View source for Template talk:More footnotes needed

==Really??==
jesus, this is really picky. you're saying the article ''has'' sources, ''lists'' references, and so on, but because they're not linked to the exact places in the text that they're cited ''from'' that an entire nag template needs to be placed on the article? don't you think that's a little silly? as if people are going to magically understand earth penetrating weapons ''so much better'' if the article had footnotes in specific places rather than a list of sources. come on, really. <b>...&nbsp;</b><span style="background-color: #11cbc4;width:52px;height:16px;font-size:12px;p{text-align:center}">[[user:avriette|aa]]:[[user_talk:avriette|talk]]</span> 17:55, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
:Footnotes bring better [[WP:V|verifiability]].--[[User:Kozuch|Kozuch]] ([[User talk:Kozuch|talk]]) 11:42, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
::Indeed. Given a 30K article presenting, say, 60 facts needing verification, but citing 3 references, with no information as to what facts are cited by which reference where, there is no reason for any reader to take the article seriously. — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 05:59, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Plus, using this template once is often more reader-friendly, and aesthetically appealing, than dozens of individual {{tl|fact}} tags throughout. — <span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">[[User:Satori Son|<b>Satori Son</b>]]</span> 12:41, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
See [[WP:So fix it]] - why do people just add this tag and expect other people to fix it?  This tag spam should be banned. [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]] ([[User talk:Smallbones|talk]]) 03:40, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

== TfD nomination of [[:Template:{{ucfirst:Citations missing}}]] ==
[[Template:{{ucfirst:Citations missing}}]] has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:{{ucfirst:Citations missing}}|the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page]]. Thank you.<!--Template:Tfdnotice--> — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 05:59, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

== Style edits ==

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I've made some tweaks to the layout of the template (and fixed some problems such as improper transclusion of interwikis) in the new [[template:morefootnotes/sandbox|sandbox]]. Just needs synced. [[user:thumperward|Chris Cunningham (not at work)]] - [[user talk:thumperward|talk]] 14:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

:{{done}} Thanks, <span style="font-family:Arial;"> [[User:PeterSymonds|<span style="color:#02e;">Peter</span><b style="color:#02b;">Symonds</b>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:PeterSymonds|<span style="color:#02e;">talk</span>]])</span> 07:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

===Boldface===
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This template is quite noisy and visually assaulting. Both bolded and unbolded text run in and out of bluetext, there's an orange stripe at the left and a colour image. This mess could be alleviated by removing the bold attribute from the text – it is ineffective as used in any case as the rest of the text is so short. Thank you, [[user:Skomorokh|<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family:New York;">Skomorokh</span></span>]] 15:16, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I believe this follows one of the standard styles where the bold part indicates the problem with the article (i.e. the important part). I don't believe it is set in stone but a lot of these boxes follow a similar style to this. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 16:16, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Should this go at the top or in a references section? ==

I've seen this template used both places.

Where does it belong?

For what it's worth, most cleanup templates that aren't "-section" or "|section" belong at the top of an article.  [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])/([[Special:Emailuser/davidwr|e-mail]])</small></small> 14:24, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
:I support the references section for four reasons: This is where footnotes should be, nofootnotes goes there, more footnotes is not an important issue and helps it distiguinsh from unreferenced tag (many editors get confused in that). -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 14:56, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
::I think that it should be at the top of the article in most cases. If there are so few citations that this tag is needed then readers need a clear warning that the accuracy of the article contents is in doubt. Also editors are more likely to take action when the banner is placed in a prominent location. However it is probably best to leave it to the consensus of editors on each article; there may be valid reasons to choose one location over the other in some situations. [[User:Road Wizard|Road Wizard]] ([[User talk:Road Wizard|talk]]) 18:49, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
:::If the acuracz is in doubt then it should be stated clearly with the apropriate template. --[[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 11:46, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
::::This is the appropriate template. Given the ease with which vandals can sneak incorrect statements into well referenced articles every uncited statement is in doubt. [[User:Road Wizard|Road Wizard]] ([[User talk:Road Wizard|talk]]) 20:13, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::No, this is ''not'' an accuracy template, it's a quibble template relating to ''ease of'' verifiability. It should be in the refs section because it is nothing more than a request for ''improvement to'' the formatting and usage of the ''extant references'', not at all a complaint that the ''are no or are insufficient references''.  This is really, really clear from the template's own wording, its documentation, everything on this talk page and everything said at its TfD. I.e., well, everything ever said about this template, period. :-/  — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 00:10, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::I think we will just have to disagree on that point then.
::::::If there is a consensus to put it in the reference section then I would suggest saying so in the usage notes. Otherwise I expect this discussion will recur again in the future. If no consensus has been agreed then my suggestion to treat it on an article by article basis would appear to be a correct assessment of the current situation. Regards. [[User:Road Wizard|Road Wizard]] ([[User talk:Road Wizard|talk]]) 00:35, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::''Clarification''. For the record I have not at any point called it an accuracy template. [[User:Road Wizard|Road Wizard]] ([[User talk:Road Wizard|talk]]) 00:46, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
(od) Over two years later, I still see no one but Road Wizard suggesting this should be used at the top of articles instead of in the refs section, so I'm updating the documentation. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''  &nbsp; <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ɖ∘¿<span style="color:red;">¤</span>þ </span>&nbsp; <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contrib.]]</small></span>  23:48, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

I for one think it belongs to the top on a case-by-case basis. Some articles have a huge amount of text, a trivial amount of inline citations, and a modest sources section. There is no indication whatsoever that the section match the text - it may well be problematic or obsolete itself. In those cases, it's good to warn the reader just like with {{tl|refimprove}}. --[[User:Joy|Joy &#91;shallot&#93;]] ([[User talk:Joy|talk]]) 19:34, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
:So why didn't you say so two years ago? I don't know what you mean by "that the section match the text"? What section? What text? — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''  &nbsp; <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ɖ∘¿<span style="color:red;">¤</span>þ </span>&nbsp; <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contrib.]]</small></span>  01:58, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
:: Honestly, I didn't say so because I didn't see the question. People often don't diligently track template talk pages *shrug*
:: I was referring to the relation between the sources section, how ever it is called, and the other text. Anyway, [[Wikipedia:Citing sources]] which is an accepted guideline pretty strongly suggests inline citations over general references, and it also says its more important for longer articles, so I think that's a logical standard to follow in this case, too. --[[User:Joy|Joy &#91;shallot&#93;]] ([[User talk:Joy|talk]]) 10:27, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
:::That means its a valid cleanup issue to flag. Doesn't mean it needs to be flagged outside the refs section with a loud top-of-page banner. Given that (below) people have been so opposed to this template they've suggested requiring it only to be on the talk page, I think this should be an RfC. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''  &nbsp; <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ɖ∘¿<span style="color:red;">¤</span>þ </span>&nbsp; <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contrib.]]</small></span>  21:21, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

== More compact "please" text ==

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I've just made a change in the [[Template:More footnotes/sandbox]] to make the "please" message a bit more compact, similar to the format of {{tl|refimprove}}. If there are no objections, we might as well incorporate the change into the live template. [[User:TheFeds|<b style="font-family:Constantia; font-size:medium; color:#0077bb;">''TheFeds''</b>]] 02:07, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
:True, it would be more consistent with {{tl|refimprove}} but it wouldn't match the more common format of these boxes such as {{tl|wikify}}, {{tl|pov}}, {{tl|confusing}}, etc. etc. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 06:01, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

::That's fair enough—no objection to cancelling the editprotected. I actually noticed the discrepancy because the table in {{tl|Citations missing}} recommends using them together in certain cases...but it didn't look quite right. I'd be content if a standard format was used throughout the banner range, but upon further inspection, they actually appear pretty fragmented in terms of style. (And it's not just these ones—[[WP:TC]] has several styles.) [[User:TheFeds|<b style="font-family:Constantia; font-size:medium; color:#0077bb;">''TheFeds''</b>]] 20:53, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

== Convert to a Talk page template ==
{{Stale|1=No support for proposal after a year and a half.}}
Given the current wording of this template, it is not really appropriate on article pages.  It is a maintenance template, requesting clean-up of format and layout but not directly challenging the authenticity of the content in the way that [[Template:Unreferenced]] does.  That kind of commentary has always been held on the article Talk pages.  

Infoboxes like this one are inherently disruptive to our readers.  They distract from the content and reduce the professionalism of the presentation.  Infoboxes on the page itself should be reserved for only the most serious maintenance concerns - ones that every reader will care about.  Things like this are important but should be posted to the article's Talk page for resolution.

Unfortunately, the format of this box does not currently lend itself to posting on the Talk page.  I would appreciate an alternative wording and layout that was better suited for Talk.  Any suggestions?  [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] <small>[[User talk:Rossami|(talk)]]</small> 18:50, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

== Style tweaks to referencing templates  ==

Please see [[Wikipedia talk:template messages/Cleanup#Style tweaks to referencing templates]] for a discussion relating to the styling of {{tl|unreferenced}}, {{tl|refimprove}}, {{tl|no footnotes}} and {{tl|more footnotes}}. [[user:thumperward|Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward)]] - [[user talk:thumperward|talk]] 15:07, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

== List of References link ==

Should it link to <nowiki> {{{{FULLPAGENAME}}#References}} or {{{{FULLPAGENAME}}/#reflist}} </nowiki> -  not another page. 'This article includes a list of references' - link to them? '''~ [[User:Tomtomn00|<span title="My Profile" style="color:#000080 ">&#8658;TomTom</span>]][[User talk:Tomtomn00|<span title="My Talk Page" style="color:#FF0000">N00</span>]] @''' 21:28, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

: There are two reasons to avoid such a link - first, the template could already be in the same section, and second, there is no uniformity in the destinations - the list could be in a section called "References", "Sources", "Notes", "External links" or even something else. --[[User:Joy|Joy &#91;shallot&#93;]] ([[User talk:Joy|talk]]) 19:37, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

== RfC: Should this template be used only in references section, at page top, or on talk page? ==

This talk page shows several years of low-level but unresolved disagreement about whether this template should:
*Be used as a ''dispute'' template at the top of the article, or top of the section in which information is only sourced to general references without inline footnotes 
*Only be used, as a ''cleanup'' template, in the references section (or equivalent, such as "Notes", "Footnotes", "Bibliography", etc., per the article's structure &ndash; the section in which reference citations are listed)
*Be used only on the talk page as a ''minor cleanup'' template
— <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''  &nbsp; <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ɖ∘¿<span style="color:red;">¤</span>þ </span>&nbsp; <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contrib.]]</small></span>  21:34, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

;Discussion:
*'''References section'''. My take, as stated in earlier discussions and as I tried to make clear in the documentation, is that this template does not flag a verifiability problem, only an {{em|ease of}} verifiability quibble, and thus should not be placed outside the references (or equivalent) section as if it were a dispute/warning template. We seem to have gotten away from the idea of using talk pages as "hosts" of cleanup templates for the most part, unless they're very close to trivial, like {{tl|reqphoto}}. Lack of footnotes is neither trivial nor an an article emergency like an {{tl|POV}} or {{tl|Unreferenced}} might be. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''  &nbsp; <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ɖ∘¿<span style="color:red;">¤</span>þ </span>&nbsp; <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contrib.]]</small></span>  21:34, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' If I use it I place it in the Notes section, but there is no consensus whether to place it at the top or in appropriate [[WP:FNNR]] section. However the move in the last few years has been to stop recognising entries in the general references section as adequate and that inline citations are needed for [[WP:V|verification]]. [[WP:CITE]] reflects this with "Inline citations" and "General references" being in different sections. -- [[User:Philip Baird Shearer|PBS]] ([[User talk:Philip Baird Shearer|talk]]) 20:01, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

*'''Top of article or section''' because it says the sources remain unclear. I take this to mean that editors '''can't''' figure out which publication to look in to verify a statement. Since a list of general references could contain many large print-only books, it could take a year for a reader to borrow the various books through inter-library loan and ''try'' to find the part of the book that supports the claim. That's close enough to unverified for me. [[User:Jc3s5h|Jc3s5h]] ([[User talk:Jc3s5h|talk]]) 21:57, 24 March 2012 (UTC), added "or section" 23:55 UTC

*'''Top of article'''. It indicates a problem with the whole article, not just the reference section. The message is displayed in the same place as an independent message and when included in {{Tl|Multiple issues}}. It is more likely to get noticed and fixed if it is displayed at the top. It indicates a potential verification problem to the reader. For very short articles, where it might be a quibble, it should probably not be used at all. Otherwise, especially when additions have been made since the references were listed, verifiabilty of individual statements can be a serious problem. --[[User:Boson|Boson]] ([[User talk:Boson|talk]]) 22:21, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
::That's what {{tl|citation needed}} is for. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''  &nbsp; <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ɖ∘¿<span style="color:red;">¤</span>þ </span>&nbsp; <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contrib.]]</small></span>  00:48, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
:::{{Tl|Citation needed}} is not very helpful when you have a long article with a lot evaluative material, dates, and figures but only one or two footnotes for minor points - which is where I would expect this template to be used. In my experience, {{Tl|More footnotes}} is often worth considering for translations from German Wikipedia, since these often make very little use of footnotes. Another, related, problem with such translated articles, is that the creator of the English article usually does not credit the direct source of the reference and it is not known if the creator actually verified the original reference. --[[User:Boson|Boson]] ([[User talk:Boson|talk]]) 14:55, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
:I intend that to include "or at the '''top of the relevant body section''' when used with the section parameter (<NOWIKI>{{More footnotes|section}}</NOWIKI>)".--[[User:Boson|Boson]] ([[User talk:Boson|talk]]) 08:55, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

*'''No new rules needed'''. All of the possibilities given in the RFC seem likely to be useful in different situations, and making a rule about when we can or can't use this template seems like [[WP:CREEP]] to me. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 22:25, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
::But all of our templates have (unless not properly documented) instructions on how/when/where to use them and not use them. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''  &nbsp; <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ɖ∘¿<span style="color:red;">¤</span>þ </span>&nbsp; <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contrib.]]</small></span>  00:48, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
* I don't think that any firm rules are needed, but placement in the particular section of the article would be better than any of the three options listed above. A blanket "needs more footnotes" request is essentially useless. Unless the editor who places the template leaves detailed info about what they want a footnote for, nobody else can tell what they were looking at. WP:V only requires footnotes for quotations and particular things challenged or likely to be challenged; other things don't "need" footnotes as long as they are verifiable.  &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 23:10, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
*'''No new rules needed''' - I agree with David here, the template works for all possibilities and there no need for particular regulation here. Indeed there might be [[WP:CREEP]] issue here as well, it seems like totally unnecessary micromanagement of authors/editors.--[[User:Kmhkmh|Kmhkmh]] ([[User talk:Kmhkmh|talk]]) 00:23, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
::'''Comment''': That's a bit uncharitable. For over three and half years there's been criticism that this template even exists. It's not instruction creep at all to restrict this to the refs section or the talk page, if one's view is that the template is flagging a {{em|non-critical}} (see Carl/CBM, above) problem.  I.e., to some "it seems like totally unnecessary" templates-in-your-face "tag soup" to have this template used as a page-topper dispute tag. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''  &nbsp; <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ɖ∘¿<span style="color:red;">¤</span>þ </span>&nbsp; <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contrib.]]</small></span>  00:45, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
::: I agree with you that this was a decent topic for an RFC. Nevertheless, I've seen way too many articles with a lot of fishy content not attributed to any particular source, yet with a plausible sources section, to consider this template an abusive tagging by default. It's very much legitimate. --[[User:Joy|Joy &#91;shallot&#93;]] ([[User talk:Joy|talk]]) 13:29, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Well I wasn't aware of the history of the template and quarrels of the past. However I have no issue with template as such, but i do have somewhat of an issue of nailing down the possible position in the article to the last epsilon, which I strikes me as [[WP:CREEP]]. People consider this template as "tag soup" most likely have no issue with exact placing but with the template as such. Hence the suggestions of this RFC may not address their issue at all, which imho makes it even more look like [[WP:CREEP]].--[[User:Kmhkmh|Kmhkmh]] ([[User talk:Kmhkmh|talk]]) 22:20, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
* '''In the article, on top or in the section, as appropriate'''. As I've written [[#Should_this_go_at_the_top_or_in_a_references_section.3F|above]], that would best match the relevant guideline - [[Wikipedia:Citing sources]]. This is a valid article tag that is beneficial to the readers, it should not be moved to talk pages where it'll be largely out of their sight. --[[User:Joy|Joy &#91;shallot&#93;]] ([[User talk:Joy|talk]]) 13:26, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
*: This kind of template is generally not supposed o be used to warn the reader.  Besides, if the reader doesn't notice the absence of inline citations (they are tolerably obvious), then I doubt that this template would actually "help" him in any meaningful sense.  [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 00:29, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
::: I think it does help the users in case of articles that have a few inline citations but dozens of paragraphs that aren't inline-referenced and aren't actually coupled with the sources section. The reader might see the sources section and get the mistaken impression that it matches the text, but it could easily be completely out of sync with the text. --[[User:Joy|Joy &#91;shallot&#93;]] ([[User talk:Joy|talk]]) 09:12, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
::::It may not tell experienced scholars anything they don't already know. But it is useful for younger readers, who might be moving from a late middle school environment, where a simple bibliography at the end is sufficient, to a high school environment where inline citation is expected. [[User:Jc3s5h|Jc3s5h]] ([[User talk:Jc3s5h|talk]]) 14:11, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
*'''No new rules needed'''. If I use it (but I usually use {{tl|refimprove}}), I place this template like {{tl|refimprove}}) in the appropriate [[WP:FNNR]] section, others place it at the top of the article. -- [[User:Philip Baird Shearer|PBS]] ([[User talk:Philip Baird Shearer|talk]]) 20:01, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
*'''At top of article or section''' seems fine to me.  Note, though, that Twinkle places tags at the top, so we can't have any rule which says it ''mustn't'' go at the top, without re-writing Twinkle ... [[User:ThatPeskyCommoner| <span style="color:#003300; font-family: Apple Chancery, Zapf Chancery, cursive;">Pesky</span>]] ([[User talk:ThatPeskyCommoner|<span style="color:#003300; font-family:Papyrus, Noteworthy;">talk</span>]]) 07:39, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
:*The Twinkle does need to be rewritten, since a large number of templates are not for top-of-article usage, such as all all <code>-section</code> and <code>|section</code> templates. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''  &nbsp; <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ɖ∘¿<span style="color:red;">¤</span>þ </span>&nbsp; <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contrib.]]</small></span>  16:39, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
*'''NNRN'''- it can be a judgement call or arbitrary.  We should fix these articles instead of worrying where the templates go. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', <small>21:08, 26 March 2012 (UTC).</small>
*'''Top of the article''' - If I was a reader, having the citations inline with the text I was reading would reassure me that the article has good references, the article material is verifiable and contains to original research and that the references themselves are reliable. Simply listing them at the end is unconvincing for the reader and putting the template at the top of the article warns them of this.
*'''NNRN''' - While I have my preferences, ... I don't believe that codifying this will help matters.  Roughly per Rich F.  --[[User:Joe Decker|joe decker]][[User talk:Joe Decker|<sup><small><i>talk to me</i></small></sup>]] 03:20, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
*'''NNRN''' - Its okay.--[[User:Ankit Maity|<span style="color:blue;">Ankit Maity</span>]][[User talk:Ankit Maity|<sup style="color:magenta;">Talk</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/Ankit  Maity|<sub style="color:green;">Contribs</sub>]] 04:15, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
*'''NNRN''' I think most often the template should go on the top of a page to alert potential readers to the sourcing problem, yet editors should have the flexibility to use it in other ways. [[User:Monty845|<span style="color:green;">Monty</span>]][[User talk:Monty845|<small><sub style="color:#A3BFBF;">845</sub></small>]] 02:49, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

== Wrong link ==

{{FPER|answered=yes}}

The link underneath the words "inline citation" should point to [[WP:INCITE]], not to WP:CITEFOOT.  [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 02:13, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:EP --> see {{diff|Template:More footnotes|prev|486675720|here}} --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 19:17, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

== This is just tag spam ==

This tag doesn't help anything.  It should be removed on sight.  If you think that an article needs more footnotes, please just add them, see [[WP:So fix it]].  The only thing this does is sit on a page and look ugly.  Stop tag spamming now!  [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]] ([[User talk:Smallbones|talk]]) 03:36, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
:Sometimes there are others better qualified then the tagger to fix it. Sometimes the tagger doesn't have the time or resources necessary to fix it. Sometimes the tagger just doesn't want to be bothered to fix it, but is willing to at least tag it. In all those cases the tag is better then the editor moving on without alerting anyone else to the problem. Sure, ideally the tagging editor would instead fix the problem, same for any maint tag, but the reality is that it just doesn't work that way. [[User:Monty845|<span style="color:green;">Monty</span>]][[User talk:Monty845|<small><sub style="color:#A3BFBF;">845</sub></small>]] 03:52, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
::Also, there is another solution other then add more footnotes. Instead of looking for footnotes to add, tagger could just start removing uncited material. I doubt thats the [[WP:So fix it]] result your looking for though. [[User:Monty845|<span style="color:green;">Monty</span>]][[User talk:Monty845|<small><sub style="color:#A3BFBF;">845</sub></small>]] 03:54, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
If the tagger wants to remove uncited material, that's fine with me.  Tags that sit on pages for years are not fine with me.  I think the theory of tags is that if somebody puts a tag on the page, somebody else will come along and fix the problem,  "but the reality is that it just doesn't work that way."  Why doesn't it work that way?  Often because the tag spammer doesn't explain what the perceived problem is.  Often because the tagger is on some type of ego-trip, trying to say what he thinks is ideally acceptable in this encyclopedia, without doing the real work himself.  If you don't want to clean up somebody else's mess (not mine!), please don't add to the mess.  BTW nasty looking tags and warnings are one reason that editor retention is down.  Please don't add to this problem - just fix the problems that you see!  [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]] ([[User talk:Smallbones|talk]]) 04:50, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

:::This isn't about adding more sources; it's about figuring out which of the [[WP:General references]] supports which sentences, and converting them to [[WP:Inline citations]].  If you didn't write the material or read all of the sources listed on the page, then you cannot "just fix it".  Try it:  [[Austro-Asiatic languages]] has a long list of sources that were used to write the majority of content for the article.  Are you personally able to tell me which sentences in the article are supported by those thirteen general references? [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 04:37, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
::::So if you can't take the time to fix it, and you don't expect me to be able to fix it, just put a tag on it, and then you expect somebody else to come along a be able to fix it?  If it is this complicated, the tag won't help - just politely go and ask the original editor to fix it.  An ugly nagging tag accomplishes nothing. [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]] ([[User talk:Smallbones|talk]]) 04:52, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
:::::If the tag is seen by the original editor, you ''are'' "politely ask[ing] the original editor to fix it".  In fact, getting an "ugly nagging tag" off a prized creation is highly motivating for some editors.  [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 23:03, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::If the tag is seen by the original editor it still doesn't help as no ''useful'' information has been provided as to how to fix the problem. This tag tends to stay in articles for years, as no-one knows what to fix, or if they do fix something, don't know if it was what the person who put the tag on meant, so they leave the tag. After a while no-one knows if there is a problem, so no-one tries to fix it and the petrified annoyance just hangs on forever, as the person who put it there never comes back to check, or if they do, can't remember what it referred to. There are much better alternatives. Inline {{tl|citation needed}} informs everyone exactly what is challenged, and gets removed as and when each problem is fixed. I get the impression that {{tl|More footnotes}} is probably used mainly by people who are too lazy to do a proper job, too ignorant to know what needs citation and what does not, and those who think that it is cool to put meaningless notices on articles. In all the time I have edited on WP I don't remember ever seeing one of these tags that was actually useful. So far I have refrained from simply deleting them on sight because I don't feel like getting into a flame war. I do not think that this ugly nagging tag is motivating at all. Frustrating and annoying, yes, and demotivating. I would gladly fix any challenged material that I have contributed If I could find out what was allegedly wrong with it. This template should be deleted with extreme prejudice and the ground over its grave salted. Cheers, &bull; &bull; &bull; [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter (Southwood)]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 15:35, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

I also disagree with the premise. The point is to tell the ''readers'' that the article has a general references section but that it does not necessarily support the content of the article. This is very much a meaningful thing to do; lack of ''inline'' citations is a genuine problem on Wikipedia. The complaints above appear to be more general complaints against cleanup templates as such - please move them to a more general venue. --[[User:Joy|Joy &#91;shallot&#93;]] ([[User talk:Joy|talk]]) 07:32, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
: Where does it say that in the template documentation? 
: This template does not help improve the number and quality of inline citations precisely because it is too vague to indicate ''where'' they are needed. I challenge you to select 3 random cases of use and specify exactly what the perpetrator was referring to. Let us know how long it took you if you manage, and whether you think this is an effective use of time. &bull; &bull; &bull; [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter (Southwood)]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 13:28, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

:: It says so right in the template itself. What's unclear about ''This article includes a list of references, but its sources remain unclear because it has insufficient inline citations.''? Yes, the exact paragraphs or sentences that are unsourced are not specified, but again, that's a general complaint against top-of-the-page (or top-of-the-section) templates as opposed to inline templates. These templates should be preferred in those cases where you'd have to litter the article with dozens of inline templates. --[[User:Joy|Joy &#91;shallot&#93;]] ([[User talk:Joy|talk]]) 13:36, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

== Bot-type addition of the tag to a large number of articles == 
 
I’ve noticed that one person has been manually adding the tag in a bot-type manner to thousands of pages. The tag will no doubt remain on the pages indefinitely as no one else will add the requested citations and I would therefore question whether this is desirable. Any thoughts? ([[User talk:UKgeofan|Ukgeofan]]) 21:48, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

:You have posted the same question on three template talk pages I suggest that any replies about this issue are made at [[Template talk:Refimprove#Bot-type addition of the tag to a large number of articles]] -- [[User:PBS|PBS]] ([[User talk:PBS|talk]]) 23:34, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 27 January 2016 ==

{{edit template-protected|answered=yes}}
In the issue parameter of the template, where it says <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons{{!}}{{{1|'''biographical article'''}}}]]</nowiki>, "biographical article" should be changed to "biography of a living person" for clarity. I did check this in [[User:Compassionate727/sandbox|my sandbox]] to make sure it works properly. -©2016 Compassionate727<sup>([[User talk:Compassionate727|<span style="color:#0000FF">Talk</span>]])([[Special:Contributions/Compassionate727|<span style="color:red">Contributions</span>]])</sup> 19:55, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:{{done}} — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#00FF00;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 11:18, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 8 April 2016 ==

{{edit template-protected|answered=yes}}
I just realized a problem with the edit request I made above, when you invoke both blp=yes and a suffix. It would make the suffix into the pipe used in the piped link to [[WP:BLP]]. So, I've messed with the template, and I now have a fix for it. Please replace
 <nowiki>This {{#ifeq: {{{BLP|{{{blp|}}}}}} | yes | [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons{{!}}{{{1|'''biography of a living person'''}}}]] | {{{1|article}}} }}</nowiki>
with:
 <nowiki>This {{#ifeq: {{{BLP|{{{blp|}}}}}} | yes | {{#if:{{{suffix|{{{1|}}}}}}|{{{suffix|{{{1}}}}}} [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|'''about a living person''']] | [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|'''biography of a living person''']]}} | {{{1|article}}} }}</nowiki>
You can check the results at [[User:Compassionate727/sandbox3]]. -©2016 Compassionate727<sup>([[User talk:Compassionate727|<span style="color:#0000FF">Talk</span>]])([[Special:Contributions/Compassionate727|<span style="color:red">Contributions</span>]])</sup> 15:22, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ETp --> —&thinsp;[[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]]&thinsp;<small>([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]])</small> 16:51, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 13 April 2016 ==

{{edit template-protected|answered=yes}}
I have a minor formatting adjustment for when a suffix has been defined and blp=yes. Please change
 <nowiki>{{#if:{{{suffix|{{{1|}}}}}}|{{{suffix|{{{1}}}}}} '''[[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|about a living person]]''' |</nowiki>
to
 <nowiki>{{#if: {{{suffix|{{{1|}}}}}} | '''{{{suffix|{{{1}}}}}} [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|about a living person]]''' |</nowiki>
This also bolds the suffix, which looks nicer. -©2016 Compassionate727<sup>([[User talk:Compassionate727|<span style="color:#0000FF">Talk</span>]])([[Special:Contributions/Compassionate727|<span style="color:red">Contributions</span>]])</sup> 15:58, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Are you sure there is consensus for that? -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 16:04, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ETp --> {{ping|Magioladitis}} we made a similar edit at [[Template:No footnotes]], so I don't see an issue here. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 17:44, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

The parameter should be documented. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> 01:03, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

== Removal of the suffix parameter ==

{{edit template-protected|answered=yes}}
Recently at [[Template talk:BLP sources]], I proposed that we remove the {{param|suffix}} parameter. In short, I don't believe that anybody uses it, since when we checked there, we found literally nobody was. It had been there for more than six years, as opposed to a couple months here. Anyway, all of the suffix stuff crowds the template and makes it less readable. There's that, and the fact that {{para|suffix}} doesn't work unless <code>|blp=yes</code>, and it would be easier to scrap a useless parameter then to bother to fix it. All said, I'll go ahead and suggest that the template be updated with the tracking category that is seen at the end of the sandbox version. Since it'll take a couple days for the category to fill with any instances, I think that'll be sufficient time for anybody who does have any objections to speak up. –[[User:Compassionate727|Compassionate727]]&nbsp;<sup>([[User talk:Compassionate727|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Compassionate727|C]])</sup> 23:31, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
:{{re|Compassionate727}} It makes sense only to do a partial sync to the sandbox. Removal of {{para|suffix}} before the tracking category code is added will not serve its purpose. Just need a confirmation before anyone takes action. — [[User:Andy M. Wang|'''''Andy W.''''']] <span style="font-size:88%">('''[[User talk:Andy M. Wang|<span style="color:#164">talk</span>]] ·''' [[Special:Contribs/Andy M. Wang|ctb]])</span> 00:39, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
::Yeah, that's what I meant. We're not removing anything now, just adding the cat. We'll remove in a couple of days (assuming no objections). –[[User:Compassionate727|Compassionate727]]&nbsp;<sup>([[User talk:Compassionate727|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Compassionate727|C]])</sup> 00:42, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
:::[[Special:Diff/724554791|Partial sync done.]] — [[User:Andy M. Wang|'''''Andy W.''''']] <span style="font-size:88%">('''[[User talk:Andy M. Wang|<span style="color:#164">talk</span>]] ·''' [[Special:Contribs/Andy M. Wang|ctb]])</span> 00:46, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
:[[File:Gold check mark.svg|20px|link=]] '''Partly done:'''<!-- Template:ETp --> For now. Re-activate the request when the category is full. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 03:41, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
:{{para|suffix}} is now deprecated. [[:Category:More footnotes using deprecated parameters]] remained empty. — [[User:Andy M. Wang|'''''Andy W.''''']] <span style="font-size:88%">('''[[User talk:Andy M. Wang|<span style="color:#164">talk</span>]] ·''' [[Special:Contribs/Andy M. Wang|ctb]])</span> 16:23, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 14 June 2016 ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:More footnotes|answered=yes}}
<!-- State UNAMBIGUOUSLY your suggested changes. Other editors need to know what to add or remove. Blank edit requests will be declined. -->

Please add <code>|removalnotice = yes</code> inside the {{tl|ambox}} template. Many of the other maintenance templates contain this and this one should be the same. See [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_131#Implementing_Help:Maintenance_template_removal]]. 
<!-- Write your request ABOVE this line and do not remove the tildes below. -->
'''[[User:Omni Flames|<span style="color:#68829E; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:2px 2px 2px #C4DFE6">Omni Flames</span>]] ([[User_talk:Omni Flames|<span style="color:#A2C523;">talk</span>]])''' 06:54, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ETp --> — [[User:Andy M. Wang|'''''Andy W.''''']] <span style="font-size:88%">('''[[User talk:Andy M. Wang|<span style="color:#164">talk</span>]] ·''' [[Special:Contribs/Andy M. Wang|ctb]])</span> 07:19, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 17 November 2016 ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:More footnotes|answered=yes}}
I would like to have {{tl|main other}} added to the first line so that only articles are categorized. 

Currently the first line reads:
<pre>
{{ {{{|safesubst:}}}#invoke:Unsubst||date=__DATE__ |$B={{#ifeq:{{{suffix|π}}}|π||[[Category:More footnotes using deprecated parameters]]}}
</pre>

Please change that to:
<pre>
{{ {{{|safesubst:}}}#invoke:Unsubst||date=__DATE__ |$B={{#ifeq:{{{suffix|π}}}|π||{{main other|[[Category:More footnotes using deprecated parameters]]}} }}
</pre>


[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:DarkTurquoise;">Zackmann08</span>]] (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange;">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 17:18, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ETp --> —&thinsp;[[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]]&thinsp;<small>([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]])</small> 19:58, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 16 October 2017 ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:More footnotes|answered=yes}}
As with {{t|no footnotes}}, could the {{t|yesno-no}} template be added to the BLP parameter? Not hugely important, but might make things easier for those unaware of the {{t|BLP more footnotes}} wrapper template. [[User:Adam9007|Adam9007]] ([[User talk:Adam9007|talk]]) 02:45, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ETp --> —&thinsp;[[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]]&thinsp;<small>([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]])</small> 02:55, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

== RfC of potential interest ==
An RfC is underway that could affect this template and may therefor be of interest to watchers of this page. The discussion is located at [[Wikipedia talk:Twinkle#RfC regarding Twinkle maintenance tags that recommend the inclusion of additional sources]]. Thank you.--[[User:John Cline|John Cline]] ([[User talk:John Cline#Top|talk]]) 05:12, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

== Replace essay and WikiProject wikilinks ==

The links in the sentence {{tq|Please help to [[wikipedia:WikiProject Fact and Reference Check|improve]] this article by [[wikipedia:When to cite|introducing]] more precise citations}} point to a WikiProject page that explains how to add tags, and an essay that explains unnecessary abbreviations. Just remove them; they help neither newcomers nor experienced editors to accomplish the requested task. If you need a suitable replacement, ''perhaps'' [[Help:Referencing for beginners]] would be actually useful. [[User:ToBeFree|~ ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree|talk]]) 02:41, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 18 September 2020 ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:More footnotes needed|answered=yes}}
This template is <s>mostly</s> often mistakenly used instead of {{more citations needed}} because (1) it's called {{tl|more footnotes needed}} and (2) the wording is not terribly clear. The first reason is an innocent mistake that most editors would correct as soon as they read the full verbiage, except that the verbiage is not clear either because many editors use "references" and "citations" interchangeably. I am proposing that it be reworded:

This article includes a list of general references, but it remains largely unverified because it lacks sufficient corresponding inline citations. Please help to improve this article by introducing more precise citations.

This would make it immediately clear to editors that this is the wrong template to use for article that simply need more references. It would also help editors like me be able to do the targeted work I'm doing more efficiently. Esprit15d • <small>[[User_talk:Esprit15d |talk]]</small> • <small>[[Special:Contributions/Esprit15d|contribs]]</small> 16:24, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
:[[Template:More footnotes needed/sandbox|Sandboxed]] and awaiting any comments from other editors &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 20:09, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ETp --> No comments so done &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 15:37, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

== Make it simple: how can I place the hatnote? ==

I'm not an IT person. The page is all Chinese to me. I need to place a hatnote with the content<br>
"This article includes a list of general references, but it remains largely unverified because it lacks sufficient corresponding inline citations. Please help to improve this article by introducing more precise citations. (Learn how and when to remove this template message)"<br>
'''WHAT IS THE FREAKING TEMPLATE? Just one line, to copy and paste, user-friendly and short.''' Thanks. [[User:Arminden|Arminden]] ([[User talk:Arminden|talk]]) 02:12, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

:@[[User:Arminden|Arminden]], the answer to your question is that you copy and paste this code into the article:  <code><nowiki>{{More footnotes needed|date=February 2021}}</nowiki></code>
:But you probably don't "need" to do this, and it might actually be a waste of your time.  Placing these tags is only helpful if some editor feels like solving the problem, and didn't previously know that this problem existed. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 01:35, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, solved. [[User:Arminden|Arminden]] ([[User talk:Arminden|talk]]) 14:45, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

== Largely unverified ==

This template should not be making the claim that the article is "largely unverified".  It is perfectly possible that the sources provided do indeed fully verify the material.  We should AGF the editor who created the page unless specific claims have actually been found not to be in the sources.  [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 18:40, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
:As no one has responded to this, I intend to edit the template within the next 24 hours.  If you object, or have a suggested wording, please speak up now. [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 20:59, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
:As there is still no response, I've removed the offending phrase.  I'll leave it a bit longer and then update the documentation page to match. [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 11:30, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

== Consistency ==

Should this template start with "{{tq|This article includes a list of references, related reading or external links ...}}" as {{tl|No footnotes}} does, to make the two consistent with one another?

Doing so would indicate that this template is also appropriate for pages that where many references are listed under "Further reading" sections (ie. "related reading"). Many articles do this because the heading of "References" is already taken by the section for {{tl|reflist}}, listing the few inline citations that are present. In these cases "Further reading" often includes literature that could be used to verify statement in the article, although no-one has gotten around to doing so. – [[User:Scyrme|Scyrme]] ([[User talk:Scyrme|talk]]) 21:43, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 11 October 2024 ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:More footnotes needed|answered=yes}}
The phrase "references" currently links to the entire policy on verification. It would be better to link the phrase "general references" to [[WP:GENREF]], so users could see the specific policy relevant to this tag. As someone who regularly works on improving these articles, the confusion on what the issue is can be challenging when working with other editors, especially novice ones.--Esprit15d • <small>[[User_talk:Esprit15d |talk]]</small> • <small>[[Special:Contributions/Esprit15d|contribs]]</small> 16:18, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
:{{done}}<!-- Template:ETp --> <span class="nowrap">--[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User talk:Ahecht|<b style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:middle;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</b>]])</span> 16:51, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you!--Esprit15d • <small>[[User_talk:Esprit15d |talk]]</small> • <small>[[Special:Contributions/Esprit15d|contribs]]</small> 14:41, 14 October 2024 (UTC)