to adding his contributions is unjustified (also borderline offensive). As I don't have any CoI with Devgan, I added his key contributions with references and hope that the banner questioning notability is removed. B030510 (talk) 07:08, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

I removed more additions of nonnotable awards and promotional statements. Asking a paid editor to abide by Wikipedia's terms of use is not 'hostile'. MrOllie (talk) 14:38, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

@MrOllie, I have received a message from @B030510 at my talk page.

I am generally an inclusionist but after Google News search I had felt doubtful about WP:SIGCOV and looking at then this talk page discussion (see t/p history) I had tagged the article for COI and Notability. If @MrOllie or/and any other experinced user feel satisfied with the state of article, from my side, I would not have any issues in removing the said tags.

Best wishes and cheers

Bookku (talk) 15:29, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

I still have issues with the article. The source given for IEEE Fellowship was to a company press release, which is not a reliable source. I checked and he does not appear in the IEEE Fellows directory. Still needs better sourcing. MrOllie (talk) 15:37, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

@MrOllie - thank you for the fast response. Interesting observation about IEEE Fellowship! I'll ask if anyone at IEEE can check the records for errors. However, the Phil Kaufman Award is much more selective than the IEEE Fellowship (you can see the caliber of people who received it) and is well-sourced, so why doesn't that alone satisfy notability? Also, membership in National Academy of Engineering (a society) is more selective than IEEE Fellowship and you removed it from the Awards section even though it is well-sourced. I'll leave lesser disagreements for later discussions :) B030510 (talk) 19:28, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Niche awards don't lead to automatic notability. That's for stuff like MacArthur Fellowships or Nobel prizes - the kind of things where the recipients are getting written up in the newspaper. MrOllie (talk) 19:33, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Let's read the rules, @MrOllie Specifically, Wikipedia:Notability (academics):

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Specific criteria notes

2. The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level.

3. The person has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association (e.g., a National Academy of Sciences or the Royal Society) or a Fellow of a major scholarly society for which that is a highly selective honor (e.g., the IEEE).

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Devgan was elected to National Academy of Engineering, which is at the same exact level as National Academy of Sciences. Could you explain why you removed that piece of info and why don't you accept that for notability per item 3?

As for "written up in a newspaper", you are applying general notability requirements that are not required for academic notability. The Phil Kaufman Award is the top international award in the field of Electronic Design Automation (as explained in the respective article) and not a niche award. It should be sufficient for academic notability per item 2. But even the NAE membership alone should be enough for notability per item 3. Morally, Devgan is a highly accomplished academic with several top awards/honors in his field (including two prestigious awards for his scholarly papers, that you removed), so I don't understand the resistance to applying stated rules for academic notability. Granted, the involvement of a paid editor was awkward, but that does not take away from established accomplishments.

@MrOllie, Criteria 2 and 3 do not discuss breadth of the field or niches, but just in case

“ For the purposes of satisfying Criterion 1, the academic discipline of the person in question needs to be sufficiently broadly construed. Major disciplines, such as physics, mathematics, history, political science, or their significant subdisciplines (e.g., particle physics, algebraic geometry, medieval history, fluid mechanics, cancer genetics are valid examples). Overly narrow and highly specialized categories should be avoided. Arguing that someone is an expert in an extremely narrow area of study is, in and of itself, not necessarily sufficient to satisfy Criterion 1, except for the actual leaders in those subjects.

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To this end, Electronic Design Automation is comparable to algebraic geometry. Top conferences are attended by several thousands people every year, there are IEEE Transactions and ACM Transactions (peer-reviewed journals run by broad professional societies) focused on this field, etc. I am curious how you are going to substantiate your claims of "niche" awards/fields. But, again, a top national or international award does not even need to be checked for niche. Moreover, the Kaufman award is the top leadership award in the field (and Devgan is the CEO of a top-two company), so even Criterion 1 has an exception for "niche fields", in case you insist on your assessment. B030510 (talk) 22:04, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

@Bookku - tagging you since the notability concerns were yours. B030510 (talk) 22:13, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

B030510 (talk) 20:09, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

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Adding information about his career at Cadence

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Under this text:

In 2012, Devgan joined Cadence Design Systems serving in a number of senior leadership roles before being named President in 2017. In 2021, Devgan joined the board of directors, and later assumed the role of CEO, taking over from Lip-Bu Tan.

Please add:

Under Devgan's leadership, Cadence has grown its net worth to $56B by February 2023.[1] Cadence expanded into biosimulation with the acquisition of OpenEye Scientific.[2] Cadence continued expanding into CFD simulation with the acquisitions of Future Facilitites and Cascade Technologies.[3] Bizblues (talk) 22:34, 13 February 2023 (UTC)