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This is an archive of discussions from Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals for the month of February 2007. Please move completed February discussions to this page as they occur, add discussion headers to each proposal showing the result, and leave incomplete discussions on the Proposals page. After February, the remainder of the discussions will be moved to this page, whether stub types have been created or not.

Those who create a stub template/cat should be responsible for moving the discussion here and listing the stub type in the archive summary.

Stub proposers please note: Items tagged as "nocreate" or "no consensus" are welcome for re-proposal if and when circumstances are auspicious.

Category:Japanese war biography stubs / {{Japan-war-bio-stub}}

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Similar to the film bios below, I also noticed several figures from WWII (and WWI) with stubs. GHits for "Japanese biographical article is a stub" + "world war" yields 82. History is not my strong suit, but, that seems to be a logical split of the Japan biography stubs. Neier 10:54, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Doubtful {{Japan-mil-bio-stub}} / Category:Japanese military personnel stubs would be the appropriate stub for people in the Japanese military and a glance at Category:Asian military personnel stubs shows that unless there's some severe missorting going on there aren't enough for a Japanese military stub yet. You probably hit a bunch of false positives for people who had a significant event in their life happen during a war but who are not notable because of war. Caerwine Caer’s whines 15:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure of the current level of mis-sorting. Of the first four hits I found in Category:Japanese people stubs, only one is sorted into the Asia military bio stub category. I'll add the Asia military tag to the Japanese articles, and, see what the count looks like after that. Neier 23:07, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
This doesn't look good to me, either. We do have a WW2-bio-type, which eventually we might have to split off the Japanese from, but I think lumping world wars together isn't a good idea. (Even if Niall Ferguson would approve.) Alai 15:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

After running through the Japan bio stubs, there were 46 articles that I was able to add to Category:Asian military personnel stubs. Rough count of Japanese members in that category is now 68. The Asian military category is not so large as it needs subdivided, but, it would help to get those articles out of the Japan biography stubs (>750). Neier 02:36, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I should add that I'd support this under the -mil-bio- scope, as suggested by CW. Alai 03:14, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Support Japan-mil-bio-stub. As someone that handsorted around 500 of the military personnel stubs, it would be quite useful!--Thomas.macmillan 03:40, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
The {{Japan-mil-bio-stub}} / Category:Japanese military personnel stubs suggestion is fine with me. I didn't mean to break a naming convention. Neier 04:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I thought you had in mind a different scope, too... Wires crossed, no problem. Alai 06:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Support Since my only concerns were about the name/scope and whether there would be enough, and both points have been addressed. You know, this is an example of everything this proposals page is supposed to do, and for once it did it! Caerwine Caer’s whines 06:15, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Support concept, per Neier's numbers; don't care what it gets called as long as it makes sense compared to Chinese, Botswanan, American, Chilean, etc. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 06:21, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

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Subcats of Category:Japanese railway station stubs

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A few Japanese prefectures were earlier created, due to volume (Category:Miyagi Prefecture railway station stubs, etc); a few were templated and up-merged, {{kanagawa-rail-station-stub}}, etc). There are now >80 stations in Category:Tokyo geography stubs, and that number will likely grow, as I sort through Category:Japanese rail stubs. Category:Japanese railway station stubs is at ~500 articles, and will also grow per the above. At this point, Category:Tokyo railway station stubs and Category:Kanagawa Prefecture railway station stubs are required (around 80 transclusions of the Kanagawa template right now). The other prefectures have varying amounts, so, I don't know if now is the time to make all forty-odd templates (for each prefecture) or not. I'll leave that point for discussion. Neier 03:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Category:Japanese film biography stubs / {{Japan-film-bio-stub}}

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An inordinate amount of producers and directors in Category:Japanese people stubs. There are 143 GHits for "director" + "Japanese biographical article is a stub", and there are others (producer, screenwriter) which would fall through that particular search. It would also be a child of Category:Film biography stubs, or perhaps the proposed Category:Asian film biography stubs below. Neier 09:32, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

As some of the "director"s were of video games, I appended "movie" to the google search: 96. Neier 09:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Support: Seems well justified even by the culled bio-count figure, and the relief from the bio-swamping of the general stubcat ought to be conducive to identifying non-bio articles that need work. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 06:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

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{{Georgia (U.S. state)-road-stub}}

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There are over 120 Georgia State Route articles currently using the less specific {{South-US-road-stub}} template and more will be added as the WikiProject progresses.--HowardSF-U­-T-C- 14:28, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

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Category:Barney & Friends episode stubs and Category:United States reality television stubs

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I've created upmerged templates for these, the former already over 60, the latter in the 50s. That's just populating from the US-tv-progs, which are oversized. Alai 23:50, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I love you; you love me; we're a happy family! Support. Aelfthrytha 16:11, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Support if only to remove The Purple One from my sight...Her Pegship (tis herself) 17:19, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

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The latest geo-stub round-up

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No countries have got past threshold for new categories, but two more Caribbean nations are up to the 30+ mark where upmerged templates looks reasonable:

Grutness...wha? 01:35, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Class-action support. Alai 01:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Per nom Valentinian T / C 23:37, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

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Splits of Category:Anatomy stubs

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This category too also needs some new stub types. I recommend the following, again, starting out as upmerged templates.

I chose the name pattern established by {{circulatory-stub}} and while there might be other potential splits, such as reproductive, endocrine, and urinary, but a first glance didn't convince me that there would 60 in any others, though I wouldn't mind doing upmergerd templates for them as well if there is support. Caerwine Caer’s whines 00:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

  • The first two of these would seem to be speediable: see here and here. (The second is marked as NC, but that looks like an oversight.) Spot the lack of enthusiasm on my part for following through on these proposals, but I completely support such a split, if anyone's going to do the slog... Alai 01:12, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

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Category:Yorkshire and the Humber school stubs

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UK schools are 2 off being at 800, again; these are at 73 from the various bits and bobs of Yorkshire "proper", but for consistency with previous splits, the English region seems the better category to go with, from ceremonial county templates. Alai 06:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Support. Aelfthrytha 16:10, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

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{{manuscript-art-stub}} / Category:Illuminated manuscript stubs

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We just started "manuscript stubs" and its off to a flying start (?) and full enough to allow a split off of illuminated manuscripts (hand-illustrated books), apart from the all the other many codex. I've identified 60 to 90 under that category. The parent article will be illuminated manuscript and I would place it under "art history" and "manuscripts" as subcategories of those two stub categories. Goldenrowley 05:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Support - although as I've bored some of you all today by saying, the trouble is most of the category are stubs, and likely to remain so for a good time! Anyway, thanks for listening Johnbod 05:19, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  • That's not a problem as such, unless they're "very short article of which it's claimed they're not really stubs at all" (which seems to be something of a theme at present). If they're the latter, is merger a feasible option? Alai 16:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Not really - many important manuscripts actually only have a few illuminated pages, and there is a limit to what can be said, outside a thesis. Even very short articles may well be the most complete source of information outside a full academic library - which of course will delay any improvement. Especially if they have a picture, they can be much more comprehensive (relatively) than much longer articles on bigger topics. So far I haven't disagreed with any stub/not-stub calls I've seen, that I can remember. Merging would be unhelpful. Johnbod 16:48, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Although they are not lenghthy more could be said on each of the ones I've seen, a good art editor might for instance expand on the art style, and anything original found in the manuscript, as well the historical importance of each. Most were already stubbed just not identified as art ^I mean as illustrated books^ before.Goldenrowley 02:35, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Coming as I do from a family with connections in the illuminated manuscript business, I'd say support :) Grutness...wha? 04:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

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