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Mayfly optimization algorithm

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However noteworthy this may be, it doesn't seem to have been much noted. NN.

Yet links to it -- and to "Flying Fox optimization" aka "Flying Fox Optimization Algorithm", another creation of Konstantinos Zervoudakis and Stelios Tsafarakis -- have been added rather vigorously, to "Genetic algorithm", to "List of metaphor-based metaheuristics", to "Table of metaheuristics", to "Heuristic (computer science)", and to "Differential evolution".

The article was created by someone with a declared COI, and the recent vigorous linking to it seems compatible with undeclared CoI. -- Hoary (talk) 03:31, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mathematics-related deletion discussions. Hoary (talk) 03:34, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 03:57, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The main paper on this topic has 127 citations already, as listed in Google Scholar, high for a 2020 publication. Nevertheless I strongly believe that this whole line of biologically inspired optimization algorithms, despite some initial successes, has devolved to become largely or almost entirely junk, or maybe pyramid-scheme science (if you hype up your topic enough to bring in enough new researchers to cite your papers, you can get high citation counts and succeed in measures of quality and performance based on citation count regardless of the boilerplate nature of the actual research). For a more informed insider opinion reaching similar conclusions, see "Metaphor-based metaheuristics, a call for action: the elephant in the room", doi:10.1007/s11721-021-00202-9. The question for us here, though, is, can Wikipedia guidelines justify removing content because we believe it to be junk, or must we keep popular junk? —David Eppstein (talk) 06:59, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Metacomment: "Metaphor-based metaheuristics, a call for action: the elephant in the room" is open access, and very readable. -- Hoary (talk) 09:15, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, David Eppstein we have to cover junk, if it's notable junk. We have to assume that if it's that bad, eventually secondary reviewers will start to say so, and then we say so. But you're quite right that some areas of science have such high hype-value that every paper is instantly cited by everyone else creating similar stuff, and the citation count can be very high, giving a misleading indication of notability. We have to remember that things like citation count are just proxies for notability that we've chosen to use, by convention. The bottom line is that the algorithm becomes notable when it gets solid independent secondary discussion, in reasonable depth. Many of these citations will be at best passing references, or bits thrown into primary literature merely to acknowledge the existence of an algorithm related to a different piece of work that the source's authors are trying to present, so as to convince a journal reviewer of their knowledge of the field. Elemimele (talk) 07:46, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment We have articles on junk diets, junk dietitians/nutritionists, junk myths, junk music, junk movies, junk sects, junk politicians, et cetera. Holding my nose, I say that other things being equal, junkiness is fine. Popularity isn't a criterion for inclusion, although it tends to determine written-about-ness, which determines "notability", which is a criterion. If a metaphor-based metaheuristic (or whatever) becomes "notable" (as defined by Wikipedia) then its exposure (whether simultaneous or subsequent) as worthless doesn't diminish its "notability". However, "notability" needn't, and here shouldn't, be simply determined by an easily grasped (but notoriously inflated) number that Google puts atop a page of search results. -- Hoary (talk) 09:15, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think that you have totally misunderstood the complete nature of an academic paper. And I can't accept the term "junk" about an algorithm that has been published on a high impact factor journal and used as the main algorithm in various research and was reviewed by well known researchers in the field.

This is really offensive.

It also appears that you searched about the 127 citations but you totally ignored that too many of those papers use this algorithm as the main algorithm of the research.

This is also offensive.

Moreover it feels like the main problem is the popularity of a method, which feels wrong.

I will add the papers that use the mayfly algorithm in the wikipage the following days.

As regards the paper that you mentioned regarding the quality of an algorithm, the mayfly algorithm was built, compared and tested according to this paper and according to various other metaheuristic-introduction papers.

I need about one week to improve the page. GusRDRM (talk) 14:07, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]