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Help setting up a new wikipedia page

Hi I am an and want to set up a page for an Artist. Can anyone help me please?

Can this done without publishing until it is at least semi complete? TRMODELS (talk) 12:29, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @TRMODELS.

You can create a draft article and submit for review at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Please note there is a four+ month waiting list, as articles are reviewed in no particular order by volunteers.

For your article to have a chance to be accepted the artist must show that they pass the Wikipedia:Notability threshold. In essence, you need to find significant coverage of the artist in independent, third party, secondary, reliable sources. If you cannot find those sources then the artist cannot have a Wikipedia article at this time.

It would be worth reading Wikipedia:Your first article which gives you the dos and don'ts of creating an article, and Wikipedia:Five pillars which detail the fundamental principles of Wikipedia, plus the Wikipedia:Citing sources guide that explains how to cite sources.

Remember that Wikipedia is not a place for any type of self-promotion or advertisement. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia: not an advertising platform, directory, or a way to promote a subject. Wikipedia is not a social media site like Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn.

Hope that helps! Qcne (talk) 12:34, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

I forgot to mention, if you are connected in any way to the artist, then you must declare your Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Qcne (talk) 12:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Dear Qcne, thank you for taking the time. The page is for Timothy Richards www.timothyrichardscommissions.com

I am a newby so please forgive me if I am using the wrong language, like "page".

There is a lot of information to take in. Timothy is a one off who has over the past 36 years resurrected the ancient craf Architectural Model making in plaster. It is a highly academic and artistic craft. Tim has been named in publications and works with highest level institutions globally.

He is however now 68 and we are looking at his legacy and the preservation of the same. Having him listed on a Wiki page appears like one of those steps to take.

I am senior manager of the workshop which may be , as you pointed out, conflicting. Could you kindly advise.

I am aware that there is no such thing as ownership on a page.

I look forward to further advice and am grateful for your time.

Kind regards TRMODELS (talk) 11:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi TRMODELS, as you may or may not know Wikipedia generally does not allow articles made specifically to promote someone. Unless there have been a number of secondary unbaised sources written about Timothy (in newspapers, online articles etc) it's unlikely a page will be able to made for him. Primary sources like the website you mentioned are generally looked down upon on Wikipedia. I think your first job should be to find a lot of secondary sources on Timothy and create a draft article as mentioned by Qcne. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 12:19, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Dear 🐟🍟 thank you for pointing the above out. There are more sources independent of myself.I understand that a website is not relevant here. He has been mentioned and written about in Books, Magazines, newspapers etc.

The main question is, if there are so many COI's then who can actually put an article up about Tims work. The only reason I am wishing to do this is because of the global historical value of his work. 86.178.78.238 (talk) 18:05, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

As to who can do it, typically an article is written by an independent editor who takes note of significant coverage of a topic and chooses to write about it. 331dot (talk) 18:10, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Ok thank you.

I feel quite defeated right now after all the messages which are all obviously meant very helpful and I am very grateful.

Yet, I feel each is telling me to back off.

everyone is telling me what can’t be done.

so really it’s left to chance complete If someone independent comes along and writes the article. Because it’s a specialist subject it may never happen?

kind regards 2A04:4A43:539F:E233:888D:5990:F88C:439C (talk) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

There is that possibility, yes. Please don't edit while logged out, and ask for a name change for your softblocked account. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:57, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, TRMODELS, and welcome to the Teahouse. One more point in addition to the good points that Qcne has already made: You use the words "set up a page", which suggests that you think that you will in some sense own that page, and can subsequently change it as you wish . Please note that nobody owns a Wikipedia article: anybody may edit it, and you will have no more right to do so than anybody else. In fact, if you have a COI (as Qcne mentions at the end) then you will not be allowed to edit it at all, but only to make suggestions for changing it. ColinFine (talk) 16:26, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

As in not edit it afterwards if you succeed in getting a draft accepted as an article. David notMD (talk) 21:39, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

List of hexagrams of the I Ching might need some cleanup

I stumbled upon the article List of hexagrams of the I Ching and found some strange texts, so I undid the change. After inspecting the edit history, I found the user Sudoh Neem has many edits before; I checked some of them and found they might be unrelated info (like the meaning of the Chinese characters in modern context and a Google search page as reference), but I can't decide what to do with those edits.

Most of those edits (and even the article itself) also lacks inline refs so I can't really tell if those additions has verifiable sources.

I'm not specifically against this one user; it's just that I feel some of the changes are not really necessary and adds noise to the article.

Ff19 (talk) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Ff19, and welcome to the Teahouse. The right place to discuss the content of a particular article is that article's talk page: in this case, Talk:List of hexagrams of the I Ching. You should Ping that user, so that they know you have opened the discussion. If you don't think many people will see that talk page, you could put a note on WT:WikiProject China inviting participation in the discussion. ColinFine (talk) 20:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Report for harrasment.

@Shshshsh is harrassing me a lot regarding an addition. @Fylindfotberserk already approved my addition at first but the previous one has crossed all the limits of harrasment. I will like to request an competent executive to look upon this matter whether i did any wrong edit or not . If they find any wrong about my addition i promise that i will apologize.

Here , User talk:SANKURDAS I got approval from @Fylindfotberserk.

It's that page where i made changes. Sridevi. SANKURDAS (talk) 10:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

SANKURDAS Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This is not the place to raise user conduct issues, that may be done at the Incidents adminstrator's board. Please do not post on several user talk pages requesting assistance. 331dot (talk) 11:10, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for this suggestion. SANKURDAS (talk) 11:11, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Disagreeing with you is not the same as harrassing you. Posting on the Talk pages of more than a half dozen editors, claiming you are being harrassed is wrong. Your edits to Sridevi have been reverted by more one editor. The proper place to attempt to reach consensus is the Talk page of the article, where it appears a discussion is ongoing. David notMD (talk) 12:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Disagreement is fine but when you provide all the necessary proofs but still getting rejection that means harassment and harassment in the sense of being said completely different stuffs each time which was already specified there .

Like in that case

If you see there i provided the source from NEWS-18 which is branch of CNN-IBN , a national organisation.More of all i provided the link where that very person was awarded with that title and in my side i have FILMFARE MAGAZINE COVER photo also but can't able to post that.

And one more thing,

apart from that title , in the funeral section also i raised one disapproval regarding a mistake. Why any of them is not commenting upon that ?

You showcased one more user's disagreement but didn't specify one wikipedian's approval which I got at first in your comment .SANKURDAS (talk) 13:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

No, that is not harassment at all. 331dot (talk) 13:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Did you check all those comments which is made in that user's talk page ? SANKURDAS (talk) 13:16, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

I did. It's not harassment. 331dot (talk) 13:20, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Then it's my mistake. By the way what is your review upon those statements ? SANKURDAS (talk) 13:22, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Consensus has not been achieved on the Talk oage of Sridevi. That place, not here, is the only place to continue a discussion. Teahouse Hosts function as volunteers to advise editors on Wikipedia practices - not to solve content disputes. David notMD (talk) 00:02, 2 July 2023 (UTC)