Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/No-code development platform

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. ‑Scottywong | [verbalize] || 05:30, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No-code development platform

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Just another name for what's known as Visual Programming Languages - See Visual programming language. Looks like the article is written by technical editors with practical experience where the term (No-code) is used, but in computer science researchers are using the term (visual programming language) from 40 years ago! So this is another article about the same topic but with a different name Charmk (talk) 06:14, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Kvng I am interested in your opinion in this discussion since you rejected the article submission in the past. Charmk (talk) 06:24, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Charmk, my proposal was to merge this to Low-code development platform. The argument was made by Group29 that there is a difference between the two but there is clearly significant overlap so I think it can be done effectively in one article. ~Kvng (talk) 12:34, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kvng At least the Low-code development platform article have a reason to exist. Using google scholar, you will find it in the literature, and the article demonstrates the difference between (Low-code development platform) and the (Integrated development environment). So we have (Code Editor ---> Integrated Development Environment ---> Visual Programming Language) Then we have (Low-code development platform) as something between the IDE and the VPL. (Code Editor ---> IDE ---> Low-code ---> VPL). so the (No-code) is just a VPL and it doesn't exist in the literature (use google scholar) because we already have (Visual Programming Languages). Charmk (talk) 13:53, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Charmk, I think it would be at least slightly less WP:ASTONISHING if a search for "no-code" landed you at "low-code" than "visual programming language" ~Kvng (talk) 20:50, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kvng, Yes I agree with you. Charmk (talk) 22:49, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The nominator has added a sentence to the article claiming that NCDP = VPL, but it's not backed up by a source. Given that the AfD hinges on that argument, I think we need something to substantiate it. Or if there are other grounds for the AfD, could we have details, please? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:11, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Check this reference

"No-code development could also be regarded as a form of visual programming. Instead of text-based development environments, users manipulate code elements through drag-and-drop user interfaces. A popular example is MIT Media Lab’s Scratch programming language, which uses graphical programming blocks to teach children and adults how to code."
Comment I don't think "could be regarded" and "a form of" quite add up to saying that the two terms and concepts are synonymous, at least not to the extent of rendering this article superfluous. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:15, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This article is written in 2018 by people who think that (No-code development platform) is something new or the current trend and think that readers need an article about it. but the reality is, this thing is very old (exist from 40 years ago and is known to computer scientists as visual programming languages). creating another article with a different name will separate the knowledge here and there and will introduce (knowledge repetition). Charmk (talk) 08:24, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

From the (No-code development platform) article we have "No-code development platform (NCDPs) allows programmers and non-programmers to create application software through graphical user interfaces and configuration instead of traditional computer programming." and "Core Design - No-code platforms tend to function off a model-driven, declarative approach where the end user dictates an app's design through drag and drop manipulation or simple logic.".

Using graphical user interfaces, drag and drop instead of writing the textual source code --> This is what we call (Visual Programming).
The software that uses (Visual Programming) to create new software without the need to write any textual code ---> This is what we call (Visual Programming Language).
So this article is just about Visual programming language. check the references here and there. the (No-Code) article is based on technical articles (Written by Business People & Programmers) but the Visual programming language article is based on literature from Computer Science (What scientists have presented about the topic). Charmk (talk) 07:48, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:58, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep This is obviously not a new idea. Computers were originally programmed with plugboards and wires and that was a different sort of no-code paradigm. And then you had COBOL which was promoted as being close to natural English. And you then had flowcharts. Anyway, none of this is a reason to delete anything. If there's some new methodology that is being hyped then just add it to the pile. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:16, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Davidson This article is not about (no-code paradigm) it's about (No-code development platform) which is the same thing as (Visual Programming Language). Charmk (talk) 22:53, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Charmk is suggesting that the topic is a content fork. If it's a redundant fork, then per WP:REDUNDANTFORK, "If the content fork was unjustified, the more recent article should be merged back into the main article." Merger is not done by deletion. My !vote stands. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:58, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment For editors who want to keep the article, please provide an answer to this question:
What is the difference between (no-code development platform) and (visual programming language)?
I see that they are the same thing, so one article is enough. Charmk (talk) 22:53, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Charmk should please read WP:BLUDGEON. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:58, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I'm not convinced the concepts are entirely identical or the terms synonymous, and I see no grounds for deleting. Instead, a short section might be added on taxonomy and 'compare & contrast' vis-a-vis VPL. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:02, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment BradMyers I am interested in your opinion in this discussion as a known researcher in the field of Human computer interaction and visual programming languages. (I think we need opinions from experts) Charmk (talk) 01:24, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.