Diskussion:Edwin Dutton
Letzter Kommentar: vor 5 Jahren von Ureinwohner in Abschnitt Deutscher und/oder Brite
Deutscher und/oder Brite
Dass Dutton ab 1914 in Ruhleben interniert war, bedeutet, dass er zu dem Zeitpunkt Brite gewesen sein muss. Warum konnte er vorher für Deutschland spielen? Das ist unklar, zumal verschiedene Quellen unterschiedliche Geburtsorte nennen (vgl. englischsprachiges Wiki). Wenn er tatsächlich in Schlesien geboren war, hat das möglicherweise ausgereicht. Vielleicht war ja auch seine Mutter Deutsche. Da man all das nicht weiß, würde ich das lieber so vage formulieren wie bisher („deutsch-britisch“). Bei Newcastle hat er nach Auskunft des Vereinsarchivs meistens in der 2. Mannschaft und nach dem Krieg als Amateur gespielt. -- Gruß JustinCase (Diskussion) 12:09, 9. Aug. 2018 (CEST)
- @User:JustinCase: Passt der Teil zu seiner Zeit in Deutschland, v.a. für den Zeitraum bis 1910 ("Jugendabteilung"?, Zeiträume der Vereinszugehörigkeiten etc.)? Zuletzt hat Paul Joannou in Newcastle United: The Ultimate Who's Who 1881 - 2014. N Publishing, Newcastle upon Tyne 2014, ISBN 978-0-9568156-1-3 eine Kurzbiografie veröffentlicht, die ein paar zusätzliche Infos enthält und auch im British Newspaper Archive finden sich ein paar Schnipsel, seine Zeit in Ipswich wird in im schon 1986 erschienen The men who made the town. Official history of Ipswich Town F.C. ausreichend beschrieben. Würde mich da dran setzen, fände es aber gut, wenn der deutsche Artikelteil up-to-date und noch wichtiger, inhaltlicch korrekt wäre. --Ureinwohner uff 17:03, 1. Dez. 2019 (CET)
- A lot of interned British citizens, including Edwin Dutton, Steve Bloomer and Sam Wolstenholme, were allowed to go to the Netherlands before the end of the war. They were still interned but no longer had to live in a camp. In the summer of 1918 Dutton played cricket for V.V.V. in Amsterdam. He got a 3 month contract as AFC trainer starting 1 August 1918. [1]. When the war ended he returned to England. In 1924 he was living in The Hague again. [2] His wife was the daughter of his trainer at Newcastle United, James Quar McPherson sr. (James Quar McPherson Jr. was the Bayern Münich trainer). Dutton must haved returned to the Netherlands before 1924. In 1921, 1922, 1923 and 1924 there is a E. Dutton playing cricket for V.V.V. again. There's also this picture of E. Dutton manager of a sport equipment store in The Hague, helping to introduce the sport of table tennis in the Netherlands [3]. Cattivi (Diskussion) 23:30, 1. Dez. 2019 (CET)
- I love you :-). There are only a few articles that mention, that Dutton was back in Newcastle at some point after the war, but nothing about him playing again. Makes much more sense, that he was somewhere else. Im also not sure, about him being the trainer/coach of Stuttgarter Kickers for two full years. Whern he joined Ipswich, several articles state, that he was assistant coach at South Shields F.C. for two years, so he was possibly back in England in 1925. His brother in law nl:Robert McPherson was also with Ipswich later on, there was also a friendly match between Ipswich and Roberts Dutch club at some point. I'll put the pieces together at Benutzer:Ureinwohner/Testgelände8, you're welcome. --Ureinwohner uff 19:30, 2. Dez. 2019 (CET)
- A lot of interned British citizens, including Edwin Dutton, Steve Bloomer and Sam Wolstenholme, were allowed to go to the Netherlands before the end of the war. They were still interned but no longer had to live in a camp. In the summer of 1918 Dutton played cricket for V.V.V. in Amsterdam. He got a 3 month contract as AFC trainer starting 1 August 1918. [1]. When the war ended he returned to England. In 1924 he was living in The Hague again. [2] His wife was the daughter of his trainer at Newcastle United, James Quar McPherson sr. (James Quar McPherson Jr. was the Bayern Münich trainer). Dutton must haved returned to the Netherlands before 1924. In 1921, 1922, 1923 and 1924 there is a E. Dutton playing cricket for V.V.V. again. There's also this picture of E. Dutton manager of a sport equipment store in The Hague, helping to introduce the sport of table tennis in the Netherlands [3]. Cattivi (Diskussion) 23:30, 1. Dez. 2019 (CET)