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Maps of Rhu Peninsula

Maps of Lochaber Hi Folks!! I'm looking to find some kind of map of the Rhu Peninsula. It is a small peninsula and completely ignored so far. It has centuries of history for such a small place. The location can be found from the article. I tried to get a map from OpenStreetMap but couldn't. Anyhelp is appreciated. Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 17:22, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Scope creep: Hi, "some kind of map" is a bit wide. What kind of map, there are so many different types so it's more up to what you want and need. Can you link to a map of the type you want, also please show which area you want. We can go from there but I will need your help and knowledge to be able to create what you want. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:44, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en: How goes? It good to see your still about. I will do. I need to take a look at it and some represents. I will be back. scope_creep^Talk 18:20, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en: I think probably some kind of location map, that shows that corner of Scotland, with the pensinsula, e.g. on the Applecross. There may be one available for that corner. I'll check. I found this Ardnamurchan, the satellite map, looks quite cool. I'll put the location map on, found one, and see how it looks. scope_creep^Talk 10:56, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en: The location map point obliterates the location as its so small. I came across this image on Ardnamurchan. It is a satellite. Its shows it in more detail. Something along those lines, possibly. One image that is a good size, that shows it in details. For example, Gower Peninsula. This article has an old map and new map, at the bottom, that looks ideal. It shows the outline, how it is connected to the mainland and some details of the surface, [1]. That type is ideal. It seems to be an Ordnance Survey map. I'm not sure how to get hold of them. scope_creep^Talk 11:13, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

@Scope creep:, thanks for info. I will start and then we will decide more as we go along. Will be back.

 Request taken by --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:37, 28 September 2021 (UTC).

@Scope creep: First I need you to check the overall area is this area fine? --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:08, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en: A bit more to the right, where it joines the main coast. Top, left and bottom are ok. scope_creep^Talk 17:18, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en: It finished somewhere around the Latitude/Longitude: 56° 53′ 37″ N 5° 46′ 20″ W. I can't remember exactly, its been several months since I looked at the article. scope_creep^Talk 17:25, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

scope_creep Those drafts are PNG versions of the original SVG file I'm working in and will upload to commons. For the ones called "map" there should be another color of the land which is "outside of main interest" eg main land. But I don't know where to draw it. So if you want it you have to tell me/show me.
I can remove/add any of what's in those drafts. If you want names there you will have to write them here and tell me where to put them.

• Map 100%-1
• Map 200%-1
• Elevation 100%-1
• Elevation 200%-1 --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 20:08, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en: Great maps. I mean--great. There is a location map on the article already, so the location maps on right are not needed. Is it possible to use both of them. I can stack them in a multiple image template. Two secs. The main infobox on each of them. It says Motor Way it the A830 road. The secondary routes around Arisaig is the B8008. The roads that in the pensinsula is a track. I think. I've not been there. I can't take a look at it on Google Earth. It is a road. When it comes out of Arisaig, it changes from a B road just road with no name. Is it possible to names to them? I'll do names, but it will take me a bit to it. Back soon. scope_creep^Talk 21:10, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

scope_creep We can make as many different versions you need. You should think of that whatever is created here at commons is just not for your article, it's available for anyone in any circumstance. So if you don't want the location maps to the right I will upload versions with them as someone else might need them, to me it's difficult to understand a map like this without them.

I wont change anything in the legends or add names right now, I will wait for you to came back with the complete info.The definitions for roads I used is from OSM so it might not be correct. Tell me which road should be which level and I will change names and type of line. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 13:06, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en: I couldn't do anything at the weekend. The family were up. I've made a start. scope_creep^Talk 23:33, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en: I have a list.

• Places

56.901746, -5.856653 Camas an T-Salainn
56.900107, -5.865492 Port a Mhuilim
56.901902, -5.872618 Sgeirean Buidhe
56.903428, -5.901536 South Channel
56.909281, -5.883173 Loch nan Ceall
56.891859, -5.934538 Rubh’ Arisaig
56.881787, -5.931534 Eilean Port nam Murrach
56.874841, -5.914583 Port a' Bhàthaich
56.871773, -5.899019 Eilean a' Ghaill
56.870272, -5.890094 Camas Drollaman 
56.881785, -5.865980 Camas Leathann 
56.881785, -5.865980 Car an Daimh
56.882207, -5.835516 Camas Ghaoideil
56.902563, -5.893229  Tòrr Mòr 
56.890686, -5.907655 Neolithic carved stone
56.892995, -5.828741 Cup marked stone

• These two constitute the point and the hill.

56.886460, -5.894208, Cruach Doire an Dòbhrain 
56.886366, -5.894380 hill point. This is just a dot.
56.885856, -5.846306 Doire Fhada (show almost vertically a slight inclination to the right)
56.895148, -5.875359 Loch a' Mhuilinn
56.887557, -5.878363 Loch Doire Ghioghain
56.883666, -5.883942 Coire Camas Drollaman 
56.889665, -5.862570 Loch Torr a' Bheithe
56.889665, -5.862570 Loch Dubh
56.896320, -5.846963 Druim an Dubh-leathaid
56.888207, -5.914734  Rhue Cott.
56.903456, -5.901170South channel
56.898518, -5.891041 Rhumach
56.897768, -5.873532 Millburn Cott

See how that looks. scope_creep^Talk 22:09, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

scope_creep I don't understand. I have checked 3 of the "Places" but they gives me locations in the see. The ones under "These two constitute the point and the hill" is locations on land but for what.

• Before you talked about the roads having wrong labels and types of lines. Where you not to tell me which should be what?
• I don't understand what you want me to do with the "Places" and "These two constitute the point and the hill". --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:22, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en: I was hoping you can put these text labels on the map. The Cruach Doire an Dòbhrain is a text label and point coordinate, is just that a point that constitutes the hill, i.e. the top of it. Yip, several are the bays and features around the article. They are the names of the places. I took them from here [2] at 56.891940, -5.862561, that shows the labels in place. I was planning to put in Neolithic, but there is too many, about 70 odd points and it would have been too much work. I have put in two neolithics labels, one at the cup stone and one at Neolithic carved stone. scope_creep^Talk 16:36, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

scope_creep Before I continue is this what you want? --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:28, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en: .The ones in the sea need to be much bigger. The ones in the coast should follow the contours of the map and be closer to them. I've uploaded this map to Google Drive. [3]. It is the ordanance survey map of the area, that gives you the idea of what the labels look like. Its really bigger in the right places, and orientated to the right direction. I don't think it need to be done in the green maps that show forests etc, unless you have started it. It's a goodly amount of work. Or it might take seconds, I don't know. I like the wee green triangles. Better than the original and cool. Font size is good, except in needs to be bigger in the sea. Hope that makes sense. Eilean means island. scope_creep^Talk 17:46, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

scope_creep Sorry but no, it doesn't make sense. I can't read your mind or see the image you have in your mind of what you want.

1. You have given me extremely exact locations for "Places" and so far (of the ones I did) none has been close to the coast. Now it seems that you are rather talking about areas of the seas, not a specific location. Is it areas (I would need information for each) or what?

2. In the map you linked to, some names are blue and some are black. What does each color mean?

Blue means water. Black mean land. scope_creep^Talk 21:11, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

• I'm not to keen of putting names like in that map, the blue ones (bent, rotated), as it to me makes the map so much harder to interpret. So if it's areas I will have to fix it some other way.

That is how it is show on the map. They are quite to read. If they are horizantal, can you put them as close to the source point as possible. I intend to link the bays, for example to article sources at some point.

3. I would need a direct link for that map or from which book, page etc you got it so I can put it up for information source.

Canmore, Ordanance Survey

4. What do you mean by "I like the wee green triangles", I haven't put in any green triangles? --always ping me

They wee green triangles at the bottom of each text label. -- Goran tek-en (talk) 19:44, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

scope_creepTalk 21:11, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

scope_creep If you look at your first Place, 56.901746, -5.856653 Camas an T-Salainn. Search Google maps for those coordinates, look at your map source for the name. I see it as the canmore map shows an area which is much further in to the bay than what those coordinates gives. It doesn't make sense to me.

• To transfer the placing of the coordinates to our map is also difficult so I have to go by what I see. I will do some and get back to you. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:00, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

scope_creep Check where the coordinates takes you for those two, 56.891859, -5.934538 Rubh’ Arisaig and 56.881787, -5.931534 Eilean Port nam Murrach, they are really of. As many coordinates are of I have removed them for the areas in bays etc. I have made everything in "Places" so check before I continue. I have changed the roads also.

• map-3.
• elevation with forest-3, it might be to much but I can tone down the forest if you like it.
• elevation-3.
• The place triangels are actually a red color. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:15, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

• Drive by comment: The main paved road on the peninsula is difficult to make out without greatly enlarging the map. Possibly it could be coloured? Gog the Mild (talk) 18:19, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en: Those maps are really really decent.

elevation with forest-3. I think it is much better. Map 1 as well.

Roads. Can you make the major route the A830 and the minor B8008. The rest are ok.

they are really of What is that.

The canmore map I was using is this: [4]

The names are on it. Brain is dead. I need to add Arisaig and one other village and a loch name in south-east. I notice the hill names are not there. places, got you.

The coordinates you gave look as though they are out on the sea. I see now. It is the zoom level.

Try 56.891859, -5.934538 -> 56.892093, -5.930000

The one at 56.881787, -5.931534, is long due to its name. If you can place them as close as you need to, to the places, e.g. an bay, or an island. I have monitor set to giant font, so I can see it properly. That can only be the reason.

Can you please add 56.879501, -5.791591 Loch Nam Uamh

56.910407, -5.839299 Arisaig

Apart from that. Map 1 and 2. The deep forest wee icons are visually attractive and better than the base green.

scope_creepTalk 14:57, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

scope_creep

• What do you want me to do with A830 and the minor B8008, they are there on the map?
• they are really of, I mean that they are showing the wrong place.
  

I have really tried to put in everything on your lists, check them all both for location, type, name.

• map-4
• elevation forest-4 --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:30, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• @Goran tek-en: They are perfect
• Change Major Route to A830
• Change Secondary Route into B8008 in the Index box. They are what the roads are called. The A830 is the red road with a dashed line and the simple red line around Arisaig is the B8008.
• To fill in the tops and bottom bits at the right please add:
• Saideal ha Ceapaich at 56.908489, -5.857578
• Missed the island : Luinga Mhor at 56.900244, -5.933796
• Camas na h-Eilde 56.891903, -5.770374

Thats every. That fills in the corner, the top and island. 21:56, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

scope_creep If you don't sign your post it seems as the ping doesn't work.

• Isn't Camas na h-Eilde to far to the east for this map?
• map-5
• elevation forest-5 --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:42, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en: Yip. Those maps are now perfect. I think that is them finished. scope_creep^Talk 17:13, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

scope_creep I will need the following for each of the files;

• Name of the file
• Description (/language)
• Captions/s (/language)
• Category/ies at commons
  

to be able to upload it at commons. If you don'y know about Captions read here. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:13, 14 October 2021 (UTC) @Goran tek-en: How about

• Name of the file:

Map 1 is Rhu Peninsula map 1

Map 2 is Rhu Peninsula elevated thematic map 1"

• Description (/language)

Map 1 is Rhu Peninsula map with neolithic features

Map 2 is Rhu Peninsula elevation map with neolithic features

• Captions/s (/language)

Map 1 is Rhu Peninsula map that contains names of features

Map 2 is Rhu Peninsula thematic map containing names of features

• Category/ies at commons
  

Both maps:

Maps of Rhu Peninsula

Maps of Lochaber

Maps of Inverness-shire

scope_creepTalk 18:33, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

scope_creep I can't find those two categories at commons; Maps of Rhu Peninsula, Maps of Lochaber. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 13:05, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en: I'll search for alternatives. scope_creep^Talk 14:30, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en: Please put them in Maps of Inverness-shire and Topographic maps of Scotland. scope_creep^Talk 14:40, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

scope_creep Now you can find them here Commons:file:Rhu Peninsula map 1.svg, Commons:file:Rhu Peninsula elevated thematic map 1.svg, Commons:file:Rhu Peninsula map 1 location legend.svg, Commons:file:Rhu Peninsula elevated thematic map 1 location legend.svg. If you are happy with this please put the code {{re.solved|~~~~}} (without the ".") on this request so it can be archived, thanks.  Done --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:59, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @Goran tek-en:. They are beautiful maps. If your up for it, in a couple months I would like to do another map for another peninsula. There is nothing on that page. Excellent work. {{resolved}}

scope_creep Thanks, just ping me and we will see. And I get knowledge of places I can visit I never knew about. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:59, 15 October 2021 (UTC)