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To help centralize discussions and keep related topics together, the talk pages of all speedy deletion ("db-name-notice") and post-deletion ("db-name-deleted") notice templates redirect here. Please specify which one(s) you're referring to in any thread you start.

Additionally param's template text needs a comma

Please change

{{<includeonly>safesubst:</includeonly>#ifeq: {{{additionally|}}}|||Additionally {{{additionally}}}}}<noinclude>

to

{{<includeonly>safesubst:</includeonly>#ifeq: {{{additionally|}}}|||Additionally, {{{additionally}}}}}<noinclude>

I did not like how I had to put an en dash in Template:Db-llm-deleted, otherwise it would have been "Additionally if you would like", which lacks a comma. The missing-comma use is seen in Template:Db-a10-notice and elsewhere. —Alalch E. 14:51, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion of draftify related template phrasing

The following discussion might be of interest to you:

Wikipedia talk:Deletion policy#Incubation and the draftify-related standardized language.

Regards, CapnZapp (talk) 13:27, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove wikilink from heading

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Replace with {{Db-notice/sandbox}} to remove link from heading per MOS:HEAD:

For technical reasons, section headings should [...] [n]ot contain links, especially where only part of a heading is linked. [...] These technical restrictions are necessary to avoid technical complications and are not subject to override by local consensus.

The CSD page is still linked in every message, for example {{Db-nonsense-notice}}, so this isn't removing the link. FaviFake (talk) 17:37, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit template-protected}} template. That guideline is widely ignored outside of article space (that MOS page says that it applies to articles) and links in headers do not appear to cause any harm (unlike templates). It is possible that something has changed that makes those technical restrictions no longer applicable. I recommend opening a discussion at the relevant MOS talk page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:49, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jonesey95 One harm I can think of is mobile users being unable to expand a section because if they try, they get sent to the link. (Also, the link is redundant, as I said) I've posed a {{please see}} at MOS:MOS FaviFake (talk) 17:54, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Simplification effort

I've started a rewording effort at {{db-llm-notice/sandbox}} to trim superfluous parts of the template and make the core message more readable. While having specific criteria is essential for admins to know when (or when not) to delete, these same specifics can be too much for a newcomer-oriented warning and might bury the important aspects (why the page is being tagged for deletion, how to contest it, where to ask for help). I'm thinking that this could also be adapted to other {{db-notice}}-derived templates (and possibly even the core template's wording), as many of them are extremely wordy and not newcomer-friendly at all. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:47, 17 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Chaotic Enby I like these changes. The status quo is horrible for new users. (Any thoughts on § Simplification effort, to in a way also help new users?) FaviFake (talk) 15:36, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

More simplification

I was looking at {{db-notice-multiple}}, which can easily be one of the most overwhelming notices in terms of length and seriousness, making for a pretty poor user onboarding experience. There is a lot of redundant wording in that template, and I am thinking of simplifying the first paragraph from:

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice that [[:{{{1}}}]], a page that you created, has been tagged for deletion. This has been done under two or more of the criteria for speedy deletion, by which pages can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly defined criteria, then it may soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are:

to

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. [[:{{{1}}}]], which you created, has been tagged under two or more of the criteria for speedy deletion. The page can be deleted without discussion if it meets any of these strictly defined criteria:

And similarly for the alternate wording, which can be changed from:

A tag has been placed on [[:{{{1}}}]], requesting that it be deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under two or more of the criteria for speedy deletion, by which pages can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly defined criteria, then it may soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are:

to

A tag has been placed on [[:{{{1}}}]], requesting that it be deleted under two or more of the criteria for speedy deletion. The page can be deleted without discussion if it meets any of these strictly defined criteria:

Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 19:47, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

While we're auditing the Department of Redundancy Department:

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by [[:{{{target}}}|visiting the page]] and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.

can be simplified to

You may explain why you think the page should not be deleted by [[:{{{target}}}|visiting the page]] and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself.

Unlike the previous one, this part is common to all {{db-notice}} instances. It won't help to link a user to our whole list of policies just after they got their page tagged for speedy deletion, that's not a realistic or focused amount of reading. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:03, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Always displaying U5" bug

Howdy. {{subst:db-deleted-multiple|1=NovemBot|2=G11|3=G15}} ~~~~ is currently rendering as...

Speedy deletion of NovemBot

If this was the first article that you created, you may want to read the guide to writing your first article.
You may want to consider using the Article Wizard to help you create articles.

The page NovemBot has been deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under two or more of the criteria for speedy deletion, by which pages can be deleted at any time, without discussion. As the page met any of these strictly-defined criteria, it was deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been deleted are:

It seemed to be unambiguous advertising which only promoted a company, product, group, service, person, or point of view and would need to have been fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. (See section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.
It was an obviously LLM-generated page. (See section G15 of the criteria for speedy deletion.)
It appeared to consist of writings, information, discussions, and/or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals. Please note that Wikipedia is not a free Web hosting service. (See section U5 of the criteria for speedy deletion.)

Please do not recreate the material without addressing these concerns, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If you think this page should not have been deleted for this reason, or you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:57, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You'll notice that the 3 bullets are for G11, G15, and U5. G11 and G15 are correct, but U5 is a bug.

Can someone help fix the bug? A correct rendering of this template would not have the U5 bullet. Thanks!

Context: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation#G15 speedy notices on user talk pages –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:57, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]