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==[[Garda Síochána Reserve]]==
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== [[Loughmoe Castle]] ==

I've created tha article for [[Loughmoe Castle]]. Since you've edited the page for [[Loughmore]], I thought you might have some information to add! [[User:Condem|<span style="color:blue;">ConDem</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Condem|<span style="color:red;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 21:22, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
:Feel free to add any information you have directly to the [[Loughmoe Castle]] article! By the way, remember to sign your posts on talk pages with four tildes, like this: '''<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>''' . This will produce your username, and the time you made your comment. [[User:Condem|<span style="color:blue;">ConDem</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Condem|<span style="color:red;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 21:37, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
::No problem. Since you're pretty new, here are some links you might find useful! 
: [[Image:Crystal Clear app ksmiletris.png|23px]] &nbsp; '''[[Wikipedia:Five pillars|The five pillars of Wikipedia]]'''
: [[Image:Crystal package utilities.png|23px]] &nbsp; '''[[Wikipedia:How to edit a page|How to edit a page]]'''
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[[User:Condem|<span style="color:blue;">ConDem</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Condem|<span style="color:red;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 21:44, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
::Oh, and feel free to contact me on my talk page for help, etc! [[User:Condem|<span style="color:blue;">ConDem</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Condem|<span style="color:red;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 21:45, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
:::No problem! [[User:Condem|<span style="color:blue;">ConDem</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Condem|<span style="color:red;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 17:43, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

== Michael McDowell ==

Thanks for your message.  I agree with your point that constitutionally a TD ceases to be a TD when the Dáil is dissolved - but elsewhere in Wikipedia they appear to  be listed as TDs up to the date of the election.  Whichever method is used, I think it should be consistent.  [[User:DrFrench|DrFrench]] 16:07, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

==Joe O'Reilly==
I would respectfully ask you not to redirect Joe O'Reilly to John Joe O'Reilly. I discovered while creating entry to Members of 23rd Seanad that there was no entry for Joe O'Reilly but that the page was re directed to John Joe O'Reilly a person who died some years ago and was coincicently also a politician. Joe O'Reilly is alive and well and merits an article as a serving national politician. John Joe O'Reilly who had a different albeit similar name can no longer take the page for Joe O'Reilly in my opinion. [[User:Rigger30|Rigger30]] 12:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

:Oh... oops. My fault. I figured you were changing the re-direct as vandalism, which is completely wrong. My fault, I'm sorry. However,  since the redirect was legit, a disamb page is probably in order. Or something to that effect. But I should not have reverted your edits, for which I apologize. [[User:Gscshoyru|Gscshoyru]] 12:03, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

No need to apologise! I suspect you had't time to read all the article. You meant well! [[User:Rigger30|Rigger30]] 12:05, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

If you could creat disamb page it would be great. Relatively new to this and not sure how to do it! [[User:Rigger30|Rigger30]] 12:07, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

:That makes two of us... I'm not that good at content-adding. But, the reference is here: [[WP:D]] So try that. And thanks for understanding. [[User:Gscshoyru|Gscshoyru]] 12:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

== Category listings ==

Hi, When adding new articles or new categories, please include the persons surname and name (in that order) after the category title to ensure that they are listed correctly in the category concerned. Better still, use the DEFAULTSORT option (see Wiki markup box). Look at the end of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=R%C3%B3n%C3%A1n_Mullen&diff=prev&oldid=147398751 these changes] to see what I mean. Keep up the good work.--[[User:Damac|Damac]] 06:45, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


=={{{header-text|[[:Aindrias Ó Caoimh]]}}}==
A tag has been placed on [[:Aindrias Ó Caoimh]], requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the [[WP:CSD#Articles|criteria for speedy deletion]], because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see [[Wikipedia:Stub#Essential information about stubs|Wikipedia:Stub]] for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on [[Wikipedia:Notability|notable]] subjects and should provide references to [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verify]] their content. 

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you plan to expand the article, you can request that [[Wikipedia:Administrators|administrators]] wait a while for you to add contextual material.  To do this, affix the template '''<code>{{tl|hangon}}</code>''' to the article and state your intention on the article's [[Help:Talk page|talk page]]. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this.<!-- Template:Empty-warn --> --[[User:Darkwind|Darkwind]] [[User talk:Darkwind|(talk)]] 08:08, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

:I noticed this article removal and wondered if this was the Irish Attorney General. I would have though him a notable Irish person. [[User:Ww2censor|ww2censor]] 17:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

This guy was/is an Irish High Court Judge and is currently a judge of the European Court of Justice, or is listed on the wikipedia ECJ page as a member. [[User:Rigger30|Rigger30]] 14:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:No need to reply with a copy of this whole post on my talk page as I like to keep discussions together. I watch you page if I post here. 
:I see you recreated the page but without content—you really need to add some content even with the hangon tag. Both names are spelt in many different ways: Andreas, Andrias, O'Cuív, and occasionally in the English—O'Keeffe. I posted some extra info on the talk page for you. I will see what I can dig up. [[User:Ww2censor|ww2censor]] 15:43, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
::You should look at [[Attorney General of Ireland]] to see that your new article is linking to the AG I referred to in my post on the talk page, so a disambiguation page will be needed or different article titles. You should probably put in at least as much as is in the [[Niall Fennelly]] page. [[User:Ww2censor|ww2censor]] 16:13, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

:::The guy who was Attorney General was a different guy. I have way of proving this for article purposes but the dates for his being attorney general are in the 1950s. As the guy we are discussing was a High Court Judge quite recently the ages wouldn't add up given that judges have to retire at I think it's 70 years. I'll dig more probably related. As for updating the article all i see when i go to the article is the deletion log. [[User:Rigger30|Rigger30]] 21:57, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

::::That is what I told you. They both have the same name which is why I suggested there needs to be a disambiguation page and the names should be moved to some slightly more appropriate name as Wikipedia cannot have two articles of the same name. Andreas Ó Caoimh was a well respected AG and legal personage, just an notable as the current High Court Judge. I don't have any more biographical info on the ex-AGs but his work on the Lawless definitely makes him notable. Your current judge does not have any specific notable things written about him online that I can find and time seems irrelevant to their notability besides 8 years as AG is quite significant being the longest holder of that position jointly with [[Colm Condon]]. I suggest a renaming to [[Aindrias Ó Caoimh (Attorney General)]] and [[Aindrias Ó Caoimh (High Court judge)]] with a disambig page with the current name. when you have assembled some facts about the current judge. [[User:Ww2censor|ww2censor]] 22:41, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::Actually I decided to make the disambiguation page and made your judge [[Aindrias Ó Caoimh (barrister)]] and his father is now at [[Aindrias Ó Caoimh (Attorney General)]] where a good bit of additional info has been added. have a look at [[List of Members of the European Court of Justice]] to see that they were both already listed there for quite some time. [[User:Ww2censor|ww2censor]] 03:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

That's where i originally created the page from. I saw there was no link and made the page with the intention of going back to it. I was doing some work creating and updating pages for Irish Supreme Court Judges at the time. In the end the page was dropped before I got a chance to return to it. Thanks for your input and help much appreciated [[User:Rigger30|Rigger30]] 15:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
:Don't stop looking for more info and making constructive edits. If you need any help in the future, just ask. [[User:Ww2censor|ww2censor]] 16:08, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

In the process of putting what I found up at the moment![[User:Rigger30|Rigger30]] 16:10, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

==Irish articles assessments==
It seems that the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland/Assessment|assessment of Irish articles]] has fallen off the radar but recently [[User:Flowerpotman|Flowerpotman]], [[User:Sarah777|Sarah777]] and I have been doing a little work on this as well as actually classifying articles (actually Sarah has done the most work). Anyway, you are listed as a [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland/Members|member of the WikiProject]] hence this post.

* The first thing that needs doing is to work on the WikiProject template. Actually there are two templates both of which get recorded by the assessment statistics bot that collects the ratings and creates the listings in the category [[:Category:Ireland articles by quality]]. The two project templates are {{tl|Irelandproj}} [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland|listed on the main project page]] and {{tl|WikiProject Ireland}} [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland/Assessment|listed on the assessment page]]&mdash;the first allows both quality and importance rating as well as nesting but no reviewer comments, while the second allows quality rating and comments but the importance does not seem to work and comments are not included. This needs to be fixed, so we use one that works fully&mdash;can you help?

* The next thing is to decide if we just let editors assess as they wish or to create some criteria or guidelines for rating the quality and importance of the Irish articles. Personally I am in favour of some guidelines&mdash;some will be easy to decide while others are a little more complex. What do you think?

* Some projects make lists of articles for assessment while other go after groups of articles by category. What should we do? A mixture of both by using a "To do list"?

* As of the last assessment statistics bot run on Sunday, August 20, only 1462 articles have been tagged, of which 1156 have been assessed for quality but 660 of these have no importance value.

* Besides these 1462 there must be hundreds more untagged articles that should be tagged when we get the template issue mentioned above fixed. 

We are not bad in our assessments but some projects have all their articles assessed while others are lacking more than we are. We can really use a few active editors to bring assessments to the fore. Please reply on the [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland/Assessment|assessment talk page]] as to what you can do. Please help out. [[User:Ww2censor|ww2censor]] 17:30, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:The reply, as I requested above, should be to the project and not personally to me, so I will put it there for you. BTW, you might want to put the assessment page on your watch list. [[User:Ww2censor|ww2censor]] 15:43, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

==Terrence Slowey==
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== Ordering ==
It's all right! I've been a bit testy lately. Please see the talk page of Bertie Ahern. [[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] ([[User talk:Therequiembellishere|talk]]) 19:34, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

==L3205 road==
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==Unreferenced BLPs==
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==October 2010==
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== Community restrictions ==

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For the avoidance of doubt, the edit you just made is a revert to a previous version. [[User:O Fenian|O Fenian]] ([[User talk:O Fenian|talk]]) 12:13, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

==Arbitration enforcement==
See [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement]]. [[User:O Fenian|O Fenian]] ([[User talk:O Fenian|talk]]) 20:23, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

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==Arbitration enforcement action appeal by <rigger30>==

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; Appealing user : {{userlinks|<rigger30>}} – [[User:Rigger30|Rigger30]] ([[User talk:Rigger30#top|talk]]) 20:48, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

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===Statement by <rigger30>===

The text I edited was in NPOV language. It used the term 'volunteer' to describe IRA members. No neutral person in Ireland describes IRA members as such. The only organisation who usually do are Sein Fein who are the political wing of the IRA.

My logic for using the trem terrorist is as follows:
1. The IRA is a terrorist organisation under the Offences Against the State Act 1939 as amended.

2. The article had already stated the people were in jail for IRA offences. If they were in jail they were previously convicted by a court. As they were convicted for IRA offences they were terrorists as they were members of a terrorist organisation.

The editing of the piece about 'internment in all but name' was because of the non neutral point of view of the sentence.

Similarly with all my other edits

It is my opinion that the article as it appeared before my edits has a non neutral point of view which seems to be in favour of or lends credence to the IRA. 

For any editor who does not know the IRA is a terrorist organisation which led a terrorist campaign in Northern Ireland to overthrow the legitimate government of that country from 1969 to the late 1990s a campaign which led to the deaths of over 3,500 people and a multiple of injured.
[[User:Rigger30|Rigger30]] ([[User talk:Rigger30#top|talk]]) 20:56, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

===Statement by < Courcelles>===

===Statement by (involved editor 1)===

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===Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by <rigger30> ===

===Result of the appeal by <rigger30>===
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''
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==Talkback==
{{talkback|Mo ainm|ts=20:36, 31 October 2010 (UTC)}}
==I've reverted your changes to Helicopter escape article==

You appear to be unaware that the IRA is a terrorist organisation and that therefore any 'volunteer' as you term them are terrorists. Expressing the view that they are terrorists under the law because of their conviction by a court is not a NPOV it is a statement of fact.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rigger30|Rigger30]] ([[User talk:Rigger30|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rigger30|contribs]]) 20:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: Have a read of [[WP:TERRORIST]], what I think they are and what you think they are is not relevant. [[User:Mo ainm|<span style="color:#B22222;font-family:serif;text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''''Mo ainm'''''</span>]][[User talk:Mo ainm|<span style="color:black;font-family:cursive;font-size:80%">~Talk</span>]] 20:36, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Your, my or wikipedia's defintion of a terrorist is irrelevant as regards the IRA being a terrorist organisation. The only definition that applies is the one used in Irish law contained in the Offences Against the State Act 1939. That's the only one accepted by the Irish Courts.
[[User:Rigger30|Rigger30]] ([[User talk:Rigger30#top|talk]]) 20:55, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
: So if I find a quote that calls them freedom fighters which some people call them that is ok so. [[User:Mo ainm|<span style="color:#B22222;font-family:serif;text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''''Mo ainm'''''</span>]][[User talk:Mo ainm|<span style="color:black;font-family:cursive;font-size:80%">~Talk</span>]] 20:59, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
::If the only definition that applies is the one contained in the Offences Against the State Act 1939, that would be [http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1939/en/si/0162.html unlawful] since the word "terrorist" (or any similar word) appears nowhere in the Act. It would appear you have scored an own goal. [[User:O Fenian|O Fenian]] ([[User talk:O Fenian|talk]]) 21:02, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

And are you not a terrorist if you are convicted of being a member of an unlawful organisation? After all it was declared illegal for engaging in terrorist activities including the murder of soldiers, policemen and government officials in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and also in Ireland [[User:Rigger30|Rigger30]] ([[User talk:Rigger30#top|talk]]) 21:07, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

:"The only definition that applies is the one used in Irish law contained in the Offences Against the State Act 1939". [[User:O Fenian|O Fenian]] ([[User talk:O Fenian|talk]]) 21:10, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

: But you are missing the point they didn't consider themselves as terrorists but as freedom fighters, so we remain neutral and use neither term. Can you not see why we do this? [[User:Mo ainm|<span style="color:#B22222;font-family:serif;text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''''Mo ainm'''''</span>]][[User talk:Mo ainm|<span style="color:black;font-family:cursive;font-size:80%">~Talk</span>]] 21:11, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

No I'm not missing the point. The Irish parliament has passed a law that makes the IRA an illegal organisation because of the very real threat it poses to the safety and security of it's citizens and the citizens of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. What a terrorist organisation thinks of itself is irrelevant and should not be equated with the opinion of a legitimate government. [[User:Rigger30|Rigger30]] ([[User talk:Rigger30#top|talk]]) 21:21, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
: We are not a "legitimate government" we are an encyclopedia that strives to remain neutral it is one of our core policies see [[WP:NPOV]]. So we dont take a side no matter what we as editors feel.  [[User:Mo ainm|<span style="color:#B22222;font-family:serif;text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''''Mo ainm'''''</span>]][[User talk:Mo ainm|<span style="color:black;font-family:cursive;font-size:80%">~Talk</span>]] 21:25, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Terrorists are people who maim and kill, and in my experience usually innocent people going about their daily lives. 3,500 such people were killed during the conflict started by the IRA. Policemen and soldiers and government officials and innocent civilians are entitled to go about theri lawful business without being shot or blown to bits by terrorists. I won't bow to using terms other than terrorists to describe people who engage in such acts. I will also not change from calling people jailed for such activities terrorists. You can if you wish.
[[User:Rigger30|Rigger30]] ([[User talk:Rigger30#top|talk]]) 21:33, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
: Would that be like what is happening in Afghanistan were people at a wedding are blown to pieces is that a terrorist act? [[User:Mo ainm|<span style="color:#B22222;font-family:serif;text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''''Mo ainm'''''</span>]][[User talk:Mo ainm|<span style="color:black;font-family:cursive;font-size:80%">~Talk</span>]] 21:37, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah Al Qaeda are terrorists too you are beginning to see the picture! [[User:Rigger30|Rigger30]] ([[User talk:Rigger30#top|talk]]) 21:39, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
: It wasn't "Al Qaeda" it was the US that did it so is it still a terrorist act? [[User:Mo ainm|<span style="color:#B22222;font-family:serif;text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''''Mo ainm'''''</span>]][[User talk:Mo ainm|<span style="color:black;font-family:cursive;font-size:80%">~Talk</span>]] 21:42, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Legitimate actions of a legimate army in a war zone. Accidents happen. But most of them were terrorists and the terrorists started the war so what's your point? Legit Afgan govt needs American help a few people get killed in the crossfire. Sadly war is ugly. [[User:Rigger30|Rigger30]] ([[User talk:Rigger30#top|talk]]) 21:47, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
: So the killing of 40 civilians including two dozen children is ok, even when the afgan government have asked the US to stop the bombings. I know were your coming from now and it is just trying to score points. [[User:Mo ainm|<span style="color:#B22222;font-family:serif;text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''''Mo ainm'''''</span>]][[User talk:Mo ainm|<span style="color:black;font-family:cursive;font-size:80%">~Talk</span>]] 21:51, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Rigger30, I would give up on this. You are involved in an edit war with a clique of users who consider Irish Republicanism to be on a par with the red cross. Expect a sarcastic article depicting the IRA as angels to be considered a reliable source to pop up shortly.[[User:Factocop|Factocop]] ([[User talk:Factocop|talk]]) 10:42, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Factocop, I'm well aware who I'm dealing with. I reckon your prediction is right. I edited the article to begin with because I hate seeing factual inaccuracies in an article which was linked to the Mainpage. The IRA are a terrorist organisation who wish to overthrow the legitimate government of a constituent part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
who are despite much provocation over the years very understanding of the consequent difficulties caused to the governance of Ireland. All the IRA wish to do is promote bigotry and hatred of anyone with a British identity. True Irish people respect the wishes of all on the island of Ireland to identify with Ireland, the UK, neither or both. [[User:Rigger30|Rigger30]] ([[User talk:Rigger30#top|talk]]) 13:31, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

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