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When I was doing a stub sort for a new article(Lansing River Trail, I noticed that there are no stub types (that I can find at least) about hiking/ATV/snowmobile/ski/etc. trails. They are categorized according to location using {{location-geo-stub}} which only shows that the subject of the article exists in a geographic location. There may not be quite enough articles to warrant the creation of {{location-trail-stubs}} but look at a list like List of rail trails which is mostly stubs and redlinks(future stubs) shows that there should be at least 40-60 stubs. Mr.Z-mantalk 21:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
- As long as they remain double-stubbed with their location-geo-stub, I don't see much of a problem if there are 60. There may well be, there are quite a few related to tramping tracks in other parts of the world (I know there are several New Zealand ones). There may even be a few misclassified as road stubs. The difficulty might be classifying where road stubs stop and trail stubs start. Grutness...wha? 00:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
PS - Here are a few of them (I've started with NZ, since it's the one I know best - I've since added the Aussie ones) - feel free to add to this list, since I'm not convinced that stubsense would be able to help us find them all given their current categorisation. if we can find 60... Grutness...wha? 00:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
- East Cape to Cape Egmont Traverse
- New Zealand tramping tracks
- New Zealand Great Walks
- Te Araroa Trail
- Abel Tasman Inland Track
- St James Walkway
- Routeburn Track
- Rakiura Track
- Australian Alps Walking Track
- Great Ocean Walk
- Warburton Trail
- Heysen Trail
- Strzelecki Track
- List of Bush walking tracks of Tasmania
- South Coast and Port Davey Tracks
- Hume and Hovell Track
- Katoomba to Mittagong Trail
- Tops to Myall Heritage Trail
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Well over 150 stubs on actors and actresses for Argentina -this is far less than 1/10th of what will eventually be covered. Argentina has a major film industry of its own and many many notable actors. Although Category:South American actor stubs exists which has 88 not many people know about it and argentine actor articles usually have argentina-bio-stub and actor stub to which both categories have a HUGE amount and need sorting. The stub category would use the same film picture as Category:Argentine film stubs. Trust me on this soon enough there will be hundreds and hundreds and Brazil has a major film industry too!!. I remember the debate over Category:Argentine film stubs because there were only 43 -6 weeks ago -well now there are well over 225!! There are a number of other editors working on Argentine actors so this a must
Ernst Stavro Blofeld 18:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
- support StubSense verifies there is enough existing stubs. Monni 20:07, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
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The category is not overly large but, from taking a look around the category, I can tell there are more than enough people stubs. Also, the category is extremely poorly sorted.--Thomas.macmillan 03:21, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- Comment: How many is "more than enough"? — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 06:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- More than the 60 which is the norm. I just haven't done a precise hand count or sorted the category properly yet.--Thomas.macmillan 06:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. I did a hand count and partial sort of the category and found between 70 and 80 potential bio stubs.--Thomas.macmillan 18:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
- Sounds good. Support Valentinian T / C 22:48, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
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I propose a stub for articles relating to string theory. There are at present 84 articles in the string theory category, many of which are stubs. The other point is that articles on string theory are expected to increase. MP (talk) 17:57, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- Support, on the basis of need (physics-stub is oversized), clear scope, and what stubsense says. I'm concerned, though, that not all of those might be appropriately taggable, especially the various bios. Alai 21:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Very popular topic being expanded at the moment due to the shows on TV lately. Goldenrowley 02:37, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
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This template has existed for quite some time and deliniate a major section of fantasy literature. Currently it redirects to {{fantasy-book-stub}}. It is long overdue that it should take a life of it's own and should support the well over 250 articles that use the template. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 16:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- Support; I'm surprised this hasn't been formally proposed already. Alai 16:33, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- Support, assuming that {{fantasy-book-stub}} would be for non-fiction books about fantasy, like the {{sf-book-stub}}? Cheers, Her Pegship (tis herself) 17:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- And short-story collections and such like, right? Alai 17:23, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- Support well known topic in the real world. Goldenrowley 02:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
- I was going to propose {{fantasy-story-stub}} / Category:Fantasy story stubs and {{fantasy-story-coll-stub}} / Category:Fantasy story collection stubs later but if these are agreed here we can go for them. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:53, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
- Comment / Question: But, uh, what is a "fantasy book" that is not a "fantasy novel", and are there so many of them that this disambiguation is necessary? It's not computing for me. All I can think of in the way of "non-novel fantasy books" is "support" books in the quasi-non-fiction category, like The Languages of Tolkien's Middle-earth and The Atlas of Middle-earth. Are there so many notable instances of those that they are being drowned out by fantasy novels? Or am I missing something crucial here? (It's been known to happen...) — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 06:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, those items are the main ones that are "books" but don't forget "novels" are not strictly speaking "books" any way they are just normally delivered that way. Anyhow, that asside don't forget all the short stories, anthologies and short story collections there are. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:44, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- To second Kevin, yes, books about the fantasy genre, as well as short stories, are what we're talking about, and there are plenty. Take a look at Category:Science fiction books for a parallel example. Her Pegship (tis herself) 15:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, those items are the main ones that are "books" but don't forget "novels" are not strictly speaking "books" any way they are just normally delivered that way. Anyhow, that asside don't forget all the short stories, anthologies and short story collections there are. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:44, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
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Slightly small (at 59), and rather broad... best-looking split I can find from the non-fict-books (still oversized). Alai 20:05, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- I may have an alternative to this annoyingly-broad category. Stay tuned. Her Pegship (tis herself) 21:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- (later that same day) How about Category:Sports book stubs (41), Category:Travel book stubs (53), or Category:Art book stubs (39)? Her Pegship (tis herself) 21:13, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose popular culture due to the trouble and POV of defining a "popular culture". Support the stubs counter-suggested by Pegship as bookstore type categories. Goldenrowley 02:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
- O./S. precisely per Goldenrowley. The Pegship-narrowed categories are so obvious I can't believe the don't exist already. Only caveat would be that "art books" is likely to want to split into "Books of photographs", "Books about photography" (painting, etc., ad infinitum.) Eventually needed anyway, just saying "expect it". But "popular culture" books isn't cutting it (makes me think "Hunter S. Thompson", heh). — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 07:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- OK, shall I create {{travel-book-stub}} & Category:Travel book stubs, and upmerged templates for the others? Her Pegship (tis herself) 20:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
- (later that same day) How about Category:Sports book stubs (41), Category:Travel book stubs (53), or Category:Art book stubs (39)? Her Pegship (tis herself) 21:13, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Skate-bio subcats
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Five off hitting their fifth page, these subtypes seem viable:
- Category:Figure skater stubs 641
- and/or:
- Category:Speed skater stubs 110
I had a feeling the speedsters had been proposed before, but no link to the above cat, at least. Alai 07:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Aelfthrytha
- Support, with qualm: The numbers back it. I really hope, though, that the parent stub template isn't really called "skate"; I thought this was about skateboarding when I saw that; too ambiguous. No qualms about the cat. names proposed here, including the and/or's, just to be clear (but assuming there is a cognizable difference between a figure skater and an ice dancer; I don't know enough about the sport(s) to offer an opinion myself. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 07:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- I was imprecise in my choice of header; the template corresponding to the parent is {{skating-bio-stub}}. For most of them, {{skater-stub}} would be applicable, the broader descriptor presumably be to take in coaches and any other such related people. A "figure skater" are a type of "ice skater", and an "ice dancer" is a type of figure skater, as I was trying to indicate with the bulletting. Alai 14:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
- Question: Is there a reason they are "figure skater" instead of "ice skater"? Just for brevity, the latter seems preferable to me. If these are industry terms of art or something I have no issues with it. Whatever the sports mavens watching this topic want, really. (I labelled this "question" rather than even "comment" for a reason; disregard it for even a hint of consensus-guage purposes, please.) — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 07:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- My guess would be to distinguish these skaters from, say, speed skaters. Her Pegship (tis herself) 00:56, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Ohio geography subcats
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This is now oversized, having grown spectacularly recently (it was <400 at the last db dump!). I suggest per-county templates, upmerged to suitable regions... though I'm not quite clear what those are. There's a couple of metro. areas, and the article Extreme Northwest Ohio certainly defines a crisp-sounding region as a list of counties, but I confess my geographic knowledge of the state isn't the best. I'll ask for more input at the appropriate WPJ. Alai 06:05, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- Sounds reasonable - IIRC California-geo-stub is split by counties. I'm leaving the sub-state level geo-splits to our 'merkin editors. If it's smaller than state-sized I figure someone else is likely to be in a far better position to know what's right. Grutness...wha? 06:29, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- As far as official splits on anything other than a county basis is concerned, I don't know. I suspect a lot of these new stubs are the work of WikiProject Ohio townships since there are over 1300 of them, of which a fair number have articles. If so, this means there likely are few if any of Ohio's 88 counties that have over 60 stubs since the ~1000 stubs will be fairly evenly split with an average of 12 stubs each. Perhaps a separate stub type for the Wikiproject? Caerwine Caer’s whines 07:18, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- I'd made a similar calculation as regards per county cats. I didn't know about the wikiproject: I've left them a message, too. It seems they're actually almost all the work of one editor (or at least, the "new growth" is). Alai 07:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- It has 5 members listed, tho I have no idea how active they all are. Caerwine Caer’s whines 07:38, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- I'd made a similar calculation as regards per county cats. I didn't know about the wikiproject: I've left them a message, too. It seems they're actually almost all the work of one editor (or at least, the "new growth" is). Alai 07:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- As far as official splits on anything other than a county basis is concerned, I don't know. I suspect a lot of these new stubs are the work of WikiProject Ohio townships since there are over 1300 of them, of which a fair number have articles. If so, this means there likely are few if any of Ohio's 88 counties that have over 60 stubs since the ~1000 stubs will be fairly evenly split with an average of 12 stubs each. Perhaps a separate stub type for the Wikiproject? Caerwine Caer’s whines 07:18, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm the editor who created all of those new township articles, although I was unaware of a townships wikiproject. I respectfully disagree with the idea of regionally-based stub categories, since we don't have any specific geographical boundaries in Ohio that can easily be defined by counties. I'm from Logan County, Ohio, barely half an hour from Allen County (mentioned in the Extreme Northwest article), and I've never heard of an "Extreme Northwest Ohio" region being specifically delineated nor see why Allen County, for example, would fit therein. If we have a basis (such as census) for such boundaries, that's different, but I'm not aware of such a thing. As the Northwest Ohio article says, "Just like any other region, there is no universally agreed-upon line for NW Ohio, as the entire area is defined differently by the opinions of multiple people." Since several of the regions on the {{Ohio}} template extend over multiple states, and since none of them (except the uncertain Northwest, and possibly the Black Swamp) claim to include specific counties, I can't see how we could determine these regional boundaries in a NPOV manner.
Instead, I would propose a {{Ohio-twp-stub}} stub, since a large number of these stubs are townships (witness the ones that I've done). I think such would break down the backlog in the geo stub without the inherent subjectivity of a regionally-divided set of stubs, and there really isn't much that can be done to increase the list of township stubs once all township articles are created (over sixty of the eighty-eight counties have articles on all their townships). Since some township articles are developed past stub status, such as the ones for Logan County, I can't see a reason that the rest couldn't gradually be developed in the same manner. Nyttend 14:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- I don't really see the point of a separate township type, either a) from the point of view of the stub-sorting project, if we just end up with an over-large "Ohio townships" type, rather than an over-large "places in Ohio" type; or b) from the point of view of Ohio editors, unless they happen to have a systematic preference for editing articles about townships vs. non-township places, as against places they're familiar with on a geographic basis. Your argument against the particular Extreme Northwest type is admittedly fairly compelling, though, and makes me wonder about the bona fides of that article -- possibly a POV split about definition of "Northwest Ohio"? But surely we can use USCB's definitions of metropolitan and statistical areas? At least the latter are supposedly defined in terms of numbers of whole counties, and where they cross state lines, we can just consider the portion within each separately (or ignore them, if what that leaves is too titchy). (I don't think NPOV is a huge worry, since these categories are there for editorial convenience, rather than as encyclopaedic statements per se (just so long as they don't cause actual offence or start brushfire edit wars over them). For example, the USCB define Greater Cleveland as five counties, so I'd suggest using them as the basis of a Category:Greater Cleveland geography stubs, or a Category:Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor geography stubs if one wants to use their terminology (or Category:Cleveland-Akron-Elyria geography stubs if one uses the broader CSA. Alai 16:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- The problem with using the Census bureau's MSA's or CSA's is (as you pointed out that some of them such as Cincinnati's cross state borders. Worse, they're not static and are adjusted every decade. The latter problem is merely irritating, but the former is a problem as using MSA's for the next level of organization would mean that a {{Cincinnati-geo-stub}} would need to be a child of Ohio, Kentucky, and Indiana. There is one region that can be easily defined in a non POV manner, the Western Reserve. Unfortunately, it's only easily defined at the township level, not the county level. Caerwine Caer’s whines 19:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- My whole point is that I knew of no official divisions of Ohio by any agency other than the 88 counties established by state law. Aside from the problems Caerwine notes, I would say that the MSAs or CSAs would be a perfect way to divide, except that ones such as the Bellefontaine micropolitan area and many others likewise are just one county. As far as NPOV, I'm simply thinking that it wouldn't be good to have arbitrary divisions if possible; I'm not worried about having people getting angry over whether their county is in one region or another :-) But yeah, I'm sure that any fixed and sensible official divisions would be a good idea. Nyttend 19:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- I worried about this when we split various US types into the four large USCB regions, but aside from some grumbling at one point about Delaware not really being in the South, it seems to have been relatively rage-free. ("Don't blame us, blame your Evil Federal Government" is my standby retort.) I don't like the multiple-parent MSA/CSA solution; for the case you mention, I'd suggest having separate Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky stubs, as children of their respective states, only (ignoring the odd Indiana county), making the precise definition explicit on the category pages, rather than necessarily trying to encode it in the stub type name. Alai 02:31, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- My whole point is that I knew of no official divisions of Ohio by any agency other than the 88 counties established by state law. Aside from the problems Caerwine notes, I would say that the MSAs or CSAs would be a perfect way to divide, except that ones such as the Bellefontaine micropolitan area and many others likewise are just one county. As far as NPOV, I'm simply thinking that it wouldn't be good to have arbitrary divisions if possible; I'm not worried about having people getting angry over whether their county is in one region or another :-) But yeah, I'm sure that any fixed and sensible official divisions would be a good idea. Nyttend 19:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- The problem with using the Census bureau's MSA's or CSA's is (as you pointed out that some of them such as Cincinnati's cross state borders. Worse, they're not static and are adjusted every decade. The latter problem is merely irritating, but the former is a problem as using MSA's for the next level of organization would mean that a {{Cincinnati-geo-stub}} would need to be a child of Ohio, Kentucky, and Indiana. There is one region that can be easily defined in a non POV manner, the Western Reserve. Unfortunately, it's only easily defined at the township level, not the county level. Caerwine Caer’s whines 19:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- I'd strongly oppose a -twp-stub (surprise surprise), especially if (as suggested) most of the stubs are townships - in which case splitting them out wouldn't really help much. Perhaps separate upmerged county templates would be the answer, and if at least some of the substate regions are uncontroversial then splitting those out would be a reasonable move. At least that would reduce the main category some. Grutness...wha? 22:45, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- Forgive me if I'm being too picky or argumentative or something. I'm well aware that I'm not familiar with stub sorting, so maybe my ideals are rather different from those of most of you :-) I just figure that, by their nature, the township articles can easily be destubbed. Virtually every village and city in the country has a basic structure with name, county, geographical location, and demographic statistics (for a completely random example, see Dighton, Kansas) and isn't a stub. According to something on the Ohio townships wikiproject page, by using a bot, one could take information from a specific website and put such information onto any Ohio township. I'm just thinking that, unlike generic "locations", there are a specific and limited number of townships in Ohio, and therefore that they could be just put in their own stub category and left for the category gradually to be cut down. Nyttend 23:01, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- Normally I'd oppose a {{Ohio-township-stub}}, but since in this case it does have an associated WikiProject, I see it as a good idea as I see it more as a WikiProject template than as the precedent for a whole series of {{*-township-stub}}s. (It's a strange idea for a WikiProject to my mind, but there are those who think we stub sorters are strange too.) Caerwine Caer’s whines 00:12, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not as radically opposed to "by type" splits as (ahem-hem) some, but I still struggle to see the benefit in this case. There seems more likely to be a benefit for, say, mountains, which are very possibly likely to be expanded by peak-bagger who'd ignore mere flat human geography, and such like, as against one form of local government entity or another. I also think there's a limit to the extend that we should defer to other wikiprojects in determining the precise scope of stub types, as the tortuous structure and naming of the US-road subtypes illustrates quite nicely. Alai 02:31, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- It does seem far more of a candidate for WP-specific talk page templates than actual stub templates. And it does set a nasty little precedent. The main question that really should be asked is whether an average editor would be more likely to look for articles to expand based on type of feature in Ohio or location within Ohio. I'd still think it more likely that someone in, say southwest Ohio is more likely to know about features of all sorts in that part of the state that features of a particular kind statewide. Understandably, a Wikiproject dedicated to one type of feature is likely to have different goals to that, and anyone associated with that wikiproject is likely to fall into the opposite type of editorship to the one I described. But given that, a stub type - as used by editors across the board, would more logically suit the subregion approach, whereas a talk page template for a specific wikiproject can target just those features dealt with by that project. Grutness...wha? 04:51, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
- Normally I'd oppose a {{Ohio-township-stub}}, but since in this case it does have an associated WikiProject, I see it as a good idea as I see it more as a WikiProject template than as the precedent for a whole series of {{*-township-stub}}s. (It's a strange idea for a WikiProject to my mind, but there are those who think we stub sorters are strange too.) Caerwine Caer’s whines 00:12, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- Well, it's certainly not a bad idea, as long as we can decide on a basis for organising them systematically. How shall we do that? I'm not sure, so I hope you have better ideas than I do :-) At any rate, I hope that we can resolve this fast; I've been waiting on creating new articles for some days, instead systemetising others' work, but there's not too much of that left. Should I continue waiting, or should I just go ahead and create new articles and hope that somebody will come up with a bot to tag them? Nyttend 07:19, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
- Forgive me if I'm being too picky or argumentative or something. I'm well aware that I'm not familiar with stub sorting, so maybe my ideals are rather different from those of most of you :-) I just figure that, by their nature, the township articles can easily be destubbed. Virtually every village and city in the country has a basic structure with name, county, geographical location, and demographic statistics (for a completely random example, see Dighton, Kansas) and isn't a stub. According to something on the Ohio townships wikiproject page, by using a bot, one could take information from a specific website and put such information onto any Ohio township. I'm just thinking that, unlike generic "locations", there are a specific and limited number of townships in Ohio, and therefore that they could be just put in their own stub category and left for the category gradually to be cut down. Nyttend 23:01, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- Here's perhaps a way to divide the state, as seen on the map (forgive me if my colors are off; I'm partly colorblind):
- Cincinnati CSA-Dayton metro: red
- Cleveland CSA: green
- Columbus CSA: yellow
- Toledo metro: purple
- Ohio River counties: orange
- Appalachian Ohio: dark pink (?)
- Western Ohio: blue
Ashland and Richland counties are up for grabs, since they're on the line between the metro areas. I've used the CSAs and merged Cincinnati and Dayton so as to get the widest areas possible and to keep the southeast and the northwest from joining, to prevent more anomalies such as Ashland and Richland counties. Nyttend 14:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
- Looks perfect to me. I suggest as a first step that we create per-county templates, so that you can tag future articles with them (although bot-tagging isn't likely to present any real difficulty, as far as I can see). If you let me know which counties you're working on, or about to start working on, I can help creating those in some sort of priority order. Then as I second step, I suggest we upmerge to categories corresponding to the regions you've identified, or in the case of "spare" counties, ones it's not possible to assign to a region, or where the region would be too small, just upmerge to the parent. Alai 15:16, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
- All counties now have templates except for Franklin (Columbus) and the counties bordering it. I'm looking to create articles on townships for other counties without all township articles: Clermont, Preble, Montgomery, Greene, Fayette, Knox, Muskingum, Coshocton, Holmes, Tuscarawas, Carroll, Jefferson, Columbiana, and Mahoning. In response to an idea of Alai, I filled out the Brown County townships and made all of them {{BrownOH-geo-stub}}. What do you think? Nyttend 01:08, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- I created the above template, and fed it into Category:Greater Cincinnati geography stubs, which I'll now create the remaining templates for. If anyone has any divergent views on the category name, I'm personally pretty flexible on that... Alai 15:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
- OK, I've created about half or so of the by-county templates (all of the form<county>OH-geo-stub), covering all of the central and west. I've deviated somewhat from Nyttend's map in and around Cleveland, as it doesn't seem to quite match up with the statistical areas; Dayton takes in some of that, as a separate CSA, which I've created as a subcat, as it passes 60. Toledo doesn't yet seem to, so I've just lumped that in with the "Northwest", which seems to be a reasonably natural region; being at least vaguely defined in the Northwest Ohio article, and being fairly clearly delineated by the four CSAs. The eastern part of the state I've yet to tackle; depending on how good a source there is for the Ohio River and Appalachian regions I'd be happy with those, or else just a generic "eastern" one. Alai 21:23, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks! All Ohio townships (as of this morning) have articles now, so there should be plenty of such stubs :-) I didn't intend to announce that the Ohio River counties are an official region by anybody's standards; I simply grouped all counties (other than in the Cincinnati area) that have a line on the Ohio River, and anything else southeast of the Cincinnati-Columbus-Cleveland corridor went into the Appalachian area. I guess you could say that my "source" is the boundaries of those metros and the line of the Ohio River :-) Nyttend 16:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for the image update: we can use that on the various category pages. It's now off the triage priority list, and if it's not longer rapidly growing might remain that way for a while. Still, if people have ideas on either how to subdivide the southern and eastern/Appalachian/Ohio River counties, or simply what to call that as a single subcat... Alai 17:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- Here's the new color codes for the map for putting on the category pages:
- Category:Greater Cincinnati geography stubs: red
- Category:Cleveland-Akron-Elyria geography stubs: green
- Category:Columbus-Marion-Chillicothe geography stubs: yellow
- Category:Dayton-Springfield-Greenville geography stubs: purple
- Category:Northwest Ohio geography stubs: blue
- Remainder ("Southeast Ohio", or "Ohio River" and "Appalachia", or whatever): white, until it's decided what to do with the region
Nyttend 18:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed creation of the stub template and/or category above. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the template's or category's talk page (if any). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the debate was do not create.
Something like this:
This West Virginia-related article is a stub, you can help Wikipedia by expanding it. - Patricknoddy 20:57, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
- Never mind. - Patricknoddy 20:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC)