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change Voiced retroflex lateral flap audio file from "Voiced retroflex lateral flap.wav" to "Voiced retroflex lateral flap (correct).wav"

Reason: The file is completely incorrect and also does not follow the IPA consonant a-consonant-a pattern. As a native Marathi speaker (which has this consonant), I can speak it correctly. The second file is my creation. Boganbane (talk) 21:41, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

But what's the problem with the file just containing /ɭ̆a/? BodhiHarp (talk) 17:30, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Because it is inaccurate. The sound is not the voiced retroflex lateral flap. Boganbane (talk) 15:28, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What is it then? BodhiHarp (talk) 15:47, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is hard to identify it with certainty, but I suspect it is ɹ (Voiced alveolar approximant). Most importantly, it has no lateral quality.

For comparison, check out the audio file for ळ on the Marathi page, which is [ɭ̆ɤ] (although the page itself denotes it as /ɭə/ because unicode does not support the character for the flap and ɤ is allophonic to ə in Marathi). Boganbane (talk) 16:08, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

✅ Done

And by the way, Unicode does support the unofficial flap letter, simply install the Andika font. BodhiHarp (talk) 16:47, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the tip! Boganbane (talk) 17:35, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @Eshaan011 BodhiHarp (talk) 17:39, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I personally am a Gujarati speaker (which has the phoneme), and it's likely that my family has some dialectal differences or something to pronounce the phoneme differently. I apologise for any confusion. Eshaan011 (talk) 11:29, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. It was better to have an audio file than not. Also, my mother speaks Gujarati and she says that this phoneme does not occur in her speech (she is also a native Marathi speaker who acquired Gujarati in Mumbai, not Gujarat). So it might be that some dialects of Gujarati do not have this phoneme or pronounce it differently, like you said. Boganbane (talk) 12:31, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]