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An article aid request
I see you are interested in topics related to Christianity in Kerala and Syriac Christianity. I feel the that there should be an article about the Latin Catholics of Kerala. Could you help me in that. As I'm new here I'm not an expert in these... Micahhadar (talk) 10:16, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Micahhadar, welcome. Currently, there is an article (Catholic Church in India) which mostly deals with the Latin Church in India. However, as you have expressed, there is no separate article for the Latin Catholic Church in Kerala. This can be due to a number of reasons like:
- The hierarchical structure of the Latin Church in India is closely related to the Conference of Catholic Bishops of India (CCBI). There is no such authoritative body peculiar to the Latin Church in Kerala.
- The Latin Church hierarchy in Kerala comprises of two separate Archdioceses, namely the Archdiocese of Trivandrum and the Archdiocese of Verapoly. Therefore there is no centralised Latin Church hierarchy in Kerala.
- However, there is The KERALA REGIONAL LATIN CATHOLIC BISHOPS’ COUNCIL (KRLCBC) that comprises all the bishops of the ecclesiastical provinces of Verapoly and Trivandrum (Latin Rite).
- (1) Verapoly Archdiocese, (2) Calicut, (3) Cochin, (4) Kannur, (5) Kottapuram, (6) Sultanpet, (7) Vijayapuram.
- (1) Trivandrum Archdiocese, (2) Alleppey, (3) Neyyatinkara, (4) Punalur, (5) Quilon.
- Therefore, a separate article can be created for Latin Church in Kerala. Although, it may not contain more information than what is provided in the article for Catholic Church in India, it may help in giving an emphasis on this particular Church of Kerala.
- If you are still interested in creating an article on this subject, I am ready to give you every help from my part.
Br Ibrahim john (talk) 12:02, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Actually I am emphasising on the Latin Catholic community in Kerala. I mean it forms an ethnic group which is clearly differentiated from the Saint Thomas Syrian Christians of Kerala. Even though just 13% of Christians in Kerala are Latin Catholic, they are differentiated from the other Catholics. People may get misinformed that they are a different community different from the East Syriac Syro Malabar Church. Micahhadar (talk) 13:09, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Micahhadar, yes, now I totally understand the point you are trying to make. However, the Latin Christian community in Kerala is largely multi-ethnic (just like anywhere else in India), in contrast to the Saint Thomas Christians. Historically, the early members of the community in Kerala were Saint Thomas Christians who switched to Latin Rite Catholicism. Their history is somewhat complicated. If you have the content for a new article and sources to verify, a great article can be created out of it.
Br Ibrahim john (talk) 13:32, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Br Ibrahim john, Actually aren't Latin Catholics of Kerala Mukkuvar and Nadar Christians converted to Christianity by the Portuguese. And few Saint Thomas Christians also had joined them. Currently I am lacking any sources. Just what I've heard about these. I will try finding sources. Could you also join to find reliable sources.... I'm just familiarising myself here!!! Micahhadar (talk) 13:35, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Micahhadar, Latin Christians cannot be reduced to some specific communities. There were fishermen, Nadars (Shanars), Nairs, Dalits, and other groups among those who converted to Latin Christianity. In addition to this, there is significant number of Saint Thomas Christians who converted into the community, especially in the district of Ernakulam.
Br Ibrahim john (talk) 14:34, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
I mean all these things I've heard from people. But I was not able to find great sources. Could you help me find sources???? Micahhadar (talk) 04:41, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=eBPZAAAAMAAJ&dq=Latin+Catholics+Kerala&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=sEz7GgAACAAJ&dq=Latin+Catholics+Kerala&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y
I have found some book links....are these helpful???(Micahhadar (talk) 05:12, 22 May 2021 (UTC))
- Micahhadar, Yes. These may be helpful.
And let me know what title you are going to give to this article. Br Ibrahim john (talk) 10:52, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Br Ibrahim john, Hello, Could it be named as "Latin Catholics of Kerala"..??? Or is the title too long?? Micahhadar (talk) 10:54, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Micahhadar, It is appropriate. I think a title can not be made shorter than this one. Br Ibrahim john (talk) 10:57, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Br Ibrahim john, actually I'm not confident enough to create an article. Would it be an issue if you could create one and I could contribute to it??? As you have experience creating many!! If it is an issue leave it (Micahhadar (talk) 11:01, 23 May 2021 (UTC))
- Micahhadar, I can do that. But before I start creating an article, I should collect some resources. If you have content right now and want to start it by your own, you can create an article yourself by clicking on this Latin Catholics of Kerala link. If you want to edit the title, you can do that by editing it here itself.Br Ibrahim john (talk) 11:09, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Br Ibrahim john, As I said above I'm not confident about it. I would be glad for contributing to it.(Micahhadar (talk) 11:11, 23 May 2021 (UTC))
- Micahhadar, That is OK.Br Ibrahim john (talk) 11:26, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Micahhadar, If you want to practice creating an article or to save content as a draft, you may visit Wikipedia:Article wizard page which is meant for new users. Thank you.Br Ibrahim john (talk) 11:39, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Br Ibrahim john, Hello....have you started working on the article!!!! I mean collecting the sources and all!!! (Micahhadar (talk) 15:45, 25 May 2021 (UTC))
- Micahhadar, It may take a while. Br Ibrahim john (talk) 16:18, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Okay okay that's fine!!! Micahhadar (talk) 07:04, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Christianity/Noticeboard § Catholicos of the East. Elizium23 (talk) 13:56, 3 June 2021 (UTC)Template:Z48
Hello
Your edit pattern suggest that your an East Syriac Saint Thomas Syrian Christian isn't it???? Correct me if I'm wrong!!!I mean either from Syro Malabar Church or Chaldean Syrian Church....Just wanted to know Micahhadar (talk) 13:23, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- I am more interested in East Syriac related contents. That is mainly because Wikipedia does not have many East Syriac editors. However, I am not working for any specific Church. Br Ibrahim john (talk) 15:13, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Hello Br Ibrahim john
Hello, The arrangement in the article Christianity in Kerala is slightly misleading as the names would be misinterpreted. I have arranged it in an order that the Syrians Christian denominations are differentiated. Please respond. Let's discuss. Micahhadar (talk) 09:31, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
- Micahhadar, It is better to arrange the denominations in the order of population counts in the case of a Pie Chart. Br Ibrahim john (talk) 09:41, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
- Br Ibrahim john, But when we arrange it population wise the differentiation would not be observed.
Micahhadar, Differentiation can be created in the body of the article. Not necessarily in the Pie Chart. It is for population based understanding.Br Ibrahim john (talk) 15:39, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
About a Redirect
Hello Ibrahim, It would be useful for readers if you could make a Redirect page from"Latin Catholics of Kerala" to the article "Roman Catholics of Malabar" Micahhadar (talk) 05:07, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Hello
Hi... please check on this User, one User:Romancatholickochi, as his name suggests he is adding POV, personal views in the article Pesaha Appam.... continuosly adidng that Pesaha Appam is also prepared by Latin Catholics. Request you to take it to greater authorites if possible. Micahhadar (talk) 11:37, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
About the renaming of an article
Hello Br Ibrahim john, I am slightly concerned about the naming of the article "Roman Catholics of Malabar" as most Syrian Catholics of Kerala (Both Syro Malabar and Syro Malankara) unknowingly refer themselves as Roman Catholics (RC), so it may confuse the readers as especially the term "Malabar" could intensify the confusion. Most people refer the Latin Rite Roman Catholics of Kerala as Latin Catholics itself, so I feel that renaming the article to "Latin Catholics of Kerala" would be apt and keep "Roman Catholics of Malabar" as a redirect. Would it be an issue. If not please try to do it, as a Google search "Latin Catholics of Kerala" would not give the user direct access to the corresponding Wikipedia article. Thanks.... Micahhadar (talk) 01:27, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
- Micahhadar, although this would be inconsistent with Wikipedia's consensus for naming articles and categories, I think an exception here is worthwhile. Can you provide some reliable secondary sources that document their self-identifications? Thanks. Elizium23 (talk) 01:47, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
- Elizium23, Here are some sources which mention the Latin Rite Roman Catholics of Malabar as Latin Catholics. As the Saint Thomas Christians who use the Syriac rite (East Syriac and West Syriac) are mostly referred as Syrian Christians, the Christians who use the Roman rite of the Latin Church are most commonly referred as Latin Catholics of Kerala. Most news publications and sourced books refer the community as Latin Catholics of Kerala.
- https://books.google.co.in/books?id=eBPZAAAAMAAJ&dq=Latin+Catholics+of+Kerala&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y
- https://books.google.co.in/books?id=sEz7GgAACAAJ&dq=Latin+Catholics+of+Kerala&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y
Incidents
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Mappila (disambiguation)
I have returned the link to Mappila Muslims to the top of Mappila (disambiguation) because that is the proper format for a DAB page with a primary topic (per MOS:DABPRIMARY). If you think that Mappila Muslims should not be the target of Mappila - and I no knowledge of this area - please begin a discussion on the talk page for either Mappila or Mappila (disambiguation). Leschnei (talk) 21:23, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
Spelling
In Saint Thomas Christians you wrote "recieved". The correct spelling is "received". Jellysandwich0 (talk) 15:59, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
- Jellysandwich0, yes. That is true. Thank you for pointing out.Br Ibrahim john (talk) 16:42, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
Kadavil Chandy
Hey Br. John, I wanted to thank you for your additions on the history of the Syrian Christians in Kerala. However I wanted to let you know of a mistake that needs to be edited. I was reading your Kadavil Chandy article and from what I know about this figure he was in fact from Kaduthuruthy but he was not Knanaya. In fact the text "The Troubled Days of Francis Garcia S.J." by J. Thekadthu notes that he was the vicar of Mangat (Alengadu). From my research on this figure he was a Syrian Christian not Knanaya. In fact he's often praised by the Northist (Syrian Christian) community as one of their famous leaders. The pages cited from Vellian do not mention Kadavil Chandy as well. Thomast48 (talk)
- Thomast48, If you are sure about this, then you should certainly contribute to the article. Meanwhile, thank you for that information.Br Ibrahim john (talk) 01:50, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
July 2021
Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to West Syriac Rite, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. Bettering the Wiki (talk) 03:52, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Goodone121: I had given enough reasons for that removal. Don't try to drag me into an edit war. I am not interested in that. I really don't find any reason for displaying more than one image in the lead of the article. But since you have restored the second one, now I am going to add each and every West Syriac church representation there. Let's see what's reasonable. Have a nice day. Br Ibrahim john (talk) 04:29, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- You gave no reason in the edit summary for why the image was "extra". Bettering the Wiki (talk) 01:40, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- I really didn't find any reason for all images to be displayed in the lead section itself. Br Ibrahim john (talk) 01:56, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
August 2021
Your recent bold edit has been reverted. Per the bold, revert, discuss cycle, after a bold edit is reverted, the status quo should remain while a discussion is started instead of edit-warring, and it should be resolved before reinstating the edit, after a needed consensus is formed to keep it. Bettering the Wiki (talk) 03:23, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Goodone121: I think I should take the same position as I have took before in West Syriac Rite. I am going to add images of all heads of the Communion into the section. Br Ibrahim john (talk) 03:28, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
- Either only one or everyone. Br Ibrahim john (talk) 03:37, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
- You are violating WP:BRD, as the template said, as well as arguably WP:EDITWARring Bettering the Wiki (talk) 05:19, 3 August 2021 (UTC).
So are you. Br Ibrahim john (talk) 06:25, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
There is no reasonable explanation for Kiril to be there. If he want a place, let others also take there own positions Br Ibrahim john (talk) 06:26, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
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Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Mugsalot (talk) 20:50, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion
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