Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Texas challenge flag

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 13:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Texas challenge flag

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It would appear to me this is a neologism. The article lacks references, and with the required WP:BEFORE done, that would seem to be because it is a new term that is without attestation in reliable sources. A move to a notional Draft:Texas challenge flag considered, but I doubt in would, at least in the near future - let's say by 2025 - be accepted. As always, please do prove me wrong. Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 08:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe the title is bad but the incidents are verifiable and the reliable sources are connecting those incidents as being related (to the idea that since the game has to stop if objects are thrown on the field, fans are doing such throwing because they disagree with officials/referees' calls). [I am the article creator] (u t c m l ) 🔒 ALL IN 🧿 10:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There are no reliable sources provided that refer to this topic. The only sources I find that refer to this are eith not reliable or not independent. E.g. this. Delete per WP:NOTNEO, WP:GNG, and bordering on WP:HOAX. Cbl62 (talk) 15:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The fan/flag situation at the game was somewhat notable, but no cited sources use this WP:NEO article title. Could add mentions to 2024 NCAA Division I FBS football season instead... or try to establish notability of the Texas vs. Georgia game itself for its own article. I would support creation of an article like Interference (baseball) for gridiron football where notable instances like this can be listed. Perhaps should list it at List of violent spectator incidents in sports... "Incidents of object or snow throwing are included when it ... causes significant delays or cancellation of the event." PK-WIKI (talk) 17:45, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely delete under that title, as there are no reliable sources using the phrase "Texas challenge flag". Also, that title assumes that these incidents acted as a challenge flag, despite the evidence that it had no effect on officiating. I very much doubt that this content is salvageable under any title because it's not clear that the three incidents are more than superficially related, and it's even less clear that the throwing of debris had any effect beyond a fine for the home team (in at least one case). Pichpich (talk) 20:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because there is a disconnect between fans' understanding of the rules, and the actual rules. That's the whole reason there was no actual effect. But what the cited articles are referring to is the fact that some fans think that they can achieve a reversed call this way, which is why they have tried to do it. (u t c m l ) 🔒 ALL IN 🧿 00:10, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Throwing debris on the field/pitch/ice/court when the crowd doesn't like a call is a time-honored tradition and existed way before video review. It's a dumb way to express one's frustration but I'm sure the vast majority of those throwing debris are not dumb enough to think it will influence the refs and help their team. Pichpich (talk) 17:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete; I don't even know where to start with this: WP:NOTNEWS, WP:RECENTISM, and moreso WP:Wikipedia is not for things made up one day. Probably some WP:OR mixed in also, but it's not worth spending more time than necessary examining that. There's only two sources that have a chance of counting towards WP:GNG, but they don't mention this term let alone directly discuss the topic with in-depth secondary coverage. The conference website is not an independent reference for those incidents, and their official statements are primary sources. Left guide (talk) 05:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per everyone above. Esb5415 (talk) (C) 17:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that as additional games have occurred, additional debris-throwing incidents have occurred, and additional sources have mentioned the connection to Texas-Georgia, I have been able to expand the article further with additional content and references. (u t c m l ) 🔒 ALL IN 🧿 05:24, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You may add those two incidents here, using the same references. 2601AC47 (talk|contribs) Isn't a IP anon 13:10, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.