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:{{la|1=Battle of Re'im}} – (<includeonly>[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Re'im|View AfD]]</includeonly><noinclude>[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2023 November 10#{{anchorencode:Battle of Re'im}}|View log]]</noinclude> | [[Special:Diff/1183745861/cur|edits since nomination]]) |
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One day-long battle. Not notable. The article is only one paragraph long. It can perfectly be integrated into [[2023 Hamas attack on Israel]]. [[User:Super Dromaeosaurus|Super Dromaeosaurus]] ([[User talk:Super Dromaeosaurus|talk]]) 09:53, 10 November 2023 (UTC) |
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*<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting|deletion sorting]] lists for the following topics: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Military|Military]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Israel|Israel]], and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Palestine|Palestine]]. [[User:Super Dromaeosaurus|Super Dromaeosaurus]] ([[User talk:Super Dromaeosaurus|talk]]) 09:53, 10 November 2023 (UTC)</small> |
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*<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Events|list of Events-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Spiderone|<span style="color: #996600">Spiderone</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Spiderone|<span style="color:brown">(Talk to Spider)</span>]]</sup> 11:41, 10 November 2023 (UTC)</small> |
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:'''Redirect''' to [[2023 Hamas attack on Israel]]. {{tq|It can perfectly be integrated}}: I have, in fact, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Re%27im&diff=prev&oldid=1180392316 already done so]. The redirect was reverted, though the merged content was left in the target article. Clearly this is non-notable. [[User:DFlhb|DFlhb]] ([[User talk:DFlhb|talk]]) 13:19, 10 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:'''Keep''' - A documented [[battle]] which was fought over a military base. The article (Wiki) was also mentioned by a media organization as well [https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/379004]. Also, an [[WP:OTHERLANGS]] argument (can’t be used alone) also helps supports my point, given this battle is in over 10 other Wiki-languages. Obviously, that argument can’t be used alone, but when media name the battle + mention the English Wiki article + translated into 11 other languages, one can’t just say it “isn’t” notable without providing good reasoning. '''The [[User:WeatherWriter|Weather Event Writer]]''' ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|Talk Page)]] 04:29, 11 November 2023 (UTC) |
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::"Documented", mentioned by media, and OTHERLANGS are not valid arguments. This article must meet [[WP:NEVENT]] (not GNG), and it doesn't, because it lacks depth and duration of coverage, and documented (sourced) lasting effects or historical significance. The sources are [[WP:RSBREAKING|breaking news]] sources, which generally don't count for event notability. [[User:DFlhb|DFlhb]] ([[User talk:DFlhb|talk]]) 09:08, 13 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:::I am curious on why you said OTHERLANGS is “not valid” for an argument? My reasoning was clear without mentioning it and actually per [[WP:OTHERLANGS]], {{tq|A notable topic will often be covered by Wikipedia articles in many languages other than English}}. It is covered by several news articles and this Wikipedia article was mentioned by a news article. Anyway, after watching an [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/1999_Aïn_Témouchent_earthquake article with 2 sentences pass AfD] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1999_Aïn_Témouchent_earthquake&oldid=1173065171 version after the keep conensus]) because it had several RS sources supporting it, a well-documented brief battle with '''at least 8 [[WP:RS]] sources''', which was mentioned by a media outlet & has been translated into nearly a dozen other Wikipedia languages clearly passes the bar. Direct comparison should be avoided by itself per [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]], but there is too many RS sources (my exact reasoning) mentioning the battle as well as several supporting facts for this case. '''My !vote will remain keep.''' [[WP:COAL]]ing out time. Peace y’all. '''The [[User:WeatherWriter|Weather Event Writer]]''' ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|Talk Page)]] 09:30, 13 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:'''Additional comment''' - Based on the RS listed in the article it passes [[WP:GNG]] and the AfD nomination nor the additional [[WP:!VOTE|!vote]] actually suggest deletion. Both are pertaining to [[WP:PAM|merges]]. A look at the article talk page hints at 0 prior discussions occurring for a merge, so it appears [[WP:BEFORE]] wasn't followed and the AfD is being used incorrectly, when the nominator appears to be more or less requesting a merge, not deletion. '''The [[User:WeatherWriter|Weather Event Writer]]''' ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|Talk Page)]] 22:26, 11 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:'''Keep -''' An important battle, where Israeli forces were defeated and Hamas subsequently filmed dead Israelis for social media. It seems to be one of the more disasterious defeats of the IDF. It is also costumery for there to be articles on. Also there seem to be ample articles on subject. |
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:<ref name="Reuters">{{cite web |last1=Williams |first1=Dan |date=7 October 2023 |title=How the Hamas attack on Israel unfolded |url=https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-hamas-attack-israel-unfolded-2023-10-07/ |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231007150408/https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-hamas-attack-israel-unfolded-2023-10-07/ |archive-date=7 October 2023 |access-date=7 October 2023 |publisher=Reuters}}</ref><ref name="ani">{{Cite news |date=7 October 2023 |title=At least 7 Nepali injured, 17 held captive by Hamas in Israel: Nepal's envoy |work=ANI |url=https://www.aninews.in/news/world/asia/at-least-7-nepali-injured-17-held-captive-by-hamas-in-israel-nepals-envoy20231007181710/ |url-status=live |access-date=7 October 2023 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231007163708/https://www.aninews.in/news/world/asia/at-least-7-nepali-injured-17-held-captive-by-hamas-in-israel-nepals-envoy20231007181710/ |archive-date=7 October 2023}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |author=David Rosenberg |date=October 9, 2023 |title=Hamas invasion death toll rises to 800 as Israel prepares for far more dangerous threat from north |url=https://worldisraelnews.com/hamas-invasion-death-toll-rises-to-350-as-israel-prepares-for-possible-second-front/ |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231016015232/https://worldisraelnews.com/hamas-invasion-death-toll-rises-to-350-as-israel-prepares-for-possible-second-front/ |archive-date=16 October 2023 |access-date=20 October 2023 |publisher=World Israel News}}</ref><ref>{{cite news |author=Daniella Cheslow |date=October 10, 2023 |title=Israel and the West reckon with a high-tech failure |publisher=Politico |url=https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/10/israel-hamas-technology-failure-00120667 |url-status=live |access-date=20 October 2023 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231017005803/https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/10/israel-hamas-technology-failure-00120667 |archive-date=17 October 2023}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |title=Israel says it regains control of Re'im army base |url=https://defence-blog.com/israel-says-it-regains-control-of-reim-army-base/ |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231007204208/https://defence-blog.com/israel-says-it-regains-control-of-reim-army-base/ |archive-date=7 October 2023 |access-date=7 October 2023 |publisher=Defense Blog}}</ref><ref name="TOI">{{cite web |last1=Fabian |first1=Emanuel |date=7 October 2023 |title=IDF regains control of Re'im military base from Hamas terrorists in southern Israel |url=https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-regains-control-of-reim-military-base-from-hamas-terrorists-in-southern-israel/ |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231007204043/https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-regains-control-of-reim-military-base-from-hamas-terrorists-in-southern-israel/ |archive-date=7 October 2023 |access-date=7 October 2023 |publisher=Times of Israel}}</ref> English |
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:Local news: [https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/byqj0fbza],[https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/bjd11f11bt],[http://news.walla.co.il/?w=//3616020],[https://news.walla.co.il/item/3616529],[https://www.mako.co.il/news-military/6361323ddea5a810/Article-d981746dbc44b81026.htm] [[User:Homerethegreat|Homerethegreat]] ([[User talk:Homerethegreat|talk]]) 09:07, 13 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:'''Merge''' to [[2023 Hamas attack on Israel]] as completely underwhelming at just 127 words (below the absolute minimum threshold for a standalone piece of content, per [[WP:SIZERULE]]), and with no apparent detail - not even casualty numbers for the two sides - making it far from standalone page-worthy from the get-go. [[User:Iskandar323|Iskandar323]] ([[User talk:Iskandar323|talk]]) 08:14, 14 November 2023 (UTC) |
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::[[WP:NEXIST]] — “Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article”. See the 2-sentence article mentioned above which was kept due to the existence of multiple RS sources. '''The [[User:WeatherWriter|Weather Event Writer]]''' ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|Talk Page)]] 07:04, 15 November 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' clearly passes GNG, see refs above and in article. <span style="font-family:Courier;"><b> // [[User:TimothyBlue|Timothy]] :: [[User talk:TimothyBlue|talk]] </b></span> 06:56, 15 November 2023 (UTC) |
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*:Most of the sources cited are trivial mentions, not [[WP:INDEPTH]]. [[User:Iskandar323|Iskandar323]] ([[User talk:Iskandar323|talk]]) 07:17, 15 November 2023 (UTC) |
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