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July 14

03:22:51, 14 July 2022 review of submission by ArgonautOfHistory

Hello! I have noted the feedbacks for my previous declined article (i.e., Engineering Historical Memory (EHM), which is an online database for historical resources and is free for the public to access). I understand that I need to remove all promotional languages and excess external links, and ensure neutrality with reliable and independent sources. I am also aware that I need to disclose COI (paid contribution) when submitting the article for the AfC review even I am not specifically paid for the edition but because I am part of the research team for the project.

I am planning to draft a new article again for EHM for which I will take note of all the above. I will also refer to some existing Wiki-pages (knowledge database related) to see how they structure and present information.

I would like to seek the community's further help to provide some more suggestions on any other things that I should pay attention to apart from the above, please? Thank you so much in advance for your support! Sincerely, ArgonautOfHistory (talk) 03:22, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@ArgonautOfHistory: Thanks for following the rules regarding disclosure. The conflict of interest guidelines are not just if you are being paid. You have a conflict as a team member that is connected to the project whether or not you are actually paid to create the article. Making a disclosure is important. The reason it's discouraged to write about things you are familiar with is that you might add unsourced info that can't be verified, and I'm not saying this applies to your project, but if there is notable criticism of the project, you may feel discouraged from including it. I recommend you read WP:YFA. Writing an article is one of the hardest things to do here. If you feel you can write a well-sourced, neutral article, and make a proper disclosure, you can go here to start the article. Wikipedia:Articles for creation. If you think you are ready to go, you can always ping me before submitting, and I can give you more specific feedback. TechnoTalk (talk) 03:37, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much for your reply! Noted on the above. Yes, it would be a great help if you can provide specific feedback to the re-drafted article before I submit again. I will work on it and give you a ping once ready. Thank you again! ArgonautOfHistory (talk) 03:49, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

03:46:09, 14 July 2022 review of submission by Moamelaldarraji

Moamelaldarraji (talk) 03:46, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Moamelaldarraji: I don't see a question, but your article draft has been rejected. That means you shouldn't try to edit it and resubmit it. Instead, I suggest you look at WP:YFA and concentrate on the information about sourcing. Also, look at WP:GNG, our guidelines about determining notability of the subjects we have articles for. If you want to try again, and feel your subject has sufficient sourcing, you can try again at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. If you do, please also read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest about how to make the proper disclosures if you have a connection with the subject. TechnoTalk (talk) 03:52, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

04:01:15, 14 July 2022 review of submission by Suborna01

I Suborna01 (talk) 04:01, 14 July 2022 (UTC)why my article submission has been declined? Can you please mark my article so that I can make changes to publish it again? Please I need help[reply]

 Courtesy link: Draft:Caretutors.com
@Suborna01: We don't accept promotional junk. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 04:12, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

06:12:47, 14 July 2022 review of submission by Justiyaya

Probably not the right venue but requesting a second opinion on the notability of the draft above, see also a quite long discussion on User talk:Sachinsonune5#Your submission at Articles for creation: Revati Devasthale (July 13). Sports/badminton related. Thanks in advance :D Justiyaya 06:12, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 08:28:51, 14 July 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Tamtrible

I was told "Thank you for your submission, but the subject of this article already exists in Wikipedia. You can find it and improve it at List of culinary herbs and spices instead." That's not gonna work.

1. My table has a somewhat different focus than the List of culinary herbs and spices. It is more about the plants than the herbs and spices obtained from said plants (eg there is only one listing for Coriandrum sativum, instead of separate listings for coriander and cilantro), and it explicitly includes some *non* culinary herbs (eg St. John's Wort, valerian), as well as some things used as teas (which are also excluded from the list of culinary herbs and spices).

2. Given the extensive nature of this page, and of the page I am told to "improve" using it, I would have to either entirely replace the existing page with my own, or basically have the information on the page almost entirely duplicated. The former has been rejected by the people who normally edit the page, and the latter seems... pretty silly, honestly. As evidence of the first, I quote from the talk page for said page:

(start of quote)

Anyone up for completely changing this page?...

I have been working on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Table_of_plants_used_as_herbs_or_spices , after it was deleted as allegedly being a fork of this page (I argue it isn't, quite, as it has a somewhat different focus). It currently contains most of the information on this page, plus a lot of information *not* on this page (including a few herbs that are medicinal rather than culinary). However, thus far almost all of the entries are, in fact, culinary herbs and/or spices, so I would not in any way object to the page I am working on (a table, with additional information besides the common name and the species) being used to replace this page--I would not consider it a significant loss to have to drop the few non-culinary herbs thus far listed. But I do not wish to simply take over a page I have never previously contributed to, and in any case I have neither the knowledge nor the spoons to add *everything* currently on this page to that one. So, I ask those who *are* regular contributors to this page which of the following they would prefer:

1. Wholesale replacement, as is (or possibly with subtraction of the few non-culinary herbs) of this page with mine

2. Continued work on the draft until it contains all of the entries on this page, then replacement

3. Turning this page into a table somewhat different from mine (a task I would probably not contribute to initially, though I might work to improve it after it was begun)

4. None of the above

Thoughts? Tamtrible (talk) 00:17, 16 June 2021 (UTC) 

   Absent any objection, I support the proposed revision, though it would be helpful if it was sourced (I presume sources can be found in the articles on the individual topics). It is otherwise fairly broad and thorough. BD2412 T 05:25, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

       Oppose. 1. Unnecessary. 2. Not enough benefit 3. Too vague.Ttocserp 12:35, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

       Oppose. The proposal as written is too vague to permit a reasonable response. I agree with Ttocserp's other comments as well. MonteGargano (talk) 17:49, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

           Um... what's vague about it? I have a table that contains most (though not quite all) of the entries on this page, along with some additional information (a few culinary herbs that aren't on this page; some non-culinary herbs; and additional information on each plant). It can be transferred as is, I (and possibly others) can keep plinking at it until it does, in fact, contain everything on this page and then it can be transferred, someone can turn this page into a different table (a sortable table is a much more functional format than a mere list), or the page can be left as is. If you have questions about the page I have made, I put a link right there for you to look at it. Tamtrible (talk) 06:45, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

(end of quote) (I wasn't sure how to collapse the quotes, but I could at least make them smaller... Tamtrible (talk) 20:43, 22 July 2022 (UTC))[reply]

So, as you see, there seems to be little or no interest in turning the list of culinary herbs and spices into a table, either mine or another one.

Honestly, I think my table has more in common with the List of plants used in herbalism, though again a somewhat different focus.

3. My table *has more information*. And is more functional (a sortable table rather than a list). I include (where it was listed on the wiki page for the individual herb, at least) the part of the plant used, the general growth form, and the general types of use it has (culinary, medicinal, etc). The default sort is by species name instead of common name (thus less issue with finding something that has multiple common names). If both pages were in mainspace, and someone wanted to merge them, I suspect my table would be the one that dominated the resulting merged page. But I don't want to just replace a page that many other people have put a lot of work into with my own thing, because that's kind of a jerk move. And that would essentially be the only way I could "improve" the existing page with my page.

4. There are lots of other pages with partially overlapping content... eg the outline of herbs and spices, the various specific regional spice pages, Tea blending and additives, even the list of plants used in herbalism. What's one more, with, again, a somewhat different focus?

Plz let my thing be a thing, or tell me what I would have to do to make it be a thing, since absent moderately severe jerkery I can't make it be a thing by following the suggestion I was given when my move request was rejected. If you want me to include more non-culinary herbs, I can do that. If it needs more sources, I can do that. I'm even willing to change the name, if you can think of an appropriate name to change it to. The one thing I can't do is make the people who actively edit the list of culinary herbs and spices want my thing instead of the thing they already have. Tamtrible (talk) 08:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tamtrible (talk) 08:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging BD2412 and MonteGargano who participated in the discussion you started in 2021 if they are interested in commenting. Also @Tamtrible can I collapse (hide) some of the quotes above because it's a bit long? Justiyaya 11:00, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have a couple of critiques of the proposed table. While I realize that it is impossible to include all non-English names of every herb, the existing table does a good job of covering the terms that an English speaker is likely to encounter in a market selling the herbs and spices in question. The proposed table does not, but it could be amended. More significant, though is that the lack of distinction between roots, leaves, seeds, resins, etc., makes the list more botanical than culinary, which is somewhat contrary to the purpose of the current version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MonteGargano (talk • contribs) 03:45, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Which is a large part of why I think it should be its own thing, rather than trying to mush it into the existing herbs-and-spices page. Tamtrible (talk) 08:54, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
sure... Tamtrible (talk) 08:53, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

11:34:35, 14 July 2022 review of draft by WhiplashLock2000

I need help with my draft on Rebecca Kyler Downs because I really don't understand what else to do. I need professional help. WhiplashLock2000 (talk) 11:34, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WhiplashLock2000 A Wikipedia article about an actress or singer must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about them, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia defintion of either a notable singer or a notable actor/actress. Neither of the two sources you have offered do that, and for that matter they only seem to be used to source information about her place of birth. None of the prose in the article is cited. 331dot (talk) 12:12, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But I can't find any reliable sources about Rebecca except for random sources. WhiplashLock2000 (talk) 12:19, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
WhiplashLock2000 Then that means that Rebecca does not merit a Wikipedia article at this time. 331dot (talk) 13:56, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

13:56:21, 14 July 2022 review of draft by Maelstromdat


Maelstromdat (talk) 13:56, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Maelstromdat See Wikipedia:Inline citations, because this article is about a living person, it should include citations on any statement than could be challenged. QiuLiming1 (talk) 16:16, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a bit confused as regards the Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations and citing my sources using footnotes. I improved the draft including several inline citations and footnotes. Does the draft satisfy in your opinion the minimum standard for inline citations? Thank you very much for your help!

15:03:10, 14 July 2022 review of submission by 007fps

007fps (talk) 15:03, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

007fps You don't ask a question, but your draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. 331dot (talk) 15:04, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: I'm pretty certain this is part of a sockfarm that's been trying to promote this guy. The last time this draft showed up here was under another account, and 007fps has only two edits to its name, the other edit being to the draft. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 16:54, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@007fps: What is your connexion to Gowtham and to User:OMGSiddharth? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 16:55, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

16:49:13, 14 July 2022 review of submission by 103.5.132.35

103.5.132.35 (talk) 16:49, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No sources, no article, no debate. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 16:51, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi IP, this is common sense that the community won't accept this draft. There are millions of Youtubers with 200+ subscribers. QiuLiming1 (talk) 17:33, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

18:01:12, 14 July 2022 review of submission by Simohayhafan

there is a reference now. its very long book but i found stuff about the KP-22 on it Simohayhafan (talk) 18:01, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Simohayhafan I don't think it will support all of your content. Could you provide a quote? QiuLiming1 (talk) 18:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
i forgot what page it is but its around 470-490 Simohayhafan (talk) 18:30, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You are responsible for citing the quote. See WP:V. QiuLiming1 (talk) 20:22, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Simohayhafan You need to put the citation into the article, not here. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 04:21, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

18:17:25, 14 July 2022 review of draft by Wheelertom


I submitted a draft for an article on Temporal Technologies, Inc., which was rejected because it does not "show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject." This message is not specific enough to be actionable, so I am seeking further commentary on what changes I should make.

The article cites a diverse set of sources (by my count, there are 26 references from 15 different sources) to support what I'd written. Should I add more references, additional sources of information, expand my explanation of the technology, remove a certain reference, or something else?


Wheelertom (talk) 18:17, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @Wheelertom! Many of the sources aren't reliable -- Github, Youtube, and Stack Overflow are not considered reliable. Many more are just the company's webpage, which is a primary source. None of the rest meet WP:42. A good essay you should read is WP:SERIESA, in particular the section on reliable sources. Make sure you are familiar with the notability guideline for companies before resubmitting. Thanks! >>> Ingenuity.talk(); 18:23, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wheelertom (ec) The sources you have provided do not have significant coverage of your company. Some are press release/announcement type stories. An article about your company must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company. In some ways a lot of references is a bad thing; fewer high quality sources is preferable to a plethora of low quality sources. We don't want brief mentions, but sources that go in depth without prompting by the company. 331dot (talk) 18:25, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much for the reply. This is exactly the guidance I needed, so I'll make the necessary changes and resubmit. Thanks again! Wheelertom (talk) 18:39, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

19:15:29, 14 July 2022 review of draft by FatimahSarfrazz


FatimahSarfrazz (talk) 19:15, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fatimah Sarfraz obtained her BSc in Computer Engineering and her BSc in Electrical Engineering from the University of Minnesota – Twin Cities in the USA. She obtained her MSc in Electrical Engineering and her MSc in Mechanical Engineering from Rochester Institute of Technology in the USA. She has accumulated eight years of industrial experience working in sensitive projects as technical subject matter expert, advisor, and delegate in the fields of engineering, construction, nuclear energy, manag

@FatimahSarfrazz: No sources, no article, no debate. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 19:36, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

20:15:01, 14 July 2022 review of submission by Cross0703

Hey there, This is a corporate page for a newer company that never had a presence before. I added information about recent controversies, lawsuits and layoffs to make the article a more balanced history. This page draft looks a lot like other healthcare companies (see: Mednax as one example) that just provide a summary of services, a timeline of recent news, etc., without being accused of being a direct advert. If there is anything else that would optimize this page for Wiki inclusion, please suggest. Cross0703 (talk) 20:15, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Cross0703: This is an investor-fishing exercise, not an encyclopaedia article. What is your connexion to Signify? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 20:16, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Cross0703: Please read other stuff exists as to why it is a poor idea to cite the existence of other articles as a reason for yours to exist. If you want to use other articles as a model, use those classified as good articles. 331dot (talk) 20:18, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note that Mednax is marked as problematic. 331dot (talk) 20:20, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Cross0703: And while we're on the topic, refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode:
This is a situation where the bad sources are literally choking out the good, not helped by the draft's actual text reading like it's intended for investors and not Joe Blow from San Antonio. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 20:39, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

July 15

11:16:48, 15 July 2022 review of submission by Abm1994

I think we should reconsider this draft for review. Abm1994 (talk) 11:16, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Abm1994: "we should", should we? The draft was rejected. If you wish to revive it, you need to take it up with the rejecting reviewer, but you will need to have a solid reason. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:31, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I just added two more references. Sometimes it's very difficult to give a solid reason. Abm1994 (talk) 15:55, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

11:35:55, 15 July 2022 review of draft by Yoganidhi Dr Lathashekhar

Why my article is declined? In which part error is there?

Yoganidhi Dr Lathashekhar (talk) 11:35, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You have zero independent, reliable sources and the tone is totally inappropriate, Wikipedia is not a personal CV hosting service. Theroadislong (talk) 11:52, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

12:50:37, 15 July 2022 review of submission by Ruthweb

I published the page above more than a month ago but I did not receive any confirmation notification such as "Review waiting, please be patient", you have successfully submitted your draft for review". Can it be confirmed that this page has successfully been submitted for review? Thank You

Ruthweb (talk) 12:50, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You have not submitted it for review yet, but there are zero reliable independent sources there, so no chance of acceptance. The tone is also inappropriate. Theroadislong (talk) 13:22, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

13:11:39, 15 July 2022 review of submission by Subhadeep0216

Subhadeep0216 (talk) 13:11, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid that like most of us you are not notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Theroadislong (talk) 13:24, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

13:20:01, 15 July 2022 review of submission by Subhadeep0216

Subhadeep0216 (talk) 13:20, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See above. Theroadislong (talk) 13:24, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

13:27:15, 15 July 2022 review of submission by Mtajeesh

The Confederation of Real Estate Developers’ Associations of India (CREDAI) is the apex body for the real estate industry of India which is been recognised by the Central and State Government of India. CREDAI Chennai is an Chapter of CREDAI. 80% of the Chennai Residential Market is held by CREDAI members. Prominent Builders like Brigade Group, Tvs Emerald, Mahindra Lifesapce who are members of CREDAI Chennai do have a wiki page but the Association which plays a vital role in the development of the Chennai city and its infrastructure should also have a page. Moreover CREDAI Chennai is also involved in CSR activities in Chennai like water body restoration, Setting up Oxygen tents during covid-19. Donation of 3 crore to Chief minister relief fund. Mtajeesh (talk) 13:27, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft was rejected it won't be considered again, copying it here is pointless. Theroadislong (talk) 13:36, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

14:43:35, 15 July 2022 review of submission by Aleortiz26

He puesto demasiadas fuentes, incluso más que las que tiene la página en ES, esta es solo la traducción Aleortiz26 (talk) 14:43, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is the English Wikipedia, please communicate in English. 331dot (talk) 14:49, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

16:02:01, 15 July 2022 review of submission by 103.5.132.35

103.5.132.35 (talk) 16:02, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Stop or you will be blocked. QiuLiming1 (talk) 16:44, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I will revert off any further requests for this draft as disruptive. Stop wasting your time and ours. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 21:26, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]


July 16

01:03:01, 16 July 2022 review of draft by 2409:4042:E11:2DD2:0:0:D388:F807


2409:4042:E11:2DD2:0:0:D388:F807 (talk) 01:03, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are millions of Youtuber with 27 subscriber. You are wasting your time to post this. This is definitely not gonna be approved. QiuLiming1 (talk) 04:35, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

09:33:02, 16 July 2022 review of draft by Edmond A. Miller


Edmond A. Miller (talk) 09:33, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello is there a chance to change the title from "Miracle" to "Miracle Web drama 2022"

Edmond A. Miller The exact title of a draft is not relevant to the approval process. Please leave a note on the draft talk page regarding the title, if the draft is accepted, the reviewer will place it at the proper title. 331dot (talk) 09:42, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

14:42:10, 16 July 2022 review of submission by Hemu jee

I have add more information to the article, which will be enough to get clear idea of the article to reader.

Hemu jee (talk) 14:42, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft appears to be original research, so cannot be used here in any form. Theroadislong (talk) 15:03, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Hemu jee You can consider to create this in Wikiversity, but you still have to follow their rules. QiuLiming1 (talk) 16:56, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

16:23:51, 16 July 2022 review of draft by Lisamackieart


Lisamackieart (talk) 16:23, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

16:23:51, 16 July 2022 review of submission by Lisamackieart


I'm trying to post this wikipedia page but my drafts keep getting rejected. I've added what I believe are secondary sources but it still won't come through. I've even used other similar artist pages as refrence. My second time the notes said my post was more of an advertisment then a biography? How do I avoid that? Or, what sections of my draft are reading like an advertisment?

Thank you

We don't have "pages" here, we have articles about notable topics, your own website and your gallery websites are not independent sources so cannot be used to show notability. Theroadislong (talk) 16:29, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

16:50:31, 16 July 2022 review of submission by Nitin Happy

Nitin Happy (talk) 16:50, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We have zero interest in your self-promotion. --Kinu t/c 16:52, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
e/c We are not social media, it isn't a place to write about yourself, (only in a limited way on your user page and only then with relation to your Wikipedia work.) Theroadislong (talk) 16:54, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

16:58:45, 16 July 2022 review of submission by PC247 thegamer

im trying to delete my draft! cant you see? are you all bots! fuck this lol all the mods are bots i didnt know that god damn it this is why users and editors are leaving ur platform. start hiring real ppl and stop using bots as admins PC247 thegamer (talk) 16:58, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

None of us are bots we are just editors like you, the draft has been tagged for deletion and an admin will do that very soon. Theroadislong (talk) 17:13, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@PC247 thegamer please read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, you could link to a promotional article for us to give comment on why isn't that deleted. QiuLiming1 (talk) 17:41, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@PC247 thegamer: We don't hire administrators; they're just as much volunteer editors as you or I. In fact, whatever paid staff Wikipedia has does not edit or make editorial decisions in that capacity outside of specific situations. You need to calm down, be patient and not try to preemptively insult users who would otherwise try to help you. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 05:10, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

23:27:22, 16 July 2022 review of submission by Moamelaldarraji

Moamelaldarraji (talk) 23:27, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

it didn't meet Wikipedia:GNG guildline and it's written in a very informal style. QiuLiming1 (talk) 23:54, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Moamelaldarraji. QiuLiming1 (talk) 23:55, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

July 17

12:59:45, 17 July 2022 review of submission by Manojcsl

you are humbly requested to please advise, although I have quite included a couple of references for notability! Manojcsl (talk) 12:59, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Manojcsl, nine different editors have told you the sources you've supplied do not show the subject of this article to be notable. Which three sources do you believe represent significant coverage in independent reliable sources? Please do not resubmit this draft before answering. valereee (talk) 14:09, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Manojcsl India legal source just very briefly mentioned the company name, and I doubt the reliability of insight success. Yet it didn't meet our notability guideline. QiuLiming1 (talk) 02:13, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

July 18

05:27:45, 18 July 2022 review of submission by Mtajeesh

Credai Chennai CREDAI is the apex body of the organized Real Estate Sector with Developers across the State representing Pan State Associations or Real Estate and Housing Developers.

Our objective as is now well known is to promote Housing and Real Estate Developments in an organized, systematic and cohesive manner and to provide a liaison with government bodies to effectively represent the views and needs of the Industry. Twenty State/City Associations spread over 20 States of India are members of CREDAI at the National level with over 6000 Member Developer which encompasses over 60% of the Real Estate Development activity in the country. https://www.findglocal.com/IN/Chennai/199983060145462/Credai-Chennai Mtajeesh (talk) 05:27, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like a Wikipedia:Spam, some sources are reliable enough, but a lot of sources are just mentioning the name briefly. Yet it likely did not met our Wikipedia:GNG guideline. QiuLiming1 (talk) 05:58, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Mtajeesh. QiuLiming1 (talk) 06:00, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also, a lot of sources are primary. QiuLiming1 (talk) 06:01, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Mtajeesh: What is your connection to CREDAI? What you wrote here is spam. As to your sources...
In summary, the lot of your sources are completely useless, with the vast majority of them being unattributed pieces which look and read a lot like churnalism. What few pieces are under an identifiable writer hardly speak about CREDAI what-so-ever. This draft's pretty much doomed. And you need to answer the question about your connexion to CREDAI before you do anything else; we have zero tolerance for undisclosed paid editing. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 06:17, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

18:06:13, 18 July 2022 review of submission by Samphd2005

This Article Is True At My Best ,If You Publish My Article I Will Highly Appriciate Thank You Samphd2005 (talk) 18:06, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft is not suitable for Wikipedia, it is a poorly written CV and will be speedy deleted soon. Theroadislong (talk) 18:25, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 18:55:14, 18 July 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Erdan5

Can someone please help me with my Vaneé draft article?


Erdan5 (talk) 18:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Erdan5: Almost all of your sources are ancient and come from a galaxy far, far away; we're looking for sources that have discussed the cheracter proper in a criticism context. As written this is something that would fit better at Wookieepedia assuming they didn't already have an article on him. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 18:58, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, thanks, can you give me an example of a criticism context? Erdan5 (talk) 22:36, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As in a scholarly or media article discussing the character, their place in the Star Wars canon, and criticising them as a character (in a manner similar to, say, how Solid Snake has been discussed). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 00:16, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

July 19

03:25:27, 19 July 2022 review of submission by Brakshit23

Namaste.. I have made few correction before yesterday's submission. i have quoted 2-3 reputed, reliable and appropriate web sources for the identity of the subject. Still its missing. It has reference of Industry Reference, it has Reputed newspaper's article, it has mention of various news paper which are in multiple language and well known. Still i am getting rejection.

I took reference of other similar personality and refereed their article and from neutral point of view it has been written. Still gets rejected. Please help me to improve. suggest in same article Brakshit23 (talk) 03:25, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Only the first source barely shows any reliability, therefore the draft was declined QiuLiming1 (talk) 04:46, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

07:31:56, 19 July 2022 review of submission by 156.204.178.149

156.204.178.149 (talk) 07:31, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You don't ask a question, but your draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. It seems to be complete gibberish. 331dot (talk) 07:52, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

12:43:56, 19 July 2022 review of submission by Tullia Rossato

 Courtesy link: Draft:Patrick Bartley Jr.

Hi, my draft has been declined numerous times over these last few months, both because of the lack of reliable, published sources, and because of the way it's written. I need help understanding which sources are considered unreliable and what makes the article sound like an advertisement. I wonder, for example, whether describing the musician's musical taste and background means it's not written from a neutral point of view, or if the problem lies elsewhere. Thank you very much.

Tullia Rossato (talk) 12:43, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Tullia Rossato: Since this will ultimately discuss both sources and text, refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode.
Your sources thus aren't particularly good. The Sun Sentinel source is the absolute best one you have; the rest are varying degrees of unusable. Now for the text. Get some coffee; this is gonna take some time as I am obligated to go claim-by-claim.
  • Patrick Bartley Jr, born and raised in Hollywood, Florida... - Source?
  • ...during his early childhood wasn't particularly interested in music, but was really into visual art and video games. - Source?
  • Many of his projects to date have some kind of connection with video games, which have always been part of his musical background. - The source here has been rejected, get a new one.
  • In his early education, during which he was part of the school band, he started learning the basics from Melton Mustafa Jr.... - The Sun Sentinel source corroborates this; 86 "during which he was part of the school band" as extraneous.
  • ...son of the trumpeter Meldon Mustafa. - Irrelevant. 86 this.
  • He did not own a sax himself until he was 17 years old... - Source?
  • ...his very first horn was a personal present from Jeff Clayton: a Yamaha model 62 alto sax. - Source? Also, don't use slang; "horn" isn't going to be interpreted as "saxophone" by readers who aren't already familiar with jazz culture. We also don't need to know the model he was gifted.
  • Their relationship started when Bartley came to the Vail Jazz Workshop in 2010, where the workshop instructor, Clayton himself, found out of the terrible condition which his almost unplayable horn was in, nearly crumbling apart. - Source? And once again, 86 the slang.
  • And while he tried it, he let the teen try his own. - Irrelevant. 86 this.
  • "When that saxophone got into my hands, that was that moment when everything clicked. That was the moment I realized this is what I was going to do for the rest of my life," stated Bartley. - Quotes must ALWAYS be attributed by both the text and a source that corroborates it. Thankfully, quotes can be corroborated by less-than-ideal sources provided they're not contested, but as your biggest issue is notability at the moment I would 86 this for now.
  • "From that moment, I took all influences and used my saxophone to communicate the experiences. Music has never felt labored. It never felt like something I had to do." - Quotes must also be minimal in use. Extensive quoting is a serious issue, and this quote doesn't really add anything to the article. 86 this.
  • Even before finishing his studies, he received the opportunity to perform at the Gardens Jazz Festivals in Miami, Florida... - Source?
  • ...to record professionally his music, collaborating with Melton Mustafa Sr. and Jr. - Source?
  • Eventually, in 2010, he played at the 52nd anniversary of the Grammy Awards with the Dave Mathews Band... - Source? This also looks like an attempt at notability-by-osmosis; we don't accept that.
  • ...received an award himself (the YoungArts Gold Award in Jazz)... - Source?
  • ...after appearing in the HBO special "Wynton Marsalis: A YoungArts Masterclass", in which he performed and recorded music with Marsalis. - Was he credited for this? If so, a source is strictly speaking not necessary (as the credits can verify this claim); otherwise a source is required if he went uncredited or pseudonymously. A bigger issue is that this doesn't seem to be connected to the award, and again seems to be more notability-by-osmosis. If this is not connected to the award, I would heavily recommend just 86'ing this.
  • He was then featured on the Late Show with Stephen Colbert... - While a bad source is cited here, as above if he was credited than a source isn't necessary, as the credits will verify.
  • ...continued to play with the Late Night Show's pianist Jon Batiste and the other members at the Village Vanguard. - Notability-by-osmosis claim, 86 this.
  • Later, in the Jazz Gallery Mentoring Series Bartley explored new musical genres with Dayna Stephens, performing both his and Stephens' compositions. - Notability-by-osmosis claim, 86 this. I'm going to make a blanket statement here: We do not need an exhaustive blow-by-blow of this man's career. We only need the most important parts of it. Colbert helps. Playing the Grammies helps. Most of the rest of these claims thus far have been minor things which only serve to dilute the draft and cause it to get lost in its own plot. A Wikipedia article should summarise the key points - both the zeniths and nadirs - of a subject's career. There are other websites which will be more willing to discuss the entirety of his career in excruciating detail.
  • Furthermore, in 2019, Bartley, because he had always taken inspiration from Cannonball Adderley, celebrated with both Brianna Thomas and Steve Miller the saxophonist in New York's Jazz at Lincoln Center, by playing "Cannonball Adderley and The Blues". - Irrelevant. 86 this.
  • He played at many other Jazz Festivals as well, like the Santa Lucia Jazz Festival in New York City at the Lincoln Center, venue that is directed, guided and founded by Wynton Marsalis. - Irrelevant and notability-by-osmosis. 86 this.
  • In his early childhood Bartley became interested in the popular Anime Dragon Ball Z... - Source? Also, "anime" still follows all the rules of English grammar and is not capitalised mid-sentence.
  • ...throughout middle school and high school, he started playing Japanese video games (Sonic the Hedgehog, Golden Axe), and practiced his saxophone by playing along their soundtracks... - source? I'd also argue that the specific games are irrelevant, and would have "Japanese" qualified as "Japanese-developed" (since "Japanese" alone implies the NTSC-J version of a game, not that the developer is Japanese).
  • ...he then realized the various patterns and connections of this music genres with the African-American Blues he would listen to in his childhood, identified with the stress and distress of the melodic tension. - Irrelevant. 86 this.
  • Similarities with Jazz exist, since the composers who worked on numerous video games soundtracks took inspiration and were influenced by the music genre. - Wildly irrelevant. 86 this. The article should be about Bartley, not pontificating on Masato Nakamura's or You Takeda's musical influences.
  • It has its own characteristics though, as for example its rhythm, since, as Bartley underlined in a video by Adam Neely , strictly follows the structure of Japanese phonetics: Japanese is, indeed, a monophonic language, and therefore its music must follow the same rhythmical patterns. - Are you writing an article about Bartley or a dissertation on SEGA's composers? Wildly irrelevant, 86 this.
  • An example of Bartley's Anime related projects is the Charity Single from My Hero Academia in which he featured together with over 80 other musicians worldwide, including the Japanese songwriter Yuki Hayashi, My Hero Academias' composer. - The source here is the University of Trento website. Get a different source.
  • Patrick Bartley performed with the Emmet Cohen Trio in a series of concerts, both live and through the platform of Youtube. - Source?
  • There he executed a solo on the After You've Gone standard, which became of interest by many other musicians across the web. - Source?
And there you have it. Part of the problem is that you go off on tangents that have little to nothing to do with Bartley, which makes the draft come across as (1) trying to make him sponge off of the notability of others and (2) an ode to classic video game composers that comes across as a BLAM. The poor sourcing is the more important of the two - bad sourcing means no article full stop. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 20:14, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

13:39:46, 19 July 2022 review of submission by Kaneil

Hi - just wondering if there's any specifics as to why this was not approved? Your time and support is very much appreciated! Kaneil (talk) 13:39, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Kaneil: yes, the decline reasons were given in the grey boxes inside that large pink box. There is also an additional comment below, which, although not a reason for declining at this time, needs to be taken into account, as it is relevant and may otherwise become a reason for declining at the next review. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:27, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

13:49:22, 19 July 2022 review of submission by 156.204.178.149

156.204.178.149 (talk) 13:49, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft is just Word salad nothing useable or understandable sorry. Theroadislong (talk) 16:10, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

14:51:36, 19 July 2022 review of submission by Pranesh Ravikumar

Could you provide assistance and reason for not accepting the article Pranesh Ravikumar (talk) 14:51, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The decline reason is in the large pink box "submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject" It also requires independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 16:11, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Pranesh RavikumarPlease read the general notability guideline. QiuLiming1 (talk) 20:59, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

15:44:56, 19 July 2022 review of submission by Limerickwiki22

|The article has been declined for several reasons including copyright and duplication of content. However, I am working for the PR company on behalf of Limerick City and County Council, who are running a new campaign for Limerick Greenway. Wikipedia is inaccurately representing Limerick Greenway as The Great Southern Trail. (Limerick Greenway is solely named Limerick Greenway and is no longer associated with The Great Southern Trail.)

I am attempting to rectify this issue, and would request contact for an editor or staff member that can help us with this issue.

An editor left this comment on my article, but I am seeking assistance in replying to explain the issue. "Even if the sourcing here was OK, the content is overtly promotional. Which is hardly surprising. Given that is whole scale copy/pasted from a copyrighted primary source. We also already have an article covering this topic at Limerick Greenway > Great Southern Trail. So this is all a bit silly to be honest..."

Can you help me?

Limerickwiki22 (talk) 15:44, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Limerickwiki22 The copying is a serious problem that has caused the draft to be tagged for speedy deletion. Copyright violations are a danger to Wikipedia and cannot be accepted.
Another problem is that you seem to be a person who is editing Wikipedia as part of your job. Wikipedia would deem you a PAID contributor and require that you disclose this connection on your user page, which does not exist yet. You fix this problem by clicking on your (currently red) username and adding a sentence like "I work for <<PR Company>> and Limerick City and City Council are our clients. I'm currently working on an article for Limerick Greenway at User:Limerickwiki22/sandbox."
Your draft included links that I think you intended to be sources. Ideally, these should be turned into inline citations so that each statement in the draft is sourced to a published, reliable source. This is going to take some work. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 16:25, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

15:47:39, 19 July 2022 review of submission by Urban Versis 32

Does AfC cover non-articles, such as Templates?

Urban Versis 32KB ⚡ (talk | contribs) 15:47, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Urban Versis 32, yes and looks like someone has a review in progres. Slywriter (talk) 15:49, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh you have it under review. :) Slywriter (talk) 15:50, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh ok, thanks. Urban Versis 32KB ⚡ (talk | contribs) 16:05, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

July 20

01:13:07, 20 July 2022 review of draft by Sportsfangnome

I would like for one of y'all to get more background information for my draft so that way it can be almost 100% completed, and if possible, can you also get the logo for the 2022 A7FL championship and the trophy?

Sportsfangnome (talk) 01:13, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the trophy and the logo and for good measure, can you use the latter external link to get the picture of the tournament bracket? Sportsfangnome (talk) 01:21, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
it definitely needs more independent, reliable sources. Please read the WP:general notability guideline. QiuLiming1 (talk) 01:21, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Sportsfangnome Citing the website itself is allowed occasionally but you need other sources too, see the list for reference. QiuLiming1 (talk) 01:23, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I messed up and I accidently cited the website. Sportsfangnome (talk) 01:38, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And I will do that! Sportsfangnome (talk) 01:39, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, here is not for requests of improving your draft. You could maybe go to the help desk instead. QiuLiming1 (talk) 01:26, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Sportsfangnome (talk) 01:39, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

07:44:09, 20 July 2022 review of submission by Blessy Antony

Blessy Antony (talk) 07:44, 20 July 2022 (UTC) Dear sir , now i have a fresh concept . kindly review sir regards , blessy[reply]

07:46:31, 20 July 2022 review of submission by Blessy Antony

Blessy Antony (talk) 07:46, 20 July 2022 (UTC) Sorry for inconvenience sir. kindly allow mw change my contant . i want to change it entirely . regards your faithful, blessy antony[reply]

Your rambling content has absolutely nothing to do with building an encyclopedia, WP:NOTHERE clearly applies. Theroadislong (talk) 08:13, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

09:07:30, 20 July 2022 review of submission by Cherry sxda

It got declined, why was it declined? Cherry sxda (talk) 09:07, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cherry sxda You were given a reason for the decline by the reviewer- the draft is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia, which summarizes independent reliable sources, it isn't for merely telling about something. 331dot (talk) 09:09, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

10:32:42, 20 July 2022 review of submission by Mtajeesh

Links: https://www.aihitdata.com/company/00BEADF7/credai-chennai/overview https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/real-estate/credai-launches-whatsapp-based-portal-to-connect-with-home-buyers/article35637374.ece https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/tamil-nadu/2022/mar/06/tamil-nadu-minister-s-muthusamy-launches-insurance-scheme-for-one-lakhconstruction-workers-2426954.html

CREDAI Chennai is the apex body for the real estate industry of India. CREDAI works closely with all of its stakeholders: the Government, policy makers, investors, finance companies, real estate professionals and consumers Today, CREDAI is a recognized partner for the Central and State Governments, represented on several committees that work at policy formulations and various committees of the Government, including the Ministry of Housing and Urban Affairs, Ministry of Environment, Forests and Climate Change, Ministry of Finance, Ministry of Civil Aviation, Bureau of Indian Standards (BIS), Bureau of Energy Efficiency (BEE) and others.

CREDAI continue to make a conscious effort to bring transparency and protect the interest of homebuyers. CREDAI has established a Consumer Grievance Redressal Forum (CGRF), where aggrieved buyers can register a complaint against member developers and get their issues resolved at the earliest.

As part of CSR activity CREDAI Chennai has taken the initiative of registering 1,00,000 labouers under the Tamil Nadu Construction Workers Welfare Board which was launched by the Tamilnadu Housing Minister S Muthuswamy.

Tamil Nadu Housing and Urban Development minister S Muthusamy unveiled the 'Real Estate Vision-2030' document of CREDAI was unveiled with a target to increase investment opportunities and woo bigger players into the city. The aim is to help Tamil Nadu be among the top investment destinations in this country.

Draft has been rejected, the topic is not notable. Theroadislong (talk) 11:01, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As it's clear you have no desire to listen to constructive criticism and are now just spamming this page, any further requests for this page will be reverted off. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 18:19, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

10:41:07, 20 July 2022 review of submission by Elstyleboutique

hello sir i m new for wiki please publish my data and i will update my all data and give me suggestion what can change in my article

Elstyleboutique (talk) 10:41, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Draft deleted as spam, user blocked) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:10, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

14:48:28, 20 July 2022 review of submission by 124.123.161.146

124.123.161.146 (talk) 14:48, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What is your question? The draft has been rejected (after several declines), and will not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:11, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

15:51:09, 20 July 2022 review of submission by 151.242.122.247

151.242.122.247 (talk) 15:51, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What is your question? The draft has been rejected (after several declines), and will not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:09, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

18:15:43, 20 July 2022 review of draft by Arl618

How does one change the title of an article in draft mode? Arl618 (talk) 18:15, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This would require a mage move and be completely pointless. Draft names are provisional, and a reviewer accepting the article will move it to an appropriate title when they do. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 18:18, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Arl618 by the way, external links are not allowed in the first word of the article. QiuLiming1 (talk) 18:56, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

21:24:47, 20 July 2022 review of submission by Loadtime

Loadtime (talk) 21:24, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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