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Help on Article

Hi everyone! I am a part of an online communities class, and we have been tasked to create a new Wikipedia page or add onto an existing page. Any help, guidance, or suggestions are welcome as I work to perfect my article. Thank you :) Bubblegum111 (talk) 16:25, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@Bubblegum111 Welcome to the Teahouse. As you will see if you read some of the other threads on this page, writing articles from scratch is quite difficult for newcomers. Some of that is discussed in this essay. So, my advice would be to spend your time initially adding to existing articles on topics which interest you or where you have some expertise and can recognise gaps and new reliable sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:46, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @[[User:Bubblegum111|Bubblegum111], and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. I'll say it more strongly than Mike: My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 10:35, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Bubblegum111 Your instructor should review the Wikipedia Education Program materials; requiring the creation of a Wikipedia article is not the best assignment, as much of the process is outside of the control of those undertaking it. Adding to an article is better. 331dot (talk) 10:46, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

You appear to have succeeded in creating PopUp Bagels. Congrats. Still needs work, as has been tagged as having promotional content. David notMD (talk) 14:50, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

By the way they actually have an extremely experienced and proficient instructor, if you look at their contributions. Yeshivish613 (talk) 01:40, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Basically the most crucial part is to have 3-ish reliable, independent sources with significant coverage (many, many articles at Articles for Creation fail this, unfortunately). You've got that, as well as mostly citing what the article says, so you're basically good on the fundamentals. Went and voted at the AfD as the sources seem good. Mrfoogles (talk) 05:58, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

draft:jsky

Hello, can you kindly review this latest submission. Draft:Jsky

The 3 notable secondary sources used are UK Regional print newspapers which solely discuss Jsky and his achievements:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/showbiz-news/jsky-stephanie-davis-hollyoaks-celebrity-9091344

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/25012680.bbc-star-jsky-featured-new-bolton-museum-exhibition/

https://www.burytimes.co.uk/news/20287465.bury-star-jsky-first-carry-commonwealth-baton/ Humphrey.Mulberry (talk) 17:09, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

It seems that Draft:Jsky has had a long history and was rejected (which means "stop trying: this topic is not suitable for Wikipedia") in 2022. The more recent sources still fail to reach our notability requirements, since they are local newspapers giving limited information based mainly on interviews. We need three or so sources which meet the golden rules for good sources. These may appear after his single is released later this year. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:44, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Tags on my edits

I've had "Tags: possible BLP issue or vandalism" as tags on two of my most recent edits and I'm wondering if I am doing something wrong, or is this expected? Footballcrazyguy (talk) 21:38, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Footballcrazyguy. The filter tags these edits because they may add WP:UNSOURCED content to articles about living people or other problematic stuff. I suggest you read WP:BLP and make sure you're not adding anything against policy. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 22:26, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@Footballcrazyguy Welcome to the Teahouse. I don't see any problems with the edits [1] or [2] in question. They were marked automatically by software, not editors, and they have not been reverted. I think that the filter may have worried that you have <30 edits and were using foreign-language sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:29, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, I'll keep doing what I'm doing in that case. Footballcrazyguy (talk) 00:03, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

This is not unusual, and wouldn't be considered a negative. I can be specific about both edits here. One is that you say someone has been fired. In many biographies this is worth flagging for a quick review (for review, not reversion). The second is a bit more obscure, and relates to the club name Petrocub Hîncești. If you speak English well, you may be able to see why this was picked up. Filters are coded by humans and not perfect. You'll find you'll hit the filters less after you've made more edits. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 22:43, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, those explanations make sense for both. I didn't notice the club name until you mentioned it, lol. Footballcrazyguy (talk) 00:03, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Uploading an image for a draft article

I have a draft called Draft:Stewart (brand), and I tried to upload Stewart's logo for the article, but it says I can't upload a image for a draft article when I get to the "What article is this image for" part. How do I upload it? Liam9287 (talk) 21:55, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@Liam9287: Once your draft is moved to the mainspace, you can upload the image then. Because you want to upload a logo, it’s probably going to be WP:NONFREE content, which only allow such files in the mainspace. cyberdog958^Talk 22:07, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Ok thankk you 😄 Liam9287 (talk) 22:15, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Do you think my draft so far is good? Like the citations? Draft:Stewart (brand) Liam9287 (talk) 00:47, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

No. Three of your four refs are to the company website. You must find refs about Stewart that are independent from the company. David notMD (talk) 14:53, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

User signatures

How can I create a colourful signature for my username? ComeAndJoinTheMusic (talk) 00:44, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Go into Special:Preferences and look for the signature box, where you can edit your signature. ‹hamster717🐉› ^{(discuss anything!🐹✈️ • my contribs🌌🌠)} 02:45, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

There's also a helpful guide at Wikipedia:Signatures. Cheers! ‍Relativity ⚡️ 00:37, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

How do I know that my question has been asked earlier?

Hello all. I am a newbie and still learning "walking steps", so to say. I have a question "Can a stamp be copyrighted"? For instance, today, when I was searching for stamps on HIV, I came across this - https://www.alamy.com/discoverer-of-the-hiv-virus-luc-montagnier-on-stamp-image593202402.html. It shows a stamp issued by Bhutan and is related to HIV. I need to use it in one of my academic works. But it is supposed to be copyrighted by ALAMY. In the past too, I have seen several such stamps copyrighted by them or by some other agencies. My question is "Can someone simply put its logo on a stamp and assert it is copyrighted by them? How do we know for sure, it is copyrighted by them? Can a public image, like that of stamp be copyrighted?" Now my related question. Before putting this question in this group, I was very much aware that this is a common question, and probably has been asked [and answered] in this forum. Since I did not want to clutter up this space, with duplicate questions, I wanted to search for this question. But could not figure out how. For one thing, people might have asked the question using different words. Then how do I search? Are there any keywords or similar things to search for? How? Kindly explain. Thanks. Neotaruntius (talk) 04:24, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Neotaruntius, it's a good idea to "bookmark" c:Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory, from which you can easily reach c:Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/Bhutan. And from c:Commons:Stamps you can easily reach c:Commons:Stamps/Asia, though unfortunately all this says about Bhutan is "No information available". ¶ Take "No information available" to mean "Lack of clear evidence that these are anything other than conventionally copyright ('all rights reserved')". If they are, or might be, conventionally copyright, they cannot be used on Wikimedia Commons; and if they can't be used there, they also can't be used on English-language Wikipedia, other perhaps than via a claim of "fair use". ¶ Alamy says that this image was contributed by "Peregrine". Click on the link on that page to "Peregrine", and one sees that this person has uploaded over a hundred images, of which most (all?) are of stamps from a great number of nations. I find it hard to believe that Peregrine has the rights to these. But this is the kind of thing that a website (whether Alamy or Wikipedia) can expect when it invites the carefree/optimistic/feckless to upload what they say is their own. ¶ The best place to ask about image copyright and related matters -- other than "fair use" -- is c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. -- Hoary (talk) 05:29, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Hoary, thanks. This is as detailed a reply as can be, although at this moment, I can't claim I have understood your answer completely. Instead of a binary yes or no, it is a much nuanced reply and I will need to understand this properly after visiting all these sites you mentioned. I have heard about Village pump, but I did not realize it had sub-sites also. Thanks again. Neotaruntius (talk) 08:23, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

And more, Neotaruntius. "Can someone simply put its logo on a stamp and assert it is copyrighted by them?" If an image is in the public domain, then yes, I believe that someone can do just that. (Making the claim doesn't necessarily mean that the claim will be taken seriously.) And if the "can" in that question is in the epistemic sense (a matter not of authorization but of probability, as it "It can snow in June", or "Nitwits can vandalize Wikipedia"), then yes. ¶ "How do we know for sure, it is copyrighted by them?" You could email Alamy to ask. ¶ "Can a public image, like that of stamp be copyrighted?" I don't know what you mean here by "public image"; but yes, many nations copyright their stamps. -- Hoary (talk) 05:46, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Hoary thanks for the second part. Come to think of it, I also have only a vague idea of what a public image is or should be. I would imagine that the image of sun should be a public image, because it is available for everyone to see and photograph freely. Probably a Bhutan stamp (but not an extremely rare stamp, or, say, the Kohinoor diamond) is also a public image, but I know you will now easily drag me onto a slippery wicket. Well, another important part of my question has remained unanswered. How do I know this question had been asked earlier? I might be asking a question already answered. Sorry, I sound so naive. Actually I am. Thanks. Neotaruntius (talk) 08:35, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Neotaruntius, in this context, "public image" is an unfamiliar term to me. I think that you mean by it something like "image of a sight available to the public". The outside of the building where I live is available to the public (you can come here and view it, or anyway one side of it). The inside is not: If I don't invite you in, you can't come in. But, however incredible it may seem, even the exteriors of buildings facing public streets/roads are, in many parts of the world, not available for published photography, because those areas don't have what's called "freedom of panorama". In many (most?) nations, you also have no right to publish the photographs you take of new statues that anyone is free to view in public places, etc etc. Publicly available/visible stamps, banknotes, posters, etc, must also be assumed to be conventionally copyright ("all rights reserved") unless there's a clear reason for them not to be (public availability/visibility of what's photographed is no reason at all). -- Hoary (talk) 08:49, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

File:Independence Monument (27506800337).jpg is a "fun" example of FOP rules, read through the Licensing templates. Bonus "fun" at [3]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:07, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Hoary, this is really interesting. I would have imagined that I had a right to publish [on my own Facebook page] my own image taken in front of, say, "Statute of Liberty" and someone could have questioned its validity. I do not visit social media sites often, but whenever I do, I find so commonly people post their pictures by the side of, or in front of, famous sights, and no one takes it seriously. Well I think it may also depend on where you are posting it - in an informal Whats-app group or in an academic book available for sale. I realize "copyright" is a big area of law, and probably cannot be discussed in a series of questions and answers, certainly not with a beginner like me, who knows nothing about it. But your statement "In many (most?) nations, you also have no right to publish the photographs you take of new statues that anyone is free to view in public places, etc etc. " really astonished me. I shall keep learning, although currently it seems like an incredibly large ocean for me to swim across. It is fun to learn anyway. Thanks very much. Neotaruntius (talk) 10:50, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

@Neotaruntius To answer the search part of your question: there is a search box that works over the Help pages. You'll find it near the top of this Teahouse page. If you use the keywords "stamp" and "Bhutan" the search returns this hitlist, from which you can see that related questions have been asked and that this thread is already indexed as a hit. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:04, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

... see also Postage stamps and postal history of Bhutan and File:Stamp Bhutan Punakha Dzong bridge 2009 FDC.jpg, which suggests that the stamps are the copyright of the issuing authority, as is the case in very many countries. For the purpose you mention, it will depend on fair use rules in your territory. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:31, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Note that Alamy should not be trusted on matters of copyright. Many of the images which it offers for sale have been copied, without due credit, from Wikimedia Commons. Maproom (talk) 12:36, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes Maproom, this was actually the "core" part of my question. Honestly I wasn't very much worried about Bhutan stamp/its copyright, as much as was the authenticity of Alamy's claim, and the way to check it. I think there are several other similar companies which make similar claims. I think one is Shutterstock or something like that. Not pointing a finger on any one; they may all be making right claims. Just wondered if we can take these claims on their face value, or is there a genuine way of checking it. Thanks to all, who took time to answer a complete newcomer's genuine enquiry. Neotaruntius (talk) 15:11, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

In the case of this specific stamp/image, there are actually several (potential) copyrights to be aware of:

1. The stamp design: unless you can show that Bhutan freely licenses these designs or makes them copyright-free, or that the copyright would have expired, you should presume that this is in copyright.
2. The image of Montagnier: this looks as though it is based on a photograph; there is likely to be a separate copyright for this (which if it was specially commissioned by the government of Bhutan for this stamp may also rest with them; otherwise it is likely to be held by the photographer)
3. The photograph itself: in this case there is unlikely to be any copyright here. See Commons:COM:When to use the PD-Art tag

So Alamy/"Peregrine" probably do not actually have any copyright interest in this image, but the image itself is probably still encumbered by copyright. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 09:51, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

My. Kushwaha of Nepal article is not accepted yet

 Courtesy link: Draft:Kushwaha community of nepal

Please accept it fast Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 06:38, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

@Bhaskar sunsari: What's the rush? Wikipedia is a volunteer service and you cannot make demands on reviewers' time. You can see at the top of the draft submission box that there are over 2,300 drafts waiting for review. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 07:06, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

sir /mam i understand but this is my first article please accept it fast it will motivate me to write more article please Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 07:09, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, that's now how this works. It's better that you spend some time learning our rules and style guide before trying to create your first article. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 07:36, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

sir / mam some one decline my article saying it is a copy but i have made it for the kushwaha community of Nepal not India it is different please check it again kushwaha page exist it is for kushwaha of India not nepal I have made it for Nepal kushwaha are present in Nepal also Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 08:09, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Bhaskar sunsari: Now I see that this falls under the Contentious topics procedure so I reiterate that you need to spend more time learning the rules and style guidelines. You will not be allowed to edit or create articles in this area until you have more experience. (This rule applies to all new editors, not just you personally.) — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 08:33, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

i understand sir mam but look at once in my article( kushwaha community of nepal ) once it will help nepali kuswahas in study too it have listed their poplulation in different states of nepal and different districts too it is not related with kushwaha of india please sir/mam it will not harm wikipidea if you accept it and if you accept it it will even motivate me do more contribute to wikipidea please accept my article Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 08:46, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Bhaskar sunsari: You have been told why this is not going to happen. Continuing to resubmit it without any changes is just wasting everyone's time. If you think there needs to be a separate article from Kushwaha then you can make a suggestion on that article's talk page. Only do this if you have reliable sources to support your claim. — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 09:05, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

ok sir /mam please tell me what changes i have to do to make it accepted i will do changes you will say please ... just tell mei just want to be my article accepted. Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 09:08, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Please slow down. There's no rush, there's no deadline. 331dot (talk) 09:12, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

but sir/mam just tell what changes in have to do i will do please i beg you Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 09:17, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Please read the advice that you have already been given here and on the draft page by Theroadislong, DoubleGrazing, and myself. (By the way, my preferred gender pronouns are in my signature and you do not need to address me as Ma'am.)— ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 09:18, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

sir i have done too much changes to my page kushwaha community of nepal please accept it now if there is any mistake please suggest me i will correct it ...but look at it once please i m like your brother.... Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 12:50, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

I have declined your draft we already have an article on the topic here Kushwaha. Theroadislong (talk) 07:58, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Stop imploring at Teahouse to have your draft approved. Teahouse hosts are here to advise, not review drafts (although some also serve as reviewers). Repeatedly asking/begging to have your draft approved is just annoying. David notMD (talk) 14:56, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Need to contribute to Wikipedia

I’m an inexperienced editor on Wikipedia. I have been introduced to wiki editing. How do I get started then? Is there a game that introduces me to contributing to encyclopedia? CoolWeb092 (talk). 09:21, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

There is indeed a game! You can find it at The Wikipedia Adventure. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 09:26, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Is the Wikipedia Adventure new or old? CoolWeb092 (talk). 19:35, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

You can also look at WP:TASKS. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:11, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

I can see this. CoolWeb092 (talk). 23:20, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

But what does the task center do? CoolWeb092 (talk). 18:41, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Have you visited either of the links you've been given? You will find answers to your questions there. — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 23:38, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes I have. CoolWeb092 (talk). 01:41, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

make sure to read everything on the page! you may be missing something on accident, happens to the best of us. :) ogusokumushi^{( ୧ ‧₊˚ 🎐 ⋅ )} 15:28, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Keeps getting logged out

MediaWiki keeps logging me out after browsing a few pages. -- Least Action (talk) 13:43, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Least Action. I believe this type of problem can probably be resolved by:

1. logging-out,
2. clearing your browser cookies (at least for the domains wikimedia.org and wikipedia.org),
3. if you restrict cookies with custom settings, then make sure you are allowing the new auth.wikimedia.org sub-domain
4. log-in again.

If that doesn't help, please either file a task in Phabricator (if you are comfortable doing that), or reply here with more details about your setup and the specific problem so that we can file a Phabricator task on your behalf, such as: which browser/OS/App are you using when you get logged-out, if you are using any browser-extensions that might be interfering (such as a cookie limiter), how long after logging-in you are getting unintentionally-logged-out (and does it seem to be time-dependent or number-of-pages-visited dependent as you describe above), if you are using a VPN or proxy or a satellite ISP, and anything else you think might be relevant.

General background note: There have been some recent updates to the system for logging-in. Overall, the changes should improve things for everyone, and the changes are needed due to the way that web-browser software is being updated (details at mw:MediaWiki Platform Team/SUL3).

I hope that information helps. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 22:18, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Incorrect re-edits to updated pages

Why should an author be allowed to revert to an old version of a personality page when the page has been especially re-edited to add updated achievements and information on the given personality? Jashnetalat (talk) 15:44, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Other editors have as much right to aim to improve an article as you have (or more, for a while, now that you've got yourself blocked for edit warring). When your block ends, you should discuss the issues on the article's talk page. Maproom (talk) 18:47, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Question about an article

This article [4] has some issues with it. It needs additional citations for verification and such. But, when I try to do a proposed deletion, it was already nominated. So I was wondering if an article can be re-nominated to be deleted or not. Thanks, Editz2341231 (talk) 16:12, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Editz2341231. Improvement of an article about a clearly notable topic is always preferable to deletion. If you go to Google Books and enter the character string "water weights load testing", you will find quite a few high quality reliable sources on this topic. Select and summarize the best of them, create references to them, and you will have dramatically improved the article. Cullen328 (talk) 19:03, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

@Cullen328 can I still add references to the sentences that are already in the article? Does the amount of content in an article determine it's notability? Editz2341231 (talk) 19:40, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Editz2341231, you are welcome to improve the article in any way you wish. Aside from a very few exceptions, articles don't have notability; however, an article should demonstrate the notability of its subject. Adding to the content of an article goes towards demonstrating the notability of its subject (or increases the obviousness of this notability), as long as the additions are sourced reliably (and, for many kinds of subject, are independent of the subject). -- Hoary (talk) 20:52, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Editz2341231, notability is a property of a topic, not a property of a Wikipedia article about that topic. A poor quality article about a clearly notable topic does not make the topic any less notable. It just means that the article cries out for expansion and improvement. Adding references to reliable sources that devote significant coverage to the topic is a good start. Summarizing those references and adding new content is even better. That's why we are here. Cullen328 (talk) 05:33, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

On Wikipedia, the policy is to never delete articles unless they're impossible to fix; basically, if sources exist that talk about the subject in depth, than an article could be written on it, even if the current page is just random ChatGPT-generated falsehoods with no citations whatsoever. In that case, all the text would be deleted and likely replaced with one cited sentence. Here, if you think that the uncited material might not be true, you're allowed to remove it (although someone else can put it back if they find a citation). Mrfoogles (talk) 20:06, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

How to get to extended confirmed

500 edits or 1000? ~ [[User:ComeAndJoinTheMusic|Music]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:ComeAndJoinTheMusic|''what music?'']]} ~ (talk) 22:23, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi ComeAndJoinTheMusic - As stated at WP:XC "A registered editor becomes extendedconfirmed automatically one edit after the account has existed for at least 30 days and has made at least 500 edits." - Arjayay (talk) 22:27, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Is undoing enough

If I was just testing AFC submissions, was undoing the afc edit to stop the submission? Special:Diff/1283011776 Justjourney (talk) 22:34, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 10:18, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Nominate for deletion?

While expanding stubs I saw an article that doesn't seem to meet requirements based on what I've read. Can I nominate it for deletion as a newbie, or should I do something else? Don't want to overstep. Thanks. Milkywaythegodfather (talk) 23:02, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

@Milkywaythegodfather Absolutely you can - the "worst" thing that will happen is somebody finds better sourcing and makes a snarky comment at you. To mitigate the chances of that, make sure you do a proper WP:BEFORE to determine if the subject might be notable, despite the state of the article. That's going to probably involve looking through Google News, Google Scholar, Google Books, or other similar platforms. If the article's about an academic, however, make sure you look at ou guidelines for determining academic notability. They're very different, and even experienced users get caught out by that. Don't be afraid to withdraw if somebody finds better sourcing, and good luck on your Wikipedia journey! GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 23:16, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I did the nomination at Jacky Chou. If you get a chance, would love to know if I did it correctly. Thank you. Milkywaythegodfather (talk) 17:58, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@Milkywaythegodfather Yep, perfectly correctly as far as I can see! Good nom, too - contains an analysis of the sources and why you don't feel like they should qualify. And you appear to have managed the transclusions just fine - I remember how weird it was doing those for the first time. If you'd like to make the paperwork side of things easier in the future, now that your account is autoconfirmed, you can always use something like WP:TWINKLE to automate parts of it. You can enable it in Special:Preferences, and while it might look a bit scary, as long as you go slowly it's really useful for stuff like this. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 08:43, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, really appreciate it! I'll check out Twinkle. Milkywaythegodfather (talk) 14:48, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, I just installed Twinkle early on and never had to learn the AFD nomination templates at all. It's a good tool. Mrfoogles (talk) 20:08, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Editing on high profile pages

Hello editors, I really wanted to edit articles that are metropolitan related, but for pages, such as Boston, Philadelphia, and New York City, it seems that these articles are monitored and patrolled by extended confirmed editors. Can you please explain how to start an edit to these articles without being it patrolled? Is there a way for an edit to be made un an article without being undone? (Magnent)”Harold” (talk) 23:47, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello @MagnentHarold. Assuming you don't mean the articles aren't extended protected, you can try to be bold and just make the edit and improve the article. If it's reverted, that's okay, because you can always discuss with the reverting editors on the article's talk page. Discussion is how Wikipedia grows. If you really aren't sure your edit will be an improvement or abide by guidelines, you can open up a section on the talk page and ask for advice. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 23:56, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

How can discussions grow on Wikipedia? (Magnent)”Harold” (talk) 00:48, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

What I meant is that discussions is how Wikipedia grows. In a collaborative environment, there will always be conflict. That conflict is settled in discussions. Those discussions are how we find how to improve articles. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 04:37, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Why would there be always conflict? (Magnent)”Harold” (talk) 05:10, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Because human nature leads to conflict. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 05:12, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Could conflicts not only happen in discussions, but also any media where communication is always the priority? (Magnent)”Harold” (talk) 08:19, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@MagnentHarold There won't be conflict every time, or even most times (depending on where you edit), but if you keep editing, sooner or later someone will disagree with you on something, and then it's time for discussion. To quote WP:COMMUNICATE. "Most article updates are uncontroversial, so discussion isn't needed. In cases of disagreements amongst editors, though, there is no choice but to communicate with others. All Wikipedia editors are expected to make a good-faith effort to use talk pages to discuss issues when needed." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:20, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

In some cases if a dispute is resolved, but editors still disagree, then what to do? (Magnent)”Harold” (talk) 06:39, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

In general, articles with more views per day tend to also have editors who have chosen to have those articles on their "Watch" list, meaning that every time they log in they can check their list to see what has been edited. I 'watch' about 30 articles; some people watch hundreds. And some articles have hundreds of watchers. As mentioned above, unless protected, relatively new editors can edit those articles, but may see that their edits were reverted for cause - most often lack of including a reference or invalid reference. David notMD (talk) 14:27, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

I could agree on that, but for lack of reference? That interesting to see this. (Magnent)”Harold” (talk) 18:40, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

How do you keep your watchlist so low? I think after a couple months on Wikipedia, my own watchlist was already well above 30. I have over 2000 articles on my watchlist and it's a constant struggle to keep it from growing without bound. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:15, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

While editing, I don’t usually turn on the watchlist after publishing. (Magnent)”Harold” (talk) 20:33, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Anachronist You can also edit your Watch list to remove articles. David notMD (talk) 18:19, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

A question I would like to ask

Let's say you are new on Wikipedia,then you want to start your own page in your own language,then you start to have some doubts about the language you chose because not everyone knows your language for example myself my language is Sepedi since I live in South Africa so not everyone knows my language

My question says: if you consider the factor could it lead you into no longer creating a page on Wikipedia? Lou tshimo (talk) 00:50, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes it could, Lou tshimo. But it could also lead me into putting more effort into creating pages in that language. I read that Sesotho sa Leboa has close to five million native speakers. That's a lot. The number of native speakers of Estonian is less than one third the number of native speakers of Sesotho sa Leboa. One can't evaluate an encyclopedia by comparing what's written (or isn't written) on a tiny number of subjects; but all the same, let's take a look.

• Sesotho sa Leboa (in Sesotho sa Leboa)
• Sesotho sa Leboa (in Estonian)
• [no article about Estonian in Sesotho sa Leboa]
• Estonian (in Estonian)

It seems to me that nso:Wikipedia needs some help. -- Hoary (talk) 08:42, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Question About A Submission

Hey All - I asked 4-5 weeks ago about a submissions "Thomas Haugh" he's a basketball player at the U of Florida. In my initial page, I did not indicate "Thomas Haugh (Basketball)" was hoping somebody could help edit. He's been on a tear during March Madness. Working to prove he's notable! Thanks!

- Grassroots Talk 101 GrassrootHoops101 (talk) 02:15, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Thomas Haugh is currently awaiting review. This may take three months or more. If the title needs changing the reviewing editor will take care of that. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:27, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @GrassrootHoops101, having a parentheses after a name is only necessary when there are two people with the same name, and we need to have a disambiguator. For example there are more than two people called Joe Johnson who have Wikipedia articles called Joe Johnson, so we need to disambiguate them as Joe Johnson (basketball) and Joe Johnson (baseball). However since there is no other article yet called Thomas Haugh, the current title will be fine, should your draft be accepted. Good luck with your draft! Yeshivish613 (talk) 11:39, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! Any chance deleting the page, and re uploading it will streamline it at all? GrassrootHoops101 (talk) 11:53, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@GrassrootHoops101, it is never necessary to delete and recreate articles, they can simply be moved to change the name. However as I said your draft is best at the current name, and as said above you should wait until it is reviewed and if it is accepted you can worry about the name. Yeshivish613 (talk) 12:01, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@GrassrootHoops101Your historical edits seem to be advertising for these basketball players. Do you have a personal interest, or are you being paid to promote them? Just Al (talk) 19:29, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

This user's edits before creating this draft appears to just be adding basic information, like statistics. I really see nothing about their edits that indicates advertising. Suggesting another editor might be making undisclosed paid contributions without evidence is not very nice... Perhaps they just really like basketball. MediaKyle (talk) 23:45, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

No advertising, just a person connected to North East Grassroots hoops! GrassrootHoops101 (talk) 12:15, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

• @GrassrootHoops101: I accepted the submission. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:57, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

  Appreciate the accepted review! Any chance to get Thomas Haugh (Basketball) as the title? If not no issue, thanks again GrassrootHoops101 (talk) 12:15, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

  As was explained to you above, we only add disambiguators like (Basketball) to differentiate between two articles with the same name. Because Wikipedia only has a single article on Thomas Haugh, no disambiguation is needed. Madam Fatal (talk) 15:24, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

  See the disambiguation policy. But if you're interested you can add a short description to the article saying e.g. "Basketball player". Mrfoogles (talk) 20:13, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Name

Can I change my Wikipedia name? Vestrix (talk) 04:11, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, see Wikipedia:Changing username. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 04:35, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Pls review Wikipedia:Changing username Moxy🍁 04:35, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

How to cite.

Hi people, how can I cite information from pages? I need assistance on citing articles. SegmentYork390 (talk) 06:19, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @SegmentYork390, do you mean how do you add a citation/reference to article? Is this what you are looking for? Knitsey (talk) 06:23, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, that is my question. SegmentYork390 (talk) 06:59, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

This might be helpful. Knitsey (talk) 07:05, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Also, Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources whilst not exhaustive, can help when choosing a source. Knitsey (talk) 07:08, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@Knitsey, I usually start with WP:REFVISUAL (or WP:REFBEGIN for any newbies who prefer the source editor). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 10:10, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

For this, which format? Newspaper, journal, or a basically website? SegmentYork390 (talk) 18:43, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

i believe it depends on what youre citing, from my experience. the info you insert for a website article and a scientific journal vary a bit from eachother. ogusokumushi^{( ୧ ‧₊˚ 🎐 ⋅ )} 15:26, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes, are they reliable sources? SegmentYork390 (talk) 17:08, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Kushwaha community of nepal

please check my article ( kuswaha community of nepal) and please tell me if i have to do anything changes but fast review Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 07:13, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

What can it be? SegmentYork390 (talk) 07:40, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

They always decline my article please tell me how can i make it acceptable Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 07:50, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

We cannot guarantee a speedy, successful review. What's your hurry? 331dot (talk) 08:03, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

I have checked the reason that why your article doesn't accepted and I found that the topic on which you are creating a article, already existed in Wikipedia as Kushwaha. The same reason is also given by the new page reviewer. Try creating a article on any other notable topic. Please check WP:AFC to avoid mistakes, and to qualify your draft as article. Thank you. ⚡ VortexPhantom ⚡ (talk) 08:03, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

but sir in kushwaha there is nothing listed clearly about kushwaha community of Nepal i want to add details about kushwaha community of Nepal but that page is locked so sir i m creating new page kushwaha community of Nepal and you guys are decling it it is for the kushwaha community of Nepal . Same there is yadavs page but some one yadav of Nepal page is existing but why not of kushwaha Kushwaha are also a legal citizens of nepal . please understand sir Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 08:07, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Again, what's your hurry? And why have you not done as suggested and first expand the existing article? It can always be split off later if needed. 331dot (talk) 08:16, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

I understand your concern, but keep a thing in mind that separate pages cannot be made for Kushwaha in both Nepal and India regions, consider editing in the existing page of you want to add content about Kushwaha in Nepal. If, the page is protected consider visiting Wikipedia:Requests for page protection for reducing page protection or request edit in protected pages. Thank you and happy editing. ⚡ VortexPhantom ⚡ (talk) 08:17, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@VortexPhantom, note that the Kushwaha article is covered by the contentious topics rules (see the talk page) so an editor who is not extended-confirmed can only make edit requests and it's unlikely that page protection will be reduced. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 08:22, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

ClaudineChionh Not all contentious topic areas have the extended-confirmed restriction. 331dot (talk) 08:24, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Oops, fair point! — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 08:28, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

I believe that we are not anyone to decide that article protection will be reduced or remain same, it's role of adminstrator and they must handle it. ⚡ VortexPhantom ⚡ (talk) 08:28, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

check my draft now is it ok or not brother.. Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 14:36, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@Bhaskar sunsari I choose "not [to] bother." 🇵🇸🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 18:02, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Premature submit! We do not create new drafts when an article is locked. We request edits 🇵🇸🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 18:21, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

i understand sir please don't get angry with me but i an wanting to write a article about kushwaha community of Nepal so i was asking please check my darfts of kushwaha community of Nepal is ok and im extremely sorry if i have said anything wrong forgive me Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 18:26, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

We are not angry with you, but you are ignoring what we are telling you. You seem to be in a great hurry to do this. Why? 331dot (talk) 18:36, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Bhaskar sunsari, you are free to make edit requests at the foot of the talk page of the existing article. Tips: (i) Say either precisely what should be changed to precisely what, or precisely what should be added. (If you want material deleted, then say precisely what you want deleted, and why.) (ii) Provide reliable sources for the material you want included. (iii) Start with no more than three requests, and don't let the number of your open requests exceed three. (iv) There's no reason to address anyone as "sir" or "madam". -- Hoary (talk) 08:19, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Unable to check the article draft, but can you find references about the religion of India? SegmentYork390 (talk) 08:20, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

How can I be an admin?

So I thought that "being an admin" is when a Wiki-user has over 500 edited pages, but I don't know the admin criteria. Respond me if you got a problem! Joe bitten (talk) 09:00, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Joe bitten: WP:RIGHTS lists the access levels. The 30 days and 500 edits is the threshold for extended confirmed, which removes most of the editing restrictions. Why do you think you want to become an administrator? I'm inclined to say that anyone who comes to the teahouse asking this question isn't ready to consider requesting this role, and would do well to keep working away on Wikipedia articles and the many other tasks available to them. — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 09:08, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Joe bitten, and welcome to the Teahouse. Admin rights are granted by the community to an editor who persuades them that there is good reason for them to have those rights. Part of that is showing that they have enough experience, familiarity with Wikipedia's policies etc; another part is showing that there is something they want to do in Wikipedia which requires admin tools.

I have been an editor in Wikipedia for nearly twenty years, and have made over 26 000 edits; but I have never requested admin rights, because the things that I want to do in Wikipedia do not require them. ColinFine (talk) 10:28, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

And that's a good thing. It is difficult, once you're an administrator, to keep being a good content editor and creator, because there is no end of tasks for administrators to do. The role is jokingly referred to as "janitor", but it's no joke, there are always messes to mop up, and they always seem urgent. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:04, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@Joe bitten What do you feel that you might do as an admin that you are not doing toda? I have no problem in your asking about the role, that is how we learn. 🇵🇸🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 18:24, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Unable to have a wiki page approved.

Hi, I have an article of a coach but it wont get submitted. I can't understand why. "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:T._Dilip " is the URL Cartonfly (talk) 11:34, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

If you want to submit it, Cartonfly, click the so-called button that's marked "Resubmit". -- Hoary (talk) 11:57, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

3 questions

1. Proposal to permanently protect all administrator instruction pages. These pages are meant to guide administrators. They must be preserved to ensue best performance of the admins. As such, any edit here, except updates and corrections, must be kept out of these articles to prevent disruption, in other words, there's no legitmate reason to edit these pages, except in limited circumstances. When I wrote the message, the only articles were protected by my question was Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism/instructions, and Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism/Administrator instructions 2. Myth: Users that have customized signatures are desysopped administrators. Any truth? (I'm not a very smart person.) 3. How I do vote for deletion? (regular/speedy/proposed) CreatorTheWikipedian2009 (talk) 12:10, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

1. Pages are not protected proactively. 2. Some users with custom signatures are admins, some are former admins, most have never been admins. 3. Deletion processes are described here. Deletion discussions are not votes. --bonadea contributions talk 18:48, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @CreatorTheWikipedian2009, and welcome to the Teahouse.

I don't recommend asking several independent questions in one post, as you'll often find that some of them get missed.

However:

1. . We don't normally protect pages pre-emptively; but you are welcome to present your proposal at WP:VPR.
2. . I have never heard such a preposterous myth. Personally, I've never felt the slightest urge to customise my signature, and don't really understand why people want to; but if you search the archives of this page, you'll find plenty of newbies asking how to do so.
3. . You'll find all about the different deletion procedures at Deletion policy.

ColinFine (talk) 18:48, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

How do I propose something? Also, one more question, how I can get tools, that automatically help me with editing? CreatorTheWikipedian2009 (talk) 20:39, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

CreatorTheWikipedian2009, what specifically are you trying to propose? And what kind of editing help are you wanting a tool for? There are a number of ways to accomplish both depending on your specific objective. Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 20:45, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Editing without risking. Finding something bad to correct, etc. CreatorTheWikipedian2009 (talk) 11:49, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

CreatorTheWikipedian2009, your Homepage should have some suggestions of articles to edit, and the options in the 'Fact-Checking' section at the Task Center are a great way to contribute. There's also de-orphaning articles – make sure to read that page first, and I would stay away from adding links to "See also" sections for now, but that's one of my favorite easy ways to contribute to Wikipedia and I'd be happy to give you more information about it on your talk page if you like. There's all sorts of things you can do that don't even require extra tools! Is there anything specifically that you're interested in? Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 16:12, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer! My suggestions will keep me from being blocked! CreatorTheWikipedian2009 (talk) 16:30, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

CreatorTheWikipedian2009, if you're thinking of proposing some change to page protection policy or criteria, please first reread the responses to your threads "About minimal amount of bad editing for protection" and "Arbitration Committee protection help", and also the friendly suggestion that BusterD made to you; and consider the possibility that you're keen to "flog a dead horse". My second amiable suggestion is that you make a few dozen substantive, reliably sourced improvements to Wikipedia articles. -- Hoary (talk) 21:56, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Display of images on Psoriatic arthritis

Hello, please could someone look at the above article, in the section "Imaging" and improve the way the images are displayed? I think it would be better not to have some as side align and others as centered gallery. Thank you, Moribundum (talk) 13:20, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@Moribundum Part of the problem seems to be that the images have lengthy captions and I agree that the results are poor. That article has 148 page watchers, so I'm surprised that no-one has tackled this before. Perhaps you should make a proposal on the talk page or just be bold and change the layout as you think is best. WP:CAPTION has some advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:37, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

My User Page

Hello community. I have find out that this place can help me. My user page is in assending descending order mean its disruptive and hard to understand. Please anyone can help me in arrangements of my user page user boxes and sections. Thank you Tuifjhf (talk) 13:21, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@Tuifjhf Welcome to the Teahouse. I've made some changes, which you can see here. The main trick is to use the templates {{Userboxtop}} and {{Userboxbottom}} to tidy things up. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:29, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. You made the Layout amazing. Can you please make more stylish and add more userboxes to my user page. Tuifjhf (talk) 13:33, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Also can you please add more items to my user page as other accounts user pages have like Infobox and recent changes section etc. Tuifjhf (talk) 13:37, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

The usual way to improve userpages is to look at some of the existing userboxes at WP:UBX/GALLERY. You need to choose your own: other people won't know what are relevant to you. Also, if you see somthing on another editor's page that you want to transfer to your own userpage, you can copy the source code. There's a tutorial at this help page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:46, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured topics/Almirante Latorre-class battleship

Wikipedia:Featured topics/Almirante Latorre-class battleship has all featured articles but it doesn’t show the symbol. How do you add the symbol showing if it has all the featured articles Thelifeofan413 (talk) 15:38, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured topics/Almirante Latorre-class battleship is a page in the Wikipedia name space and that page itself wouldn't be a featured article. That page just contains links to other featured articles, which do have the featured article symbol. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:58, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

I understand. Thelifeofan413 (talk) 19:22, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

talk page merge notice is wrong?

Talk:Pale_Moon has a notice at the top that another article was deleted and merged into it, with the link being set as a redirect, but this doesn't seem true (the link that the notice claims to be a redirect just links to an existing article)
should i delete this notice from the talk page? Wojtekpolska1013 (talk) 16:36, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Basilisk was merged into Pale Moon in 2021, but then in April 2024 the article was completely rewritten from scratch. Yes, you can remove the merge notice. That discussion is already linked from Talk:Basilisk (web browser). ~Anachronist (talk) 18:54, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@Wojtekpolska1013: The merge notice is part of the attribution for the merged content in [5]. I have modified the message.[6] PrimeHunter (talk) 19:11, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you both, I still find it a bit hard to work with the templates sometimes :) Wojtekpolska1013 (talk) 08:01, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

new page

How do I create a new page? I'm a registered user, but new. Jenna1993 (talk) 16:41, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, Jenna1993. We highly recommend that newer users do not dive right in to the very difficult task of creating a new article; imagine asking "how do I build a house" without knowing anything about land acquisition, permitting, obtaining supplies and labor, construction techniques, landscaping, etc. A lot goes into it. The same is with creating a new article. It's best to first learn more about Wikipedia by editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. Using the new user tutorial is a good idea too. These things will greatly increase your chances for successfully creating a new article.

However, if you still want to try it now, please first read Your First Article, and use the Article Wizard to create and submit a draft]]. 331dot (talk) 18:07, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

The most important thing is to make sure the articles has 3 reliable and scrupulously independent, non-self-published sources, each writing a paragraph at least on the topic. That's what will get it through the notability criteria. Other than that, make sure each sentence is cited, and attribute any praise or criticism to the critic. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:00, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

TEA PARTY!!!!

—Mint Keyphase (Did I mess up? What have I done?) 04:56, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Maybe a technology tea party with upgrades? •TechScience2044 (|send me a note|) 07:46, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Here you go! —Mint Keyphase (Did I mess up? What have I done?) 08:40, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Are you passionate about technology? Check this out, I'm also interested, I'm currently studying programming. Do you need help? Thanks. (V12U253 (talk) 08:59, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I am passionate about technology and I have an interest in Industrial Revolution. •TechScience2044 (|send me a note|) 19:34, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

A Boston Tea Party? This sounds good. - ParticularEvent318 home (speak!). 16:33, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

No, it's not.(V12U253 (talk) 16:34, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

i do love tea Gonna eatpizza (talk) 17:22, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I also love tea, it is a great blessing, but the same people do not appreciate this blessing, they are mistaken, it is necessary to appreciate it, for me this blessing is highly appreciated, because I like it very much. (V12U253 (talk) 17:37, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Sounds like a cool tea to me. CoolWeb092 (talk). 16:52, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

What do you mean? Can you explain? Or is it a joke? (V12U253 (talk) 16:55, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Its only a joke. CoolWeb092 (talk). 17:22, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I understand you, what are you doing now? (V12U253 (talk) 17:28, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

I’m doing nothing else, and that is it. CoolWeb092 (talk). 18:36, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Its only April fools. CoolWeb092 (talk). 18:36, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I understand. So am I.(V12U253 (talk) 18:39, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Let’s make the tea British anyway. But tea originated from China. TopDisky5835 (in records) 18:08, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes, you are right, the first tea was discovered by the Chinese, the homeland of tea is this country. (V12U253 (talk) 18:14, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Enjoy Asian tea? TopDisky5835 (in records) 18:19, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes, of course, I am from the Republic of Uzbekistan, we appreciate tea very much! What about you? (V12U253 (talk) 18:27, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Me too, tea is a lifestyle. TopDisky5835 (in records) 18:29, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes, you also have developed traditional values, especially tea is a wonderful gift? Thanks. (V12U253 (talk) 18:32, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Apologies for late reply, but I developed traditional values of mine. TopDisky5835 (in records) 19:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

china copied us Gonna eatpizza (talk) 18:49, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

How did it copied us? TopDisky5835 (in records) 19:58, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Tea from Boston is really good, especially it is produced. (Magnent)”Harold” (talk) 20:25, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

NYC has the best tea in the world, since it was imported from Holland. SegmentYork390 (talk) 07:32, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Also April fools are over now. SegmentYork390 (talk) 07:32, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Notes

Hello,

Do let me know if this has been asked before, but how do I add notes? specifically in templates but generally as well, I am not sure how to do it. TheMagicalCraftyLion (talk) 10:57, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @TheMagicalCraftyLion, and welcome to the Teahouse. "Notes" could mean several different things - does WP:Notes answer your question? If not, please come back and explain more precisely what you want. ColinFine (talk) 11:14, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I am not sure if it does but here's what I mean as an example: Wikipedia:Citing sources#Notes, that is sort of what I want to do, and write say in note one of a page: "It is unknown exactly when X player left X club, but can be assumed in or before X year". and then if there is a reference I would say "see reference 2" or something like that. Or another saying "Distributed by X entertainment" like in this page- Still Life 2#Notes

those sort of citations. The page you show me does give some sort of answer but not fully.

Sorry if you still don't understand TheMagicalCraftyLion (talk) 11:28, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

@TheMagicalCraftyLion what you want are called "explanatory footnotes" and are added using the template {{efn}}: that link gives details. Standard references (sometimes, confusingly called "footnotes") go at the end of articles using the template {{reflist}} but explanatory footnotes need the extra template {{notelist}} to be placed where you want the explanatory notes to be placed. You can see the result in some articles like Joe Biden, which has both notes and references. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:16, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

that makes a lot of sense, thank you. Will take a deeper look when I can. TheMagicalCraftyLion (talk) 13:19, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

another thing, how do I go about adding the explanatory footnotes, I have looked at those links of the templates, but don't understand fully about adding them. So if I was to put one of them into a page, what happens? TheMagicalCraftyLion (talk) 13:51, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Anytime you're not sure how something editing-related works on Wikipedia, you can try it out in your sandbox to see what happens without affecting any articles. Here's a guide to the sandbox that you may find helpful. -- Avocado (talk) 14:00, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you so much Avocado, definitely will play around. TheMagicalCraftyLion (talk) 14:01, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

User:TheMagicalCraftyLion/sandbox

Tried adding a note but it does appear even though when I go into the edit I can see them, and when I would go to the citation tab the note kept duplicating but it wasn't actually duplicating, sorry if this makes no sense but I am still quite confused TheMagicalCraftyLion (talk) 12:34, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

So another tip is that if you see something on a page that you want to copy but you're not sure how, you can click "edit" on the page or section to see how it was accomplished. (You may need to choose "source editor" from the dropdown in the top right of the editing toolbar to see the difference.) That's what I just did to figure out how the list of notes is displayed in WP:Citing sources#Notes (I haven't used them before, either). Then I compared it to the source in your sandbox. Try doing the same and see if you can spot the difference; and if you get stuck, let us know. -- Avocado (talk) 12:59, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Got it! Needed to add:

"{{ notelist }}"

Spaced it out so it didn't convert the wikitext.

And thanks for the tip! TheMagicalCraftyLion (talk) 13:04, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Hurrah! -- Avocado (talk) 13:11, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Oh, btw, you may find Template:tlg and Template:tlc useful for discussing templates, too. -- Avocado (talk) 13:18, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Will have a look thank you! TheMagicalCraftyLion (talk) 13:19, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

it still disappears, I tried changing using note tag, when I add the notes list it shows a reference group. TheMagicalCraftyLion (talk) 13:11, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

okay. no using note tag with {{ note list }} just makes the notes disappear, explanatory footnotes with notelist the way to go TheMagicalCraftyLion (talk) 13:14, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Permission sent from photographer to me -- can I upload the pic?

After attempts through the last couple months, I finally got permission to utilize a photo for this article I've been developing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Raymond_(publisher)

Stewart Brand, the creator of the image (in 1963), has sent the photo to me by email, and he expressed his permission to use it in the article. I can forward the email, if that can support the process.

I'll be very grateful for info preparing me to proceed. This will be my first time attempting an image upload.Joel Russ (talk) 22:23, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello Joel Russ, thank you very much for creating the article and requesting a picture for it. Usually, with exceptions described at WP:NFCC, permission for use in an article only wouldn't be sufficient. Please have a look at commons:Commons:Volunteer_Response_Team#If_you_are_NOT_the_copyright_holder for detials about licensing and the verification process. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 23:08, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, ToBeFree, for your prompt reply. I'll quote from Stewart Brand's email:

"Here you go. Shot by me at Dick Raymond’s home in January 1963.

Free to use every which way. WikiMedia, Creative Commons, etc."

Likely to pass muster? (I can forward the email as proof.)Joel Russ (talk) 23:26, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Forwarding such an e-mail wasn't accepted for the piano video on my user page; I had to ask the creator to send an e-mail to the VRT address themselves. The instructions on the linked Wikimedia Commons page are good. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:44, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Joel Russ, such a vague email statement is not enough. Brand must explicitly freely release the image using the precise legal language of an acceptable Creative Commons license or equivalent. Here, for example, is the text of the CC BY-SA 4.0 license, most commonly used for images these days. This is a legal transaction that must be done correctly. Cullen328 (talk) 01:54, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Basically, the photographer has to fill out a form and email it to a specific wikimedia address, for legal certainty (Wikipedia doesn't want to get sued). Mrfoogles (talk) 06:03, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

See WP:Donating copyrighted materials; that outlines the process. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 06:05, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

A question for the Teahouse

Is grammar required when you're talking to Wikipedians or writing in your userpage or talk page? Editz2341231 (talk) 22:29, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Editz2341231. You should obviously be understandable enough that ppl know what you're saying, but professional grammar like that of a high-quality article isn't needed. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 22:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

okay, so it's more of a preference or personal choice then? Editz2341231 (talk) 22:49, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Sure. Always remember though: be understandable. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 22:58, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

To be taken seriously and educated I would say yes..... but as someone who uses speech to text software on talk pages...having to do with having mobility issues, I frequently post things that are all out of whack because of autocorrect etc. Generally my point still gets across despite my grammatical, tents* wrong plurality spelling. Moxy🍁 22:50, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Yeah me too, sometimes autocorrect does the wrong thing and...it autocorrects something that I don't want autocorrected. Editz2341231 (talk) 18:54, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Editz2341231, it's a project for building an encyclopedia after all, not an internet gaming forum. Imagining the people you interact with as colleagues at a workplace may help. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 23:10, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

@Editz2341231: Welcome to the Teahouse. Required? No. It is rather important that other editors are able to understand you, so it should be clear enough that others don't need to spend more time than should be needed to parse what you're trying to say. It also helps convey a sense of professionalism and makes people more likely to take you seriously. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:38, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

I'd take a contrary position here and suggest that it is, in fact, a de-facto requirement here. We require edits to serve an encyclopedic purpose; we require editors to conduct themselves in a way that is not disruptive to the working order of this project. Intentionally choosing not to use proper grammar just because you're talking to another Wikipedian indicates a lack of respect for one's peers and seems like disruption for the purpose of making a point. We'd be better off not steering impressionable new editors in the wrong direction. There's a very significant difference between saying "we have a tolerance for mistakes as long as you're trying to participate here in good faith" vs. saying "Nah, basic rules of communication are optional, go hog wild as long as someone can understand you" which.... isn't helpful to our project and frankly is only going to attract the wrong types of editors. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 23:51, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Editz2341231, grammar is always required. If some annoyed person tells me "Lake a jump in go!", then he (I always think of such people as male) will just make a fool of himself; by contrast, "Go jump in a lake!" is fully grammatical. Some self-styled "language expert" may object, saying that whereas "Go and jump in a lake!" or "To go jumping into lakes can be fun" are both grammatical, simply concatenating verbs such as go and jump isn't, because you can't say for example *"Travel jump in a lake!". If the "language expert" were to say this, he (ditto) would thereby demonstrate his (deliberate?) ignorance of English grammar. So yes you require grammar (as everyone does, all the time); but no you don't have to fret over silly "rules" of grammar invented by the deluded. Incidentally, the (sparse) content of your user page was grammatically impeccable when I viewed it a few minutes ago. -- Hoary (talk) 01:29, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

So is grammar required or not required? I'm confused because another Wikipedian on this thread said that it wasn't. I've read other peoples comments and it seems like grammar is highly recommended so that users on this site can understand. I don't see why they should make grammar a rule here, but to an extent. I'm sure users are going to make grammatical errors on their messages like missing commas, missing periods, wrong nouns and such. Editz2341231 (talk) 18:53, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Think of it this way - grammar doesn't have to be English Teacher Perfect, but you will communicate better if you use complete sentences as opposed to "hey d00dz how mk artikl that dont suk?" Madam Fatal (talk) 19:46, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

I'll be more specific; I am not aware of any specific policy that forbids the use of substandard English (that would be problematic for editors whose use of the English language isn't... great), but Wikipedia is a collaborative project, and if an editor's comments are incomprehensible due to improper grammar, it's going to be a rough time for all. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:17, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Editz2341231, as I understand the word "grammar", grammar is always required. But it's clear that I have utterly failed to get across what I wanted to say, and I have no reason to think that merely repeating myself will have any effect other than boring both of us. I don't know what you mean by "grammar". Please don't attempt to explain it; instead, point to where the disagreement has taken, or is taking, place; you can then get comments on that. -- Hoary (talk) 23:01, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

I'll clarify what I meant here. I interpreted your question as "do I have to have perfect grammar?" You should have grammar in what you say, always, but being an absolute Grammar Nazi for yourself as if you're trying to get an A++++ grade and getting into Harvard isn't necessary. At least, that's how I always thought of it. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 23:11, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

I NEED HELP

Hello, I am a new user and I do not know what the process is for such a situation, but the article for Hannam University appears to be being edited largely unsourced and with a conflict of interest. This article looks like one that could be nominated for deletion but even if not it needs some attention and like I said I'm not sure on the exact process so I'm reaching out for help here. Please keep me updated Bastubunny (talk) 23:56, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

specifically the hannam university on the global path section, information is being added without verifiability by a user called Hnueng1. I just need an experienced editor to determine what direction this needs to be taken Bastubunny (talk) 23:59, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

@Hi [User:Bastubunny|Bastubunny]] I've tagged the article for speedy deletion as blatant promotion (CSD G11). There may also be copyright issues. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:10, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

thank you very much :D Bastubunny (talk) 00:14, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

@Bastubunny Check out WP:TWINKLE. It's a great tool and makes tagging pages and a bunch of other stuff a lot easier in case you need to nominate a page for deletion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:16, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem @Bastubunny It appears that @Voorts declined this speedy deletion nomination. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 00:25, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure if the article meets the criteria for speedy deletion but it definitely needs major attention in its current state. Bastubunny (talk) 00:26, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

I am in the process of stubifying the article, which resolves the promotional issue. voorts (talk/contributions) 00:27, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

awesome thanks voorts, you could consider just reverting the article to before hnueng1 started adding promotional material as it was stubbed then and I think worked fine Bastubunny (talk) 00:28, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

@Voorts Just a small question, if it wasn't me who added a speedy deletion tag, am supposed to still warn the editor? @Ad Orientem added the tag, I'm just wondering if this (link) was the right thing to do. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 00:31, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

why would you need to warn ad orientem about having added a speedy deletion tag to the article? the user thought it was the right thing to do and it has been reverted and explained why it wasnt Bastubunny (talk) 00:34, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

ohhh warning the user making the promotional edits my bad ignore my previous message Bastubunny (talk) 00:35, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

@Voorts (& etc.) No problem. Good luck with the article rescue. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:14, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Notifying a major contributor is generally good practice. voorts (talk/contributions) 00:35, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

"the article for Hannam University appears to be being edited largely unsourced and with a conflict of interest": Unfortunately this appears to be common for articles here about universities across Asia. (Indeed, the problem isn't limited to Asia.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:37, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Ok...COI user reverted to a version which included the G11 tag...I deleted...not having seen the stub created in the meantime. So I undeleted and reverted to stub-version. Sorry about that, it's still early morning. Lectonar (talk) 06:44, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Let's see if the question I posted on Talk:Hannam University gets a response. -- Hoary (talk) 03:53, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

I added a talkback message to that editor Justjourney (talk | contribs) 03:59, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Moderation-process halted

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Teahouse § Moderation-process halted

 – —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:51, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaldoun_Sweis

I am editing this page, and I felt very confident about what I produced.

The page was cut in half, basically.

Dr. Sweis is a notable academic, and I don´t believe the error messages at present are fair.

There was an issue with "in-line links", which I fixed, and I think that ultimately opened the gates of hell, so to speak, because it branded me as some nobody, or, what should I say?

At any rate, the process has been halted, so I´m reaching out to get in touch with someone who is in the domain of notable academics.

Hope to hear from you Audun H. Nilsen AudunNilsenOslo (talk) 01:22, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

@AudunNilsenOslo: Welcome to the Teahouse. From what I can see, the article was very promotional (and some of it still lingers with the use of the word transformational in the lede). More independent sources might need to be used to make it sound less promotional. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:04, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

AudunNilsenOslo, I see that you've used Talk:Khaldoun Sweis. That's good: it's where you should ask. You asked Bbb23 a question there and haven't yet received a response. Wait a few days and if there's still no response then ask again, this time both (i) linking to Bbb23 and (ii) signing your message -- just as I am both linking to you and signing when I hit "Publish changes" for this message. (Incidentally, I'm puzzled by the way the article currently says its subject is a professor but fails to specify the institution.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:10, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello, AudunNilsenOslo. You say that Sweis is notable but the article fails to make that case. I read the current version and I read the March 28 version which contained vast swathes of unreferenced content, which is a violation of the core content policy Verifiability. An acceptable Wikipedia article summarizes the significant coverage that reliable sources entirely independent of the topic (Sweis in this case) have devoted to the topic. I do not see any references that are independent of Sweis. The lead section of the article makes the overtly promotional claim His work centers on 'The Phoenix Effect,' a transformational coaching method that integrates philosophy, psychology, theology, mythology, and cognitive-behavioral therapy and astonishingly, that extraordinary claim is referenced to his own website that peddles his own coaching services. We have a special notability guideline for academics but there is no evidence in the article that Sweis complies with that guideline. In its March 28 form and in its current form, this article is a very long way from complying with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Cullen328 (talk) 02:34, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

AudunNilsenOslo, I see from your userpage that you are being paid to edit this article. Why would you accept a paying job when you clearly know nothing about writing Wikipedia articles properly? Isn't it incongrous for you to expect unpaid volunteers here at the Teahouse to assist you in earning money? Cullen328 (talk) 02:46, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

For a living person, references are required at the same time content is added. You added a lot of content that may be correct but it was deleted because it lacked references. See WP:42 for guidance on refs. David notMD (talk) 10:39, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

I see. Thanks. AudunNilsenOslo (talk) 09:44, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

This does not appear to be the first COI account to be involved with editing this subject. Not to say that COI means "bad editor", and I'm glad that AudunNilsenOslo appears to be trying to do the right thing regarding it, but there may indeed be a deeper and pre-existing problem here. DMacks (talk) 13:48, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

It´s "just" a three degrees professor who is doing coaching.. Nothing mysterious there, however unusual. AudunNilsenOslo (talk) 09:46, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Second chance for a draft that I can't resubmit

Hello! I recently made a draft about Adolf Hitler Uunona but it got rejected and I can't resubmit it back. With the reason being it's not notable enough per WP:NSUSTAINED since he's only notable for his name. With the evidence being these two discussions: this but it didn't have consensus, and this being the follow up for that. But that discussion too acknowledged that this is a very borderline case. So I want a second chance on this since it seems like the new article reviewer just saw the name being something having consensus to not have enough for wikipedia's standards and declined the submission. But I think I have added enough?i'm not adamant on putting this in the article-space, just want someone to give it a second chance. There's 18 citations (though it gives me a warning that I'm using a deprecated source, I don't have time to fish it out) and it doesn't give undue weight on just his name but his political career. Isn't just the simple English wikipedia's version copied but adds more information in a neutral tone than that. I think there's some hope for it. If I'm completely wrong about this, just let me know and I'll fully abandon it. Thanks! Yelps (: critique me 14:34, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Unfortunately there's not much hope here -- this discussion concluded in the article being deleted. You created (I assume probably not knowing) the article again, but it's prohibited to recreate articles that have been deleted per consensus, so it was rejected. The only thing I think you can do now if you want to be able to write an article on him is to go to deletion review, but that's only permitted if substantial new information is available that wasn't available during the deletion discussion, or if the person who closed the discussion misinterpreted consensus. Mrfoogles (talk) 20:02, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

it's prohibited to recreate articles that have been deleted per consensus This is not generally true. WP:DRVPURPOSE says In general you don't need anyone's permission to recreate a deleted page, and if your new version does not qualify for deletion then it will not be deleted.

If an article is recreated in a state which is substantially identical to the deleted version it may be speedy-deleted (WP:G4), and if the issues which resulted in it being deleted at AfD the first time still apply it is likely to be deleted again, but there is no prohibition on creating an article where one has previously been deleted if you believe in good faith that the reasons for the previous deletion do not apply. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 12:09, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

The sourcing looks fine to me, but it seems like a discussion concluded that the person wasn't suitable for an article, so it'll be difficult to get there to be an article without starting another discussion in the appropriate place, is basically the concept. Mrfoogles (talk) 20:03, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Making my page searchable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Jump

How can the wikipedia page about me become searchable? It is over 90 days old. Fadingad (talk) 19:13, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

I think it has to get reviewed (see WP:NPP)? I'm not sure, though. Mrfoogles (talk) 19:55, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

@Fadingad, articles become indexed and searchable on Google once it is edited after it has been marked as reviewed or 90 days has passed without it being reviewed. Your article now shows up on Google. Yeshivish613 (talk) 20:13, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Schiele Museum of Natural History

Hi folks! Although I've been on Wikipedia for a while, I've only recently made my first article, the Schiele Museum of Natural History. I've got a couple questions about the process, though.

1. How would I add this to WikiProject Museums? Will it add itself?
2. Does it meet WP:GNG? Do I need better sources? I understand some of them may be a little promotional, but I've tried to keep an NPOV. Some sections of the article may also need expanding.
3. What about pictures? I found one picture under CC-0 on another article that happened to be of a fossil from the museum, and another I took myself. Are these relevant enough to be put in the article, or should it be replaced with a picture of, say, the front of the building?

Answers to these question would be appreciated, and I'd also appreciate any edits! RidgelantRL (talk) 22:15, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

@RidgelantRL, I can answer one of your questions. The article will not add itself to the WikiProject. Normally the tags would be added when submitting a draft with AfC. I have added it for you, it can be added with {{WikiProject Museums}}. Happy Editing, CF-501 Falcon (talk · contribs) 23:17, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you!

RidgelantRL (talk) 01:06, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

As for #3, absolutely no problem with putting whatever images you can find on the article. Wikipedia is generally starved for images, what with the CC licensing requirements, and any at all are pretty good.

As for #2 -- the city is borderline as to independence, what with partially funding the museum. SHARE is written by it. VisitNC is unfortunately a travel guide, mostly not considered reliable. Mysteriously the ABC13 segment is sponsored, but by an unrelated company???????? So I suppose it's independent coverage. The WBTV segment looks good.

So basically, 1 clear reliable & scrupulously independent source. Probably could use another but not in dire straits by any means. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:26, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, that's kinda what I was worried about. You think you could find some more reliable sources? I found two about more recent events in the Gaston Gazzette.[7][8]

RidgelantRL (talk) 16:34, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Edit I made automatically reverted?

Resolved

 – Sparkle and Fade (talk • contributions) 23:58, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi! Recently I made a small edit to the R.E.M. article. I noticed that the history section of the article listed some former names used by the band that I didn't recognize. When I checked the citation for this particular information, I found that the article it was referencing listed completely different names. I also couldn't find a source for the names currently listed that didn't link back to the article itself. It seems the article was edited sometime back in November to list different (unsourced) names for unknown reasons. I made an edit changing the names to be more accurate to the provided source article, but for whatever reason, I pretty much instantaneously got a message that my edit was reverted for "not appearing constructive" -- despite the fact that I was reverting vandalism myself?

I apologize if this is the wrong place to ask this, I am just a little confused about what I did wrong here. Shoverly (talk) 22:27, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Twistedmath: courtesy ping. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 22:47, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

I think it was simple carelessness of the reverter's part. Your changes seem to be backed up by the cited source and your edit summary was descriptive and convincing. Perhaps Twistedmath can explain their decision. Ca ^{talk to me!} 22:47, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

My decision was wrong, (and simple carelessness) and I take credit for that. I was notified by a non enwiki member via email about this a bit ago. (Koavf)

I think I was viewing the edit as a euphemism but, failed to understand the context. I take responsibility for this so, please trout slap me for this ( here)

My dearest apologizes @Shoverly, and happy editing! twisted. (user | talk | contribs) 22:57, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

All good! Totally understandable and I appreciate it. Shoverly (talk) 23:14, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

How to source content?

How do you source content on Wikipedia? I want to understand what tips and how to do a good job Scrimbler (talk) 00:01, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Scrimbler. You should see Help:Referencing for beginners, Wikipedia:Verifiability, and Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Those should cover everything you need to know about sourcing. Good luck! Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 00:21, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

If you're wondering how to put sources in inline citations, you can put your sources in between 'ref tags', like this:
<ref>[[Anonymous|Nonymous, A]] (3 April 2025) [https://www.example.com "Example Title"]. ''[[Foo|The Foo Times]]''. Retrieved 4 April 2025.</ref>
Note that while you can pick any citation method you like, it is considered best practice to use one of the citation templates (for example [[Template:Citation], the catch-all, and Template:Cite web for websites). WP:Parenthetical referencing is also deprecated.
Which will render as this:

If you're wondering how to find sources and use them on Wikipedia, see the links Tarlby provided for more info, particularly Verifiability and Reliable sources.

I see that you recently made a contribution to Valley Center, California which was unsourced, and got reverted. However, you took the initiative to discuss with the reverting editor about what the issue with your edit was, and I'd like to thank you for doing so. Though some users seem to find your edits suspicious, I think it's great you're learning Wikipedia's practices quickly and are still going out of your way to learn best practices here. I hope you enjoy your time on Wikipedia. If you have any questions, please let me know. Thanks! —Sparkle and Fade (talk • contributions) 03:28, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

References

Question about what should be added to certain articles

Hello Teahouse,

I'm a new user on wikipedia, and recently, I was trying to edit a page of a neighborhood close to where I live. I provided a whole paragraph worth of information with citations about a large fire that took place in that neighborhood a few years ago. After I finished my edit, another wiki editor came in and reverted my edit, saying that it was "not encyclopedic, and more current events." I was wondering, for wiki pages for locations and places, what events would justify being on their wiki page, and are there any other general standards for location wiki pages (which is what I will most likely edit the most)? SassafrassAlabass (talk) 03:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

(Courtesy link to revision 1283604843 of Santa Teresa, San Jose) I think the event would have to have some kind of longstanding effect on the place, and the article text would need to cite a source that explains the event's significance. Perhaps some Teahouse host can chime in with some guide for location articles broadly; until then, you can—when needed—consult the pages linked under Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities#Article guidelines and conventions. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:58, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Oh, ok, thank you for the clarification. SassafrassAlabass (talk) 04:21, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello SassafrassAlabass. Was this about the editing you did on Santa Teresa, San Jose? If so, your writing and reference citations seem to have been done correctly (I just skimmed over your addition) but I suspect the editor who removed your work felt that over the years cities have numerous fires, and the loss of some buildings was not notable enough to be in an article about Santa Teresa. Even a book would not be long enough to tell of everything about a city. I know that it takes a lot of time and effort to properly research information, and its upsetting when your effort is removed, but it may help to think of your work as good practice for future editing.

The only advice I can give is to look at numerous Wikipedia articles to get a feel for what is included in acceptable articles. Thank you for becoming a registered editor. It takes a while to learn the basics of editing, but I consider it a great honor to be able to help others who are looking for information via an article I worked on. Best wishes on your future projects. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:25, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice, I will indeed check some out. Looking back, I do see how that fire could be seen as not important or not being notable enough to shape the community, and I agree with the editors revision. Also, thanks for taking the time to write this explanation for me, I will try to work on my citations and general work quality as I edit more on Wikipedia. SassafrassAlabass (talk) 04:57, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Whats the policy on sexually explicit imagery in articles of animal species?

Images showing mating, genitalia, that sort of thing. For example, duck articles sometimes mention the corkscrew penis. Would it be acceptable accompany such content with an image of it? Bloopityboop (talk) 09:09, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not censored, but images should be used in such a way as to minimize "shock" to readers; the use of an image is best discussed on the article talk page of the relevant article. 331dot (talk) 09:24, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Is there a policy saying that shock should be minimized? If so, I might mention it on the talk page of the Human feces article (for those new -- do not click unless you are prepared). I definitely think we need one. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:30, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

A diagram is sometimes more helpful, as found at Lake duck#Penis. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:57, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Using Wikidata in tables

Resolved

 – MediaKyle (talk) 17:36, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

I've struggled to figure out a usecase for Wikidata over the course of my editing here, but I think I finally came up with a reason to use it. I'm planning to turn Orders, decorations, and medals of the Canadian provinces into a "Good Topic", and as I've been working on the provincial order articles I noticed how outdated the numbers of inductees on the overview article are. Now I could just do it the easy way and update them individually on each article, but I had the idea to link the number of inductees to the Wikidata item for each award, that way I only ever have to change the Wikidata item and it updates automatically across each page that displays a number of inductees. Can this be done, and is there a guide for it somewhere? Thank you. MediaKyle (talk) 10:28, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Managed to figure it out on my own. Open to hearing some tips about more ways to use Wikidata though if anyone has any ideas. MediaKyle (talk) 17:36, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Request for feedback on Draft Article about Motion-Independent Orientation

Hi everyone, I’m working on an article in my sandbox and would really appreciate any feedback before I consider submitting it for review. The draft is here:

User:PatrickCDMM/sandbox

It’s titled Motion-Independent Orientation in Kinematic Systems and describes how objects can adpot an independent orientation regardless of their motion in 3D space — with potential applications in transportation, robotics, and engineering. I’ve tried to follow Wikipedia’s guidelines for tone, structure, and neutrality, but I’d be grateful for any comments or suggestions — particularly around clarity, notability, or anything that might need more work. Thanks for your time!

Best, Patrick PatrickCDMM (talk) 10:46, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

The draft is at User:PatrickCDMM/sandbox, and it was at User:PatrickCDMM as well. I've deleted the latter, as an improper use of a user page. As for the sandbox version, you can start by removing the header "Overview". And continue by using "sentence case" for the remaining headers: thus not "Motion-Independent Orientation" but "Motion-independent orientation". -- Hoary (talk) 10:55, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

PatrickCDMM Hello. The best way to get feedback is to submit the draft for review; if not accepted, the reviewer will leave feedback. You're essentially asking for a pre-review review, which duplicates effort. 331dot (talk) 10:57, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

I will add that Teahouse Hosts are not necessarily Reviewers. so may have a different view on your draft. David notMD (talk) 17:48, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

To be fair, AFC reviewers often just leave a template saying "references inadequate" without leaving people much an idea of what to do -- sending them here anyways. In a sense, they're just here early. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:31, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

@PatrickCDMM, it looks like a lot of work went into writing this -- the things I notice are large sections are entirely uncited, which will likely be a problem at Articles For Creation, and your section titles are really long, which although not an AFC problem goes against style convention in Wikipedia -- generally you want to keep them as short as reasonable. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:34, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

PatrickCDMM, I've a few comments. (1.) The draft has long sections with multiple subsections, containing no references. I assume that's not all your original research. You need to cite the sources you got it from. (2.) Section headers should be in sentence case, not headline case. (3.) "A cat always lands on its feet" – I think is an example of the topic, which might be worth mentioning, Maproom (talk) 06:47, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Now at Draft:Motion-Independent Orientation in Dynamic Systems. David notMD (talk) 18:04, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

On citations

For websites with photo galleries, do I have to individually cite each url?

For example, I am hoping to use this source to show the equipment used by the Guizhou provincial police, do I have to individually cite each photo's URL(This, This and this getting given different citations), or can I just site the main link? Thehistorianisaac (talk) 13:29, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Thehistorianisaac: if I understand you correctly, you're wanting to make a statement like "the provincial police uses firearm X", and support that with a picture of a police officer carrying the said weapon? That seems to me to be original research, because it relies on you looking at a photo, recognising the weapon shown, and drawing a conclusion that isn't expressly provided by the source. Moreover, for anyone to be able to verify that statement, they would need to do the same... possibly, but not necessarily, coming up with the same conclusion. I think you really need to find a written source. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:51, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

I understand, but I have came across this in other contexts, where I have to use multiple photos in a photo gallery as sources, this is just simply an example. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 13:56, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

In that case, I would say that you should cite each URL individually, rather than just the URL at the start of the image sequence. The point being, the citation should take the reader to the information that verifies the statement made, not just to its approximate vicinity. (This is assuming each image is at a separate URL, of course.) That's my take on this at any rate; someone who actually knows stuff may come along later. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:22, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Oh ok thank you Thehistorianisaac (talk) 14:23, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

I would agree that best practice is always to be as precise as possible about what you are citing: when citing a book or journal article, that is to give page numbers; in this case it is to link to the specific image which is relevant. You can never give too much information about your source.

(I'd also agree that I'd be wary about using a photograph of a police officer holding a particular weapon to cite that the police force uses that weapon; aside from original research I'd also have concerns about due weight. If a force's use of particular equipment is important, it will surely be mentioned by reliable secondary sources; if reliable sources do not mention it then how important is it for us to include on Wikipedia?) Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 15:34, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

@Thehistorianisaac, it seems to me that it is extremely rare that a photo can be cited as a source for any information. Perhaps that X met Y on at least one occasion, and - depending on what is in the photo - that they met at specific event Z. But I don't see how a photo of a particular thing happening once can ever be used as a source for a claim that that thing happened often or regularly. ColinFine (talk) 17:17, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Request for edits

Hi! I recently added my contributions to expand on the subtab, Trainee System, under Industry on the K-pop page. I would love for feedback and any edits you had to improve the section. Thank you! Taylorsydney (talk) 18:36, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Request for Edits/Help

Hello! I recently made a page for a class (Kilby Block Party (music festival)) and would love any feedback and assistance in making it better. Thank you! Erinroddy (talk) 18:41, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

An improvement possible is the next. There are so many red links.

Maybe , there are articles to a non-English language version of Wikipedia for some bands mentionned.

You can use "Wikidata" to look if it does exist entries in any non-English Wikipedia about these.

If there are one. You could create an "Interlanguage link".

After that , the reader could access to a non-English language version of Wikipedia to read an article about the band.

It could incitate editors to create articles in English about these if subjects are "notable" accorded to guideline. Anatole-berthe (talk) 20:04, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Erinroddy, parenthetical content in an article title should be used only for disambiguation, e.g. Richard Jones (director), Richard Jones (economist). I would move your article to "Kilby Block Party" as no disambiguation is needed, but it needs an admin to move a page over a redirect. Maproom (talk) 06:58, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Help with Reviewing my Article

Hi! I am writing an article for my college capstone and looking to have fellow Wikipedians review my article and suggest anything or have any edits. Thank you in advanceE Rjalloh (talk) 18:46, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

The article is tagged "multiple issues". Work on these can improve the article. Anatole-berthe (talk) 20:11, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Please see above concerning the use of parenthses in an article title. Maproom (talk) 07:01, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Review my article and give me tips

Greetings.

I am new to Wikipedia and I wrote this article. Have also disclosed as per COI policy. policy.

Draft:Matthew Lani#Social media presence

thank you Ashleyashville (talk) 19:18, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Difficulties with VisualEditor tables:

So I'm creating a table on Wikipedia and I have encountered some issues with copy-pasting parts of the table. When I try to copy the contents of one cell into another, nothing happens at all. When I select just the image - it freaks out and gives me this symbol ☢ (not the emoji, just the ASCII symbol). When I try to copy a template, it does paste but only the text, without the icons, also further editing of the cell becomes very difficult. I did not encounter those issues before. I use Firefox, and I have already disabled all of my browser extensions. I did not encounter this issue before.

It is absolutely driving me mad... Blitzkriegfree (talk) 19:53, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Sometimes when I'm copy/pasting formatted text in the visual editor I instead get ☁︎ (cloud). Also on Firefox. If there's something connecting these two problems, I'd like to know the solution. Cremastra _talk 19:57, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Copyrights applying to drawings? (Or something like that idk)

Something baffles me about the NFUA of File:German destroyer Z43.jpeg, but I cannot get my hand on what it is.

"any attempt to draw the ship would invariably have to rely upon copyrighted sources, making it a derivative work"

If I were to somehow find a public domain set of drawings of a ship, drew it up from scratch (i.e. as is the case for [9] and made said drawing free to use here despite owning the copyright to said drawing, would that be breaking any boundaries? Same if I decided to draw a ship that was preserved despite being old (i.e. the Pesse canoe) from pictures I took myself (and as such owning the copyright of these photos). And what if I decided to use photos that other people took for said drawing?

Sorry if this sounds incoherent, for I feel very tired quite easily, and I've been holding this in for a while now. e (talk) 19:59, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

The main topic here is creation of a derivative work. If something is public domain, such as a drawing or an object, anyone are free to make any sort of reproduction of if that you want, including photography, drawing, or any other type of exact or artistic creation, with no restrictions. If something is not public domain, the license might (or might not) allow to you make a derivative work of it...that's something the license-holder controls, subject to certain laws that vary widely. The derivative work might (or might not) have its own license. A public-domain copy of a public-domain thing is exactly public domain, just like the original. And if you have made an allowed derivative work, you can obviously do with it as you please, including using it to make a second-generation derivative.

The details that get confusing are what makes something public domain, what types of derivative works can have their own license even if the original is PD, and what types of derivative works are allowed even if the original is non-PD. For example, it sometimes depends on whether you are talking about 2D vs 3D, the level of creativity (vs slavish exact duplication, or how artistic vs utilitarian), and if/where the creation has been displayed or distributed. DMacks (talk) 00:16, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Seeking clarity on how to improve chances of article approval

Hi, how can we get this article approved? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lucas_Ho

We have added a range of sources already, and the initial comment that "there is significant coverage of his plays but not of his person" appears contradictory - if a person's writerly output has received significant coverage, surely that person is therefore significant in some ways? Looking for some clarity here. Thank you in advance! :) Trismegishandy (talk) 21:04, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

To be honest I think I agree in this case. Not sure how AfC can turn into a discussion of notability, which is likely what is required here -- I'd recommend just making enough edits to manually create the article yourself (4 days old & 10 edits), then pinging the reviewer to let them know they can nominate it for deletion at articles for deletion, which they probably will anyway, and then presenting your arguments there, where discussion will happen.

The reviewers argument is basically that people are talking about his page & not him, so his plays deserve an article but not him, because WP:Notability isn't about significance -- just whether enough has been written to summarize into an article. Their argument is if people only write about his plays and not him, how can there be an article on him? Personally I think an article on him serves as well to talk about his plays as a hypothetical "Plays of Lucas Ho", discussing the plays but not him, would. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:42, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

In my opinion, "too soon" applies, as there has not been enough published about him as a playwright versus content on his plays. David notMD (talk) 12:46, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

but isn't content about a person's creative output also in some ways about that person as well? I do feel like there's a bit of splitting hairs here. Furthermore, our subject has had plays professional staged since 2013, which is more than 10 years ago. So we're not sure how notable or how soon qualifies here. Trismegishandy (talk) 18:02, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

See WP:42 for what qualifies as useful references. For a person to be Wikipedia-notable, people need to have published about him; referencing the existence of his work - here, his plays - is not sufficient. See also the Comments left at the draft. David notMD (talk) 18:07, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Book-links

Hi

I was asked to remove "in line links to external sites".

The links in question are books, and they are formatted as books, so if I reformat them as simple references, a lot of information will get lost.

What do you advice in this case?

[10]

The follow up would be that these are links that aren´t in the body of the text, but under Publications, so I´m not sure if that rule applies?

Yours truly Audun H. Nilsen AudunNilsenOslo (talk) 02:47, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

As an example, you have written (in a list, not in the body): '' [https://theologicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/jisca/05-1_015.pdf Journal of the International Society of Christian Apologetics]''. If I thought the paper -- and yes, it's a paper, not an entire journal -- merited being listed, then I'd have written: "[https://theologicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/jisca/05-1_015.pdf Philosophical paradoxes of Darwinian evolutionary naturalism.]" ''Journal of the International Society of Christian Apologetics,'' vol. 5, no. 1 (April 2012), pp. 15–30. This of course still has the external link, but is a lot more informative about what's being linked to, and I think is unobjectionable. -- Hoary (talk) 09:03, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Better still, use {{Cite journal}}, but without <ref></ref> tags. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:00, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Archiving sources on This is Gavin Newsom

I need help with archiving sources on the article This is Gavin Newsom, which I started. I put the dates where I archived sources, and some of them gave me an error? May anyone help me archive the sources on this article? You are also welcome to make any additional edits. I need to do this since the article is a Good Article nominee, and I need to satisfy the criteria. Editorthatedits (talk) 03:34, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

@Editorthatedits: Use the tool here - just paste in the title of your article (you will need to sign in to do so): https://iabot.wmcloud.org/index.php?page=runbotsingle Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:57, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Notability#RfC_on_change_of_name

Discussion if the name WP:NOTABILITY should change to something else. For the interested. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:25, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

I started to weigh in on this but then realized that in the title of this topic was a sort of invitation to look at a related RfC to get a general idea of the "back story" on this question. After doing that, I can see merit for both notability and suitability. But deserving of attention also comes to mind. That term is part of the discussion in Cambridge Dictionary's definition of notability. Augnablik (talk) 06:42, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

@Augnablik if you want to express your opinion you're supposed to do it on the RfC page, not here -- this is just a notice, nobody is supposed to comment. The people who close the discussion only look at the comments under the RfC. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:44, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Oh, sorry ... didn't realize, since the topic was posted here. Augnablik (talk) 06:55, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

@Augnablik In hindsight, I should have been more clear. This is what's known (to the people who tend to know these things) as a WP:APPNOTE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:07, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Samurai Stubs

I was looking at List of samurai and noticed that a lot of the entries are poorly sourced stubs. A typical example is Abe Masakatsu. The sources are a Japanese website that doesn't appear to be academic and OpenHistory. Some of these stubs could be combined together. For example, Masakatsu´s son, Abe Masatsugu has an article they could be combined to make one article about the family. Is there an efficient way to do this? at least go through all the articles and delete the worst ones? DrGlef (talk) 07:44, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

I suggest, DrGlef, that for now you do nothing. The list is now at AfD (I think rightly so), and if you tinker with what it lists then this might lead to an accusation that you're somehow scuppering the list by diminishing its content. (Yes, such an accusation would be silly, I know.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:44, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, that it understandable. It is best to avoid the appearance of impropriety. DrGlef (talk) 08:50, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Biography of Dr Parveen Yograj

Hello,

I am seeking help from a neutral editor to review and possibly submit a well-sourced Wikipedia draft biography of Dr. Parveen Yograj, a senior medical professional and public health administrator from Jammu & Kashmir, India.

Due to conflict-of-interest guidelines, Dr. Yograj has decided not to submit the article himself and is requesting neutral assistance.

The draft has been carefully written and cites national and regional media coverage. It can be viewed here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Parveenyograj19631/sandbox

Any help from an experienced editor willing to review, improve, and submit the draft (if appropriate) would be deeply appreciated.

Thank you! Parveenyograj19631 (talk) 08:51, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello. Parveenyograi19631. You are speaking as if you are not him, but you are using his name as your username. Please clarify.

Your draft is now at Draft:Parveen Yograj. You need to click the "Submit your draft for review!" button in the submission box at the top to be able to submit it. 331dot (talk) 08:55, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

I infer from what I read at the foot of this version of this draft that the article subject himself wrote it and that you, Parveenyograj19631, (who uploaded it to your own sandbox) are simply following his directions. Please confirm this or correct it, writing in any one among (i) this thread right here (as 331dot has suggested), (ii) User talk:Parveenyograj19631 or (iii) Talk:Parveen Yograj. -- Hoary (talk) 10:44, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Update: Justlettersandnumbers has deleted the draft as mere promotion. -- Hoary (talk) 21:54, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

need help to create my first topic

Hi, I tried to create my first article on Smart Telescopes and it's rejected, I understand this is because of a lack of referencing and details. But I would still like to pursue in order to learn and to become better at this. Can anyone help me create this first article on Smart Telescopes ? Or is there a learning platform where I could learn ? many thanks in advance for your help. Cornedebouc (talk) 09:05, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The good news is that your draft was declined, not rejected. Rejected has a specific meaning in the draft process, that a draft may not be resubmitted. Declined means that it may be resubmitted.

I would suggest that you first use the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia and what is being looked for in article content. It will also help you to see Referencing for beginners. You did a nice job of telling what smart telescopes are, but you need to summarize what independent reliable sources say about them and what makes them notable, not just document their functionality.

Have you considered editing the Telescope article instead? It may be worth doing that first, and then seeing if you have enough to split off information about smart telescopes in particular into a separate article later. Writing a brand new article is the most difficult task to perform on Wikipedia, and it isn't the only or even best way to contribute. 331dot (talk) 09:22, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Now at Draft:Smart telescope. See Help:Referencing for beginners for how to incorporate references. David notMD (talk) 13:00, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Can an article that was rejected be republished?

I wrote an article a few years ago, but those who reviewed it felt it wasn’t strong enough for publication, and it was ultimately rejected. Is it possible to reconstruct and improve the article for republishing? Benjazper (talk) 12:40, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

@Benjazper If you think there are sources to get to WP:GNG, you can absolutely try. You can either start from scratch, or try WP:REFUND. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:02, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

The draft Draft:GlamCityz was repeatedly Declined, Speedy deleted and Rejected, and your account was indefinitely blocked. It appears you created a new account and tried again (that account blocked). You successfully appealed the initial block. In my opinion, the very, very, very last thing you should consider is again attempting to create a draft about GlamCityz. Please seek other means of contributing to Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 13:07, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

oh, I am not trying to create any draft about Glamcityz. I am just trying to gain more insight. Benjazper (talk) 13:38, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

You asked "Is it possible to reconstruct and improve the article for republishing?" If not that, what else are you asking about? David notMD (talk) 14:05, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

It's fine. Thank you very much. You've already answered my question. Benjazper (talk) 15:57, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Technical feedback request on sandbox draft: Motion-Independent Orientation

Hello all,

I've been developing a draft article in my sandbox titled Motion-Independent Orientation in Dynamic Systems. It introduces the concept of decoupled orientation — where an object’s rotational frame evolves independently of its translational trajectory — with reference to robotics, aerospace, biomechanics, and inertial control.

The article includes definitions via rotation matrices, angular velocity in both spatial and object frames, and a typology of 1-, 2-, and 3-DOF configurations.

You can view the full draft here: User:PatrickCDMM/sandbox

I'd appreciate any technical or structural feedback — especially on clarity, neutrality, or whether it meets Wikipedia's notability and style expectations. PatrickCDMM (talk) 13:34, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

The best way to get feedback- at least about notability and sourcing- is to submit the draft so a reviewer can examine it. To ask for a pre-review review is redundant. 331dot (talk) 13:43, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Now at Draft:Motion-Independent Orientation in Dynamic Systems. David notMD (talk) 18:04, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Why do my articles keep getting speedily deleted?

Once, I have tried to create some articles. I tried to create Alex Cheddar but it got deleted under sections A7 and A11 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

Alex Cheddar was the author of the Find the Fox book.

Give me some advice on how to create articles without getting speedily deleted. FrierMAnaro (talk) 15:31, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Welcome to The Teahouse your previous attempt at an article Alex Cheddar was deleted because it was an article about a real person, which did not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject. Writing new articles is probably the hardest task here, better to gain experience with editing articles in general first.Theroadislong (talk) 15:58, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

He's not an author; that's not even a proper book, it's a word search puzzle that could have been compiled by anyone. See WP:NAUTHOR for the absolute minimum requirements for authors. Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:46, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

The first thing you need when creating a new article is an appropriate topic. Without that, everything else is a waste of time and effort. Alex's videos are clever but there doesn't appear to be any independent coverage of him. DS (talk) 18:06, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Requesting step by step help with following WP:COI procedures

I am a new user. I want to follow WP:COI procedures which (according to an editor) include adding a special template to my userpage,and then requesting changes to the article with another template on the article Talk page. I have read the instructions multiple times but I'm having a tough time figuring out exactly what to do. Is there anyone who can walk me through it? Thanks in advance for any help! Monaco888 (talk) 17:23, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

@Monaco888: The templates are convenient (at least for those who understand them), but are not mandatory. You can simply write on your user page "I have a COI with X because Y", and on the article talk page "I have a COI, but please do Z". Note that you must also declare being paid, if that is the case. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:53, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I think I need to use the templates but don't understand how to do that. Specifically, the editor said, "Essentially, you have to add a special template to your userpage, not your Talk page, and then request changes to the article with another template on the article Talk page. For the exact details, please ask at the WP:Teahouse. Hopefully, you'll find someone there who is knowledgeable and can walk you through it." I'm hoping someone knowledgeable can guide me through this. Monaco888 (talk) 18:01, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

I would second what Andy said- while the templates are nice, they aren't required; what matters is being open and transparent with a COI, not specifically using the template. I would just type out a statement on your user page. 331dot (talk) 18:03, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

How to become an admin?

My name is Aiden and I’m from Georgia. I really liked reading Wikipedia articles and I did a little editing before I started an account. Honestly it’s been really good to have something to take my mind of the chemo even though they say i might not be responding to it. One of my doctors told me I shouldn’t let my condition prevent me from pursuing my dreams, so now I’m asking how I can become a Wikipedia administrator, even if only for one day? Thank you to anyone who has any advice. L$Aiden$L (talk) 19:04, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

The standard process for becoming an admin involves a week-long public vetting procedure, during which people will ask you questions about your previous actions on Wikipedia, your knowledge of procedure, and what you would do in various hypothetical situations. Then people state that they either support you becoming an admin, or oppose you. When the 'bureaucrat' counts the 'support' and 'oppose' opinions, they check each one to make sure it's actually from a genuine Wikipedia participant, and not someone who joined just to say "I SUPPORT THIS PERSON BECOMING AN ADMIN".

I hope you understand that giving someone admin access, without their having shown that they can be trusted with it, is an extraordinarily bad idea.

Good luck with chemo; I hope to see your edits in the future - and who knows, maybe you'll get to become an admin the normal way! DS (talk) 19:18, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Someone else put a message on my talk page about it so I understand that you’re supposed to have alot of edits and stuff but (Redacted) so I haven’t had much opportunity to get alot of edits. The problem is that because of my cancer I might not have time to do alot of edits. I promise I can be trusted though. L$Aiden$L (talk) 21:53, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

@L$Aiden$L: Welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, editors want to see that the person applying to be an administrator can be trusted, and that's shown by their behaviour on the site, usually spanning back years. The process can be very grueling and sensitive questions may be asked. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:13, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Becoming a Wikipedia admin is very difficult and usually only possible if you're already very experienced, unfortunately. But really, admins are just regular editors who can ban people, delete articles, and suchlike, which is definitely not the core of what Wikipedia is about. If you're trying to do something big you could definitely go for a featured article -- while it is difficult, anyone can write one of those. I'd recommend doing something like that, or just finding what you enjoy about editing Wikipedia and trying to reach milestone there -- even if you were an admin for a day, there probably wouldn't be much to do other than read deletion discussions and read people complaining about things. Mrfoogles (talk) 22:24, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Personally, I enjoy editing Wikipedia but have no desire to be an admin. I did try for a good article once (failed, unfortunately -- the topic was too new). Administrators are needed, but they're not really the purpose of Wikipedia. Mrfoogles (talk) 22:26, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

(Redacted) I don’t know how I would write a really good article that could make me an admin. I just want the chance to live out my dream even if only for one day because I might not have alot of time left. L$Aiden$L (talk) 22:32, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi User:Cremastra do you also have cancer that isn’t responding to chemo? L$Aiden$L (talk) 00:16, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

(WP:GAs are more attainable – I've written a couple and I'm also <20 years old. –me)

No, I don't. Cremastra _talk 00:18, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Ok. Let me know how attainable it is to write a few good articles when you have cancer that isn’t responding to chemo. L$Aiden$L (talk) 00:25, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

You don't have to write a brand new article to make a good contribution to Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 10:21, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

I've seen this question asked before. To put it another way- what would the Boston Red Sox say if you asked if you could be their starting pitcher in an actual game to fulfill a dream while you are battling a medical concern? They would likely have much sympathy for you, but they also have a responsibility to their fans and their business to put the best team on the field they can for a game. They can't just let anyone be the starting pitcher or center fielder, no matter what the reason. It's the same as possessing the admin toolset(and that's what it is, a toolset more than a role). It can't be given to just anyone, no matter what the reason. And as noted, what would you do for a day? You don't need to have the admin tools to be a good contributor. You don't even have to write an entire new article. 331dot (talk) 22:34, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

I think it’s interesting that admins are saying you don’t need to be an admin, all you have to do is write good articles. Would they still be saying that if they weren’t admins? L$Aiden$L (talk) 00:18, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

I mean, I'm not an admin and I'm saying you could write good articles. But people have different goals and different priorities. If you find you enjoy writing articles and feel satisfied after writing one – go with that. Cremastra _talk 00:19, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Well since my doctor is talking about stopping the chemo and leaving it up to “the universe”, I guess what I would enjoy is getting to be an admin on the website that has been my only source of comfort. L$Aiden$L (talk) 03:19, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I would still say that. Possessing the admin tools is an enhancement to work on Wikipedia, not a job in and of itself. The tools are only given to people who show a need for them, how it will aid what they do and how that benefits the community. I get what you're saying, that your need is that you're battling a medical issue and may not able to use Wikipedia much longer- but that's your own personal need, not a need that affects your Wikipedia work. If you say- spend your time fighting vandalism, you can then argue that giving you the tools will aid your fighting vandalism. If you participate in a lot of Articles for Deletion discussions, giving you the ability to delete articles would allow you to close those discussions.

No matter your personal situation, you won't be given the admin tools just as the Red Sox or the Atlanta Braves won't make you their starting pitcher for an actual game; the American people won't make you President of the US for a day, if that were your dream. Some things might happen- the Braves might let you throw out the ceremonial first pitch; the President might let you tour the White House and sit at his desk; Wikipedia will let you contribute to an article. We're not trying to crush your dreams, but dreams have to give way to reality sometimes. Contributing to an article has a bigger impact on Wikipedia than merely possessing the admin tools for a day. I would suggest that you find a topic you're interested in that you can contribute about; then your username is preserved in the edit history of articles on that topic for as long as Wikipedia exists. I wish you the best. 331dot (talk) 09:55, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

• Hello @L$Aiden$L: there is a test Wikipedia where you can test the admin tools. Leo^talk 01:10, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

To be honest, creating any article, let alone a Good article is a hard task. Even raising an existing article to GA is a hard task that typically requires making scores of edits to improve the article and then addressing everything the GA reviewer said is still not good enough. If you enjoy Wikipedia, you may find a good early step is to work on improving existing articles, especially if there is a topic you like and know about. See Help:Referencing for beginners and WP:42 for why adding content calls for adding references. David notMD (talk) 02:24, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Even though it won’t be possible for you to become an overnight admin, here’s something you might enjoy: a virtual experience of “meeting” candidates from past elections, following the questions asked by the current admins and the responses the candidates made, and seeing the final vote tallies. I did this a few months back to get an idea of what admins do, wanting to expand my not-all-that-far-from-newbie understanding of what goes on in Wikipedia that "plain vanilla editors" like me rarely (if ever) see. I found it fascinating. If you think this might appeal to you, then:

• Go to the archives for successful admin requests over the years.
• Scroll down to the 2025 table and click on either of the editors' names.
• Now you can read what the candidate said by way of introduction and his or her responses to the mostly "what-if" questions tossed out by the current admins.
• Similar information is available for successful admin elections over earlier years, which appear below 2025. Enjoy!

And ... thoughts and prayers, @L$Aiden$L. Augnablik (talk) 07:01, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

ABILENE

1. When was a Town Board elected. c 2. in the first years of the town board what types of crimes were committed by the cowboys. 3. During the town boards existence who were the famous sheriffs employed 4. What year was McCoy asked to leave. 5. Did McCoy finally leave. 115.189.130.30 (talk) 22:22, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

This is hard to understand -- do you mean Abilene, Texas? Mrfoogles (talk) 22:26, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

The IP means Abilene, Kansas. Carlstak (talk) 23:50, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Are you asking about information you want to add to the article about Abilene? If so, you need to find and incorporate references as you add information. If you want other people do to your research for you - no. David notMD (talk) 02:29, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

resolving links to copyvio used in references

I've noticed that a certain website hosts PDFs of scans of music- and broadcasting-related magazines. These magazines are often cited in Wikipedia articles for songs, artists, musical tours, television shows, radio stations, and so on. Nothing wrong with referencing the magazines, for sure. But the references often include a URL to this website which hosts complete copies of the magazine. Since there's a wide variety of magazines (several dozen different titles) and no mention of endorsement by any of the publishers, my belief is that the site is hosting material that violates the owners' copyrights.

Wikipedia:Copyright violations says that Copyright-infringing material should also not be linked to. And so I've occasionally removed these references after discussing the issue at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. I've been doing other stuff, then noticed some more copyvio links and removed those today.

After doing that, I found there are about 60,0000 such links. Holy crap!

I thought it might be right to raise this issue Wikipedia:Copyright problems, but that seems to be only for single pages with copyvio issues.

Where is the best place to discuss this problem and seek a resolution? -- mikeblas (talk) 22:27, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

@Mikeblas WP:CP wouldn't be the place to go, since I believe they deal with actual infringements as opposed to links to infringements. It should not be too hard, on the other hand, to request a bot to unlink the website: it would just have to remove the entire URL parameter of the citation if your search pattern is found. That would leave some links that aren't in citation templates, but that's *hopefully* a small enough remainder to process manually. Cremastra _talk 22:51, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. A bot could clean up the links, sure. But how do we prevent new links from being added? Should WP:DEPHOW be followed to deprecate the site as a source? -- mikeblas (talk) 00:20, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Adding photo to person on Wikipedia page

I don't actually know how to add an image properly in the box on the page for a person. Can someone help me, please? AadamK (talk) 22:58, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Is this photograph one that's already at Wikimedia Commons, one that you took, one that you found on the web, one that you scanned from a printed page (or photographic print), or what, AadamK? -- Hoary (talk) 02:53, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

More details please. What article and what picture are you thinking of adding? That rule of thumb is that any random picture you find online (newsarticles, subjects social media etc) is under copyright and can't be used on WP. More at Help:Pictures. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:14, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

How can I improve my article writing?

I'd like to actually begin editing and making articles on obscure people, events and topics, any suggestions or tips? Local Events Man (talk) 00:00, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello Local Events Man. You'll need to make sure your obscure topics aren't too obscure, but will be about something that is notable for some reason. For example, I'm not noteworthy enough to have a Wikipedia article about me, even though I have a few friends and relatives who consider me to be a fairly nice person. You will also need to have at least three good references about your obscure topic. Alas, if nothing has been printed in a reliable publication about a topic it can't have a Wikipedia article. You may want to read Help:Your first article for more useful information. Best wishes on your work as an encyclopedia editor. Karenthewriter (talk) 02:23, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Can Fandom be used for references?

I'm drafting articles for multiple Overwatch characters but am having trouble finding references, and I was curious if Fandom could be used for references. Someone please get back to me as I am somewhat new to Wikipedia. AlexEditsStuff (talk) 00:48, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

No. Sources must be considered reliable by the community's definition, and as a user generated site, Fandom does not fit under our definition. Even Wikipedia itself cannot be used as a source for other Wikipedia articles. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 02:15, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Where can I find good references for these types of articles? AlexEditsStuff (talk) 02:33, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi AlexEditsStuff - Overwatch is a video game, correct? Well, the editors over at Wikiproject Video Games have made a list of sources they believe tend to be reliable for video-game related content. No promises, but you might have luck looking at through those. Good luck! GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 02:42, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Sometimes you can't, and then you shouldn't try to make a WP-article on the whatever. Existing is not enough, see WP:BACKWARDS. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Winston (Overwatch) could be of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:06, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Consensus against use of Fandom (website) can be found at WP:FANDOM. Cullen328 (talk) 06:52, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia help for beginners

What can I do to help Wikipedia for new editors? Thanks. (TypesTornodo (talk) 04:54, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

I suppose you could answer questions here or at the help desk. Become a host and whatnot. But you made your account today and only have one edit. MallardTV ^{Talk to me!} 05:00, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Or do you mean what can you (a new editor) do to help? MallardTV ^{Talk to me!} 05:01, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes. (TypesTornodo (talk) 05:08, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

WP:TASKS may be of help to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:15, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes, thanks. (TypesTornodo (talk) 05:17, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

@TypesTornodo See also Wikipedia:WikiProject Geography and its talkpage, you might find something that interests you there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:31, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång. Thank you very much. (TypesTornodo (talk) 06:11, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Issue with redundant biographies between two selected bios

The bios of Al Williamson in these portals look near-similar, which do we keep for public display?

Thanks for a response. Odla101010 (talk) 10:40, 6 April 2025 (UTC)