Talk:Expulsions and exoduses of Jews/Archive 1

Archive 1

Is there any good reason why the timeline is in reverse chronological order?

I can't see one... most timelines on Wikipedia go from the oldest events to the most recent. I'm going to be bold and reverse the direction of this one to put the earliest events are at the top, as it's surely easier to read that way. No judgement on the content of the timeline is intended. Terraxos 00:07, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I support you. Emmanuelm (talk) 14:36, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

This Timeline is Very Sparse

At last count, Jews have been expelled from over 80 countries/territories that are well documented. Therefore, the fact that this page only lists a dozen instances is a shame. Hardly any ethno-religious group has been expelled from as many places as Jews have, so I think that this page should be massively expanded to reflect this long history of Jews being expelled from virtually everywhere they have lived. --172.154.4.23 19:44, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Your help would be appreciated. Let's keep it WP:NPOV and consider registering. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 22:33, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree, stop complaining, start editing. Emmanuelm (talk) 15:14, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

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Image removed to satisfy the WP copyright nazis. They even have a bot now! Emmanuelm (talk) 18:59, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Law of Return

The second paragraph in the lede now reads: After its establishment in 1948, the State of Israel adopted the 1950 Law of Return making Israel a home not only for the inhabitants of the State, but also for all members of the Jewish people everywhere. This law was intended to make Israel an ideal destination for voluntary Jewish repatriation. It seemed quite easy to separate the factual portions from the rest - After its establishment in 1948, the State of Israel adopted the 1950 Law of Return encouraging Jewish immigration. - but I was immediately reverted. Neither the tone nor content of what I removed complies with WP:NPOV. Is there some sort of in-between that does the job better? Jd2718 (talk) 06:13, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Is there a quote by someone involved that mentions the connection of the establishment of Israel to the many Jewish refuges at the time? Obviously people who voluntarily repatriate are not the same as refuges. Borock (talk) 11:32, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Circular reference

There was a sentence in the lede: "This law was intended to make Israel an ideal destination for voluntary Jewish repatriation" As voluntary Jewish repatriation was piped to Aliyah, the sense was "... to make Israel an ideal destination for immigration to Israel..." I left it at "encourage Jewish immigration..." Jd2718 (talk) 15:15, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

1933-1945, Misleading info about WW2 refugees to Palestine

Is there any reason why the article doesn't give numbers of Jewish refugees to Palestine from Europe during and after WW2? Does it have anything to do with the following phrase?

"The British Mandate of Palestine prohibited Jewish immigration to the Land of Israel"

Everybody knows that the British Mandate Palestine immigration restrictions were grossly violated and that hundreds of thousands Jews were clandestinely brought from Europe to Palestine despite the laws and the objections of the Palestinian people. Mentioning the immigration restriction but not saying that they were nevertheless violated, is misleading. It gives the impression that none of the Jewish WW2 refugees came to Palestine. Also, it is unfair to mention that Palestine had immigration restrictions (which were grossly violated) while the US (among many other countries) also had the same immigration restrictions and refused to accept any Jews above the quota. I know that maybe it doesn't help the zionist cause to reveal that most of pre 1948 Jews were unwanted illegal refugees, but how can you hide this kind of essential information on an encyclopedia?

One other thing that bothers me is that the article states that from 1948 on 600.000 Jewish "refugees" came to Israel from Middle Eastern, Muslim countries. It seems as if ALL of those immigrants were refugees and just barely escaped another holocaust in the Middle East. Undoubtedly there were tensions in the Middle East (Arab-Israeli war 1948) and Jews had a hard time but it is unfair to say that every single Jew that came to Israel from the Middle East was a refugee. Other regular immigration motivations like religious reasons, political ideology, poverty in country of origin, higher living standards in Israel, employment, education, business opportunities, free or cheap land or housing and general idealism might also have played a role for these "refugees". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.56.180.243 (talk) 22:11, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion for new reference 1933

Hello, I suggest, to add the following references after the 1933 persecution part:

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[...]1933-1945: The German Nazi persecution started with the Nazi boycott of Jewish businesses in 1933 , reached a first climax [...]

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--Martin397 (talk) 03:23, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

600,000 refugees

Galassi, please could you provide clear and reputable sourcing for the claim that ALL 600,000 were refugees? I have read in detail on this subject and can tell you that it is definitely not true, but I encourage you to research in detail to reach your own conclusion. But please can we bring the discussion here first instead of trying to force unsourced statements in to the article. Oncenawhile (talk) 21:14, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Khorasan

I can see why people get confused as to where the Ten Tribes were taken, and where they might subsequently have gone, when ill informed or misguided folks make assertions such as this. For one thing, Khorasan (any version you like) is way outside what's generally considered by historians to be even the maximal limits of the Neo-Assyrian Empire. For seconds, all the places identified in the Bible as the end destination of the exiles are in Northern Syria, east of the Euphrates (Halah, (K)habur (a tributary of the Euphrates and nothing to do with Afghanistan) and Gozan) or Western Iran (the cities of the Medes)

Mark76 (talk) 15:33, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Title

Shouldn't this page be titled Jewish Expulsions, or Expulsions of Jews? It's not about the refugees per se, it's about the circumstances which led to the refugees

Hartzl (talk) 17:11, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

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Ah, grammar

In 2010 an edit attempted to explain the disposition of the ten lost tribes of Israel. I have no opinion about that, but the edit text is confused. Somehow I have to think what was intended was

... ; but these tribes are not considered Jewish, rather Samaritan.

Unless the Samaritan thing is totally wrong, any problems with changing the text? Shenme (talk) 01:20, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

sources

To editor Göbbelschen: You must add sources to back your additions. Otherwise they will be removed. Zero^talk 18:11, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Expulsion of 1421

I've found a non-circular reliable source relating to the Jewish expulsion of 1421 from Austria, from the Museum of the Jewish People in Beit Hatfutsot.

Link: https://www.bh.org.il/jewish-spotlight/austria/middle-ages/persecution/

However, the current page is incorrect on several accounts: it lists the expulsion as being ordered by Archduke Albert II, while the Museum states that it was Archduke Albrecht V. As well, the Museum states the expulsion as beginning in 1420, rather than 1421. To locate the information on the page linked, use Ctrl-F and search "On 23 May 1420", without the quotations.

While I would like to correct this, I do not have the requisite 500 edits on my account. Is there anyone who does that can use this source to correct the error? LonelyProgrammer (talk) 02:52, 18 September 2020 (UTC)