Template talk:WikiProject Disambiguation

Creation

For the record, this template was based on what I did with {{MortalKombatProject}}. Nice, simple, and encourages people to either help maintain the article or join the project. EVula 15:22, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

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Any idea how we can fix how this operates on a page like Talk:*** (check it out to see what I mean). Would adding a well placed nowiki element do it? (John User:Jwy talk) 21:05, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:21, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Nope. Check the anchor rendering in {{Template:DisambigProject}} on the TALK page. (John User:Jwy talk) 21:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, that (this) template. Silly me. Fixed too. -- JHunterJ (talk) 22:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I thought I had tried that (the page-title thing) before adding my "Nope" comment above. Must have typoed as it didn't preview right. Thx for that. this. (John User:Jwy talk) 23:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Class rating

This template currently includes an optional "class-rating". Is this being used anywhere, or can we remove it (there will never be a stub-rated or a Featured Disambig page...) to stop any confusion?

See also, the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation#Tagging of Project Banner at Talk pages. Thanks. -- Quiddity (talk) 19:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Link to project

{{editprotected}} The text “the project page” in this template should be made a link to Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation. I can't make the change for this template is full protected (why?). Some admin please make it. – b_jonas 20:31, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Echoing the above request, can an admin alter the text for the MAIN_TEXT parameter? There is currently no link to the relevant project, and the text mislabels disambiguation pages as articles. I prefer the previous wording for MAIN_TEXT:

This page is part of '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation|WikiProject Disambiguation]]''', an attempt to structure and organize all [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation|disambiguation]] pages on Wikipedia. If you wish to help, you can [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:{{{page-title|{{PAGENAME}}}}}|action=edit}} edit the page] attached to this talk page, or visit the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation|project page]], where you can join the project and/or contribute to the [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation |discussion]].

--Muchness (talk) 02:14, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Done. - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 22:31, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. – b_jonas 15:44, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Wording

Isn't

"... an attempt to structure and organize all ..."

a little downbeat, even if the untagged backlog were known to be growing? How about -- since WP is always WiP --

"... an ongoing effort ..."

?--Jerzy•t 06:00, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Pointless?

What is the purpose of this tag? All disambiguation pages have various disambig templates already and are in Category:Disambiguation pages --Apoc2400 (talk) 18:49, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Edit Req

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Could the sandbox version be copied over to live. It implements the substcheck & listas of WPBannerMeta. Thanks. -- WOSlinker (talk) 18:46, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Is the removal of nested intentional? -- JHunterJ (talk) 19:33, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, nested has no longer been needed since changes were made to WikiProjectBannerShell in November 2008. -- WOSlinker (talk) 19:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

 Done with this edit. -- JHunterJ (talk) 22:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Error

{{editprotected}} In this template, when it is used on a template's talk page (see Template talk:Disambig), when it says to edit the attached page, it links to an article (i.e. it doesn't including the Template: namespace at the beginning of the link). Could this be fixed? Logan | Talk 22:44, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Done. --- RockMFR 02:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Class= (again)

One good reason for using the "|class=" parameter is to set it to "|class=Dab". Without this, the utility to display an assessment of an article's quality as part of the page header for each article cannot recognise dab pages . (The utility can be enabled by going to my preferences and selecting the Gadget tab). Can we have "|class=" back, please -Arb. (talk) 19:57, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

The class parameter would be completely redundant in this banner, and I can't support adding it just to benefit an unrelated gadget. What you really need is a change in the behavior of the gadget itself. The gadget already recognises {{SIA}} (see Khoro (rural locality)); what it needs is a change to make it recognise {{Disambig}}. That's something you should take up with whoever created or maintains the gadget, though. PC78 (talk) 00:38, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

You could always hard-code |class=Disambig in the template. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:18, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Sure, that at least would remove the need for a bot run to add the parameter to pages using this banner. But as I see it, the problem here lies with the gadget, so a solution should ideally be found there. PC78 (talk) 12:25, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

The gadget already recognizes {{disambig}}, so I don't see what the problem is here. Gary King (talk) 16:00, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

It would definitely be redundant. Disambiguation pages actually work best for the script as they are now: Since it can identify a page from the disambiguation template alone, there's no need to waste resources requesting and parsing the talk page in those cases; likewise for set index articles, redirects, and articles with no talk page. (The HTTP request for the talk page accounts for most of the time the script takes to run.) If it doesn't seem to be recognizing a particular disambiguation page, it's either a bug or a browser issue. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 16:15, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

As far as I can tell the gadget isn't working properly. At Atlas (disambiguation) (for example) I'm getting "An unassessed article from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". That's with both Firefox 3.5 and IE7, so I'm still inclined to think that there's something wrong with the gadget. PC78 (talk) 22:43, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

It works fine for me at that page. Firefox 3.5, with the monobook.js version of the script. Gary King (talk) 22:47, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Do you mean you have the script enabled in your /monobook.js page rather than in "my preferences"? Perhaps that would explain why I'm having this problem and you're not, but I don't know enough about scripts to say. PC78 (talk) 23:08, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

This edit needs to be copied over to the gadget version for disambiguation pages to be detected correctly. Gary King (talk) 23:13, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion withdrawn: It is clearly the wrong way to deal with what turns out to be a long standing bug in the gadget. -Arb. (talk) 12:17, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup Parameter

Hi all, what thoughts do you have about adding a cleanup parameter to this project banner? "Cleanup=yes", for example, would add the page to Category:Disambiguation pages needing cleanup, as well as display some sort of message box, under the banner, such as this one:

Let me know what you think. Cheers, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 13:19, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

We already have the {{disambig}} vs {{disambig-cleanup}} pair of templates, for that. Duplicating it here would be confusing/redundant. -- Quiddity (talk) 19:15, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I was unaware of {{disambig-cleanup}}. Still, might it be a replacement for {{disambig-cleanup}}? It unclutters the disambiguation page, while gives more function to this template. Also, it seems like Category:Disambiguation pages in need of cleanup is currently underused. It would be similar to {{WikiProject Biography}}'s "attention" parameter. Your thoughts? Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 21:32, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

{{disambig-cleanup}} is widely used by this project's participants, and Category:Disambiguation pages in need of cleanup is actively patrolled - It varies in size from 30 entries to 200 entries, in any given month. It's had a backlog tag added and removed a few times this year [1].

Your idea/intent was good, but we already have a workflow that encompasses cleanup, with the existing templates. :)

Perhaps instead, we should make the line at Template:Disambig/doc that mentions the existing cleanup template, more noticeable? Or anywhere else you might have looked-but-not-found the existing template? -- Quiddity (talk) 00:49, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

It would be better to add a parameter to the existing banner rather than have a new template, i.e. {{DisambigProject|cleanup=yes}} which would produce:

But I agree that such a feature would be redundant to the existing {{disambig-cleanup}} template. I don't really see the point in either duplicating or replacing it. PC78 (talk) 22:43, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Span=plainlinks

{{editprotected}} Please add <span class=plainlinks> before
[{{fullurl:{{{page-title|{{SUBJECTPAGENAME}}}}}|action=edit}} edit the page]
and </span> after. I don't like that arrow much...SWFlash

 Done, cheers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 16:15, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request 07 August 2011

There is a version in the sandbox that would add the main cat for the tagged talk pgs of the project, and remove the unneeded "key" for the category parameter. The reason I'm requesting the main cat option is to be able to compare the pgs in Category:All disambiguation pages with the talk pgs in Category:WikiProject Disambiguation pages. Thanks, --Funandtrvl (talk) 17:53, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

 Done -- WOSlinker (talk) 21:37, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Would be useful to add the 'needs-attention' parameter

I was hoping to add 'needs-attention=yes' to new dab page (I created) Thiên. It would be a rarely used parameter, but could be useful in circumstances like this one ... I've like no familiarity with Vietnamese personal name syntax. Regards --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 03:00, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps Thiên should be merged into Thien, as the only difference in those titles is diacritics? wbm1058 (talk) 20:25, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 26 December 2016

Replace the construct "and/or" with simply "or", per MOS:ANDOR. Thanks! – voidxor 21:30, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Done Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, GeoffreyT2000 (talk, contribs) 01:50, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 16 August 2018

Right now, adding this template to Talk pages is failing to "assessment classify" the related articles as "Disambig" pages – is there a way to fix this, so this template starts correctly "assessing" articles as "Disambig" pages?... Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:52, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

IJBall, I'm not sure what change to make to the template. Can you link me to an article where this incorrect behavior is happening? (Please reactivate the request once you've added one.) Enterprisey (talk!) 01:43, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

@Enterprisey: Take a look at my articles created page – the following pages are all "unknown" classification, rather than "Disambig", even though this template is at their Talk pages: Going Straight (disambiguation), Ardhangini, Matthew Underwood, A Wrinkle in Time (disambiguation). Contrast that with Burke's Law and Holding the Baby which are correctly "classified" as Disambig. pages by the {{WikiProject Television}} banner template. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:51, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

IJBall, what do you mean by you are seeing "unknown" classification - where are you seeing this on the page? Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:06, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

It doesn't appear on the page, but in the various lists and reports that classify articles by status (stub, Start, C, FA, etc.). It seems to come down to the fact that the banner templates of other projects can detect a dab page and hence have it classify as "Disambig", while the banner template of the Disambig project itself apparently doesn't classify articles at all, and hence pages tagged by it appear in the various reports as "Unknown". – Uanfala (talk) 17:10, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Ah, thanks, misread IJBall's comment, the unknown is on xtools. I don't think this is solvable by editing the template, I think it'd require a change to Xtools, which I think is checking/parsing the page to find out if it is a disambiguation page by looking for "class = disambig" per the source code.. Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:23, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

@Galobtter: Is there an Xtools talk page/request page, then? Thanks! P.S. Also, are we sure there's no way to add some sort of "class = disambig" parameter to this template?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:26, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Ok I realized now that xtools uses mw:Extension:PageAssessments as to get the page assessments so this should be fixable here, will fix soon Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:41, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

IJBall,  Done. It'll take a really long time for this to propagate though (it requires a null edit to the talk page update things), but xtools should start showing those as disambiguation pages soon Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:20, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

@Galobtter: Awesome! Thanks a bunch! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:22, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Tracking category

I'm planning to add a tracking category to this template to help me test Module:Disambiguation. The code is on Template:WikiProject Disambiguation/sandbox — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:57, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 11 April 2021

Please change <span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:{{{page-title|{{SUBJECTPAGENAME}}}}}|action=edit}} edit the page]</span> to [[Special:EditPage/{{SUBJECTPAGENAME}}]]. 54nd60x (talk) 04:03, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Why do this? We usually show these with plainlinks. Elli (talk | contribs) 04:47, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Elli: What about [[Special:EditPage/{{SUBJECTPAGENAME}}|edit the page]]? The plain link show is no longer working for me and it's always better to use a special page instead, see Template_talk:No_article_text/Archive_1#Protected_edit_request_on_14_July_2020. 54nd60x (talk) 12:38, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@54nd60x: I see your point, I still think the link should be surrounded with a plainlinks class. If you don't object to that I can make the change. Elli (talk | contribs) 12:41, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Elli: What I meant was that even with the plainlinks class, it no longer works with external links. I think that it's still better to use Special:EditPage. 54nd60x (talk) 12:47, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@54nd60x: I'm not objecting to the use of Special:EditPage here. Elli (talk | contribs) 12:57, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Elli: So what do you think would be a better solution? 54nd60x (talk) 12:59, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@54nd60x: I'm not saying "we shouldn't use Special:EditPage", I'm wondering if you'd also like the plainlinks class removed, and if so, why? Elli (talk | contribs) 13:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Elli: Yes, I do want plainlinks class removed, because it isn't showing plain links and is still showing external links when used here. 54nd60x (talk) 13:02, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

BTW I use Timeless skin, for which it used to work but no longer works. 54nd60x (talk) 13:03, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@54nd60x: this is an issue with the Timeless skin then, I would assume, and removing the plainlinks class from every link on the wiki is not a good solution... just get the skin fixed. Elli (talk | contribs) 13:03, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Elli: Ok. I will find a way to request to fix the skin then. 54nd60x (talk) 13:05, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Something which needs fixing?

If no one has yet noticed, there are many instances of "Category:Disambig-Class (WikiProject) articles" where the class assessment for the WP has suddenly changed from Category-Class to Disambig-Class. Since none of the cats I spot-checked have been edited in years, I can only assume this occurred due to changes made to this template and its usage on those category talk pages. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 06:48, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

It may be related to a new feature on {{class mask}} which is designed to automatically detect disambiguation pages. Perhaps it is incorrectly identifying these pages because of the Disambig in the name. I'll look into it. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:35, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

 Fixed, thanks for reporting — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:49, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Template image

Please change the image from File:Disambig.svg to File:Dabcleanup.png to avoid the template box looking like a warning message. — HTGS (talk) 05:51, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: This should be discussed first. Also that specific image seems too tall to be used. Galobtter (talk) 05:54, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Galobtter. What is the height max limit on the image? — HTGS (talk) 23:12, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

"Template:DisProject" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Template:DisProject has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 26 § Template:DisProject until a consensus is reached. Jay 💬 11:27, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Also for Template:DisPro. Jay 💬 11:28, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at template talk page of Template talk:Talk page of disambiguation page

At the current time, it is being discussed at TfD about what to do with Template:Talk page of disambiguation page, which is asserted to have a similar purpose as this WikiProject banner, which both templates in question would typically be placed on the talk pages of disambiguation pages. There is a substantial amount of discussion on that template talk, so in the event that one of these templates goes away as a result of the TfD, this is the entire content of the discussion held at Template talk:Talk page of disambiguation page:

Extended content

Sandboxing @SMcCandlish: Yeah, it looks great. I created the maintenance category following the Category:Talk pages of redirects as an example and used the same hidden tracking category as the parent. Feel free to make any changes. One thing I noticed, though, is when the Category:Talk pages of disambiguation pages was created, the transcluded Template:Talk page of disambiguation page/sandbox removed the previous redlinked category (see what I mean at Talk:Idles). I'm not quite sure why. Any idea? If it's because you have it set to add the talk page to Category:Talk pages of disambiguation page, without the plural page, can you just update the coding to use the plural? Alternatively, you could possibly boldly move the category without leaving a redirect, maybe. Not sure if that's the issue, though. Anywhoo... Cheers, --Doug Mehus T·C 18:47, 25 January 2020 (UTC) SMcCandlish, okay, starting now I'll reduce my 'thanks' for you. What would you say is a fair number of 'thanks log' and discussion pings from me? No more than once of either type per day? --Doug Mehus T·C 18:44, 27 January 2020 (UTC) Weird, see, now that you've moved it out of the sandbox, it's not adding the applicable tracking category at Talk:Idles. Bug? --Doug Mehus T·C 18:50, 27 January 2020 (UTC) Also, I see you re-ordered the talk page headers at Talk:Idles. Honestly, I've never read through the MoS, but have just been ordering the TP header tags in the following format (as applicable): Old XfDs (in reverse chronological order), WikiProject headers (in a shell, if more than one), TP header template applicable to the type of page, "not a forum" for frequently off-topic forums, old move requests (if any), and, finally, various other templates in no set order. Is there an actual preferred placement order to these things? --Doug Mehus T·C 18:50, 27 January 2020 (UTC) Not officially, but I order them by "What do we actually need someone to see, what are they most likely to care about otherwise, and what is trivia we're piling up here for lack of somewhere else to put it?" order. So, a notice that they probably shouldn't use using this page is no. 1, project stuff they might conceivably care bout no. 2, and XfD administrivia last. If there were something exciting at a talk page like FA or got mentioned in the news, I would put that above project banners. Other people might approach all of this differently, though.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  02:22, 28 January 2020 (UTC) Whatever was up with it during testing, it is working properly now as far as I can determine.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:00, 27 January 2020 (UTC) SMcCandlish, Hrm, before, when Talk:Idles was using the sandboxed version, the sandboxed version automatically added category Category:Talk pages of disambiguation pages, which I thought was useful. {{talk page of redirect}} does this as well, as I recall. Is there any way you tweak the coding to automatically add that category when the template is added? It's useful for tracking which dab pages have the tag added. When I have more time in the spring, I'd like to reconcile all our disambiguation pages and add the disambiguation WikiProject and this header to their applicable talkpages. Doug Mehus T·C 19:08, 27 January 2020 (UTC) Oh, no, please don't. Feel free to propose it at WT:WPDAB, but please don't add it to any large number of pages without discussion. There's generally a preference against having dab talk pages with such placeholder content (see the documentation of Template:WikiProject Disambiguation). Some version of the current template may be useful in some limited circumstances, but I really don't see its applicability in the general case. There's nothing wrong if a discussion concerning a dab page is carried out on that dab page's talk, and in fact that's what happens most of the time: escalation to the project talk page usually only occurs if those involved fail to reach agreement. As for the lengthy text about RMs: this is not wrong, but not necessary either: it applies to RMs involving a move of a dab to or away from a primary topic, which would be a multi-move request, and so advertised by RMCDbot on all the pages concerned, so it will be largely immaterial where the discussion takes place. – Uanfala (talk) 19:23, 27 January 2020 (UTC) Or maybe the template has some uses that I'm not foreseeing? – Uanfala (talk) 19:29, 27 January 2020 (UTC) See the template's own documentation (which is new). It is not placeholder content for the creation of DAB talk pages to hold such placeholders. It's a maintenance-category tag and a "you probably don't want to actually use this page" notice for DAB talk pages that already exist. Getting them all tagged and categorized is probably the fastest and easiest way to track down otherwise-empty DAB talk pages, and pointless ones (e.g. have nothing else on them but a WikiProject Disambiguation banner) and mass-nominate them for deletion, while retaining the small percentage that have actual discussion on them, or which have mandatory stuff on them like XfD results/history tags.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:34, 27 January 2020 (UTC) PS: We might actually just seek to delete {{WikiProject Disambiguation}} since it doesn't really serve a purpose. The wikiproject might, but the banner does not. Or it could be merged with this one, but I don't really see anything useful in "spamming" every DAB talk page with notice that there's a tiny maintenance-oriented wikiproject about such pages. Maintenance categorization serves a maintenance purpose but "advertising" that maintenance exists probably does not.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:42, 27 January 2020 (UTC) PS: This template now adds the wikiproject's category, so the wikiproject template really has no reason to separately exist. Should probably just be redirected to this template, though I would propose that at WP:TFD rather than just go do it. Wikiproject people sometimes get territorial. On second thought: If WP:WikiProject Disambiguation want to retain {{WikiProject Disambiguation}}, for tagging things (e.g. project namespace pages, templates, etc.) that pertain the project, I suppose {{WikiProject Disambiguation}}} could be hacked so that if used on a "Talk:" namespace page it just outputs a call to {{Talk page of disambiguation page}}.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  01:40, 28 January 2020 (UTC) Actually, regarding the merger, I was wondering how advanced your coding skills are...would it be hard to include this template's coding into {{WikiProject Disambiguation}} with a parameter like "TPheader=[yes/no]" where it is enabled or not? If "yes," it displays the dab talk page header and adds to the applicable hidden category. Doug Mehus T·C 01:46, 28 January 2020 (UTC) That would not be technically difficult, but would result in a feature people will not remember to use, and would have to manually go use a zillion times retroactively, to do anything useful (i.e., they won't do it). It would make more sense to have their template output this one ({{Talk page of disambiguation page}}) when used in a circumstance that calls for it, and just do their project "advertising" otherwise. Much of the goal here is to get every talk page of a DAB page categorized. Doing it this way would get us most of the way to that goal instantly, without any need for a bot, probably, to finish off the rest of them.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  02:22, 28 January 2020 (UTC) That's true...that reminds me of all the WikiProjects that have task forces and sub-task forces with parameters lots of people (myself included) forget to specify. I agree that this header is more useful and we could probably merge the {{WikiProject Disambiguation}} header into this one, with a single line and perhaps a small logo (at the top or at the bottom) that says it's within the scope of the WikiProject Disambiguation. Doug Mehus T·C 02:44, 28 January 2020 (UTC) I'd been thinking of that, too. However, it's going to need to look quite different when it's on the DAB-talk page (should look like this template not that one) versus when it's on something else, like very page we're commenting at now (should look like the project template not the DAB-talk template). It's kind of complicated in that 100% of DAB talk pages both should be tag-categorized as such and are also within that project scope, so it seems inefficient to have two templates. Meanwhile 0% of non-DAB-talk pages should be tagged as DAB-talks with this template or otherwise, even when they are within the project's scope for other reasons. But not merging or at least implementing a call from the project tag to the maint-catting tag would cost us the ability to just auto-categorize the majority of DAB-talk pages.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:42, 28 January 2020 (UTC) Dmehus, The template is adding the category; that's what the template is for. That category is showing up at Talk:Idles. If it isn't for you, then you probably need to clear some browser cache or something. You should be seeing (at that talk page): Categories: WikiProject Disambiguation pages Hidden categories: Talk pages of disambiguation pages If you are not, and if clearing cache, reloading, logging out and in again, etc., don't fix it, you may not have turned on the "Show hidden categories" option in your site-wide Preferences menu.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:34, 27 January 2020 (UTC) (edit conflict) SMcC, thanks for the reply...here's what I'm seeing: Screenshot of Talk:Idles dab page; dated 27 January 2020; taken by Dmehus. -DM Doug Mehus T·C 19:44, 27 January 2020 (UTC) Then one or another of the solutions I mentioned should fix it. I would start with ensuring you have hidden categories turned on. Then try a WP:PURGE. Failing that, the blunt-force approach to this is to log out, nuke all en.wikipedia.org cookies, and log back in. The categorization system also has some latency to it, and I think it can depend on exactly which server in the farm you reach. Intervening systems can also cause such issues (e.g. ISP-level caching). I've had cases before where an article would not show up in a category (for me, but would for someone else) for something like a week. Last time that happened, it went away when I looked at it from somewhere in the world (through a VPN), probably getting a completely different WMF server box than the one that tends to respond to my home IP address's requests. Sometimes editing the category page itself and doing another purge can help.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:56, 27 January 2020 (UTC) I did try the purge button, and forcing a refresh with "Ctrl" (if that even still does anything these days). I hope it's not a Vivaldi-specific bug; have encountered a few oddities since finally moving away from Chrome. What browser do you use? Doug Mehus T·C 20:01, 27 January 2020 (UTC) Good thought on ISP-level caching, assuming this is different than DNS caching, as it hadn't occurred to me ISPs do that. DNS-wise, I'm using 1.1.1.1. Will try the blunt-force approach. Doug Mehus T·C 20:03, 27 January 2020 (UTC) Right this moment, I'm using Chrome on a Mac. Anyway, I just put the same template on Talk:Eight-ball (disambiguation) and am seeing all categories that I should be, given the tags on the page.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  01:44, 28 January 2020 (UTC) SMcCandlish, Okay, I looked in Category:Talk pages of disambiguation pages, and it's clearly adding the talk pages to the category, but can still not see the "Hidden categories: Talk pages of disambiguation pages." I have tried clearing English Wikipedia cookies and, indeed, all Wikimedia Network cookies and restarting my web browser twice. Shouldn't have anything to do with DNS, but should I try a /flushdns, perhaps? Or can you think of anything else? Doug Mehus T·C 01:46, 28 January 2020 (UTC) Like I said a ways up, check your Preferences options, and make sure that hidden category display is on. It seems to be under Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  02:24, 28 January 2020 (UTC) Thank you Oops, I must've missed that. Well, gosh, that worked. How did my hidden categories get unchecked? Weird. I was worried I had a conflict with a recent script installation in my common.js file. Did you, by chance, make a slight coding tweak? Reason I ask is because a few days ago, {{Talk page of disambiguation page}} was displaying Category:Talk pages of disambiguation pages as a non-hidden category. It probably makes more sense as a hidden category, actually. Now that I'm thinking about it...I wonder if {{WikiProject Disambiguation}} should be tweaked to display that as a hidden category. Would that be a change you could make boldly, or would it be best to get consensus first? Doug Mehus T·C 02:51, 28 January 2020 (UTC) Not sure. Would need to see what is usually done with wikiproject categories, and whether any are hidden (e.g. because they're internal-maintenance-focused and have nothing to do with reader-facing content and working on it). I would need to look into what even sets a category as hidden; I suspect it's something done at the category level by a "This is a hidden/maint category" banner over there, though I'm embarassed to say I don't actually know yet. Something I meant to look up years ago and just forgot about.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:42, 28 January 2020 (UTC) Wording of the text I've asked for more feedback at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation#Template:Talk page of disambiguation page. Feel free to comment there. – Uanfala (talk) 14:23, 13 February 2020 (UTC) I've just removed the more unusual bits of the text. I don't have any strong opinion on what this template should say (as long as it doesn't say things that are contrary to existing practice), but in my opinion it will be most helpful if it links to either WP:DDD or MOS:DAB (which should provide answers to most questions people are likely to ask). The statement about there likely being few watchers could also be expanded with some piece of advice along the following lines: if your discussion hasn't attracted any participation, consider bringing it up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation. – Uanfala (talk) 16:32, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

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