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Wikiproject Set-Index help

Hi all, not sure if this is the right venue to bring this up but thought it might help. I'm trying to separate out the Wikipedia:Set index articles from the regular list-class articles in Wikipedia:WikiProject Ukraine, similar to how WikiProject Military history already does it. I had earlier went through myself and with the help of the AWB bot to reclass all the pages in [[Category:Set index articles on populated places in Ukraine]] to have |class=SI on their talkpages, adding the [[Category:SIA-Class Ukraine articles]] to the articles themselves, and keeping the already-present {{SIA|populated places in Ukraine}} on the articles too. After doing all these edits over a week ago, the atuo-generated template at [[Category:Ukraine articles by quality]] has partly-updated showing a new separate SI-class category, but still counts those classed as SI as also counting for the list-class.

On the Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index for Wikiproject Ukraine, the new SI-class still doesn't show and all the pages are still counted as list-class. Also when viewing each talkpage with the SI-class, it doesn't appear as SI-class and instead just shows as regular list-class. From my searching, it seems like Template:WikiProject Ukraine might need to be modified to completely enable the new class but I'm not too sure and the difference between the WP:Wikiproject Ukraine template and the WP:Wikiproject Military History template isn't clear. Looking forward to get this fixed and many thanks in advance for the feedback and thoughts! Dan the Animator 19:15, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You can't actually do this; you've gotten halfway there by putting the talk-page category on the articles themselves, but the proper way to do it is, using {{WikiProject Video games}} as an example:

Add |QUALITY_SCALE = subpage to the {{WikiProject Ukraine}} template
Create {{WikiProject Ukraine/class}}, mirroring {{WikiProject Video games/class}}. The instructions are at {{Class mask}}, but the one that turns on SIA-class is the |SIA=SIA line

Note, however, that while this will start correctly putting articles tagged for WikiProject Ukraine with class=SI or SIA into Category:SIA-Class Ukraine articles (which should not be a category on the articles themselves, that's a talk-page category), it will not fix your problem with the 1.0 template. This is because the 1.0 bot does not handle SIAs as a separate class from lists; not sure why, but it may be related to the fact that {{WikiProject banner shell}} doesn't either. See the items in Category:SIA-Class video game articles - bannershell says list, WPVG overrides that to SIA and sets the category, but there's no SIA row in the table. --Pres N 19:53, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ah that makes sense, thanks @PresN! I created the Template:WikiProject Ukraine/class page and submitted an edit request for the main Wikiproject Template, both following how WP:VG does it. About the Category:SIA-Class Ukraine articles, sorry! I'll fix that over today, removing the category from the article and adding it to the talkpages.

For the 1.0 template/bot, that should be alright. It appears, at least in the case of WP:VG, that all the SIAs are default-sorted to the very end of the 1.0-created table of VG lists, maybe because they have an NA importance rating or something else. If this will be the case in the end with WP:Ukraine, that should be good too since the goal was to better separate the two and better label the SIAs so other editors better know how to edit them. Let me know what you think and also maybe editing the Wikiproject Ukraine Template and many thanks again for the really helpful advice. Dan the Animator 17:08, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They're sorted to the end because of importance=NA, yeah. I've implemented your requested changes, let me know if there's any issues. --Pres N 17:28, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks thanks! :) Double checked with a few random pages and everything looks good. I also finished fixing the SIA-Class category to have the talkpages instead, and will also be changing all the SIA-Class talkpage templates to mirror the way WP:VG does it with the override. I'll let you know if anything comes up though or if there's anything else and thanks again for all the help with this. Dan the Animator 17:46, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just so I understand, is having an SIA row in the table something that would be desired? If so we can open a feature request for it at https://github.com/openzim/wp1/issues. audiodude (talk) 20:47, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Audiodude yes definitely, if it's possible. It probably hasn't been requested yet since most WikiProjects don't use an SIA-Class but having the 1.0 bot recognize it would be great to help figure out a more accurate count of list-type pages and better keep track of WikiProject articles/sorting. Let me know if I can help and many thanks if you make the github request. Dan the Animator 22:29, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the best way you could help would be to summarize this discussion and your reasoning in this thread, and write the Github issue. audiodude (talk) 22:34, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, here's a summary though let me know if it needs any changes:

Summary: Currently the WP 1.0 bot only tracks assessment data for common standard quality and importance ratings and doesn't consider the less common quality rating SIA (also sometimes just typed as SI), which is used for Set-Index Articles. SIA pages are similar to regular Wikipedia disambiguation pages but only include items that are all connected/about the same subject and usually have a longer lead that explains the topic (for a more detailed explanation of the differences, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Set_index_articles#Set_indexes_and_disambiguation). Like disambiguation pages, they have a list format and are used for navigation help. Because it's not recognized by the bot, WikiProject tables maintained by the bot include them as part of the list count. Creating a separate SIA row would distinguish the two, helping with article maintenance, locating pages, general tracking, and other tasks. Also would be more accurate and would help avoid misidentifying borderline cases that look like a stub-list but are an SIA and vice versa.

Issue: Add the SIA-Class type to the list of WikiProject quality assessments recognized by WP 1.0 bot.

Dan the Animator 23:01, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Made one at https://github.com/openzim/wp1/issues/1023 --Pres N 23:02, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And edited it to add Dan's summary. --Pres N 23:03, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Aweesome thanks so much! audiodude (talk) 23:07, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks PresN! :) Also noticed this while searching through the bot tables and thought I'd ask here, is there a way to delete outdated, unused tables? I found this 1.0 bot-generated table for the pseudo-WikiProject "Russian invasion of Ukraine" which was last updated March 7, 2023, and can't figure out if it still has any use. Would be great if it is updated though probably still would be too contentious on inclusion criteria to be useful imo. Dan the Animator 23:18, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The bot never deletes anything. The only way to delete outdated tables would be through on-wiki means. audiodude (talk) 23:22, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh sorry, I didn't realize that was a WP1 link.

The same principle applies though. Cleaning up tables like that is a subset of the larger problem of "cleaning up" unused/abandoned/outdated WikiProjects, since every table that the bot generates corresponds to one. audiodude (talk) 23:24, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ah I see, makes sense. In the case of this table, I think it stemmed from this unsuccessful attempt at creating a new WikiProject. The only other related page I found is this 1.0 bot-maintained article quality log, which is also outdated and completely unused.

Sounds like this is something that wouldn't be too easy to fix but would be worth working at eventually and I'd be excited to help a bit if I can. Dan the Animator 23:43, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Totally agree. It's not impossible to fix, but needs some planning/coordination. audiodude (talk) 01:28, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, maybe if it helps I could start a post about it at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) to see if there's enough more editors interested to help out though it'll be for another time and definitely a separate discussion. Also to second PresN, thank you for all the work with the bot and everything: it really has made a positive difference and it's been a tremendous help in much of my greatest content work. :) Dan the Animator 03:55, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for all the coding work on the project! --Pres N 01:14, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draft-class

In the previous thread there is talk of making an SIA row in the tables and an issue has been opened for it in Github. I would like a Draft-Class row created in the tables by default. I know that it can be added manually to projects, so that drafts are not submerged under "Other". But I would prefer it to happen by default. In projects I have looked at, most of the "Other" category consists of drafts, so it makes sense to separate them out. Would it be acceptable for me to open an issue in Github for this idea? Nurg (talk) 09:29, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you give an example of what you mean? I don't think this is a 1.0 bot issue; if you have articles in e.g. Category:Draft-Class video game pages then a row shows up in the table. It sounds like you're saying that there's project(s) that don't categorize drafts into Draft-class, but the 1.0 bot can't control that. --Pres N 12:31, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Example: At User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Oceans there are currently 29 pages in a row labelled "Other", all of which are in Draft space. It would be better if they were in a row labelled "Draft", similar to User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/New Zealand. The NZ table is as it is because "extra1-title=Draft-Class" and related lines were manually added to the parameters at Category:New Zealand articles by quality. A similar manual change could be done for Oceans and all other projects, but I'm wondering whether the same effect could happen for all projects by default. But I don't know how all this works and whether this is a WP 1.0 bot matter or not, so, info welcome. Nurg (talk) 21:50, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes you've got it completely right. It's up to the WikiProject maintainers to indicate that their project uses Draft-Class articles. Same thing with A-Class, because not every project uses it. audiodude (talk) 21:52, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand your reply. A-Class and Draft-Class do not seem to appear in the tables by the same mechanism. Drafts require 'extra1-title' parameters, but an A-Class row seems to appear by default. Nurg (talk) 23:06, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

When you say "by default" you mean "if the project has an A-Class Foobar articles by quality category", right? That might be the case yes, but not all projects have that category. I would have to brush up on the code for how these are included before trying to add an SIA row. audiodude (talk) 23:12, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think that's what I mean. So, with the Project/Oceans example, Category:Draft-Class Oceans pages exists and is populated, but no 'Draft' row appears in the table – the draft articles just get relegated to 'Other'. Nurg (talk) 23:37, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Watches

The talk page template for WikiProject Watches has been marked as inactive. This meant that its assessment categories were no longer being filled, and as such have all been deleted:

It's statistics are still available though, and it's able to be updated with the bot

Watches pages by quality
Quality
Quality	Total
FL	1
GA	1
B	25
C	101
Start	317
Stub	162
List	6
Category	71
File	4
Project	3
Template	6
NA	27
Assessed	724
Unassessed	38
Total	762

How is this possible without the assessment categories being in place? Aluxosm (talk) 23:18, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like the categories were deleted on October 18, but the last update to that table was on September 23. So what's the incongruency? If you're talking about manual updates through https://wp1.openzim.org/#/update it might just be that the updater starts, sees that there are no categories and nothing to be done, and then immediately completes.

There is nothing that deletes WikiProjects from the bot's database or website, even when the relevant categories have been deleted, so you will continue to see Watches listed there.

Hope this helps! audiodude (talk) 00:00, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ooh that does indeed! I didn't realise that projects aren't de-listed when their categories disappear. My confusion must have come from when the categories were emptied and the bot was run before they were deleted; this would explain things like these: https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Alien and https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Pipe%20organ/ where their logs were are full of "removals" (see here and here respectively). Thanks for the info. Aluxosm (talk) 00:50, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Release version parameters

Is the {{Release version parameters}} template still being used by anything? I'm currently working on WikiProject catalyst, a tool with a similar goal to Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Generate categories, and want to know if the template is something that needs adding to the categories made by it. Cheers, Aluxosm (talk) 23:25, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Forestry

Sorry, having trouble setting up the stats for this project. Also, an editor is speedy-deleting the needed categories... I'd really appreciate it if you could set up and run the bot so we know the system is up and running. Wikipedia:WikiProject Forestry/Assessment contains the code

<div style="float: right; margin-left: 1em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; ">{{Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Forestry articles by quality statistics}}</div>

which should presumably populate Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Forestry articles by quality statistics but the file contains no data (I put a message in there to slow down the speedy deletionist).

All help gratefully received. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:27, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I just ran the bot manually rather than wait for the nightly run, and it updated User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Forestry, which is where it actually updates; your "Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Forestry articles by quality statistics" page was blank, but checking the page history it needs a link to that 1.0 bot page to be useful. I've updated it for you.

Something weird is going on with the categories, though- Category:FL-Class Forestry articles is empty, but Talk:List of inventoried conifers in the United States says that it's in that category? {{WikiProject Forestry}} itself says its on 3200 pages, but only 50 are in the categories. Very strange, but unrelated to the 1.0 bot. --Pres N 13:39, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for doing that: now we at least have populated categories, and a correctly-structured table. I'm sorry to trouble you again straight away, but as you say the situation looks weird. For instance, the bot has managed to include one tree article I brought to GA, Spruce, but not some others, such as Pine, also at GA. I can't see any difference in how I configured these articles, they are similar in construction. Could the bot run have been limited to some number (50?) in some way with a default configuration parameter or something? I really don't know my way around the bot system so I'm at a bit of a disadvantage. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:29, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This has now doubled to 108 articles (out of 3200). Progress, but why not all of them? Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:44, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's not the bot, Wikipedia isn't populating the categories. The bot output matches what shows up in e.g. Category:GA-Class Forestry articles, it's just that your articles are only slowly showing up there. I think it's just slow to update; I just made a junk edit to Talk:List of inventoried conifers in the United States to see what would happen and it immediately popped up in the category. I don't know enough about how the software handles categories to tell you what to do to fix it faster (other than editing 3100 talk pages...); maybe ask at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)? --Pres N 14:42, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for investigating. It sounds as if it may slowly sort itself out. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:49, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The issue here is that the template is the thing that populates the categories, but changes made to them (like yours) don't trigger an automatic reload, so the categories are only updated (and then used by the bot) after a random amount of time or, as PresN mentioned, when there's an edit to the page it's on. Using the refresh script, I made a null edit to every page it's transcluded on, then re-ran the bot; it looks like it's still missing a few but it's not far off now! Aluxosm (talk) 11:04, 8 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's brilliant, thank you so much! Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:16, 8 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of all WikiProjects doing WP 1.0 assessments

Is there a list somewhere of all WikiProjects doing assessments? Category:WikiProjects participating in Wikipedia 1.0 assessments appears to contain only a small portion of these. If I can finish categorizing them, then it will be more straightforward, query-wise, to determine which projects to contact for key discussions at the WikiProject Council. Stefen 𝕋ower_{'s got the power!!1!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 19:47, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do both quality and importance assessments count? Most are using the quality assessments (especially now that PIQA is a thing), but fewer are using importance assessments. These counts should be pretty accurate as they search for templates that use Module:WikiProject banner (1,801 uses) and which specify either the |class= or |importance= parameteres:

class — 1,579 (87.7%)
importance — 1,439 (79.9%)

The inverse of these searches are almost more informative:

no class parameter — 222 (12.3%)
no importance parameter — 362 (20.1%)

With only 262 projects in that category, either way it has a way to go! It'd definitely be easier to update it with the help of a script that finds the missing ones; if you still reckon the category is actually useful, I could do it if we decide on the criteria 🤙 Aluxosm (talk) 11:36, 8 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]