Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Sayman (3rd nomination)

Michael Sayman

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Article doesn't meet WP:BLP conditions for notability; fails WP:GNG. Radio Adept (talk) 12:23, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Recommending WP:SALT. This article was nominated for deletion earlier this month, with an overwhelming consensus of Delete; however, the page was re-created in its entirety just a couple weeks after page deletion. This is a repeat of previous such behavior, when the article was deleted with overwhelming consensus in November 2018, then re-created in its entirety just 3 days later. Radio Adept (talk) 16:05, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - how similar is this to the previous one Radio Adept? It might be eligible for WP:G4 and may even need WP:SALT. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:31, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I read through it and it's pretty much identical to the previous one, if not entirely identical. It could be WP:SELFPROMOTE for User:Purplehippo458, based on contribution history. I agree on needing WP:SALT. Radio Adept (talk) 12:40, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - One of the largest news outlets in Bolivia, El Deber, published an entire article about him having COVID-19 after he posted on social media that he had potentially contracted the virus: https://eldeber.com.bo/mundo/michael-sayman-dice-que-probablemente-tenga-coronavirus_169613 I believe this person qualifies as notable at least in Latin America, maybe not in the United States. Purplehippo458 (talk) 15:31, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- The fact that the article's only context for Sayman is he was hired at Facebook at 17 makes this whole topic WP:1E. That is nowhere close to notable according to WP:BLP—otherwise Wikipedia would need an article for the youngest employee of every major company. Also, if you don't mind me asking: What is your relation to Sayman? Radio Adept (talk) 15:48, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- There are reliably sourced articles about Sayman from years before he joined Facebook, and other articles afterward that are unrelated to that part of his life. Over a year before joining Facebook, ABC News published this story about him helping pay for his parents' bills: https://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/michael-sayman-16-release-9th-app/story?id=19328187. There is clearly more to his notability than being hired by Facebook at 17, including his involvement in the creation of Instagram Stories https://www.porchlightbooks.com/blog/excerpts/always-day-one which was also written about by Bloomberg News and can be found in the citations I added to his page. Purplehippo458 (talk) 16:44, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Many people are hired by tech companies at young ages, and if that was the only notable thing written about him, I would have agreed with you on the case of WP:1E, but in this case I believe he does not fall under that rule. Purplehippo458 (talk) 16:47, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I met Sayman once at a conference in Bolivia years ago and decided to start exploring Wikipedia when I realized there wasn't an article about him in English, but there was one in Spanish. Purplehippo458 (talk) 16:49, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- This People (magazine) article talks about his boyfriend and personal life, a year after coming out as gay, and is completely unrelated to him joining Facebook at 17. https://peopleenespanol.com/chica/michael-sayman-talks-about-coming-out/ Purplehippo458 (talk) 16:56, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Sayman is a Forbes 30 under 30, I wouldn't delete the article. https://www.forbes.com/30-under-30/2019/consumer-technology/#627e2d7869da. AstronautElvis (talk) 19:06, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Sayman has been the subject of numerous features and articles and is certainly qualified for a Wikipedia entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaun Sm (talk • contribs) 19:12, 30 January 2021 (UTC) — Shaun Sm (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Admin comment: It looks very much like there has been WP:CANVASSing here, as some of the above "comments" are by editors who haven't edited in years but abruptly reappeared to come here to argue (but, oddly, not !vote) for keeping this. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:18, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This version of the article has significant changes from the previous one. Many of these additions, including section 'Revelations in "Always Day One: How the Tech Titans Plan to Stay on Top Forever"' with a quote about Sayman from Mark Zuckerberg, contribute to his notability by highlighting additional areas of interest by the public on his influence in the tech industry and on products, such as Instagram Stories where the previous versions of this article did not. Furthermore, additional edits that cite his awards, autobiography, and political activism provide deeper context to his influence in Latin American culture beyond the role he had at Facebook. Purplehippo458 (talk) 21:29, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]