Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Benjiwolf (2nd)

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User:Benjiwolf

Suspected sockpuppeteer

Benjiwolf (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Suspected sockpuppets

Report submission by

Ttguy 09:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence

Benjiwolf is almost certainly back as 83.79.168.184 contributions of 83.79.168.184 .

in this [1] edit on Talk 3AMethylenedioxymethamphetamine 83.79.168.184 takes over one part of a conversation previously being conducted by Benjiwolf. It is very obvious from the style that 83.79.168.184 is Benjiwolf.

Benjiwolf loses his edit war on Glyphosate while he is banned but this [2] edit on the page by 83.79.168.184 is edit summarised "we have to be honest about what happened to this page, it can stay like this, yet needs a tag for accuracy sake". How does newbie 83.79.168.184 know the history of the glyphosate page.

Benjiwolf is also posting as 83.78.169.134. contributions of 83.78.169.134 This edit again carrying on a dialog started by Benjiwolf [[3]] and mentioning that he/she is "a former american citizen living in switzerland" justl like Benjiwolf states on his user page.Ttguy 08:53, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

83.78.169.134 is anoying Travb on CIA Ttguy 13:50, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And as 83.78.187.33 contributions of 83.78.187.33. See this[[4]] Where the conversation started by Benjiwolf continues.

And as 83.78.160.112 contributions of 83.78.160.112 where this [[5]] edit shows 83.78.160.112 editing 83.78.187.33s posting.

83.78.144.13. No totaly definitive evidence that this is Benjiwolf except his interest in Roundup and Glyphosate pages. And the style of his ranting talk page entries of which this is prime example [6] Ttguy 12:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC) 83.78.144.13 is anoying Tbeatty as shown on 83.78.144.13 talk page[reply]

83.79.136.221 This address edits the same pages as Benjiwolf. He is upsetting Irishguy - see this [7] posting on 83.79.136.221 talk page.

83.79.133.133 This [8] edit carries on a discussion started by 83.78.144.13 Ttguy 13:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

83.78.181.214 - usual pages. Usual style.

83.79.189.31 - usual pages. Usual style.

83.78.136.182 - usual pages. Usual style.

83.78.181.65 - USER TALK:Blaxthos, distinct benjiwolf style.

83.78.165.13 Posting personal attacks to my talk page [9]Ttguy 21:34, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

85.0.212.81 usual pages.usual style

MnemosynesMusings - reinserting Benjiwolf's edits ([10] [11]). Identical setup for userpage of previous puppet CrystalizedAngels. auburnpilot talk 18:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Benjiwolf reports that MnemosynesMusings is from same geographic area as Benjiwolf. Ttguy 20:40, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

IP addressses begining 83.78. and 83.79 belong to BLUEWINNET. IP addresses in the range 85.0.0.0 - 85.1.255.255 are also BLUEWINNET. Bluewin is an internet service provider in Zurich Switzerland. IPs 129.132.0.0 - 129.132.255.255 are Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich, Switzerland[12]. Benjiwolf is in Switzerland.

I am not sure about CrystalizedAngels. However the first thing this newly created user does is go right into an edit war on Rudi Giulani and revert an edit back to 129.132.239.8s version [13]. CrystalizedAngels certainly has a similar style to Benjiwolf.

checkuser on CrystalizedAngels confirms she is Benjiwolf Ttguy 08:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Statement by laterally involved user USER:Blaxthos

It is obvious from his comments and his edit history that Benjiwolf has no regard for the rules of Wikipedia, nor has he any intent of stopping disruptive behavior. I have personally seen him claim to create "characters" to edit wikipedia, often taking up adversarial positions on issues. This is wildly inappropriate conduct on Wikipedia, and his continued disregard for helpful suggestions and warnings shows that the disruptive behavior will continue until an indefinite block is applied (which I fully support). No need to entertain such trollish behavior. /Blaxthos 01:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's obvious that the IPs are all the same person, but given the lack of admin attention to SSP it might be better to report this problem to WP:ANI, and possibly protect the pages that Benji is targeting. --Akhilleus (talk) 05:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since I began dealing with benjiwolf, I have become an admin and would be happy to pass out the blocks/protections but I believe there is a conflict of interest; especially since I've contributed to this and the previous report. auburnpilot talk 19:25, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know the rules on this (OMG! Probably only because i'm not an admin and never had occasion to find out), but I'm pretty sure I've seen admins block for inappropriate behavior during conflicts arising during stewardship of articles they edit. However, I'm also sure this was done by seasoned administrators... I wouldn't bust a move like that fresh out of the gate (if at all -- I personally would ask another admin to review and act if he thought it was justified). As an important side note, have we gotten a checkuser request on this guy? Best to nab all his accounts and IP's in one swoop. /Blaxthos 06:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

checkuser on CrystalizedAngels confirmed she was Benjiwolf. Ttguy 08:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Statement from the Accused

Gruezi Voll!!!...How Slimey! Two of the editors talking about the block were both involved in edit wars with benjiwolf, and are trying to block an editor that had a different position than them!...editors Ttguy and AuburnPilot-129.132.239.8 17:19, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

actually user blaxthos was also involved in the scandalous FOX news block that started all this where I added factual referenced material stating the controlling owners' citizenships, and the inheritance issues surrounding the controlling shares for News Corporation and FOX and the inheritance of the profit shares...i used several (12 i think) mainstream references to back up the addition, including FOX news stories themselves...some people couldnt even believe that wendi deng was actually his wife and that two half chinese kids (maybe full chinese citizens) could end up with controlling shares, and will at least end up with massive billion dollar profit shares no matter what, even after multiple mainstream refs people couldnt even believe it!!!yet it was of course true, they just didnt want to believe-129.132.239.8 17:49, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

anyways...you can't block benjiwolf, its not possible, all you could possibly do is block the university at the ETH in switzerland, the swiss federal library computer system in zurich, things like that...and what are you going to do, block hundreds of IPs??? I'll just keep getting new ones!...yet read benjiwolf user page, the block was unjustified, rules were flaunted and so benjiwolf flaunts the rules...yet go ahead and block other peoples computers, you simply cant block benjiwolf though. In any case, I'll rack up hundreds of IPs quite soon! Anyways I have added a large amount of info to many many pages, all factual, all usually backed by reputable references, and on a large variety of issues, many with no controversy and that are not subject to warring political editing blocks... the block was unfair, plus user Ttguy is a straight up lobbiest editor, has used vulgar profanities and personal insults on wikipedia, only edits on pesticide/herbicide GM food articles, uses unjustified blankings of fully referenced factual material to try and eliminate all critical comments of herbicides, and is the one that has also initiated this little war with benjiwolf in another move to eliminate and blank critical comment on herbicides, he has tried several moves to eliminate fully referenced material from the glyphosate and roundup pages, this is his latest attempt so he has full reign on the roundup/glyphosate pages and other herbicide/pesticide pages, I have not engaged him on the GM food pages, as I actually am supportive of some GM crops depending on the nature of the particular traits that have been bionegineered in, yet I will state that TTguy has made edits harmful to wikipedia in that area too, as his style is simply to blank and erase anything not flattering of the technology, a style which I fully disagree with even though I am for some GE tech, yet as I say I have let him run amok on those pages and havent engaged...in fact while i have edited on many pages subject to editing blocks warring with eachother, usually on politician pages, I have never encountered a user on wikipedia that I have such loathing for as Ttguy, it is really disgraceful some of his edits, if there was one editor on wikipedia i would vote for a block of, it would be him as many of his edits are harmful to the sites accuracy, and all this sockpuppet war is...is a battle between user Ttguy and Benjiwolf, its all it ever was, yet he has a few good edits too, and I really wouldnt try and block most any editor unless its random vandalism and jokes/profanities etc...and PS: only some of the edits on this particular IP are mine, a large portion are from other editors, if you block this IP, you dont block me at all, yet you block a bunch of other people...en schone mitenand!-129.132.239.8 17:19, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

for accuracy sake you really need to change the label tag on this IP to say: this user is sometimes suspected of being a benjiwolf sockpuppet, yet many many editors use this IP, it could never be determined to 100% certainty that an edit from this IP was or was not a benjiwolf edit!...is this edit even a benjiwolf edit??? impossible to determine, its easy to copy anothers style or language or frequent spelling mistakes, only the NSA would have a reasonable certainty of benjiwolf edits on wikipedia, only they will have a reasonable list of all benjiwolf sockpuppets, yet even they could be fooled, if the person behind "benjiwolf" didnt sign in to typical sites and used a different keystroke pattern, even they could be fooled possibly, and someone other than benjiwolf could easily make it seem their edits were actually his, all you really can do is look to see if particular edits contribute to wikipedia or are harmful to it, and address the specific edits129.132.239.8 17:28, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ja ja...its only a partial benjiwolf sockpuppet list y'all have...ring up the NSA to ask for a more complete version...tschuuuuuuuss-129.132.239.8 17:32, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Conclusions

Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/CrystalizedAngels established that benjiwolf has continued to use sockpuppets. I have indefinitely blocked the offending puppet and extended the main account block to one month. The IP's have yet to be addressed. auburnpilot talk 03:34, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Range block has been attempted on the 83.78.0.0 and 83.79.0.0 ranges. I'm leaving this report open for now. auburnpilot talk 19:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have indefblocked MnemosynesMusings as well. - auburnpilot talk 23:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If the disruption continues, please initiate a new report. If blatantly obvious puppetry, you may notify me on my talk page. - auburnpilot talk 04:21, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]