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How can I ask a question

 Emma OSOLU (talk) 17:10, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Emma OSOLU Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I think that you just did ask a question, so you did fine. The one suggestion I would have is to place your question in the larger edit window, not the smaller section header window. Some people find it easier to use the full desktop version of Wikipedia, even in a browser on a device, instead of the app or mobile versions, which do not have full functionality(easily, at least). 331dot (talk) 17:14, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

https://www.dontasktoask.com Gallomimia (talk) 18:40, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

You press Ask a question, write a short title, explain your question in more detail.LebronRJames (talk) 14:49, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

It doesn't seem fair

A friend of mine wrote a page about me, but it has a warning for lack of notability. Are there volunteers who can help fix this? I've done a TEDMED talk, written four books and hundreds of articles. Had a segment about me on NPR's This American Life, and much much more, but I'm not notable??? I'm particularly puzzled because there are many people who seem less notable than I, who have pages without warnings -- for example, half my lawyer friends. I'm a lawyer with a Ph.D. in medical ethics -- the first to do a joint program with that combination that I know of and the first Westerner to go to Iran to study their organ selling programs extensively (extensively meaning hundred's of interviews, one anthropologist had done one day of interviews at one hospital). Why do I not qualify -- If the friend who wrote the page for me made mistakes, why doesn't someone help fix them, instead of making me seem like a self-promoting fraud with the warning boxes? Integrity1010 (talk) 19:46, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Integrity1010 Welcome to the Teahouse. You might care to tell us who you are so that we can look for sources that talk in detail about you. I'm afraid our Notability criteria for people demands to know, not what a person has done in their life, but what others have written about them. You would be welcome to link o a few of those sources so we can try to guide you further. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:55, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Based on the description, I'm guessing Sigrid Fry-Revere (which does seem to have a lot of problems by our standards). Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 19:58, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

This was tagged in Dec 2019, and had had dozens of edits since then. Perhaps Wikignome Wintergreen, a recent editor of the article will consider removing the tag. Neither you nor your friend should remove it (nor edit the article anymore). The article has been criticized for weak referencing and possibly not reaching the bar for notability. David notMD (talk) 20:28, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I assume the notability standard here is WP:NACADEMIC, but I'm far from an expert in the notability area, and academics seem particularly tricky. I'll leave that decision to someone else, but I'll fix up the article in other ways. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 20:34, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I've taken a quick look through the article and at some of the citations. I recognise that the article is currently being worked on, but my feeling is that the page comes over as an amazingly impressive CV of a person who has done some wonderful work on her field. I don't see sources that talk about her, as we would expect from independent sources to meet WP:NBIO. The past professorial position itself doesn't quite meet Criterion 5 of WP:NPROF on its own, yet I suspect the body of work she has produced in that and in subsequent roles could be deemed to have had a significant impact under criteria 1 or 7. But as this isn't an WP:AFD discussion, I don't need to go into more detail at this stage, though such a discussion would need further search for independent sources and could be borderline, despite her achievements. That said, I'd not be pushing for such a discussion, and would expect a fair bit of effort to go into WP:BEFORE. I think the notability template was not hugely unreasonable, and hopefully current efforts will help. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:33, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

"Borderline notable" - the hardest case to deal with. Basically, Integrity1010, it's hard to make a decision here without doing some significant research, and since we're all volunteers, there's no way to force anyone to do that research. As it stands, the article doesn't contain any good (by our standards) sources which prove beyond doubt that you're notable (by our standards), so the tag - for the moment - remains. If you think you have such sources, the best place for them is probably the article's talk page, Talk:Sigrid Fry-Revere, since this post on the Teahouse will get archived eventually. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 00:55, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Not sure if I'm doing this right, putting my responses here. Yes, I'm Sigrid Fry-Revere. I'm also the first person to create a living organ donor advocacy group which was not run by organ recipients as a hidden way to get more people to become organ donors. My organization -- The American Living Organ Donor Fund actually advocated for living organ donors without any conflict of interest --- we didn't find donors for organ recipients. We helped living organ donors with information and helped them with expenses and lost wages -- something which at the time some people thought was illegal but now is part of the federally funded NLDAC program and many state and private programs as well. How many firsts does a person have to have to qualify as notable? Isn't the fact that I'm cited or quoted on Academia.com at least a few times a week and sometimes several times in a day worth something -- I'm part of a very important conversation -- so much so that people find it necessary to answer what I've written -- not the least of which is the research I did in Iran -- which by the way was accepted as part of the National Library of Medicine's permanent collection. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Integrity1010 (talk • contribs) 21:26, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I've never edited the page, but I know some friends have tried. I'll tell them not to do so anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Integrity1010 (talk • contribs) 21:29, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Integrity1010: If you ever do intend on editing the page take a look at WP:BIO and WP:COI. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:36, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Friends can edit as long as 1) declare a conflict of interest on their own User page, and 2) refrain from editing the article directly, but rather post requests on the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 22:02, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

The most important thing to note is that Wikipedia has a peculiar and specific conception of what notability means. It essentially means that you have "received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." Somewhat different and more specific criteria apply for academics, but that is the basic principle - not having many firsts or doing important work. Zoozaz1 (talk) 01:31, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

So looking at just the first 7 pages of 148,000 entries for my name on Google, I found the following secondary sources. None of these are articles by me, nor are they simply citations or quotes. They are all more extensive discussions of my work and / or my life. I'm sure I could find at least another dozen more.

That search, that came up with 148,000 was "Sigrid Fry-Revere newspapers" -- because I was looking for articles about me. When I just search "Sigrid Revere" -- I get over a million hits.

Secondary Sources.

Articles that talk about me:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-organ-donor-expenses/new-fund-eases-expenses-for-organ-donors-idUKKBN0L22IP20150129

https://www.ozy.com/news-and-politics/the-country-where-selling-your-organs-is-legit/70282/

https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/sigrid-fry-revere/the-kidney-sellers/

https://www.nyjournalofbooks.com/book-review/kidney-sellers-journey-discovery-iran

https://philpeople.org/profiles/hojjat-soofi

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/580/transcript

https://researchers.mq.edu.au/en/publications/iranian-kidney-market-in-limbo-a-commentary-on-the-ambiguous-less

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/world/2016/08/25/iran-kidneys-sale/89371302/

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncprheum0649

https://www.yourconroenews.com/neighborhood/moco/opinion/article/A-privatized-world-is-a-better-world-9280334.php

https://www.denverpost.com/2016/08/25/iran-payment-for-kidney-donors/

https://ethiquetransplantation.com/publications/

https://docksci.com/a-closer-look-at-the-iranian-model-of-kidney-transplantation_5a91386ed64ab21d3d54e5a7.html

https://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/30/8/1349

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x78dlxh

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/lifestyle/health-and-wellbeing/250816/a-unique-system-in-iran-is-allowing-payments-for-kidney-donors.html

Research guide mentions my work:

https://www.hivlawandpolicy.org/resources/search-resources?page=11&issue%5B0%5D=154&f%5B0%5D=sm_field_issues%3Anode%3A154

Biography pages: https://peoplepill. com/people/sigrid-fry-revere

https://emu.edu/now/news/2015/bioethicist-and-living-donor-advocate-sigrid-fry-revere-challenges-the-current-organ-donor-system-with-questions-about-why-irans-system-is-more-responsible-and-ethical/

https://it.qiq.wiki/wiki/Sigrid_Fry-Revere

Thanking me for the contributions to his work

file:///Users/AristotlesPride/Downloads/21139-Article%20Text-29835-1-10-20160426%20(1).pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Integrity1010 (talk • contribs) 02:33, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Integrity1010 have you read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing? If an article about you is published it won't belong to you or to the friend who wrote it. Anyone with Internet access can find both flattering and unflattering references to you and edit the article. If you are determined to obtain your own Wikipedia article that will likely happen, but if you later decide you are not happy with changes in the article you will not be able to have it deleted.

Please remember that, with the exception of a few paid editors (who are not paid by Wikipedia), most of the people connected with Wikipedia are volunteers who work in their spare time, and choose projects that interest them. If you provide all 148,000 entries on Google that does not mean that anyone will be obligated to improve the draft article about yourself.

If being the subject of a Wikipedia subject is so very important to you I wish you well in having your dream fulfilled. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:20, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Good advice, though in this case it's not a draft - the article was created and moved to mainspace in 2008, when standards were laxer. Now either deleting or improving will take some effort. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 04:39, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

That was a foolish mistake on my part, to state that the article was still a draft. I became confused by the long list of citations to be added, but I should have double checked the status before posting. Karenthewriter (talk) 08:19, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you WolfTalkBlaze (See below and above) Do I make that request here -- or in a seperate thread? @Integrity1010: If you ever do intend on editing the page take a look at WP:BIO and WP:COI. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 21:36, 1 December 2021 (UTC) Friends can edit as long as 1) declare a conflict of interest on their own User page, and 2) refrain from editing the article directly, but rather post requests on the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 22:02, 1 December 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Integrity1010 (talk • contribs)

@Integrity1010: Edit requests should be placed on the Talk page of the article itself. Each article has a Talk page, in this case, Talk:Sigrid Fry-Revere (which I see you have found already.) This information page might be helpful. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 15:08, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Just to add, I think the "doesn't seem fair" part isn't fully elaborated, because no actual comparison has been made, only a review of the singular article. If more review was done to other biographical articles I assume the same standards should apply, but maybe no one has bothered to mark them as such. However, this is all speculation and this is not to say whether or not the article in question meets standards. Symphoricarpos albus (talk) 16:01, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Content Translation

I was thinking around what I would do, then I found the Content Translation tool. I translated a Spanish article and it is here. What is to be done next?? Any suggestions.. Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Log)} 04:35, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Itcouldbepossible. There are a very large number of redlinks in this article, which may lead experienced editors to ask "what the heck is going on here"? Trim them way back. This biography of a living person has only a single reference, whose reliability I cannot fully evaluate because I am not fluent in Spanish. I do, however, know that the expectation is that there will be multiple references to reliable, independent sources devoting significant coverage to a person before an article like this can be considered a acceptable. So, trim the redlinks and improve the references. Translations are welcomed but it is your responsibility as a translator to ensure that your translation complies with the same policies and guidelines thst all other articles are expected to comply with. Cullen328 (talk) 04:55, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @Cullen328 for your helping hand. I removed the redlinks. But for the references you may go [1] here and see that the spanish article also has only one reference. Well I know that living biographies cannot have only one reference, but to say the truth, that article has one reference in the spanish wikipedia, so where should I find more references. Please guide me in this prospect. Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Log)} 05:34, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Cullen328 I made a request to their Teahouse (see this[2]), seeking help for finding resources. Hope they help. Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Log)} 05:43, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Also, you shouldn't just dump google translations on here. Machine translations are often unreliable and in this case the sentences don't even read correctly. If you don't know the other language to verify the content and make the necessary modifications, you shouldn't do it. —SpacemanSpiff 05:47, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Itcouldbepossible. The fact that the es-wiki article is under-referenced is a problem for es-wiki. We too have thousands and thousands and thousands of articles which are seriously substandard, and would not be acceptable today; but few people are interested in spending the time to improve or delete them, so they remain. We do not now accept new articles into English Wikipedia unless they meet our current standards, irrespective of whether they are entirely new or a translation. --ColinFine (talk) 09:54, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine Thanks, actually I did not know these things, so I started translating the page. So then the article would be a complete waste of work. Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Log)} 10:09, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: the thing to do is to look at the original article and its subject, and decide if it looks genuinely notable. If so, hunt out some sources. It's not a waste of work, but you need to make sure that the translation is a genuinely good article, in good writing, with good sources, and not just a google-translate of an article that was probably inadequate in the Spanish WP. Someone wise here advised me that translations don't have to be exact. You can use as much or as little of the other WP article as you want (though of course follow the instructions on translation and credit it!) - so if you can find some sources that back up part of what the Spanish article says, while other bits look wobbly, just translate and use the good stuff. Elemimele (talk) 11:19, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes – and it is also worth stressing that the tool is called "content translation", so it is intended to help editors get some idea of the content (facts), while the form (vocabulary, phrasing, syntax) needs to be created by the editor without trusting the tool. --bonadea contributions talk 14:53, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Itcouldbepossible have you gone through the short training tutorial Wikipedia Adventure? It may also help to read Introduction and Your First Article. Your attempt at translating a Spanish article wasn't a waste of time if you learned from it. I've been a Wikipedia editor since 2007 and I'm still learning. That learning is often by trying something that didn't work, and then figuring out what I did wrong, so that I'll do it correctly the next time. Best wishes on your work on Wikipedia. Karenthewriter (talk) 16:00, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Karenthewriter Yes @Amkgp left the link to Wikipedia Adventure on my talk page. But I cannot do it?? I don't know what problem, I am encountering. Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Log)} 03:11, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Itcouldbepossible I don't know what equipment you're using (computer, electronic tablet, cell phone), but I am using an outdated Mac laptop, and this is how things work for me. A few minutes ago I clicked on the Wikipedia Adventure link. When that link came up, I went to the bottom of the page and clicked on Mission 1. A white box came up, I read what's in the box, then clicked on the blue box titled "Get Equipment for the trip". That brought up another white box. I read that box, and clicked on the new blue box titled "Come with me..."

Since I've already gone through The Wikipedia Adventure I didn't go any further tonight. There will be different projects to try, such as editing and adding citations. I believe when I finished Mission 1 I went back to the beginning page, and then clicked on Mission 2. I read white boxes, and clicked on blue boxes, just as I did for the first mission. Did you click on Mission 1? If so, what happened when you did? Perhaps if you are having some difficulty with the English language you may not be understanding all of the instructions written in the white boxes. You may want to try again on another day, and then be able to go through the different missions. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:29, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Karenthewriter Ok thanks for the help. Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Log)} 04:32, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Karenthewriter At a point of time, an instruction comes and says "click edit source" to add the content. After clicking edit source, and adding the content, nothing happens. It continues to give the same instructions. Can anyone tell me where I am going wrong?? Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Log)} 07:41, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Itcouldbepossible where are you in the tutorial? Are you on Mission 1, Mission 2? Are you at the beginning, middle or end of that mission? When I have the time I will go to that part of the instructions and tell you what I did, but I need to know where you are having the problem.

I ask a favor of you. When you are asking for my help please only add one question mark (?) at the end of a sentence. Though you couldn't know this, sloppy punctuation annoys me. Karenthewriter (talk) 14:43, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

@Karenthewriter Sorry, it is my bad habit to add many "?" at the end of my question. Yes, you taught me a new thing. And talking about the Wikipedia Adventure, I am at mission 1, and am having problems, when they instruct me to "click edit source", and even if I add the things they want, they don't give any further instruction. Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Log)} 03:31, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Itcouldbepossible the lessons must be old, written before some things were changed. I was confused about clicking on "edit source", so clicked on "edit" instead. I didn't want to change my own user page, but did what was told (except I didn't link anything), and went back and reverted things afterwards. It did appear that I was asked twice to do the same instructions about bolding, italicizing, etc., but I clicked a second time that it was done, and was sent to the next step. At the end I was told to "save", but that is now called "publish changes" so that's what I clicked on. I was then told "Mission 1 complete!" and there was a blue box saying "Go on to mission 2", but I clicked on an option to take a rest (or some such words) and got out of the Adventure. I would have to click on Wikipedia Adventure again if I wanted to do Mission 2. It is a rather awkward tutorial, and may have a few bugs so that you're asked a second time to do things. I'm sorry that it doesn't work better. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:27, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

@Karenthewriter No, actually they ask me to write something, then when I write it, then nothing else happens. It just says, "click edit source". And thats all. Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Log)} 06:30, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Itcouldbepossible I'm sorry, but I'm not able to help you further. Perhaps because I've been editing for so many years I just did what I felt I should do. When asked to "click edit source" I clicked "edit" instead. After writing things I clicked on "publish changes" to save my work. I don't know why you are unable to get further instructions. I'm so very sorry for suggesting that you take the Wikipedia Adventure, for I didn't know it would cause you such problems. Please forgive me for causing you so much grief. I have spent hours trying to help you, and I've only caused confusion. I am not a trained teacher, and can think of no more ideas that may be of use to you. Karenthewriter (talk) 07:10, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

@Karenthewriter No please don't repent so much. You are so much elder to me in terms of your editing career. Actually the first mission, tells me to create a user page, but I have already created one. So, it is creating trouble. Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Log)} 07:39, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Not able to create table

In Ashok Saraf, I tried to add a wikitable in visual editing mode but I'm not able to that, whenever I tried to click on a cell in a row it is just blinking one time but cursor not appearing in cell. I am using android for editing. Newton Euro (talk) 18:14, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Newton Euro: I don't know why that's happening to you, but to be honest, editing Wikipedia on mobile is very hard and not worth the effort. I suggest keeping your editing activities on a computer instead. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 08:35, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Question

Why does Wikipedia keep asking me for money when I am definitely not donating as long as MF DOOM keeps being reverted back to “Mf Doom” on his page? 2600:8801:1B84:AE00:D0EF:76C6:2CBE:7308 (talk) 19:47, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

The Wikimedia Foundation makes an annual appeal atound this time to help meet its global running costs. If you create a free account, you will avoid seeing these uappeals. Regarding article name changes, thats an issue that should be held on the article talk page. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:58, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

It has been discussed several times and is in the "Frequently asked questions" box at top of Talk:MF Doom. The consensus to follow most reliable sources and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters is unlikely to change. Donors have no influence on our content. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:36, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia just wants $2.75, I have been asked 4 times which can be really annoying.LebronRJames (talk) 14:44, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Since you have an account, you can disable fundraising banners under Preferences → Banners. Cheers ❖ _hugarheimur 14:45, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Accessing the visual editor

When i edit anything (article, talk page etc, it is all in Wikitext. This is a matter of trial and error to learn. How do i access the simpler visual system? The links when i search dont seem to help. John Keller (talk) 23:59, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

John Keller, have you tried following the steps outlined here? Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 00:11, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

No, just one edit tab "edit source" and in preferences no option changed when I unchecked "Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta" John Keller (talk) 01:15, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

@John Keller: The visual editor is only available in certain namespaces, like Main (articlespace) and User. Namespaces like Talk don't support it (though there is a way to force it to work in those spaces). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:29, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Just say no

John Keller, the visual editor is indeed simpler -- until you realize that no it isn't. I recommend that you try again to edit the "source" (or "Wikitext"). Using it to create tables is a pain. For anything else, it's easy. Hit your Enter key twice in order to start a new paragraph. Never start a new line with one or more spaces. Two apostrophes immediately before and immediately after anything that should be italicized. Two equals signs immediately before and immediately after a heading of highest importance (such as "Accessing the visual editor", above), three of them for a heading of less importance (such as "Just say no", above). Doubled square brackets around a link. Oh, and references. These are of supreme importance, but I suggest that you spend a little time reworking existing prose, and only then add new material, of course with references. That's about it. There is a little more, but you'll pick it up as you go along. -- Hoary (talk) 01:44, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much. That's what I needed. I think my browser doesn't support the visual editor. John Keller (talk) 02:47, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

@John Keller: If you're using the source editor, you may be intersted in Help:Cheatsheet. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:07, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

I, too, endorse the use of the source editor. It is criticized as being old fashioned and difficult to use. Yes, it is old but old is not necessarily bad. Although I have been using personal computers since the late 1970s, I have never been a professional programmer. I am a "learn as I go" guy and I had no problem learning wikitext or wikicode or whatever you want to call it. It is logical, intuitive and not at all difficult for people with an open mind and a willingness to learn. Cullen328 (talk) 08:41, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

@John Keller Are you aware that you can set your own individual Preferences for which of the two editing tools you are offered? Use the Preferences link at the very top of the page. In the 'Editing' tab look for 'Editing mode' and select Show me both editor tabs from the dropdown option box, then hit Save at the bottom of the page. Like many others, I only really use Visual Editor for entering information into tables, and stick to WP:Source Editor for everything else. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:46, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

@talk Thanks! I found the option to show both editing modes now. And I notice that for some wikiplaces (like here) only the edit source is available. I am getting used to it. John Keller (talk) 03:12, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

I need a Wikipedia mentor

i need a Wikipedia mentor. i'm new Wikipedia volunteer member. Md Nahid Islam Sumon (talk) 04:45, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Md Nahid Islam Sumon, this draft suggests that you have to (i) recognize promotional material when you see it, (ii) avoid using it, and (iii) avoid recycling its language (unless perhaps you are directly quoting a reliable and of course disinterested source): "successfully", "leading", "important pillar", "global", "enhance", "key driver", etc. No "mentor" can help much with this. -- Hoary (talk) 06:45, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Md Nahid Islam Sumon, begin by reading and understanding the Neutral point of view, and then read and understand Wikipedia's Five pillars. Let us know if you have any questions after reading those items. Cullen328 (talk) 07:49, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

How to undo 2 or more edits?

 --Spotanus (talk) 08:04, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Spotanus, welcome to the Teahouse! You can revert them by using Twinkle or RedWarn tool. Thank you. --Richard Michael William (talk) 08:15, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Ok thanks --Spotanus (talk) 08:24, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Spotanus. There are several possible techniques. I do not use semi-automated tools because I want to give careful human thought to every one of my edits. The one that I use most commonly is to look at "View history" tab on the article. Find the last proper version before improper edits and click on the date and time. This should bring up the version that you want to restore. Check it out and if it is OK, save it with an edit summary like "Restore to version before (vandalism) (disruptive editing) (copyright violation)" or whatever is most accurate. Cullen328 (talk) 08:28, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

👍 --Spotanus (talk) 08:31, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Inserting Image Problem

Hi and hello, im new here in wiki and im inserting a picture. File: Drawing.png . How to fix it? --Lil Moon Teddy (talk) 10:13, 5 December 2021 (UTC) Lil Moon Teddy (talk) 10:13, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Lil Moon Teddy welcome to Tea House! You’ll need to make wrap it double brackets just like a Wiki link. [[File:Drawing.png]] Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 11:17, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thank you so much! Lil Moon Teddy (talk) 12:09, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Lil Moon Teddy, you may only upload freely licensed works. And when using existing freely licensed works, you have to respect the license terms which typically require attribution and sometimes to release your derivative work using the same license.

I don't know where the character from File:Drawing UwU.png comes from but https://www.deviantart.com/freypagani/art/Three-Fixes-cartoons-in-reality-891396671 features the same background so I doubt you created it. This is considered a copyright violation as there is no evidence that the elements are freely licensed.

File:Forest.jpng.jpg is a copy of File:Beilstein-Maad - Schmidbachtal mit altem Feldweg am Nonnenwald im November.jpg with some filters applied but doesn't provide attribution for the original. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 12:30, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

@Lil Moon Teddy: Probably you'll find some useful information at Wikipedia:Images. --CiaPan (talk) 13:29, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

to start my new page

 Tandelsachin (talk) 12:14, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

If it would be about you, a friend, a relative, or your employer, please don't. If it would be about something else, please read Help:Your first article. -- Hoary (talk) 12:24, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Bots and Bare links

Is the citation bot working properly and as often as it should be? Why doesn't it automatically convert bare links (Special:Diff/1052671329) into the sophisticated coding language of Wiki? I've seen the Anomie bot automatically working after me, but the Citation bot is not being as active and helpful to beginners. Nolicamaca (talk) 13:46, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Outline of chocolate - is this really a style of article we have?

I came across the article Outline of chocolate, and it struck me as kind of odd. I've been editing for a few years, but this is a style of article I've never come across - it's almost a list, but it isn't, and it's not a general overview of chocolate like you'd expect from the, well, chocolate article. One of the headers is just a question, which I don't think is in the manual of style.

I'm familiar with generic overviews that then link off to more detailed articles - Japanese clothing is one. I suppose it's just an article titled "Outline of ___" that's stumped me.

Sorry if this seems like a silly question - but do we really format generic outline articles like this? It seems like its content ought to be subsumed elsewhere, is all. --Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 14:24, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

We have loads of "Outline of..." articles. There was a handful of editors who liked doing them, led by User:The Transhumanist, who did most of this one. This is typical in getting very few views, av. 17 per day. I've never found them any use myself, & I think production of new ones has now largely stopped, but arguably they do little harm. Johnbod (talk) 14:41, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

I quite like it! If you imagine someone wrote a book on the subject of chocolate, this outline would be the contents page. But I suppose these things are a matter of taste; I personally don't find categories useful, but a lot of people adore them. Anything is probably good, if it helps some group, somewhere, find the information they want. Elemimele (talk) 17:12, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Outlines. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:13, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Mistake in article

In this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recipients_of_the_Order_of_Jamaica

One of the listed persons is Peter Moses. The name is linked to a Nigerian footballer. This is the wrong Peter Moses.

This is the correct Peter Moses: https://www.firstglobal-bank.com/Team/PeterMoses

Can someone please correct?

Thanks 217.247.177.57 (talk) 15:36, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP! Someone was wrong on the internet, and now's your chance to be WP:BOLD and fix it directly yourself! In the case that a wikipedia article doesn't exist for someone, you could either remove the wikilink, or make a WP:REDLINK to something like Peter Moses (banker). Happy editing and fixing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 16:02, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

I actually just fixed it – there is no article about the banking executive, so I changed the wikilink to point to the not-yet-existing article Peter Moses (bank manager). Removing the wikilink did not seem to be a good solution since all other entries in that list are wikilinked, whether there is an article about the person or not. --bonadea contributions talk 16:08, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Uploading a YouTube video

Hi everyone,
I would like to upload these public domain videos from YouTube to Commons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4Xky6tlFyY and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VOb_10JCkI. I tried using the upload wizard, but with no luck. Any help is appreciated. Interstellarity (talk) 15:40, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

@Interstellarity welcome to Tea House! I cannot see where it's freely licensed (the NASA video is likely PD, but is the music in it?) but that aside, that's a question for Wikimedia Commons, not English wikipedia. See c:Commons:YouTube files for tips on format/downloading etc.. and you can tag {{help me}} inside your Commons talk page. Hope you find a solution! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 16:00, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I will ask on Commons. Interstellarity (talk) 18:19, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

How do you correctly format a collage for an article

Hi all, I have plans for a collage to make but want to know. If you make a collage off Wiki and use Commons photos. When formatting correctly. What must be done. As I have had issues before with formatting collages correctly and would like to know how you correctly make one, which way clockwise must you start and how do you properly link common photos and authors to avoid copyright concerns? Cheers DragonofBatley (talk) 16:13, 5 December 2021 (UTC) DragonofBatley (talk) 16:13, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi! You should read Collage tips. WhoAteMyButter (📨_talk│📝^contribs) 16:32, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Copyright violation

So i was writing a draft article draft:Labidiaster radiosus and it has been rejected for copyright violation. What is the copyright violation here? is it because my words are very similar to the source? Maomaoox (talk) 16:20, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, that looks to be the case, Maomaoox. Do you know about a tool called Earwig's Copyvio Detector? You can use it to compare your source(s) (if freely available online) with the draft you've written to see where the similarities are, and then work on reducing them. I don't know of any specific "good enough" percentage, but if you can get the similarity below 10%, you're probably safe. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 16:53, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Why my draft about Shoxrux Hamdamov were declined??

Hello. Can I ask you? is there any person who can help me to publish my article which - I’ve wrote about the Uzbek actor Shoxrux Hamdamov. It’s declined by you. It’s still as a draft.I am the new user of Wikipedia. I want to know what was my mistake. I want to share a full of information about him at Wikipedia. If I can’t publish- is there anyone who can help us to publish the page about him? We can pay. Or maybe there is any company that publish biographies about actors? Or some authors? We have got all information, youtube pages, a lot of movies links web pages about him only we don’t have any information in Wikipedia. We want to share and open a Wikipedia page for him. Please Let me Know? Or maybe you will help me? Can you contact me? Or give me your email GJAHANA (talk) 17:00, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

@GJAHANA, there is nobody you can pay to have an article published. As stated in the review of your article, it was denied because it doesn't use reliable sources - Almost all of the sources are YouTube videos. Please review WP:RS, which explains the types of sources allowed. ThadeusOfNazereth^{Talk to Me!} 17:56, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Shoxrux Hamdamov Karenthewriter (talk) 19:16, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

In addition, as you state "I am his manager" above, you have a clear Conflict of interest and need to issue a Paid-contribution disclosure before making any more edits to Wikipedia - Arjayay (talk) 19:27, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

GJAHANA you may be interested in Uzbek Wikipedia. It might be easier to get a Shoxrux Hamdamov article published in a Wikipedia language read by those who may be more familiar with the actor. The reference qualifications could be different, or you may find volunteers able to help improve the article. Wikipedia volunteers work on articles that interest them, and I suspect it may be difficult to find someone willing to do volunteer labor for an actor they are not familiar with. Karenthewriter (talk) 20:53, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, GJAHANA. Like many people, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. It may not be used for promotion of any kind. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost exclusively interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. If at some point we have an article about Hamdamov, the article will not belong to or be controlled by him or you, and it will not be for his benefit except by accident. --ColinFine (talk) 22:33, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

PageImages

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janssen_COVID-19_vaccine

The page image for the above page is not of the actual vaccine (vial) like with other Covid-19 vaccine pages.

I tried to change the proportions of the image to appease the PageImages extension as outlined in the following pages:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PageImages#Image_choice

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)&oldid=866390029#Determination_of_the_image

However the page image is still the generic image of the coronavirus instead of the vaccine.

Is this due to the fact that the picture of the vial is made available under the Creative Commons Public Domain Mark 1.0 and images marked as public domain cannot be used for page images or is there something else I am missing here?

Thank you. Ryebreadforscale (talk) 17:43, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Ryebreadforscale, you puzzle me. (And perhaps the lack of other responses suggests that you puzzle other people here too.) You changed the image from one cropped version to another cropped version of a photo in the public domain. (Both, and many other images, are in this category.) Neither is, or as far as I understand ever was, a "generic image of the coronavirus". Instead, both show what appears to be an actual vial of the stuff. (Are you suggesting that it's instead a mock-up of some kind?) The picture of the vial is indeed "made available under the Creative Commons Public Domain Mark 1.0", in other words, explicitly donated to the public domain. If we ignore a few factors (notably personality rights) that clearly are irrelevant in this case, Wikimedia/Wikipedia can do what it likes with images that are in the public domain. -- Hoary (talk) 23:10, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

I think they're talking about the preview image for Janssen COVID-19 vaccine - when I hover over that link with my mouse, I do indeed get the virus image instead of the vaccine vial. I have no idea what controls that selection, though. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 23:35, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Ryebreadforscale, you might get better answers from the techies over at VP:TECH. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 23:58, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikignome Wintergreen, if you pick "Page information" from the sidebar, it shows you the "Page image", which is indeed the virus. Ryebreadforscale has aready linked the Mediawiki page that explains how that is chosen. --ColinFine (talk) 10:46, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, but I didn't understand the explanation at all, ColinFine. I only play techie in the minor leagues. :D Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 13:45, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try asking there. Ryebreadforscale (talk) 00:16, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

wennberg

 80.216.214.12 (talk) 18:26, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi! Did you have a question? ThadeusOfNazereth^{Talk to Me!} 21:10, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Edits

Why were my edits changed in this article? [3] 73.167.238.120 (talk) 18:44, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

My guess is, because you added information (a victim's age) without citing a source. But that information is in at least one of the sources cited at the end of the following sentence. Maybe Bkatcher, who reverted your edits, can clarify. Maproom (talk) 19:43, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, there are multiple sources already in the article. Thank you for your feedback! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 19:48, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

It's not that you're adding the victim's age, it's that you're adding the word 'age', which is not needed in this situation. Bkatcher (talk) 23:09, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

I do not see that I added the word 'age', but instead took 'age' out twice. 73.167.238.120 (talk) 01:51, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

I want to talk to Mad Jim Bey

 Beninformed (talk) 19:21, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Beninformed, you can do so on his talk page.   Maproom (talk) 19:53, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Converting to an RfC

I have experience starting RfC's, but what procedure is required to convert an existing discussion? Talk:Oxford High School shooting#Names of victims is already setup in the right !vote/discussion layout, but obviously the heading and first posts wouldn't pass. Does a new thread need to be started altogether? --GoneIn60 (talk) 22:33, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

How do I change the name of my page?/Changing Name of Page

 DVCeditor (talk) 00:34, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

FYI

 – Combined duplicate queries. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 00:41, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

How do I change the name of my Wikipedia page? DVCeditor (talk) 00:35, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, DVCeditor. You've created an account, but so far it doesn't look like you've created any pages, though another editor has welcomed you on your talk page. Can you be more specific about what you're looking to do? Do you want to rename your account? Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 00:45, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Help PLEASE

I am freaking out. I just spent more than an hour creating a page: Dr Vincent Covello. I previewed it many times then published it. Now I cannot find it! Q: Is there a lag time to SEE it published? Maybe that is why I am NOT seeing it? Please advise. Also, I uploaded two images that Dr. Covello has permission to use (they are his) and yet they could NOT be uploaded. WHY? Thank you! Dr Vincent Covello (talk) 02:26, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello Dr Vincent Covello and welcome to the Teahouse. First off, this account has no listed contributions except your post here and to your talk page. Are you sure you were logged in while making these changes? Second, if you are not actually Dr Vincent Covello, you should not be using his name as the name of your account; you can either request a new name or drop this account entirely in favor of a new one. Third, I'm not sure what you mean by "they are his" pictures - did he take them? If not, did the photographer legally transfer the copyright to him? In any case, since you do not own the copyright, you can't upload them. Only the copyright holder can do that. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 02:36, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

I can't find any evidence that an article titled "Dr Vincent Covello" or "Vincent Covello" was ever published. So you're doing something wrong I think? But I'm not sure what. Did you get any kind of error messages?

For the uploading of files, sometimes there's a field that you forgot to fill in? It won't upload if you don't. More info on what exactly kind of error message you are getting would help.

If you are Vincent Covello and are writing about yourself, I wouldn't. Basically it is conflict-of-interest (see WP:COI). It's not absolutely disallowed, but as a practical matter the article will very likely be deleted right off and everyone's time is waste. We are wary of self-promotion and autobiographical articles can tend hagiographic. You can try WP:articles for creation maybe.

Perhaps some articles on another subject would give you useful experience? The large city of Calabar could use more articles on its public spaces and institutions, for instance. Herostratus (talk) 02:56, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Help please

I added info about Woody and cosplay in the Woody (Toy Story) article in the section impact, and its not appearing and now it says error on the screen does anyone know how to fix this? ― Kaleeb18^Talk 02:51, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

It's fixed, Kaleeb18. The ref for the previous sentence was missing a closing tag, so when you finally added a closing tag at the end of your edit, everything in-between vanished. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 02:55, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh, thank you! ― Kaleeb18^Talk 02:57, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello

Is there any template that I can use for informing a wiki user that he or she is rampantly uploading derivative work in Wikipedia and in Wikipedia Commons? Thanks. NewManila2000 (talk) 03:37, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

@NewManila2000: What exactly do you mean by derivative works? How much is "rampant"? If you nominate them for deletion via Twinkle, it'll automatically send a template message to the user that uploaded that file. Since template messages are often too broad, consider leaving a more personalized message on that user's talk page, describing in detail the issue at hand. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 08:39, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

As per the article derivative work, it refers to a expressive creation of a work that includes major copyrightable elements of an original, previously created first work (the underlying work) and maybe subjected to copyright. Oh, by the way, I am currently dealing with a wiki user regarding the issue. I inserted the word "rampant" because I had observed that he is still doing it. NewManila2000 (talk) 10:38, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Deleting incorrect language link to another article

Hello everyone! Upon reading the Land value tax article on the English Wikipedia I opened its link for the Spanish Wikipedia version of the article, but it's about a different, nationally specific topic ES Wikipedia: Impuesto sobre Bienes Inmuebles. I believe there is no article on Land Value Tax in the Spanish Wikipedia. Most of the links of the Spanish Wikipedia article to other languages are to topics about Land Value Tax and not the Spanish (from Spain) Impuesto sobre Bienes Inmuebles. How can you delete all these incorrect links and instead link them to a new article? Thank you for your attention Bljrd (talk) 03:41, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

@Bljrd: Interlanguage links are handled by Wikidata, Wikipedia's sister project. You can see the Wikidata entry by clicking the "Wikidata item" link on the left sidebar, where you'll find all the Wikipedia articles that link to it on the right, in a box titled "Wikipedia". Wikidata also has a help desk at wikidata:Wikidata:Project chat. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 08:47, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

I can’t use web pages like YouTube channels? For my reference?

Hello, can’t I use YouTube my personal channels or another YouTube channels for my article? Like if the article is about actor - I wanted to share his film as a webpage in the reference ,? So Wikipedia declined my article. Because I have use YouTube?? GJAHANA (talk) 04:45, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

You should read WP:YOUTUBE. WhoAteMyButter (📨_talk│📝^contribs) 04:54, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) hi GJAHANA! generally you cannot use a youtube page as a reference to establish notability as these require to be independent of the subject in question. however it may be possible to use an official site as a external link instead of a reference, placed in the external links section. happy editing!  melecie  t - 04:56, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

@GJAHANA: I suggest you read Help:Your first article if you haven't done so already, and be sure to disclose your conflict of interest on your user page. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:40, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Its beginning to look a lot like CE

I now understand mostly how to go about and fix CE on wikipedia. May i ask one thing, that someone please make me a custom signature to go along with my name? I would quite enjoy it. Presumably grey and red. I hope to continue fixing copy edit and improving Suggestbot articles. Thank you. You'vegotmail27 (talk) 05:08, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

You'vegotmail27, your current signature is just fine. Please continue improving articles: you'll be respected for the work that you do, not for the prettiness of your signature. -- Hoary (talk) 07:30, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

I shall continue working then. You'vegotmail27 (talk) 14:06, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Self-published websites.

I have been advised to not use a self-published website as a reference. I dont understand this. What is an example of a website that is NOT self-published?John Keller (talk) 05:41, 6 December 2021 (UTC) John Keller (talk) 05:41, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, John Keller, websites of respected media organizations that have a group of reporters, a team of editors, and ownership that does not make editorial decisions is not "self published". A university website with an elaborate review process for all of its content is not "self published". An book whose content is available online and is published by a major publishing house that reviews the text of each book with a fine toothed comb is not "self published". Websites that are basically a one person shows are self published. Cullen328 (talk) 06:14, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Cullen328, thanks for your reply. I would have thought that a university website is published by that university! So maybe "self-published" is not exactly what it means. (At first i thought it just meant published by myself.) Anyway, if i wanted to write an article on "Proposed Music Notation Reforms", as written about in the book by Gardner Read, would the website which itemises many of these systems (musicnotation.org) be an allowed reference, in your opinion? (I don't own this website.) My own opinion would be that anyone looking up this topic would be grateful to see examples of some of these proposed systems. I would appreciate your thoughts. John Keller (talk) 06:52, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

John Keller, I see that Gardner Read was a scholar of music who wrote about notation and who died in 2005. So, his work cannot be used as a reliable source for any developments since 2005 or that he did not discuss. If you are here to promote your own original research, then I need to advise you to stop. Experienced general Wikipedia editors take a very dim view of self-promotion, so please be very cautious. Cullen328 (talk) 07:03, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

So my question is whether musicnotation.org could be cited. It is basically a continuation of Read's collection of alternative proposals. Now you are confusing me. Surely people who write articles, or edit them, have done "research" on the topic! John Keller (talk) 07:27, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

As somebody who knows far more than most about alternative notation systems, John Keller, you are well qualified to summarize material about this from sources to which you don't contribute (and that aren't rivals). Used carefully, musicnotation.org looks as if it could be a worthwhile source: if so, it should be cited by editors who don't contribute to it (and aren't rivals). As for the research matter, I have contributed to a number of articles. I can't claim that my contributions have been particularly praiseworthy, but they've seldom aroused reversions, deletions or complaints. I have conducted no research whatever in most of the areas, and on the rare occasion when I have conducted a tiny amount of research I have been careful not to cite this. If this notion seems ridiculous or makes you indignant, then this website isn't for you. -- Hoary (talk) 08:08, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your opinion Hoary. I think we have a different sense of the word "research". People who write on a topic, have researched it. Otherwise they would have no knowledge to contribute. (Except grammar etc.) Yes, I have knowledge of alternative music systems, and my own system has been accepted onto the website. If this makes me ineligible to contribute to the Wikipedia article, would you be kind enough to add the link yourself, not to my system, but just to the website? As you say, it could be a worthwhile source; it is probably the only non-partisan site describing such alternative systems. I feel awful that just because I tried to add something, all the previous references have now been deleted. And the one example that is left in, is not an appropriate example anyway! Without a reference, the whole article is rather pointless. John Keller (talk) 10:27, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

@John Keller this is a dilemma Academics/subject experts who are Wikipedia editors often face. Worthwhile reading Help:Wikipedia editing for researchers, scholars, and academics ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:57, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

John Keller, there is a major distinction between the type of research that Wikipedia editors do, which consists of reading a range of reliable sources say about a topic and accurately summarizing them, and actual original research. Please read No original research which is a core content policy. Cullen328 (talk) 17:59, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

John Keller, I fully agree with Cullen328 immediately above. As for your inviting me to neutrally correct an overzealous deletion in an article, I'm sure you meant this constructively and benevolently, but no, for three reasons. First, my understanding of musical notation is infinitesimal and I worry that I might blunder. Secondly, I've rather lost sight of which article this is about. I see that you have recently been editing the article Musical notation. The uppermost and oldest thread in its "talk" page contains this nugget of stupidity: "If you hadn't noticed, cultural history has indeed been dominated in recent centuries by Europe and particularly the uk." If sight of it made you despair of that "talk" page or talk pages in general, I understand. And the third reason: Do please use an article's talk page to suggest an edit that you think you shouldn't make yourself; this way, you can "engage with" other editors (who for the most part won't be nationalist nutters). -- Hoary (talk) 23:08, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Marking for deletion

How do I mark an article for deletion? I would like to mark the page of the Jakarta ePrix for deletion. RemoteMyBeloved (talk) 07:56, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

You don't mark it for deletion, RemoteMyBeloved. Rather, you first read Wikipedia:Deletion policy to see if policy requires that it should be deleted. If it does, then you carefully follow the recipe for suggesting deletion that you'll find at Template:AfD in 3 steps. Then other users see if they agree with you that deletion is appropriate. If the consensus is that yes it is, then the article is deleted. (If this sounds horribly complex, yes it is. But practice will speed up your part in the process.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:16, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

SALIM SAAD UHURU

What is wrong with my article for submission Leonahnana (talk) 08:11, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

You provide Draft:Salim Saad Uhuru with no references; so for all the reader knows, the whole draft could be mere fiction. Can you cite three sources that discuss the man in depth? If you can't, no article can be produced. -- Hoary (talk) 08:19, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Where to start editing

where should i start editing? Commonwanderer (talk) 09:20, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

You've already made plenty of edits, Commonwanderer, to articles about South Korean TV series. Well, a subject about which you have reliable sources which you understand and can cite. If you have reliable sources about South Korean TV series (a subject about which I know nothing whatever), then why not continue there? -- Hoary (talk) 09:31, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

How can I be reach

How can I be reach Lawrence saitoi (talk) 10:48, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

On their talk page.   Maproom (talk) 13:17, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

How do I start a new page on Wikipedia?

I want to start a new entry on Wikipedia for a bio on someone. When I go to the article wizard, all I get is a blank page. It expects me to write in some sort of computer based language, of which I have no knowledge. I do not see the wizard to prompt me through the various steps of the bio like a template. Please can someone assist me. Mysky2blue (talk) 10:48, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mysky2blue, and welcome to the Teahouse and Wikipedia. There is no template in that sense - structuring the page is the easy part of writing an article. The difficult and much much much more important part is finding the independent sources, and accurately summarising what those sources say. You can find more information in my first article. I always advise new editors who try to plunge straight in to the extremely difficult task of creating a Wikipedia article to put that idea aside for a few months, and learn how Wikipedia works by improving some of our six million existing articles. Doing that is likely to save you much frustration and possibly some wasted work. --ColinFine (talk) 11:00, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

The language is called wikitext, and basic formatting is not all that hard (see Help:Cheatsheet), but you can use the visual editor as well. Kleinpecan (talk) 11:04, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

thank you very much, Colin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 102.132.134.49 (talk) 11:29, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

@Mysky2blue: Welcome to the Teahouse! In the future, please post your question to the Teahouse OR the Help desk, but please do not post the same question to both places at the same time. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:44, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

improving an article under review

Hi, my draft of the Children's Media Conference page was rejected for 'not being written in the formal style expected of an encyclopaedia article'. Could anyone give me any pointers on how I might improve this? I thought I wrote it in a neutral tone and included sufficient independent references. This is my first article - any advice appreciated! Here is the draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Children%27s_Media_Conference Thanks Evadne elenchan (talk) 11:39, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

@Evadne elenchan Welcome to Tea House! While most of the sources are technically external to the NGO, the language and content is still very promotional, for example this testimony:

Our theme this year was very much inspired by the challenges set by our young Changemakers last July. They demanded action from us on climate change, diversity in the industry, enabling the voices of young people and understanding the changing ways in which they’re accessing their media choices. The theme reflects the rapid change in the kids’ content business landscape.

Additionally, the excessively detailed rundown of participants at every year's conference, doesn't given me a sense of what Children's Media Conference does, beyond some "associated notability", which is promotional and brings WP:NOTINHERITED to mind. I do not wish to be contacted for further feedback about this specific article. Good luck editing!~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:51, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Cut down on the trendy buzzwords like "changemaker" and "achiever", and tell readers in plain English what actually happens at these conferences. And leave out the bit about how they changed one meaningless slogan for another. Maproom (talk) 17:35, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

And, Evadne elenchan, remember that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost exclusively interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. --ColinFine (talk) 18:30, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Who is the one

 5.38.22.136 (talk) 12:47, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

DJ Khaled. --Jayron32 13:45, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Neo -Roxy the dog. wooF 13:52, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Please see The One.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:30, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Smitty Werbenjagermanjensen. He was number one! Panini!^🥪 15:35, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

use of photography

Hello. I have a question on the right to use a photo of mould to apply in my painting with acrylic on canvas. how can i apply for permission from the author of the photo? Can I use other photos on wikipedia for my artwork and do I need to get permission from the authors of the photos? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Schimmel-op-tomaat1079.jpg Nadezhda2021 (talk) 15:51, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

@Nadezhda2021 Welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for your question. The photographer (User:Algont) is still very active on Dutch Wikipedia, and I'm sure would be incredibly pleased to learn that you are inspired by their image. But they also released the photo under a Creative Commons licence which permits you to creative derivative works under a similar licence, even commercially. (explained here). I am not, however, sure how licencing applies to new artworks simply 'inspired' by an existing image. I imagine that still giving credit to that inspiration would be sufficient, but I am not qualified to give legal advice. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:22, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

why my article does not meet the criteria of notability?

What is missing from my article to meet the criteria for notability? It is a translation of the article in Spanish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Carlos_Hank_Gonz%C3%A1lez_(businessman) Do you have any recommendations? Diegordeto (talk) 15:55, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

In short, your article does not show that Gonzalez meets the English Wikipedia's threshold of notability for a businessman. The references you have provided merely tell us what he does and do not give details about him to the detailed extent in reliable sources that are independent of him that are required. The Spanish-language wikipedia is totally separate from the English one and may well have less demanding standards. There are over 6 billion people on this planet going about their everyday business and very few of us merit an article here. Note that autobiography is strongly discouraged. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:15, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Added header for no-question

Thank you for inviting me here! Geografreak (talk) 16:13, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome! Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:15, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Listing characters with aliases

I've seen characters with aliases being written both ways multiple times, but I want to know which one is right.

Is it "Real Name/Fake Name" or "Real Name / Fake Name"? Are you supposed to put spaces between the "/" or not? Advofspec (talk) 18:16, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Confused?

I recently changed an article about a sportsman. I cited credible sources and gave reasoning for the change. My change was swiftly nullified and I was threatened with my account being blocked without any specific clarifications. Can someone please explain how editing articles works because my impression has obviously been proven wrong? Are popular pages only allowed to be changed by "special" users? DBSCC95 (talk) 18:35, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi DBSCC95 and welcome to the Teahouse. In this edit, you removed the source you'd added to back up your assertion, leaving it unsourced. Stating the source in an edit summary is not enough. I can't speak to whether the source is credible; this is something you should either discuss on the article's talk page (Talk:Aleksandar Rakić) or with Cassiopeia, the editor who reverted you, on their talk page (but preferably the talk page for the article). Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 18:51, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, DBSCC95. The problem is that the first time you edited, changing the infobox, you managed to insert first the reference correctly between <ref> and </ref>, then the bare URL, and then an empty pair of <ref></ref>: this last is what the error message was about. You tried to sort it out, and ended up removing the reference entirely. Then you edited the lede, without inserting the reference, and Cassiopeia reverted your edits as unsourced. The thing to do now is to discuss it, as Wikignome Wintergreen says. Changing somebody's nationality in an article is often contentious, and most times it would be better to discuss the proposed change on the article's talk page before making the edit; but making an edit, being reverted, and then discussing on the talk page, is a common way for things to happen: see WP:BRD. --ColinFine (talk) 20:04, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank-you for your quick reply. Unfortunately, I am more confused than before. I looked at the talk page and other users agreed with the objective situation. I cannot find "Cassiopeia"'s clarification, I only received a threat for "disruptiveness". I will try for a second time and hope this time I am given an explanation if the sources are not the issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DBSCC95 (talk • contribs) 20:04, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing out the issue with the prior adjustment. I have corrected the sourcing and hope the changes are in line with expectations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DBSCC95 (talk • contribs) 20:13, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

@DBSCC95 and ColinFine: Hi ColinFine, thank you for the ping. Hi DBSCC95 , Good day. Pls note that Aleksandar Rakić's parents are from Serbia but he was born and raised in Vienna, Austria which makes him an Austria - see sources here (note: use control F and type Austria/Austrian to fidd the info in the body of the articles to find the info) - here-1, here-2, here-3, here-4, here-5, here-6, here-7and here -8. Having the Serbian heritage does not make him a Serbian. Many MMA fighters or other subjects and claim their parent birth countries as their own especially those who are the first generation who born outside their parent countries (just like your source provided) but officially and rightfully, they are not the citizen of the countries of their parents. Their ethnicity can not be placed in the WP:LEAD section (intro) of the article but in the body text which the info of his Serbian heritage/ethnicity which could be found in the "Background" section. Pls do not add back the info and source (which is not the false info of his citizenship) back to the article. Stay safe. Cassiopeia talk 00:20, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

@Cassiopeia not to be anal, but someone's citizenship cannot be ascertained by where they were born, nor where there parents are automatically. Most countries in EU do not grant automatic citizenship for being born jus soli. But I agree with your revert/need for sourcing. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 00:39, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I am not sure whether you read your sources considering the headline of the very first you attached translates: "I am a Serbian from Bosnia". How this helps your argument of him coming from Austria I do not understand. Whilst searching for the word "Austria" in this article one can only find a quote of him stating he no longer wishes to represent that country. The following sources are clearly published before 2021, the year he decided to change his nationality and the country he represents. It is not a question of ethnicity as he holds citizenship, stated on multiple occasions . Please compare this situation with Diego Costa, who was born and raised in Brazil without Spanish family members but still enjoys the decency to decide his nationality for himself. If you read through the numerous complaints regarding this matter in your archives, you will realise no countering opinions have been posted. This is the only famous athlete to my knowledge who represents a country in a sport, holds citizenship and claims to come from there, with numerous Wiki complaints (with 0 opposing ones) but has a different nationality on Wikipedia. I think Wikipedia's uniform guidelines are there for a reason. And also please do not forget to edit Elon Musks nationality regardless of his prior statements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DBSCC95 (talk • contribs) 00:48, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

@Shushugah and DBSCC95: DBSCC95, First of all, pls add an additonal ":" /colon from the previous message thread for one space indentation to the right to seperate the messages as this is the protocol of Wikipedia communication in talk pages. Secondly, pls sign your post at the end of your message by adding 4 ~ see Wikipedia:Signatures for details and instructions. Shushugah and DBSCC95, Pls note that Wikipedia is all about verifibility. indepndent, reliable (IRS) sources have indicated he is an Austrian. His mentioned of having Serbian blood is not an independent source as from the subject himself. Whether he raised the Serbian flag or no longer wish to represent the country has no merit of his official nationality. If you can find (IRS) indicated he has Serbian citizenship, then you can add additional nationality on the article. Cassiopeia talk 01:13, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

What is a support group

 184.166.184.67 (talk) 18:56, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. This is mainly an area to ask questions about using Wikipedia, but I can tell you that we have an article on support group (click the link) which should answer your question. 331dot (talk) 19:36, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Have I edit warred?

Hello. On November 26, I made the silly move of violating WP:NOTWALLOFSHAME by reverting 201.187.68.208’s blankings on their own talk page about once (twice if you count an aborted one). I know for sure I violated WP:0RR and possibly WP:1RR, but I did not violate WP:3RR. Do you think I edit warred? — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — SANDBOXES — LOGS — 20:06, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

@3PPYB6: Welcome to the teahouse. Edit warring is when you revert three times in a 24-hour period, so I suggest you haven't violated WP:3RR. It's okay to revert once or twice, but three times is maybe too much. IMO, you didn't edit war. Severestorm28 (talk) 00:03, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

@3PPYB6: You can edit war without violating 3RR but I think that's besides the point here. 0RR and 1RR don't apply unless stated so. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 01:42, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Who reverts edits? How do people revert edits?

Who reverts edits? How do people revert edits? Damianlewis21 (talk) 20:23, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Reverting. ― Qwerfjkltalk 20:43, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

How can I tell if a move is going to be uncontroversial?

In general, how can I tell if a move is going to be uncontroversial? I'm considering moving LGBT rights in Asia to List of LGBT rights in Asia by country or territory. Does this seem like a good time to be bold, or should I bring it up using guidelines in Wikipedia:Requested moves/Controversial? Tyrone Madera (talk) 20:27, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

You will know this if your move is reverted. Ruslik_Zero 20:43, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Sounds good then. Tyrone Madera (talk) 20:56, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

@Tyrone Madera: I see your move was reverted in ten minutes. I'm not surprised. Here are some signs it was likely to be controversial. The biggest is that LGBT rights in Asia#See also shows the same pattern for similar articles. "LGBT rights in Asia" is a much simpler title. LGBT rights is a controversial topic with passionate feelings around it. It's listed as the main article in Category:LGBT rights in Asia which has the same name. The article is well-developed and formatted with many references, indicating large editor interest and care, and it's 13 years old with no moves, meaning a very stable title. If the title was generally considered poor then it would probably already have been moved. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:33, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Your advice was very helpful. I'll be sure to look out for these signs in the future. Thank you! Best, Tyrone Madera (talk) 03:51, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

A question

How to say at the top of an article: "Not to be confused with: example"You'vegotmail27 • TALK 21:09, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

@You'vegotmail27 Welcome to Tea House! You can use {{for}}. Another template I like a lot is {{about}}. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:31, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

@You'vegotmail27: {{Distinguish}} has the particular wording "Not to be confused with" but note the specific usage. There are many other hatnotes for other situations. Please post your real example when you ask a question. We cannot say which hatnote is best suited for what you actually want. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:06, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Help with my page on saffordia

My page on the extinct bivalve saffordia is done, but I can’t publish it, even thought I am 4 days old and have made more then 10 edits, so can someone publish it for me please

}} Fossiladder13 (talk) 21:40, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Fossiladder13. I have added a header to Draft:Saffordia which will allow you to submit it for review. Your citation is generating some error messages, which you should fix. --ColinFine (talk) 21:58, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Where can I express my sincere love for the encyclopedia?

There are good days. There are bad, but overall, I just love you all. Thanks for doing all of what you all do. The hosts, the contributors. Everyone. Feel free to revert this after posting. Just wanted to say a great big ole "Thanks!" to all of you.  ♥Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk)♥ 22:17, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

@Th78blue: There's no need to revert that. It's a great sentiment to hear, and one I can wholeheartedly support. We all have our off days and all have our "this is brilliant days". With your 9,000 edits to date, you've made a great contribution here. So, "thank you", too. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:59, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

google knowledge graph shows a competitor

Hello, I am in need of urgent help, and I wish to create an article about A' Design Award & Competition, however I am involved and thus I am not sure I am the right person to write this article, normally this would not be a problem however the Google knowledge graph is taking a competitor business from Wikipedia when keywords "a design award" or "adesignaward" is searched for, this is creating us financial and reputational damages, plus many of our esteemed laureates are asking why we do not have a Wikipedia article, in the past I tried to create an article but it gets deleted each time, perhaps because I am too involved and passionate about the topic, or because I am not a native speaker of English, or because I lack the etiquette to write a proper article in compliance with Wikipedia quality standards, however I am now scared about writing an article and I don't know what to do, all I know is that Wikipedia knowledge graph as displayed by Google is wrong, and I think the only way to fix it is to provide the right article, I need desperate help from admins to write an article about "A' Design Award". I right now have 3041 current links from 649 media publications within the last few years that I was able to export myself from the website uploaded here https://competition.adesignaward.com/ArticleURLsForWikipedia.csv so I have a significant number of sources, plus A' Design Award & Competition organizes World Design Rankings, and operates designers.org we are actually constructing a larger design museum here in Como, Italy, our laureates include Google themselves, Disney, Pepsi, Lenovo, among many other prestigious brands and we actually manage http://idnn.org/ which means we publish winner design news in 109 languages, plus the jury is 211 persons and entries are blind peer reviewed, and the competition is being organized since 2009, we published 47 hardcover books, all printed in Italy. I would like to humbly ask if you could please kindly help me write an article? Everything I write sounds like an advertisement and I am too biased and I should not write this article, I love A' Design Award & Competition therefore I need your advise or help on what to do forward. I don't know if it is relevant but here I am also providing a list of information here in case:

business name: A' Design Award website: https://competition.adesignaward.com/ relevant categories: design awards, industrial design awards, interior design awards, architectural design awards instagram: https://www.instagram.com/adesigncompetition/ facebook: https://www.facebook.com/adesigncompetition youtube: https://www.youtube.com/c/ADesignAward pinterest: https://www.pinterest.it/adesignaward/ winner showcase: https://competition.adesignaward.com/award-winners.php and http://www.bestdesignsoftheworld.com/ press portal : https://competition.adesignaward.com/press.html press mentions : https://competition.adesignaward.com/ArticleURLsForWikipedia.csv publications list : https://competition.adesignaward.com/printedition.html

I feel I shall not write the article, given my involvement and style, I am asking you if anyone experienced could please help us write a proper, non-biased article that does not sound like an advertisement. 93.56.160.117 (talk) 22:56, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia has no control over how Google uses Wikipedia information in its search results, you will need to contact Google to correct any search result or knowledge graph errors. 331dot (talk) 23:02, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

You can make a request at Requested Articles, but it won't be done quickly. 331dot (talk) 23:03, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much 331dot, I will make a Requested Article in this case, is there a way to expedite the process? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.56.160.117 (talk) 23:05, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but no. Wikipedia is a volunteer project, where people do what they can when they can. The backlog at Requested Articles is severe. To be frank, and I apologize- Wikpedia is only concerned with summarizing what independent reliable sources say about topics that meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability. We aren't concerned with how a lack of an article affects your business. There are actually good reasons to not want an article. 331dot (talk) 23:12, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

thank you very much 331dot, I did my due diligence and added my request here as you suggested, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Applied_arts_and_sciences#Companies_and_other_organizations I understand the backtrack is long, I added the list of independent sources there about 3000 articles written about us or our laurates I hope it would be taken into consideration, and I very much appreciate your kind help and suggestion, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.56.160.117 (talk) 23:19, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

No, this was your edit. Thank you for your modesty in adding it to the end of a list, but the list is, or should be, in alphabetical order, so this entry should go at or near the front. When you make this move from the bottom to (near) the top, please remove every link to the company itself, to Facebook, Instagram, or any other example of "social media". What's needed is a small number links to reliable sources (sources with editorial oversight and high standards) that are independent of the company -- sources that cover the company in depth. Also, please remove fluff such as "laureates include Google , Disney, Pepsi, Lenovo, among many other prestigious brands". (If a brand is prestigious, the reader will know this and therefore saying it is unnecessary.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:34, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Can I get my old edits back?

Greetings, fellow collectors of knowledge.

I had already made a couple of edits before I decided to join up and create an account. Now those edits are of course associated with my IP addresses (which apparently changed between edits). Is there any way to reassign those old edits to my account? Herr Hartmann (talk) 23:28, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Herr Hartmann. No, there isn't, but if you're willing to publicly associate your account with the IP(s), you can make a note on your user page along the lines of, "Used to edit as [insert IP addresses]." Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 23:55, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

@Herr Hartmann @Herr Hartmann I don't believe so. In severe cases, admins can rename the user associated with specific edits, but there are no easy ways to merge account edits. If you need special WP:PERMS you can request so (for example a prior registered account had 500 edits for WP:ECP status. Do you have a more specific reason why? ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 00:05, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

adding to the above, unfortunately if these edits were ip edits, they cannot be considered for ECP status since ips can be used by multiple people and we would have no way of telling who edited which. happy editing!  melecie  t - 04:42, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the infos, everyone! It's not really that important, I'm just a big fan of keeping things organized, and having my contributions scattered over three or four different IPs is definitely not organized. Especially now that I have a perfectly good account that could hold them instead. It would have been nice if it could be done, but it's not really worth making a big fuss about it. I guess it's really my own fault for editing without an account in the first place. Looks like I'll just need to keep making edits and let those early ones fade away in the background. Herr Hartmann (talk) 06:09, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Moving my page out of Sandbox into Wikipedia

I am GaudhamPragadesh123. Hope all of you are doing great! I wrote a page about a company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kami_(Digital_Learning_Platform) and how do i move this from draft stage to live in Wikipedia. As a market researcher, I have already checked all my references. I am also adding few more pages on different industries/sectors. I really appreciate the help guys! GaudhamPragadesh123 (talk) 23:31, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

GaudhamPragadesh123 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I have added the appropriate information to allow you to submit your draft. If you are editing for a client, please review WP:PAID for information on a required formal disclosure. 331dot (talk) 23:40, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

I am honestly telling you I am not doing this for a client, or for money or for any kind of material gain. It is something like this, https://www.huffpost.com/entry/based-on-a-true-story-how-us-debt-collection-industry_b_578dcb4de4b05e7343a69a99 My interests lie in Businesses, Marketing, Analytics and biological sciences. I just want to see my research going live, and Is that asking for too much?

GaudhamPragadesh123 Okay. In any event, please see the top of the draft for the submission notice. 331dot (talk) 23:55, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks mate! I will be working on industry reports going forward. I think I will wait for two months for the reviewers to come up with suggestions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.75.92.197 (talk) 00:32, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Barnstars

How do you propose a barnstar for creation? You'vegotmail27 • TALK 23:37, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Check out Wikipedia:Barnstars#Adding a barnstar to the list, You'vegotmail27. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 23:48, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

assistance meeting "notability" and "citation" guidelines

The first article I have contributed "Gregg Hill (jazz composer)" has been flagged for "notability" and "needs more citations from reliable, independent sources." It has been moved to draftspace(I don't know how to link it here, please advise). I have cited 2 independent articles on the composer (a newspaper article and liner notes of a major commercial jazz release by Rodney Whitaker who has his own Wikipedia page. So at the very least Gregg Hill(jazz composer) should be connected to that page if he doesn't yet merit his own article, correct? Can you tell me if the sources I have are indeed not appropriate, or where the issues are? Please advise the best course of action or connect me with someone who can help this article meet standards before submitting for review? Thank you in advance for your help. EroniousThunk (talk) 23:39, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

courtesy link: Draft:Gregg Hill (jazz composer) Karenthewriter (talk) 23:50, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm not going to evaluate your two sources, but two is a very low number. You might ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Jazz, to see if anyone frequenting that page can dig up more sources on Hill. -- Hoary (talk) 00:52, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Why is an Earls wife called a countess

An Earls wife is called a countess because of king George I brought over the title of count from Germany. Instead of creating a new title however he kept the title “eaorl” just update the spelling to the modern title “earl”. He chose to keep the female version of count (countess) as the female equivalent of Earl.  Lord JAS MOD EOC (talk) 00:20, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Lord JAS MOD EOC, do you have a question about editing? -- Hoary (talk) 00:36, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Lagging when trying to edit

editing issue

Sometimes when I'm trying to edit an article through visual editing, the editing process will start to lag when I'm writing text and it will stutter and take some time for the text to show up after typing. This happens even when I've reloaded the page numerous or close the google page and try it again. Is this normal and is there a fix? My internet connection is quite good and stable too so I don't believe that's the issue. Suthasianhistorian8 (talk) 01:39, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

@Suthasianhistorian8 Welcome to Tea House! It's hard to debug such situations, but one thing I'd recommend is editing Wikipedia in IP mode/in incognito/private mode in your browser to isolate Wikipedia gadgets, browser cache, cookies among other things. Specific articles can be slow because of excessive cascading/transclusion of templates and big images, though usually it's the first few things I mentioned. WP:VPT can be useful too ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 01:51, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

User page and draft article deletion

Someone has removed my user page and a draft article.

Why were these pages deleted and by whom?

Please advise.

Thank you, Courtney S. Calhoun CourtneySCalhoun (talk) 01:55, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

@CourtneySCalhoun I cannot see the content obviously, but it was deleted per WP:U5 misusing Wikipedia as a web host. This is the third time your page has been deleted. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 02:01, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

And per the message at User talk:CourtneySCalhoun#Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Softacom, your draft was deleted under "section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic." I see that you've recreated the draft. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 02:15, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

And I have redeleted it, with a sprinkling of salt. -- Hoary (talk) 03:36, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

How to publish a draft article

FYI

 – Formatted header. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 02:48, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

I have created a draft article in my userspace.

What are the steps to have that published?

John Kaunitz John Kaunitz (talk) 02:46, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, Kaunitzj. I'm afraid your draft has several problems. First, it should have been written in draft space or your sandbox, not on your user page. Second, it appears to be an autobiography. Third and most importantly, it has absolutely no reliable, independent, published secondary sources backing up its facts; every single statement, especially in a biography of a living person, needs to be backed up with an appropriate source. I recommend you take a look at WP:FIRST, WP:AUTO, and WP:Verifiability. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 02:55, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

It also appears to be copied almost exactly from the site located at the included external link. I don't see any copyright statement on that site, but lacking a statement that the text is under a compatible license, I think your draft may be a copyright infringement, and might end up quickly deleted. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 03:00, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. Although I must confess I don't completely understand. I have created the article in my sandbox but moved it to a separate page to give it a title. I can move it to the Draft space it that is what I should do.

The article is supported by the references at the end all of which are published secondary sources that verify the content of the article. Can you please explain what the problem is. There is no article on Wikipedia for Adaptive Noise Cancelling that explains the concept or points to the history of its invention. The article is intended to address this deficiency. THE ISDE website I refer to is my website so I am not sure what needs to be done to alleviate any copyright concerns. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaunitzj (talk • contribs) 04:29, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:Kaunitzj/Adaptive Noise Cancelling  melecie  t - 04:37, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

@Kaunitzj If someone who owns or manages a website which they are citing as a source, they would need to place a permanent statement on that website (or on the relevant pages, at least) releasing that content under a CC-By-SA licence, permitting its re-use, even commercial. Only then may it be copied verbatim into Wikipedia. Nick Moyes (talk) 04:46, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh, I see you mean User:Kaunitzj/Adaptive Noise Cancelling! I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about what you'd posted on your user page. Unfortunately, you still need to work on your referencing; you should back up everything in the article with inline citations, not just a few sentences here and there. Also, I see that the first three references cited are apparently your own work, which may be a problem - see WP:SELFCITE. I'm not sure if adaptive noise cancelling is notable as a concept. If you just want to submit it anyway, you should move it to a draft and then add {{subst:submit}} to the top.Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 04:47, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Alternatively, Kaunitzj, you can simply place {{subst:AFC submission/submit}} at the top of your user space draft and the reviewer will move it to draft space for you (see Wikipedia:So you made a userspace draft). Or you could simply move the article directly to mainspace yourself, but I think you'd run into some problems - it may get moved back to draft or proposed for deletion. Submitting it to AfC is generally safer. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 05:14, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

@Kaunitzj I advise against submitting your draft for review at this time. The following need addressing:

• The lead is way too detailed. It should be a succinct summary in two paragraphs (See WP:LEAD).
• The main content is way, way, way too long and far, far, far too technical.
• WP:NOTABILITY needs to be based on sources independent of you, the author of these references. Show me how the ‘world at large’ has noticed and written about this concept. The only source ‘’not’’ written by you is a book mentioned in the last few sentences. Find three others that talk about it, and base the article on them, not on scientific papers or websites you’ve published.
• Aim your language at a 16-17 yr high school student, not at someone who has already immersed themselves in a subject for a lifetime.
• Your own userpage makes your WP:COI fairly evident, but is written in the 3rd person, not the first person. Please fix that, and make it a single, brief paragraph, not a detailed biography.
• Less is more.

Hope this helps Nick Moyes (talk) 05:58, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Donations

I just made a donation - as I always do - to Wikipedia, and am being bugged by the barrage of requests for donations I STILL receive. I'm sorry, but it's very offputting 103.100.225.156 (talk) 04:05, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for donating! Since donations are not tied to IP addresses, there's no way for the banner to "know" that you've made a donation. If you want to make the banner go away, you can do it by registering an account and disabling its display in your preferences. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 04:10, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

How to write in an encyclopedia tone?

Hi, my Wikipedia submission is rejected due to it being written in a promotional tone. To me, I'm just stating the facts that I found, and I couldn't see the promotional tone of it. It would be appreciated if someone could teach me how to write in a more appropriate tone. For example, is it because of the types of words I used?

Thank you. Theonlysamantha (talk) 05:55, 7 December 2021 (UTC) Theonlysamantha (talk) 05:55, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link Draft:Natural8 Karenthewriter (talk) 06:17, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Theonlysamantha, your draft starts Natural8.com is a skin of the popular GG "Good Game" Network. According to Poker Listings, Natural8 is one of Asia's highest traffic online poker sites that focuses mainly on the recreational player experience. Why say that the network is popular? What (if anything) does it mean to say that a site "focuses mainly on the recreational player experience"? (Is its main focus really this and not, say, that of making money for its proprietor(s)?) And is your subject a skin, or a site, or a room? (It is, or seems to be, described as each of the three.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:46, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Theonlysamantha. Your draft begins with Natural8.com is a skin of the popular GG "Good Game" Network. According to Poker Listings, Natural8 is one of Asia's highest traffic online poker sites that focuses mainly on the recreational player experience. You include an external link in the opening part of the body of your draft, which is incorrect. External links belong only in designated sections. You say that the "Good Game" network is "popular" but do not provide a reliable, independent source for that assertion. What makes you think that "Poker Listings" is a reliable source? It looks extremely promotional to me, and I am completely unconvinced that it is reliable. The types of words that you used are promotional and problematic, but even more so, the sources you use are unreliable and overtly promotional. The bottom line is that Wikipedia is not a venue for any type of promotional content. That is forbidden. Cullen328 (talk) 07:57, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Table cente

Hi, How can I centter a table? Thanks. --Spotanus (talk) 07:39, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Have you read Help:Table#Centering_tables? -- Hoary (talk) 07:48, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

My article Abaasa

Am completely disappointed in how wikipedia reviewers handle musical artists articles. Am starting to believe there is bias and wikipedia favours articles about politicians. For the last few years, I have created articles about politicians in Uganda but even with limited coverage and citations, the articles would be reviewed and not tagged. Problems always arise when I work on an article outside politics, its quickly tagged and the reviewers quickly note that the artists are not notable enough to be on wikipedia. This is soo disappointing, you have to keep in mind that artists especially from countries like Uganda and other 3rd world countries usually have fewer mentions in print media however notable they are, they only get mentions from smaller websites which a reviewer might not put into consideration as he reviews an article. Am generally disappointed with the way artists are treated on wikipedia, at one point I had considered to only write about politicians because for them, somehow reviewers dont over emphasize notability. I need advice, way forward and a look into my article Abaasa and how it can be improved. Bear in mind that I dont have any conflict of interest! It's just a general observation about how my different articles have been treated. Alvinategyeka (talk) 07:50, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Alvinategyeka Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I am sorry for your difficultly. The difference in editing about politicians and editing about musicians is the definition of notability. Most politicians that hold office are notable, per the definition of a notable politician, while not every musician is notable per the definition of a notable musician. These days it is not difficult for almost anyone to create music and post it online, or perform it in a local club(these are just examples), meaning that Wikipedia must be more selective. It is also true that the availability of reliable sources varies from country to country, resulting in a systemic bias. This is unavoidable, as article content, especially about living people, must be sourced to independent reliable sources that can be verified. I would suggest that you move the article into Draft space(or ask that someone do it for you) where you can work on it and take your time, looking for proper sources to summarize and demonstrate that the person meets the definition of a notable musician. 331dot (talk) 08:02, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Alvinategyeka, To extend 331dot's comment, let's do a breakdown here and see what's wrong with the article, hope it's fine.

• The article has several capitalization problems. "kiremire", "prof.", "parents school school" (duplicate school?), "he" in "he later joined", "technology", "muyonjo", "Uganda music Awards", "club music video awards". Also some typing problems like "StudioAlbums", "O'level", "A'level". Songs should also be in quotes unitalicized. I can of course fix all this, but I'm pointing this since I assume you edit on mobile, and hopefully you can pay attention to these issues more. It's not a really big problem of course, I do this too a lot, but just thought me pointing it out might be helpful.
• All sections are title case. So instead of "Music Career", it's "Music career"
• "Early life and Education" paragraph 1, "StudioAlbums", and "Voice inside ft Patrobas" are not referenced.
• Your list of references don't really determine notability. Sofar Sounds is a database; Spotify is a streaming service; Chano8 is a gossip website; New Vision has a server error in my place; BigEye is another gossip site; SongLyrics.com is a database; Spurzine is another gossip site; so is Ugandan Buzz and Northern Buzz. The other sources look good, but if the subject is actually notable then I'm sure you can get other sources replacing these ones that I pointed out. I would never cite gossip sources.
• Web Links should be External links.

I know it may feel like I'm just being a critic here. And I know how harsh the WP environment may be. Trust me, I've been there. But if you really think the subject is notable, and you try look for more sources and try to improve the article just a little bit more, I think you'll get those tags erased. GeraldWL 08:24, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Capitalization problems and the like are irrelevant to notability. Alvinategyeka, I agree with 331dot. And yes, there is a systemic bias. If Abaasa were, say, British, then it would be very likely that he'd eventually get a total of three or more articles in sources such as The Guardian and The Independent. If he did, and if these weren't mere interviews, they'd add up to satisfy the general criteria for notability (and failure to meet the criteria for notability as a musician wouldn't matter at all). I suppose that the population of Uganda would be about 45 million. If the nation lacks anything similar to theguardian.com this is a great pity (not just for Wikipedia-editing purposes, but for the population as a whole); however, it's not at all surprising. To get the coverage that would ensure [Wikipedia-style] notability, Abaasa might have to gain a following somewhere like Hamburg, Paris, or Milan. (You think that this is absurd? Yes, me too.) I'm delighted to see that you're passionate about human rights; it shouldn't be hard to continue editing in that area. -- Hoary (talk) 08:44, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

My article was deleted without giving me the chance to figure out what the issue is...

We have written an article about a cooperative council established last year, but it was tagged as promotional, and I didnt have time to figure out which part of the content is promotional before it was deleted. Can i have some help please? Not sure how to proceed. Wikiabudhabi (talk) 09:24, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

@Wikiabudhabi welcome to Tea House! Who is "we"? On your talk page User talk:Wikiabudhabi it says to contact the Admin who deleted it, if you have a good reason to restore it. That admin was User:Jimfbleak. You're free to recreate a new article, but it cannot be WP:PROMOTIONAL and needs to be reliable, SECONDARY sources. No primary sources or original research. Otherwise it will be deleted again. Please read WP:YFA. Creating your first article is one of the hardest things you can do, but if you take my advice to heart, you'll have much more success in the long term. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 09:42, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

asking for a review

i have added the necessary sources to get this article approved, all of the sources now are reliable enough. Thanks Draft:مطاعم ليمونه Abodiiyi (talk) 09:40, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

@Abodiiyi Welcome to Tea House! In its current state it will almost immediately be deleted. We do not do reviews here on Tea House, rather we provide specific answers to specific questions. The article name itself must be Anglicized, see WP:TRANSLITERATE and we need extensive reviews of the restaurant, beyond mere links proving it exists. Please read WP:YFA and edit for a few months before attempting to create an article. Your content is less likely to be marked for deletion then. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 10:06, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

delete page

hello, how can I delete a page? --Spotanus (talk) 11:01, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Spotanus Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You can't, only administrators can delete pages. There are a few methods of proposing the deletion of a page or article, see WP:DELETE. If you would like to tell us what page or article you want deleted, we can be more specific. 331dot (talk) 11:06, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

@Spotanus Welcome to Tea House! Paraphrasing User:Hoary, You don't mark it for deletion. Rather, you first read Wikipedia:Deletion policy to see if policy requires that it should be deleted. If it does, then you carefully follow the recipe for suggesting deletion that you'll find at {{AfD}} in 3 steps. Then if other users agree with you that deletion is appropriate, if the consensus is that yes it is, then the article is deleted. (If this sounds horribly complex, yes it is. But practice will speed up your part in the process).

Only admins can carry out the actual deletion on a technical level. If it's obvious spam/harmful, you can always submit it to WP:AIV. Which article are you trying to delete? Happy editing ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 11:07, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

AIV is for reporting vandals, not pages for deletion. 331dot (talk) 11:08, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

@331dot@Shushugah I've requested for delete my userpage. Can you delete it? --Spotanus (talk) 11:09, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Done. 331dot (talk) 11:12, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

I can't delete your global user page, you will need to request that on meta. 331dot (talk) 11:14, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

I believe the correct policy on Meta Wiki is meta:Meta:Deletion policy. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:34, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Follow-up to edit the 404 not found link.

Hey Wikipedia, whatever I edit on different pages, on the other day my edit is removed by the moderator, I only give genuine information related to the page then why my all edits got removed by other users, if my any of the edits remove or undo next time, I feel like I have no more be a participant in Wikipedia and quit Wikipedia, I am not a spam person, I am an original person and want to share only real information related to any topic, I hope you understand and help me in this problem. Hasi j (talk) 11:33, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

someone always remove my edits.

Hey Wikipedia, whatever I edit on different pages, on the other day my edit is removed by the moderator, I only give genuine information related to the page then why my all edits got removed by other users, if my any of the edits remove or undo next time, I feel like I have no more be a participant in Wikipedia and quit Wikipedia, I am not a spam person, I am an original person and want to share only real information related to any topic, I hope you understand and help me in this problem. Hasi j (talk) 11:36, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Too much Blue links ?

List of mental disorders in film have blue links for sub-section names. But due to these large blue links, whenever I tried to open sub-section it takes me to the article of blue link. I suggest to remove all these heading blue links and add it inside sub-section. Newton Euro (talk) 11:36, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Article for Creation, Draft Lingaro (deleted)

Hello,

unfortunately the draft article Lingaro I submitted was deleted. The message I received: This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

The question: is the problem only in the style, manner of writing that it looks like an advertisement? Or this means the topic is not notable - not enough trustful sources were linked to this article?

Thank you User-ana5 (talk) 11:44, 7 December 2021 (UTC)