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E-Verify US Map

Article(s)
E-Verify
Illegal immigration to the United States
Request
Hi i am just wondering can sombody make a USA Map, of US states On E-Verify.

As of January 1, 2023 the following states require E-Verify for some or all employers:

  • Alabama,
  • Arizona,
  • Colorado,
  • Florida,
  • Georgia,
  • Idaho,
  • Indiana,
  • Louisiana,
  • Michigan,
  • Minnesota,
  • Mississippi,
  • Missouri,
  • Nebraska,
  • North Carolina,
  • Oklahoma,
  • Pennsylvania,
  • South Carolina,
  • Tennessee,
  • Texas,
  • Utah,
  • Virginia
  • West Virginia.

Here are the sources.[1] Thanks.La lopi (talk) 02:01, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.e-verify.gov/about-e-verify/history-and-milestones
Discussion

Hi, I can take this but the source you gave is not clear at all about the states that require E-Verify on 1 January 2023. The information is until 2021 and I have not found any reference to the states in question.

Image's request under progression Request taken by Ikonact (talk) 15:44, 8 February 2023 (UTC). Hi, i hope this helps i found this on the website of the National Conference of State Legislatures, it has its own map and information on the states (It should be noted it says these numbers are from 2015, So the Map could be called as E verify states as of 20150. hope this helps you. Thanks.[1] La lopi (talk) 01:48, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@La lopi:Draft here. Could you please check and let me know. If you find a more recent source I will be glad to update. Thanks --Ikonact (talk) 22:30, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
@Ikonact: Hi the map looks good, i had a check of the source and it looks good, i will keep a look out for updates for this map. but is it right with you, for the meantime i can put this map on the pages, that i planed to. thanks again, have a great weekend.La lopi (talk) 10:51, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
@La lopi: I found this source from December 2022. I am not knowledgeable on the subject and I prefer to limit my intervention to generating maps with a source that is given by more experienced people. If you find this source reliable I can update the map based on it. I can put the five categories that are identified, namely:
  • States that require all or most employers to use E-Verify: Alabama, Arizona, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Utah.
  • Public employers and/or contractors with the state: Florida, Indiana, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, and Texas.
  • Public employers only: Idaho and Virginia.
  • States with local/municipality E-Verify requirements: Colorado (Denver), Florida (Hernando County, Bonita Springs), Michigan (Ingham County, Macomb County, Oakland County), Missouri (O’Fallon), Nebraska (Fremont), and Washington (Hoquiam, Pierce County, Woodland).
  • State contractors only: Colorado, Louisiana, and Minnesota.
The categories are different. You can suggest grouping them. May be the fourth category can be omitted as it goes on lower level and some states are in other categories. Up to you! Thanks––Ikonact (talk) 15:52, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
@Ikonact: I checked that source, and i don't know about that group/website or feel comfortable using that source. I feel much more comfortable with the first map, and first source you done.La lopi (talk) 22:28, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
OK, thanks @La lopi: If you need some further update please let me know. At this stage I consider it  Done Ikonact (talk) 07:47, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

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Topographical map of southern England

Article(s)
Downland, and may also be useful on multiple articles we have on specific downs.
Request
I want to create a map of the downland in the UK. For this I need a topographical map of southern England. I can add the annotation of hill range names myself. The map needs to go at least as far north as Cambridge and at least as far West as Exeter. To the south and the east it needs to go all the way to the sea. Thanks, SpinningSpark 15:39, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
Discussion

Note that File:Blank topographic map of the British Isles.svg already exists. SpinningSpark 15:39, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Extended content
@Spinningspark I might be able to help but it depends on some stuff.
  • The map you linked to is not very nice and accurate when you zoom in on it to the degree needed for your request.
  • I mainly don't work with datasets/shapefiles so I do most of my work "by hand". For this it means I would create the topographic lines/areas from tracking a topographic bitmap and then work further with it in Inkscape.
  • So that in combination with your knowledge of this subject I think it would work, but it would not be the exact height curves you can see on OpenStreetMap or Google map.
So please let me know what you say about this, thanks. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:29, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
@Goran tek-en:. I was born in this kind of country, but I don't claim any special knowledge or expertise. I'm not concerned that areas follow an exact contour line. In fact, I don't think that one can really define downland as highland above a specific contour. More accurate would be the boundary of chalk outcrops as shown, for instance, on Ordnance Survey's "ten mile" geological survey map. There's an app available here, but I have to say it is a lot clearer on my old printed map which doesn't split the geology into so many fine strata. What I want to end up with is a map of the locations of the major named features of downland which are all found in our article in the Downland#Distribution section. SpinningSpark 17:20, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
@Spinningspark So not really a topographic map.
Most of the maps I find has copyright on them so we can't just copy them but have to transfer them "eye to hand".
  • I did try to open BGS Geology Viewer but it never finished loading so I guess I don't have the necessary hard/software for it.
  • Are any of those what you are looking for, 1 or 2
  • Another option is that if you have printed maps you say is what you want, that you scan them, send to me but still it would have to be "eye to hand".
--always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:18, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
@Goran tek-en: My map is 41 inches by 32 inches and I can only scan up to A4, so it would have to be done in parts. The good news is it's out of copyright. Your first link is nowhere near as detailed, but is probably good enough for our purposes. The chalkland north of The Wash is not usually called downs, it's The Wolds and I'm in two minds whether to include it. Perhaps we should to make it as generally useful in as many articles as possible. SpinningSpark 22:21, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
@Spinningspark You have to be very specific, now you are talking about maybe use one of my links but you have also uploaded a scan.
  • I'm sorry to be this "troublesome" but you have to specifically tell me which image/s to use, I have zero knowledge and I don't have you target image in my head as you do.
  • If the upload is a part of what you need it will work fine with me. If so, upload (or send me by email) all the needed part scans and I will assembly them. It's great it's out of copyright.
  • If this with your scans works we can (if you need) create two maps, one more detailed and one less detailed.
--always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 13:19, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Image's request under progression Request taken by --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 14:50, 7 January 2023 (UTC).

  • @Goran tek-en and Goran tek-en: Sorry for being vague. When I first made the request there was not a clear idea in my head of what was needed and I thought a map maker might want some input. So let's firm this up. Please use my geological survey map as a basis. Make a map of all the chalk formation outcrops in England. These are the light green areas on the map if you have not worked that out already. When you get the rest of the map, it is marked h5 in the map key. You can leave out all the small clay "enclaves" within the chalk outcrops, those are details that are just going to detract from the purpose of the map. I'll assess whether we need a cropped image to a more focused area once you have made it.
As a separate request (not necessarily for you to do), do you think it would be possible to have someone remove the fold lines from a complete, rejoined image? This would be a nice map to have for all sorts of purposes. SpinningSpark 14:18, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
Spinningspark Thanks now I get it. Yes I might want to give some input but I still have to understand what you are looking for and needing, then I will add what ever I can add.
  • Is this the overall area you want?
  • I might be able to help you with the second request also. I'm not sure it can be completely removed but improved. Try to flatten out the map (put pressure on it) as much as you can when scanning, to reduce the folding lines.
  • I will also need the name/number of the map and information why it's out of copyright, thanks. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 14:50, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
  1. Yes, that will do nicely
  2. I started to scan the map, but my PC has just decided it has lost the scanner driver. I'll have to come back to this another day after I've sorted that out. Because of the size, it is going to be 20 or so separate scans.
  3. It's out of copyright because Crown Copyright expires after 50 years (see my upload for suitable license tag). This map is the 2nd edition published 1957 (and I've had it almost as long). There are two titles. One on the cover says "Geological Survey "Ten-mile" Map: Sheet 2". On the map itself it says "Geological Map of Great Britain: Sheet 2, England and Wales". SpinningSpark 16:54, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
    @Spinningspark Have you decided what to do, scan in a shop or send it to me? --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 11:13, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
    The physical map is already on its way to you as dicussed on e-mail. SpinningSpark 16:32, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
    @Spinningspark Please always ping me, thanks.
    Ye,s I saw it as discussions not a decision but that's fine. Will let you know when I got it. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 12:21, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
    @Spinningspark I haven't received anything yet, can you find another map, or similar, or what shall we do? --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 13:42, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
    @Goran tek-en: Sorry for the delay in responding, I have very little time for Wikipedia at the moment. That's upsetting news. I guess the best thing to do is go with one of the maps you found online [1]. SpinningSpark 17:38, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
    @Spinningspark It's your request so it's up to you what sources to use but I just found this. If you click on the areas of interest/download and check in the pdf there are maps with with a yellowish area marked Chalk Group. Is those what you want?
    • If so I want you to check licensing and copyright what I can use it for. If I can redraw (copy) or if I just can use it as information?
    Remember that it is for commons and not wikipedia, different rules. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:11, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
    @Goran tek-en: I would say don't use it. The mapping is very course compared to a proper BGS map – it looks more diagrammatic than map to me. Certainly nowhere near the detail on a proper BGS map. Even the coast outline does not look particularly accurate. The Isle of Sheppey, for instance, is set much more distant from the mainland than it actually is (compare the satellite view on Google maps). SpinningSpark 18:32, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
    @Spinningspark I didn't intend to use that kind of info from those maps, the question was really, are Chalk Group areas correct enough for you?
    If so consider the copyright info above. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:15, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
  1. @Goran tek-en: I've already answered on accuracy. I said above which map we should go with. I'm not an expert on copyright so you can't ask me to pronounce on it. You're the mapmaker so you should be in a better position to judge. But it is my understanding that data is not copyrightable so the boundary of a geological outcrop is no more subject to copyright than a coastline or the path of a river. I had a map that was out of copyright and now it's been lost. I valued that map and this conversation is beginning to drive me to distraction over it. I really don't have anything else I can usefully put in. SpinningSpark 15:51, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

@Spinningspark: I do understand you have lost a map which you valued, I'm sorry for that.
Yes, I do have questions as I'm really trying my best to create a map you will be happy with but for that I need a good source. As you haven't provided that I'm trying to find one and therefore I have questions, I have zero knowledge of this subject, please bear that in mind.

Uploaded Downland in southern England
 Done {{resolved}}

Request

  • Sub-Saharan Africa without the Sahel region
    Sub-Saharan Africa without the Sahel region
  • The Sahel region
    The Sahel region
Article(s)
Sub-Saharan Africa
Request
Add the Sahel region to sub-Saharan Africa in the map of sub-Saharan Africa because the Sahel region is a part of sub-Saharan Africa. The definition of sub-Saharan Africa is the area and regions of the continent of Africa that lie south of the Sahara, and the Sahel region is a region of the continent of Africa that lies south of the Sahara. -- Treetoes023 (talk) 01:46, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Discussion

@Treetoes023: No, it's not that simple. 1) There is no clear definition for any of them, let alone "sub-Sahara". 2) The source that use the definition that you mentioned tend to include the Sahel in the Sahara (this is the case for Britannica, the source that you wanted use when you made the first request). 3) If you want to show the countries that are often considered as part of Sub-Saharan Africa, then that's another subject. M.Bitton (talk) 12:53, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@M.Bitton: Yes, it's that simple.
  1. The Sahel has a clear definition, it is the region directly south of the Sahara that seperates the Sahara from the Sudanian savanna making it by defintion sub-Saharan.
  2. Britannica actually does acknowledge that the Sahel is not a part of the Sahara in both the Sahara's and Sahel's respective articles, along with many other sources such as these 123 (page 23) and more that I can provide if you want me to.
  3. The source I gave you when I first made my request was a mistake, I pulled the first image of google that clearly showed boundaries of the Sahara without really inspecting it which is entirely my fault. The source I gave you depicts the Sahara-Sahel which is lumps the Sahara and Sahel together due to political similarities and not geography which is what my request aims to depict.
I'm sorry if my response comes off as rude, it is not my intention but I can see that it definitely sounds like someone who doesn't like you wrote it which is not the case I just don't have the time to change the wording to make it sound less aggressive because I have to study for SATs lol. Treetoes023 (talk) 20:23, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
@Treetoes023: I disagree with your WP:OR based conclusion. My offer of creating a map that shows the countries that are usually considered by RS as part of Sub-Saharan Africa still stands (shown in the PDF that you cited). M.Bitton (talk) 20:29, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
@M.Bitton: I do no think my conclusion is WP:OR. Some of the sources I provided directly support my claim, for example "The Sahel region of sub-Saharan Africa..." (page 23). That would make it not original research. Treetoes023 (talk) 03:08, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
@Treetoes023: the map that you're proposing is pure WP:OR. The only sources that matter when it comes to creating maps are RS maps and not our interpretation of a text (unless it's unambiguous, such as lists of countries, etc). While the Sahara and the Sahel are physical regions, sub Saharan Africa is a political region that is rarely portrayed as a physical one (it took me ages to find a source for the physical region that you originally requested). In hindsight, and given the intended purpose of the map, that was a bad idea. I have now adjusted the maps so that they comply with RS and the common definitions. Sudan was added in light green (in line with the other map that is on the article). M.Bitton (talk) 18:46, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
@M.Bitton: I agree with your decision, I am sorry for my stubbornness. Although, I still think a geographic map of sub-Saharan Africa is not without merit, not as the main picture on the article of course. Could you leave all of the maps as they originally were including that the Sahel was not included in sub-Saharan Africa and make separate maps based on the political definitions and we use the political based maps in the article. I think that the geography maps could be useful in the future even if they aren't useful right now. Treetoes023 (talk) 20:02, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
@Treetoes023: I don't see the point of letting a confusing map that isn't used hog the common name. If you ever need similar ones, ping me and I'll happily upload them. M.Bitton (talk) 21:12, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
@M.Bitton: Will do. Treetoes023 (talk) 22:54, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

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  1. ^ https://www.ncsl.org/immigration/state-e-verify-action
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