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This is an archive of discussions from Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals for the month of December 2006. Please move completed December discussions to this page as they occur, add discussion headers to each proposal showing the result, and leave incomplete discussions on the Proposals page. After December, the remainder of the discussions will be moved to this page, whether stub types have been created or not.

Those who create a stub template/cat should be responsible for moving the discussion here and listing the stub type in the archive summary.

Stub proposers please note: Items tagged as "nocreate" or "no consensus" are welcome for re-proposal if and when circumstances are auspicious.

{{Texas-airport-stub}}

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StubSense (which is back! only slightly lagged! huzzah!) reports 52 airport stubs in Texas; not enough for a category, but enough for an upmerged template. --CComMack (t–c) 20:33, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Support. Although I am surprised to see that they are that many stubs and not full blown articles. --- Skapur 18:13, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

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{{Malaysia-rail-stub}}

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The result of the debate was create.
This would be a subcategory to Category:Malaysia stubs, which contains nearly 530 articles/entries. There is also over 60 articles relating to rail in Malaysia, mostly about the railway/LRT/Monorail stations in Malaysia. Acs4b 06:04, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

How many of those articles are stubs? Aelfthrytha 03:01, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
72 articles are stubs (The number only includes all the [[::Category:Rail Transport (Klang Valley) stations|railway stations in Malaysia]] that are stubs) Acs4b 04:47, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

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{{Mech-eng-stub}} / Category:Mechanical engineering stubs

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The result of the debate was create as mech-engineering-stub.
This would be a subcategory to Category:Engineering stubs, which presently contains almost 400 entries. Well over 60 of these would move to this category. Also, the {{Auto-tech-stub}} presently under discussion here (which inspired this proposal) would be a sub-category of this. --Athol Mullen 22:57, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment The parent stub is {{engineering-stub}} but two current topical sub types are {{comp-eng-stub}} and {{soft-eng-stub}}. {{eng-stub}} would be ambiguous, but do we want to eradicate the abrreviated forms for the subfields where they aren't ambiguous in and of themselves? I.e., should the template be {{mech-engineering-stub}} or {{mechanical-engineering-stub}} in place of the proposed {{mech-eng-stub}}? Caerwine Caer’s whines 07:50, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
I'd definitely go with mech-engineering-stub. "Mech" isn't that ambiguous in this context, but mechanised engraving and mechanical engines make "eng" more ambiguous - and that's without even thinking about it as an abbreviation of England. I didn't know about soft-eng-stub or I would have objected to that at the time (I've used soft-engraving techniques in art before now). Grutness...wha? 08:04, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Comment. I vote for mechanical-engineering-stub. This way it will be consistent when people writing articles on election engineering want their own stub :-) --- Skapur 19:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
I would have preferred the abbreviation for convenience sake (less typing, etc.) but obviously that's not liked. Now it's a choice between {{mech-engineering-stub}} or {{mechanical-engineering-stub}}. I'm leaning strongly towards {{mech-engineering-stub}}. Opinions? --Athol Mullen 05:06, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

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Singapore law stub

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The result of the debate was do not create.
I propose to create a new stub, called {{Singapore-law-stub}}, for articles dealing with Singapore law. Any views? Cheers.

How many known stubs do you expect to use this. If you know of 60 or more, support, otherwise, oppose. Caerwine Caer’s whines 06:55, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

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{{fly-stub}} (Category:Diptera stubs) and {{bug-stub}} (Category:Hemiptera stubs)

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Two more divisions of {{insect-stub}}, which will become laborious to clear if it gets too clogged with hundreds of stubs at a time. These are both large orders of insects: the Hemiptera, the "true bugs," and Diptera, or "true flies." Each has more than 60 available:

Any thoughts? A2Kafir 01:23, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

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{{child-novel-stub}} / Category:Children's novel stubs

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105 under Category:Children's novels and Category:Children's book stubs, which, like Topsy, has growed. Her Pegship (tis herself) 17:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

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Category:Japanese martial arts biography stubs

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In the category of "forgiveness rather than permission", I've created this to try to help with JP-bios. Now, my original plan -- and indeed part-implemented as such -- was just to sort these as "sports bios", but that's fuzzy in some cases (I noticed it being silently removed from a number of aikidoka), and outright wrong in others (feudal era sword masters). So better to deal with this sooner rather than later (plus I'm unlikely to be doing same in a week's time). Alai 02:24, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Support. Although I thought you knew better that to ask forgiveness rather than permission. --- Skapur 18:18, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

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{{Nicaragua-bio-stub}} / Category:Nicaraguan people stubs

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The result of the debate was create.
Nicaragua-stub has 159 articles, the vast majority of which look to be biographies. It seems quite viable.--Thomas.macmillan 21:22, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Support. Costa Rica is even bigger, and many of the others are pretty close as well. How about we give all the Central American countries an upmerged -bio template, and create categories whenever we find a good number of articles (50-55 or so)? Bolivia looks viable as well. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 23:36, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Sounds great to me. Support Costa Rica, Bolivia templates and category and upmerged -bio templates for all Central American countries--Thomas.macmillan 23:39, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Support this. And given that we're surely past the tipping point where there being a -bio-stub template for a given country is an expectation, rather than a hope, I see no harm in creating upmerged templates for all such. Alai 03:50, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Makes sense to me. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 00:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
At a quick count-up, I'd say there are 60 potential ElSalvador-bio-stubs, too (so that one's viable by itself), along with 40-50 potential Guatemala-bio-stubs, too, and about the same number of potential Honduras-bio-stubs (about 25 from Belize as well). As far as South America, that would only leave Guyana (about 35), Suriname (about 15) and French Guiana (we don't even have a base stub category for that!). This sounds like a reasonable scheme. Grutness...wha? 00:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
And there's probably more material around somewhere. Support the South Americans as well per Grutness. But yes, we need to expand the material on French Guiana. :) This place must be known for something else than Kourou and the road that was never completed. (Hint: Never build a road in the middle of a malaria area.) Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 01:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, there was always that Dreyfus business... Seriously though, there's a geo-stub category for it, so perhaps we could try to find enough non-geo-stubs that an upmerged general template at least is a reasonable idea. Grutness...wha? 01:04, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I just noticed that both Peru and Bolivia have c. 50 -politician articles each [1] so we might as well give them both upmerged -politician templates now that we're going through this material anyway. Same procedure as every year regarding the categories. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 15:50, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Update: Apparently the Guatemalan template / category had been created some time ago, and sorting through this material, the vast majority of -bios are in fact politicians. Let's follow the African example and create upmerged -politician templates for the countries in Central and South America as well. Might as well sort it all out in one go. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 10:10, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

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Hungary-geo-stub split

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Category:Hungary geography stubs is at exactly 800 stubs. Is this perhaps a good time to split it? Hungary consists of 7 regions, divided in 20 counties. Several of the counties reach 60 stubs, and all of the rest have enough potential to reach that limit in the future (all of them except Budapest have a large number of towns and villages that do not have an article yet). The relevant stub counts are:

I propose creating stubcats for the first 6 counties, and possibly creating one for the Central Transdanubia region, Category:Central Transdanubia geography stubs. The other counties and regions have less than 40 stubs each.

I've already created the corresponding (county-level) stub templates, as they were useful in counting the stubs. They are named {{Bacs-geo-stub}}, {{Bekes-geo-stub}} etc. using the unaccented shortened names of the counties; I don't object to redirs at the full names {{BácsKiskun-geo-stub}} etc. -- Eugène van der Pijll 13:21, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

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New football bios

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The result of the debate was create.
My assault on the European football bios continues:

I realize the last is undersized, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's more hanging out untagged, and it's not like you'll hurt my feelings if you say no.  :-) --fuzzy510 21:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Support all Nomatter if we have 60 for the last or not, the growth potential is certainly there. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 12:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

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Category:US Marine Corps Personnel

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The result of the debate was create as United States Marine Corps personnel stubs.
The tempate already exists and has over 100 articles linked to it so this would be a viable split from the large US-mil-bio-stub. Waacstats 11:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

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Canada-footy-bio-stub

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{{Canada-footy-bio-stub}}, Category:Canadian soccer biography stubs

Just subcat Category:Canadian sportspeople stubs. Matthew_hk tc 04:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

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Various novel stubs

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The result of the debate was create & upmerge as noted.

{{1900s-novel-stub}}, Category:1900s novel stubs - assigned articles 34
{{1910s-novel-stub}}, Category:1910s novel stubs - assigned articles 39
{{1920s-novel-stub}}, Category:1920s novel stubs - assigned articles 60
{{1940s-novel-stub}}, Category:1940s novel stubs - assigned articles 67 (from and earlier create)

Having just gone through the recommended procedure mentioned in the "old business" below the counts assigned to the templates are as recorded above. Even I was a little surprise how many there were. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 14:53, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

'20s is fine (as is the existing 40s), others are better kept upmerged for now. (Also, any chance of making these look like standard stub templates, in the manner of the WP:STUB model?) Alai 15:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Added as suggested above - adjusted to bring a bit more in line. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 15:49, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Noticed you made some more changes - sorry - thought I had got it taped. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 16:46, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
No problem -- I could have been clearer about what I meant. Just wanted to make sure we weren't rowing in opposite directions. In particular, I think it's useful for the template appear in the category -- especially for upmerged templates, where otherwise someone browsing the parent won't notice they exist. The Wikiproject links and the like are more usefully placed on the category page, I think -- for one thing, it reduces the "self-refs" in article-space templates, and if they're noincluded on the templates, they're less likely to be noticed than on the category page, anway. Alai 17:10, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation and the assistance. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 16:21, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

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Category:Portuguese sports venue stubs

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The result of the debate was create.
As is to prove that you really can't keep a good stub type down, the euro-sports-venues are oversized again. Pending a fresh db dump, best I can come up with is this. OTOH, if said dump reveals some other country has leapt ahead, I shall in fickle fashion switch my attentions to that... Alai 03:05, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

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Category:Lake Macquarie geography stubs

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The result of the debate was create as modified.
The NSW geos are oversized yet again, this is the best I can come up with, at a disgracefully small 38, and it's not clear that there's much in the way of undercatting. (Well, if I want to get a rise out of Grutness, I could propose Category:New South Wales river stubs, but that's hardly any larger at 40.) However, there's LM WPJ: I know, because they've left their category in the main category tree, rather untidily. That could conceivably give us the excuse, though their actual scope would be a little wider than this. Alai 23:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Hrmph. Sure there isn't some undersorting of the Sydney ones? NSW's tricky - it seems to be divided into a couple of hundred shires, with nothing between that and the state level. Don't really like the idea of this split, but I can't think of any real alternative... Grutness...wha? 04:19, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
If there's much unsorting (or uncatting) to that or any other existing type, it wasn't evident when I crunched the numbers. There's bound to be some, of course. Alai 07:02, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, I've created this as Category:Hunter region geography stubs, with:

Some redlinks to clean up... Alai 18:34, 16 December 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Category:Lunar geological feature stubs or Category:Lunar crater stubs

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The result of the debate was create.
Either of these would have over 600 stubs, with a tiny difference in membership (so one or the other, not both); the parent is, rather suddenly, over 1100. (Many of these are probably just undercategorised, so I'd personally favour the craters type, lest we end up simply moving almost all of these from this type to a new one.) Alai 23:31, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah - I'd go for the geographical features (more technically selenographic, but I don't think many people really use that term these days). I think that beyond earth is one place we can split more readily by type of feature, so if this gets too big cuting the craters out as a separate subcat may be worthwhile. Grutness...wha? 04:19, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
At any rate, the permcat doesn't use that term. My concern about the more inclusive type is that once categorisation is complete, they'd probably be almost all those. Come to that, it may not be far off being true for the craters, either, but one can at least hope... Alai 04:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

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{{Marsu-stub}} | Category:Marsupial stubs

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The result of the debate was create as marsupial-stub.
In the first 50 mammal stubs, 14 are about marsupials. I think they should get their own stub template/category. Eli Falk 08:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

You need 60 in total at least... Monni 13:35, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I only checked the first 50 stubs out of approx. 400. Even if that is relatively high, I think that there's got to be more than 60.
In addition, the mammal stubs category and its sub-categories keep getting fuller. In July, when I proposed Category:Carnivora stubs and Category:Even-toed Ungulate stubs, there were approx. 700 articles in the mammal stub category. Now there are 971 articles in the mammal stub category and it's newer sub-categories, so even if there's just under 60 now, there will probably be 60 soon. Eli Falk 14:32, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
May I ask what's wrong with {{marsupial-stub}}? It's not all that long and certainly much clearer than marsu (which, as you'll note, doesn't exist). ~ Amalas rawr =^_^= 14:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Support, but strongly agree with Amalas's point about the template name. Clarity is worth the four extra characters... Alai 15:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Not only that, but marsu is Finnish for guinea pig! Caerwine Caer’s whines 18:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Support template as per Amalas. Monni 18:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Whee - that was quick - whatever happened to waiting five days? Grutness...wha? 04:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Not that I support such action, but now that it was done early there are 147 articles in that category, which proves me right about that there is enough. Eli Falk 10:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

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1970 and prior MLB pitchers

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The result of the debate was create upmerged templates.
I've been working on stub sorting {{Baseball-pitcher-stub}} into the 1980's , 1990's, and 2000's buckets, and it occurred to me that we probably should have a "1970 and before" stub as well. Otherwise, the stub sorters will be checking the same pitchers over and over and over to see if they belong in the three existing sub-stubs. Kathy A. 00:11, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Not how we've done similar type splits in the past, and it will mean that when it's time to add {{1970s-baseball-pitcher-stub}}, we'll need to restub all of the semi-sorted stubs into the new 1970s stub and a 1960s and before stubs. I could see adding addition templates that would feed into Category:Baseball pitcher stubs until there are enough for their own separate category, but not a temporary semi-sorted category. Caerwine Caer’s whines 03:28, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure it's the right axis, but if it's the "right now" axis, and will get it off the long-standing-oversized list... For the reasons CW mentions, ideally create per-decade templates, even if they feed into the same "bucket". Alai 04:19, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Good points. My editing experience is intermediate, and I hadn't previously run across the idea of creating multiple templates that feed into the same stub. If someone could direct me to where I can learn how to do that, I'd be happy to work on the project. It would help me feel like I'm not spinning my wheels in the pitcher stubs, and make life much, much easier for when new stubs are created. Kathy A. 15:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
You're right, a "central resource" on this would be sensible, and doesn't really exist. I might try to do some off-line redrafting of parts of WP:STUB while I'm digesting my Christmas pud... But in this case, basically just make multiple copies of {{1980s-baseball-pitcher-stub}}, changing the occurrences of "1980s" as appropriate, but giving them all the same category; say, [[Category:Pre-1980 baseball pitcher stubs]] (or whatever there's a consensus for this to be called). (It's I think a good idea to top-sort the templates for upmerged types, so that it's immediately apparent from looking at the beginning of the category which exist, but this code already does that.) If you run into any difficulties, just contact me, I'll be happy to help, or likewise any of the "usual suspects" for stub template creation, for whom I'm sure the same is true. Alai 15:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Again, thanks! I think I've got it done now. (I'd welcome anyone to look it over and double check.)Kathy A. 16:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
That's it, though I think the lengthy list of templates on the category page is a bit redundant, given the aforementioned top-sorting of the templates themselves, and takes up a lot of space (leading to the dreaded "where did the articles go?" syndrome). Personally I'd remove that, and just make reference to their general form and range. Alai 16:56, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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{{US-gov-bio-stub}}

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The result of the debate was create.
This would be in parallel to the existing {{UK-gov-bio-stub}}. It should easily reach 60 and should take about one third to one half of the stubs I'm having to leave in Category:American people stubs for now as I sort through them. Caerwine Caer’s whines 23:16, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

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Energy stubs:Proposed United states naval reactors stub

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The result of the debate was redirect nuclear-energy-stub to nuclear-power-stub.
in the energy stubs there is a group of 26 nuclear reactors which could be moved into a seperate category Inwind 19:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Too small for a stub type, but a {{nuclear-energy-stub}} → Category:Nuclear energy stubs → Category:Nuclear energy → (Category:Nuclear technology & Category:Energy) should be viable. Caerwine Caer’s whines 22:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I prefer using power instead of energy {{nuclear-power-stub}} → Category:Nuclear power stubs → Category:Nuclear power → (Category:Nuclear technology & Category:Energy) Inwind 21:26, 13 December 2006 (UTC).
I see we're db-authoring stuff before the discussion period's even finished. I've sped the first cat, and agree that the permcat-consistent alternative is preferable, but I suggest keeping the {{nuclear-energy-stub}} redirect for reasons of symmetry with the parent's template, and thus hopefully avoiding needless confusion and second-guessing. Alai 21:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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Asian American WikiProject stubs

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The result of the debate was create as specified by Alai.
I'm in Wikipedia:WikiProjectAsianAmericans and would like some suggestions as to a stub template. I'm not sure that a stub template will do it all, but either way, it should be possible. Possibly {{Asian-American-stub}} or {{AsianAmerican-stub}}. Approval? Wait... that was a stub template. Never mind.

  • But as you mention it... This has the same problems as previously-discussed types. If this is for "people and matters notable in connection with Asian American affairs", it's OK, as long as that's clear, and is stuck to. If it's for "sorting people by ethnicity who are notable for assorted things unrelated to their ethnicity", that's a problem. What you may ultimately want is a talk-page template, which you're free to scope as you wish (accordining to primary notability or otherwise). Alai 17:52, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

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{{Medal-stub}}, Category:Orders and medals stubs

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The result of the debate was created as Orders-medals-stub / Order, decoration, and medal stubs.
Wikipedia's coverage of national Orders, decorations, and medals is distinctly patchy. Apart from the most famous awards, most articles are stubs. Just to take two categories at random, Category:Canadian orders and decorations and Category:Orders and decorations of Australia contain few, if any, reasonably-sized articles. A Wikiproject is just about to be started to try and remedy this gap in coverage, so it would be a good idea for it to have its own stub category.

Xdamrtalk 14:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, {{award-stub}} covers everything from academic prizes to sporting prizes, medals for humanitarianism to medals for broadcasting - with goodness knows what else in between! This stub would be solely for orders and medals, civil or military, which are part of national honours systems.
Xdamrtalk 15:17, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I can see the difficulty with {{medal-stub}}. As far as a new name goes, {{order-stub}} sounds good. {{odm-stub}} is another alternative that springs to mind (ODM = Orders, decorations, and medals) but does it sound too cryptic? Perhaps call the stub category Category:Order, decoration, and medal stubs to match it up. For some reason, dropping the plurals from the category name doesn't quite sound right - but if it conforms to established practice then we can do it that way.
Xdamrtalk 22:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Definitely cryptic. What about separate {{mil-medal-stub}}/{{order-stub}}/{{decoration-stub}} templates and/or redirects, all feeding into the same category? Alai 03:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, I don't know. It doesn't really sound terribly more cryptic than something like {{Cvg-char-stub}} (computer and video game characters), surely?
Xdamrtalk 13:56, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I think redirects would be best choice. I don't like initialisms much... Monni 14:20, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I think three stubs is unnecessary duplication. As far as a single, unified name goes, I've tried to come up with a few new alternatives. The best I've been able to come up with is {{orders-medals-stub}}. How is this?
Xdamrtalk 17:47, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm not talking about three separate stub types, just covering all the obvious bases in terms of template names. But I'm OK with your latter suggestion, too. Alai 18:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
oppose new proposition Monni 21:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
What exactly do you mean?
Xdamrtalk 21:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I prefer {{medal-stub}} as this would cover some of the exonumia that was dis-approved as a stub proposal last month. --JAYMEDINC 22:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
No, it wouldn't, what does non-legal tender transaction tokens have to do with orders and decorations? Absolutely nothing as far as I can see. But it does point out how medal by itself is just too ambiguous for medal-stub to be used as a template for this stub type. Caerwine Caer’s whines 22:53, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
According to the exonumia article, medals are exonumia. All I was saying is that some types of medals that I would've included in the ill-fated exonumia stub would do just fine in the proposed medal stub. A better fit than in the {{coin-stub}} that was approved instead. I also appologize because I didn't come in here to debate the definition of exonumia and what fits in there. I just came to give my support for the proposed medal stub.--JAYMEDINC 23:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Template:Sfd bottom===Asian American WikiProject stubs===

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The result of the debate was create as specified by Alai.
I'm in Wikipedia:WikiProjectAsianAmericans and would like some suggestions as to a stub template. I'm not sure that a stub template will do it all, but either way, it should be possible. Possibly {{Asian-American-stub}} or {{AsianAmerican-stub}}. Approval? Wait... that was a stub template. Never mind.

  • But as you mention it... This has the same problems as previously-discussed types. If this is for "people and matters notable in connection with Asian American affairs", it's OK, as long as that's clear, and is stuck to. If it's for "sorting people by ethnicity who are notable for assorted things unrelated to their ethnicity", that's a problem. What you may ultimately want is a talk-page template, which you're free to scope as you wish (accordining to primary notability or otherwise). Alai 17:52, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

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{{Medal-stub}}, Category:Orders and medals stubs

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The result of the debate was created as Orders-medals-stub / Order, decoration, and medal stubs.
Wikipedia's coverage of national Orders, decorations, and medals is distinctly patchy. Apart from the most famous awards, most articles are stubs. Just to take two categories at random, Category:Canadian orders and decorations and Category:Orders and decorations of Australia contain few, if any, reasonably-sized articles. A Wikiproject is just about to be started to try and remedy this gap in coverage, so it would be a good idea for it to have its own stub category.

Xdamrtalk 14:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, {{award-stub}} covers everything from academic prizes to sporting prizes, medals for humanitarianism to medals for broadcasting - with goodness knows what else in between! This stub would be solely for orders and medals, civil or military, which are part of national honours systems.
Xdamrtalk 15:17, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I can see the difficulty with {{medal-stub}}. As far as a new name goes, {{order-stub}} sounds good. {{odm-stub}} is another alternative that springs to mind (ODM = Orders, decorations, and medals) but does it sound too cryptic? Perhaps call the stub category Category:Order, decoration, and medal stubs to match it up. For some reason, dropping the plurals from the category name doesn't quite sound right - but if it conforms to established practice then we can do it that way.
Xdamrtalk 22:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Definitely cryptic. What about separate {{mil-medal-stub}}/{{order-stub}}/{{decoration-stub}} templates and/or redirects, all feeding into the same category? Alai 03:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, I don't know. It doesn't really sound terribly more cryptic than something like {{Cvg-char-stub}} (computer and video game characters), surely?
Xdamrtalk 13:56, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I think redirects would be best choice. I don't like initialisms much... Monni 14:20, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I think three stubs is unnecessary duplication. As far as a single, unified name goes, I've tried to come up with a few new alternatives. The best I've been able to come up with is {{orders-medals-stub}}. How is this?
Xdamrtalk 17:47, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm not talking about three separate stub types, just covering all the obvious bases in terms of template names. But I'm OK with your latter suggestion, too. Alai 18:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
oppose new proposition Monni 21:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
What exactly do you mean?
Xdamrtalk 21:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I prefer {{medal-stub}} as this would cover some of the exonumia that was dis-approved as a stub proposal last month. --JAYMEDINC 22:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
No, it wouldn't, what does non-legal tender transaction tokens have to do with orders and decorations? Absolutely nothing as far as I can see. But it does point out how medal by itself is just too ambiguous for medal-stub to be used as a template for this stub type. Caerwine Caer’s whines 22:53, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
According to the exonumia article, medals are exonumia. All I was saying is that some types of medals that I would've included in the ill-fated exonumia stub would do just fine in the proposed medal stub. A better fit than in the {{coin-stub}} that was approved instead. I also appologize because I didn't come in here to debate the definition of exonumia and what fits in there. I just came to give my support for the proposed medal stub.--JAYMEDINC 23:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

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{{Africa-artist-stub}}/Cat:African artist stubs

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The result of the debate was create.
I've added at least sixty stub articles on African artists over the past week; combined with the stuff I've found looking through the "artists-by-country" category, I know there's more than enough to justify creating a new stub category for them. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 19:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

If there are over 60, it sounds useful to me. Support. Grutness...wha? 05:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Excellent, this one is getting a bit thin to do by country, and this seems a lot more usefully specific than my rather feeble Euro- suggestion. Alai 03:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Speaking a bit out of turn, perhaps, but the only country I can see gaining enough articles for a seperate stub category any time soon is Zimbabwe; if I push matters a bit, I can create enough stubs to fill that one out within a couple of days. I'm hesitent to suggest it because as yet there's neither a Zimbabwe-bio-stub (hey, I'm asleep at the switch - that one was created when I wasn't looking!) nor an African-artist-stub. From what I can tell, there isn't enough information available to fill any other country out for the forseeable future. (signed, putting my art history degree to some use at last) --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 08:00, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Just to clarify, I don't mean just that there's no African country over 60, but there's no further countries at all, that I can find. OTOH, if you can write 6 Haitians, 14 Poles, 22 Spaniards, 25 Belgians, or 28 Dutch... (Bet the Netherlands are miffed to be trailing their neighbours...) Alai 02:02, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

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Another NZ-geo subcat

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The result of the debate was create.
No sooner has Category:Wellington Region geography stubs been created than the Manawatu-Wanganui Region manages to scrape to 60 stubs. Therefoire, I propose that the {{ManawatuWanganui-geo-stub}} template be assigned its very own Category:Manawatu-Wanganui geography stubs. And before you ask, no the permcat doesn't have "Region" on the end - the only reason Wellington does is to differentiate it from the city. Grutness...wha? 11:50, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

PS - three other regions (Marlborough, Bay of Plenty, and Northland) have between 40 and 50 geo-stubs, so it may not be too long before they also reach a reasonable splitting level, especially since I'm still hunting through the NZ geo permcats. Grutness...wha? 11:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

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New Films By Country stub needed in (2.2.5.3 By Country): {{South-Africa-film-stub}} (South African Films)

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The result of the debate was create Africa-film-stub.
Several feature films from South Africa needs a home. Faith Like Potatoes, Tsotsi, etc. Lohanj 08:28, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

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Category:Tanzanian politician stubs

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The result of the debate was create.
Feel free to criticize me, but I was a little bold today. The Tanzanian politicians were a mess, and during cleanup I suddenly realized that 80+ articles were using this template. Since it was simply upmerged due to size, I've taken the liberty of creating a proper category right away. The -bio category has 53 articles left in it and the material looks like it is growing. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 01:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Category:European rapid transit stubs

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The result of the debate was create.
Given the discussion at SFD, I think perhaps it might be a good idea to create this as a container, with upmerged -metro-stub templates on a per-country basis. I'd also not be against the idea of finer categories corresponding to UN sub-regions, if those manage to pass threshold, where the countries don't. Alai 21:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I doubt that there's much call for that fine sorting; not all countries, even in Europe, have even built a rapid transit system. —CComMack (t–c) 12:52, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

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Dutch actor stubs

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Obviously this is well-scoped, but if that's the whole list, it's potentially a little small. (I can only find a similar number looking through the permcats.) What about a double-upmerged template for the time being? Alai 15:32, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Do you mean to make a template that includes the templates for the two other stub categories mentioned above? - Ilse@ 16:17, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
16 more articles that would fit in the proposed stub category: Doris Baaten, Hein Boele, Pierre Bokma, Bill Van Dijk, Cees Geel, Fedja van Huêt, Hellen Huisman, Alfred Lagarde, Lesley van der Lek, Stef van der Linden, Fred Meijer (actor), Hero Muller, Peter Piekos, Sjef Poort, Piet Römer - Ilse@ 16:54, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
In effect, though it's slightly more elegant to have a single stub template, in the usual style, that includes both categories. But I suppose that's now close enough, numbers-wise. Alai 17:18, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Support. Wish I'd seen this earlier as I have just gone through the Dutch people stubs sorting out the sport articles and could have waited anddone both at the same time, never mind. Although I don't have a proper count there seemedto be plenty of actors/actresses for a stub stype (est 70-90). Waacstats 15:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

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New Mexico Broadcasting stubs

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The result of the debate was do not create.
The New Category for all the Television Networks in New Mexico at over 20 to 50. Currently There's No New Mexico Stations to attached the Network & Independent Stations for the reason, I'm proposing {{CBS New Mexico}}, {{NBC New Mexico}}, {{ABC New Mexico}}, {{PBS New Mexico}}, {{FOX New Mexico}}, {{CW New Mexico}}, {{MyNetworkTV New Mexico}}, {{Univision New Mexico}}, {{Telefutura New Mexico}}, {{Telemundo New Mexico}} and {{Other TV Stations in New Mexico}}.--BenH 08:00, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

If there's 20-50 in the category, that's not even really enough for one stub template, let alone 11! But these don't look like stub templates at all - are you sure that's what you really want, or do you just want navigation templates? Grutness...wha? 13:15, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
If you're proposing stub articles (CBS New Mexico, NBC New Mexico, ABC New Mexico, PBS New Mexico, FOX New Mexico, CW New Mexico, MyNetworkTV New Mexico, Univision New Mexico, Telefutura New Mexico, Telemundo New Mexico...), just go ahead and create them. OTOH, there are several local network affiliates articles already -- KASY-TV, KENW, etc -- so perhaps you just need redirects, or a "list of television stations by network" page? Alai 15:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

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Major breakdown on Military personnel stubs

This category is definitely undersorted, however, it is near 800. Currently, no continents have their individual stubs and for this reason, I am proposing {{Africa-mil-bio-stub}}, {{Euro-mil-bio-stub}}, {{Asia-mil-bio-stub}}, {{NorthAm-mil-bio-stub}}, {{SouthAm-mil-bio-stub}} and their corresponding categories.--Thomas.macmillan 03:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Unsorted, and uncategorised too; only 322 are in a "by nationality" category. (One of these days I'm going to create and populate a "people without a nationality category" maint-cat, and it'll be a doozy...) So pending that, your plan seems a good one. Alai 03:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Don't forget {{Oceania-mil-bio-stub}}, even if only as an upmerged template! :) Grutness...wha? 05:02, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
    • And NorhtAm-mil-bio-stub might not be a great idea, since the US and Canada each already have their own mil-bio-stubs.--Carabinieri 08:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
    • I think, if we include the Caribbean and Central America in it, it can be useful. Perhaps we can just upmerge it at first.--Thomas.macmillan 16:53, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
      • This is kind of related to this subject. I recently just went through and created pages for most of the Army and Air Force Korean War Medal of Honor recipients (Navy and Marines had already been done), and I've noticed that under "United States military personnel stubs" there is a "United States Air Force personnel stubs", "United States Coast Guard personnel stubs" and "United States Navy personnel stubs". The Army folks are all categorized under the parent stub, and I think it might be better 'categorization' to to break them out under their own stub, "Category:United States Army personnel stubs".wbfergus 13:43, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

{{Sikh-bio-stub}}, Category:Sikh people stubs

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The result of the debate was create.
Most other major religions have stubcats for their religious figures and also the Sikhbiocat has at least 80-90 automatic stubs (from Category:Sikhism stubs that can be filled.Bakaman 01:53, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Replies - I counted about 70 bio stubs, the other 80 or are general stubs. I think the cats should be separate if only because Category:Sikh politicians, Category:Sikh warriors, etc. are more fit to be categorized under Sikh religious figures and the bio stubs cat is about as big (if not bigger) than the Sikhism scripture, theology, practice, etc.Bakaman 02:54, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
That's just the thing: if there's 80-90 bio-stubs, that leaves 50-60 in the parent; it may not be undersized as such, but it seems a bit premature to be creating a two-way split of a category that's not even in danger of reaching a page yet. (Having said that, I'm not opposed as such, if the Sikh editors would prefer that organisation.) Alai 03:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Update - I changes cat title to "Sikh people stubs", for consistencyBakaman 23:47, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Support and comment This would create a major category for stub items that can be brought to attention of specialist in this subject. Many editors engaged in Sikhism only deal with bio-type articles - so yes, I support this proposal. However, don't ask me, someone will have to allocate this to the stubbed items as I am not very active on Wikipedia at present.--Hari Singh 21:32, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Hari singh was the only active Sikh (I'm a Hindu myself) member of WP:SIKH I could ask to comment. Like he said and my experience shows, a large number of articles would be able to be organized this way. Since Alai has said he isnt opposed to the creation either, I think I will create and organize the stubcat/template and also work on filling the parent cat as well.Bakaman 14:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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various novel stubs

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The result of the debate was create upmerged templates.

{{1900s-novel-stub}}, Category:1900s novel stubs

{{1910s-novel-stub}}, Category:1910s novel stubs

{{1920s-novel-stub}}, Category:1920s novel stubs

Having just gone through the Category:Novel stubs to sort them into the categories Category:1930s novel stubs, Category:1940s novel stubs, Category:1950s novel stubs, Category:1960s novel stubs, Category:1970s novel stubs, Category:1980s novel stubs, Category:1990s novel stubs, Category:2000s novel stubs, I came across numerous earlier in the century that could do with sorting. There is a Category:19th century novel stubs which caters for the earlier articles. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 14:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Aren't some of these going to be a tad small? Support templates for all, certainly, but categories only if there's 60, otherwise upmerge. Alai 03:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

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{{Insectivora-stub}}, Category:Insectivore stubs

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The result of the debate was create both as insectivora.
I counted 60 articles in the Mammal stubs category related to moles, shrews and hedgehogs, all of which belong to the order Insectivora. Eli Falk 13:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Isn't Insectivora and Insectivore two different things? Monni 13:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Insectivore is a word with two meanings:
  1. An animal which eats insects
  2. An animal from order insectivora.
Eli Falk 18:02, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Doesn't that make the category name ambiguos? Monni 18:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

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{{terrorist-stub}} → Category:Terrorist stubs, {{terrorism-stub}} / {{terrorism-org-stub}} → Category:Terrorism stubs

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The result of the debate was create as paramilitary as per Swpb.
See my subpage User:Swpb/Proposed terrorism stubs for a list of pages to be included. I have identified 74 articles for {{terrorist-stub}}, 103 for {{terrorism-stub}}, and 36 for {{terrorism-org-stub}}. I propose feeding the latter two to the same category until {{terrorism-org-stub}} passes the 60 mark, although assocition with Wikipedia:WikiProject Terrorism and counter-terrorism may make the threshold 30 - I'm not a member of that project, and I'm not clear on how the wikiproject association rule works. Not sure the best way to go about this, suggestions would be much appreciated. I am honestly surprised these stubs don't already exist. Totally reorganizing categories and tags per Grutness, see discussion below. —Swpb talk contribs 06:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Comment: The thing about this is that it'd be extremely controversial. Category:Terrorists has been nominated for deletion many many times. It opens us up to a lot of subjective arguing. Incidentally, it has a mention in Words to Avoid. Just a massive can of worms, that's all. Crystallina 01:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Thus, the tags would be worded as neutrally as possible, for example, the terrorist-org tag would read something like "This article about a group or organization which has been associated with terrorism" rather than "This article about a terrorist organization", and terrorist-stub would read "This article about an individual accused or suspected of terrorism or membership in a terrorist organization" rather than "This article about a terrorist". Terrorism-stub would simply read "This terrorism-related article..." (without the italics). I realize there is some potential subjectivity to this, but I think the overwhelming need for these stubs, evident by the sheer number of categories across which these articles are spread, overcomes this concern. While not everyone agrees on a strict definition of terrorism, I think in general associating the word with "acts of violence against groups of non-military personnel" is pretty fair. Nearly all of the articles I have included already use the word terrorism or terrorist, or refer to activities of groups almost universally agreed to engage in terrorism, such as Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, and the IRA. —Swpb talk contribs 03:07, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
    • OpposeThis stub is just way too subjective for me. If we don't support disputed place stubs, then this is definitely not satisfactory.--Thomas.macmillan 03:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
    • I'm inclined to oppose as well for the same reasons. One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter - we're way into POV territory when we start using terms like this. Grutness...wha? 04:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
  • There must be some fairly NPOV way to tag stubs related to extra-military violence. Even if the word terrorism must be avoided, I think this is a needed addition. Can anyone propose more neutral terminology? —Swpb talk contribs 04:49, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
    • how about paramilitary-org-stub and paramilitary-bio-stub for paramilitary organisations and individuals? Not exactly the same scope, but close enough to cover a lot of the same ground. Grutness...wha? 05:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
      • I like it. I would also like to cover articles about terrorism in general, the study thereof, and the responses to it. I believe there may be enough articles to form such a category. If there are, what name would you suggest? There are also certainly enough articles to fill a category on specific terrorist attacks. Paramilitary-attack-stub perhaps? —Swpb talk contribs 06:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
    • The word "terrorist" is indeed problematic, but a scope about paramilitary activity sounds workable. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 08:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
  • OK, so far I have collected 92 for paramilitary-action-stub, 149 for paramilitary-bio-stub, and 61 for paramilitary-org-stub. —Swpb talk contribs 21:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

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{{sport-event-stub}} / Category:Sports event stubs

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The result of the debate was create.
Would take care of all the sporting competitions, multi-sport events, etc. that are currently in the top sport stubs category. This will meet threshold - there are roughly 200 articles a page and these take up about half the front page (X year in Y event article formats). Also, if anyone knows of a better name, go ahead and mention it. Crystallina 00:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

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{{US-rail-bridge-struct-stub}}

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The result of the debate was create.
Looking through the US-bridge-struct-stub category I think there are at least 40 or so articles tagged with US-bridge-struct-stub and US-rail-stub so I propose creating this merged into the two parent cats at first and then creating an appropriate category once it reaches threshold.--Carabinieri 12:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Category:Wellington Region geography stubs

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The result of the debate was create.
64 NZ-geo-stubs are now marked with the wellington-geo-stub template, and there's still some undersorting - time this got a separate category, methinks. Grutness...wha? 01:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

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Category:Film festival stubs

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The result of the debate was create.
While searching for articles to populate Category:Festivals in California, I found several short film festival articles that had no stubs at all, or that had {{festival-stub}}, but film stub. I looked for a film festival stub, but didn't find one. I did find film festivals in the following categories:

That's 86 articles without looking for more unstubbed articles, or film award articles that might be hidden in some of the other film stub categories. BlankVerse 11:08, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

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{{Netherlands-sport-bio-stub}} / Category:Dutch sportspeople stubs

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The result of the debate was create.
Have counted well over 60 of these. Will also be a parent for Category:Dutch football biography stubs and Category:Dutch swimming biography stubs. Waacstats 20:45, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Support Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 11:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

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{{NewYork-road-stub}} / Category:New York road stubs

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The result of the debate was create.
Currently, the only road stub for New York is {{NewYork-State-Highway-stub}}. This is fine for state routes, but it creates an odd situation when a non-state road in New York (such as a county route) needs to be tagged as a stub, hence my proposal for a generic road stub for New York, as well as a cat for such. ~25 articles currently in Category:New York State Highway stubs (county routes and articles about non-state route roads) would be better suited for a generic template/category, and most of the articles in Category:County routes in Dutchess County, New York are untagged stubs that would also fall into the scope of the generic road stub but not the state highway stub. For the most part, every article that would be tagged with this stub is associated with the New York county routes WikiProject. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 02:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Support, thought it should have been done that way all along. Alai 03:39, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Support, but with this reservation: How many roads in New York are notable enough for articles? Darcyj 12:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
  • How many of them are notable enough for articles is the business of AfD (if it comes to it, and obviously the writers in the first place); our business is just managing the roads that already have (stub) articles. Alai 23:07, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Just out of interest, Alai, is there any reason why you're keen on this split but far less so on the London one? Personally I can't see any difference between the two (support, BTW). see below Grutness...wha? 18:37, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
      • Personally, I really can't see the similarity. These are already tagged as roads, are quite clearly in the "primarily notable as transport infrastructure" food group (rather than being essentially 'local' articles), and are currently in an inappropriately named, over-specific, and questionably-capitalised stub cat (that the roadfans seem to be inordinately fond of). The London ones, well, aren't. Alai 21:59, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
    • The London ones should also be stubbed as roads - that they aren't is neither here nor there. They are also currently in an inappropriate stub cat - a geo-stub cat, unlike every other road article I know of. Many of them are also transport infrastructure, and - if the NY cat is made, I would expect to find New York City streets listed in it as well in exactly the same way (there are quite a large number of them currently residing in the US-road-stub category). There is no difference at all between these two proposals, and if one is made, it forms a further precedent for the other. Grutness...wha? 22:22, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
      • That they aren't, on the contrary, argues that many of them are only marginally anything to do with transport (as is also clearly the case by inspection); to argue that they're "inappropriately" tagged as geo-stubs seems to be putting this backwards. This category is being cleary and explicitly proposed on the "transport" basis, and your gloss on what it "should" contain is rather unhelpful. Once again, asking NYC editors which scope and sorting scheme they'd find more helpful would seem to be prudent, rather than ignoring both notability and utility in favour of an arrangement based on semantics. Alai 22:54, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
        • So the New York City streets marked with US-road-stub should go where, exactly? Are they or are they not covered by NewYork-road-stub? If they're not, then I oppose this proposal, because it clearly doesn't cover what it says it does, and needs considerable tinkering to make sure it's for "New York roads except thpse which are primarily known for other things than transportation stubs". If they're not, then why are they marked with US-road-stub? And if they're not, why not? These are roads within the United States - in fact, within New York State, and as such, there is no logic whatsoever in marking them with anything other than the stub which is for exactly the topic which they are part of. To say that a road suddenly stops being a road because it has buildings on it is ridiculous. Both the London and New York proposals cover exactly the same sort of thing - thoroughfares within the boundaries of a specific subnational region. Arguing that one is worth creating and the other isn't makes no sense whatsoever. And arguing that for some reason the London ones should not be marked with a road stub because of objections to the split of geo-stubs by type ignores the fact that we have had road-stub and its subcategories for a very long time. You might just as well argue that we shouldn't have rail-stub or any of its subdivisions. Grutness...wha? 00:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
          • Since it appears my initial proposal has been skewed out of proportion here, let me reiterate my point: my intentions were to create this stub and the associated cat so that articles for roads not maintained by the state such as county roads or city streets would have a proper stub type. Additionally, I am not requesting that the existing NY highway stub be abolished - rather, it should become a "sub-stub" of the proposed road stub. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 00:13, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
        • No - no-one was expecting you to mean that. The problem was whether you also intended to include NYC streets and roads. I thought you were (correctly, it seems), whereas it looks like Alai didn't think they'd be included. I can support this scope for the category far more easily than if the NYC thoroughfares were not included. Grutness...wha? 00:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
          • Yeah, when I made this proposal, I fully intended on including NYC streets and roads, as a couple have seeped into the NY highway stub cat and, after reading this discussion, it appears that the US road stub cat has a handful as well. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 03:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
        • More than a handful - there are about a dozen in the first column of Category:United States road stubs - 1.e., about 20% of that column. Grutness...wha? 22:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
          • "Skewed out of proportion" seems about right to me; I think it would have been highly preferable to 'keep what happens in London-road-stub proposal, in the London-road-stub proposal'. No, obviously I'm not suggesting that there's any problem at all in sorting what there's common consent to tag as a -road-stub, that happens to be in New York, as a New York road stub. As I've already said, the "street" vs "road" distinction is moot, if the article really a "road transport" one. I'm saying it's far from obviously useful to take what's for all intents and purposes a "local human geography" article that happens to have "Street" in the title, and insist that it be tagged as roads, absent of any prior inclination for anyone to do so. Alai 03:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
        • Virtually identical situations i.e., urban roads, ended up being commented on in exact opposite ways, and that certainly needed mentioning somewhere - and it had to be either here or in the London proposal. If I'd commented on it in the London section, you could have just as easily made comments saying 'keep what happens in NewYork-road-stub proposal, in the NewYork-road-stub proposal'. It's clear from the US-road-stub category that local urban streets are being marked as roads. It's also clear from almost every geo-stub category that they shouldn't be marked as geo-stubs. So, where to put them? Obviously in a road-stub category directly related to the area in which they exist, be it New York, London, or wherever. If streets and roads are regarded as a local human geography topic, then that's fine. They'll be marked within a regional-road-stub type where anyone working on such matters can find them readily. If there were complainst about these actually being geo-stubs, there would never have been a split of all the dozens of different road-stub categories there currently are. You can't have it both ways - it can't be a road stub when it's a road that has gaps between the buildings and runs across the country and not a road-stub when it runs through a city and has buildings on most of its length. Grutness...wha? 05:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

If no one objects, I'll create the stub/cat sometime later today. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 20:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, in theory you should wait the (now) 5 days before creating, which would be Dec 6th. ~ Amalas rawr =^_^= 20:31, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Will do. Wasn't sure if there was a waiting period or not. That's no problem. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 20:34, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Yup. It's right here. ~ Amalas rawr =^_^= 20:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Since it appears that there is a good deal of support for this stub and the proposal is now well-beyond the five day period, I'll go ahead and create it. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 21:14, 8 December 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Further Olympics subcats

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These have grown a huge amount, but fortunately they're well-categorised, so splitting should be easy enough. IIRC the '72 one is already proposed and approved. Alai 03:46, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Make it so. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 10:58, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

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Category:Russian sports venue stubs

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Only 51, I'm afraid, but the euro-sports-venues are oversized again, and this seems to be the largest split available. Alai 03:19, 4 December 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

Category:Haitian painter stubs

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Must have been Haiti month in November: this seems to be the largest candidate split available, at 54. (Much uncategorisation by nationality, however: only about half.) We could go for a Category:European painter stubs, over threshold from just the Poles and Spaniards, but I don't know how useful that'd be in the long run. Alai 03:16, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

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Category:United States fiction writer stubs

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There's 63 articles double-stubbed with Category:American novelist stubs and Category:American short story writer stubs, which suggests to me we're rapidly going the way of the actors with these. I suggest a similar solution (i.e. the Category:American screen actor stubs). We'll probably have to split the fiction-writers by genre pretty soon anyway though (cue noises of db grinding in background). Alai 01:59, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Support, I guess - it's going to be a massive category. I originally saw the novelist/short story stubs as intended for people who exclusively or primarily wrote for one or the other, but it could go both ways. Crystallina 14:27, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
    • I'm fully in favour of keeping those, too, on exactly the basis you suggest, just as long as the double-stubbing doesn't get outta hand. Alai 18:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

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Category:Chinese royalty stubs

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Thought I'd proposed this already, but I can't find a link to it. Anyhow, there's now 65 double-stubbed with the two parents, one of which is significantly oversized. Alai 01:34, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Support per nom. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 11:05, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

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Category:Haitian writer stubs

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Didn't see this one coming, but there's 63 double-stubbed this way, one parent is oversized. Alai 01:34, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

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Category:English politician stubs

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Further to the musicians, and the need to whack this down below 800; there's something like 129 of these, at least 80 of them double-stubbed in some manner. Alai 03:47, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment Not sure how much I like this one. It seems like we've begun splitting both by party, by constituent nation and by chronology, so the British -politician tree is getting somewhat complicated. On the other hand, we've already split off the Scots. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 11:13, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure I like it much myself; however, {{England-bio-stub}} is an oversized type, so pretty much necessarily we either have to split it on such bases as present themselves, or get rid of it and split the Brits on different axes. Alai 04:02, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Support as per original propose. Monni 14:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC) Template:Sfd bottom

New athletics bios

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As with previous splits i would like to propose

These should help cut down the European category. Also although neither Category:African athletics biography stubs nor Category:Central America and Caribbean athletics biography stubs is not in need of pruning

is possible and for future splits

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Record labels by... continent?

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The record labels are over 800 again, and while my db dump is now over a month old, there's still nothing remotely like a country reaching 60 (but there's also huge uncatting by country). For the time being, I suggest a Category:European record label stubs, which would be viable if we throw in the Germans, Swedes, and French (separately templated, of course). Alai 17:16, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

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{{Canada-comedian-stub}} / Category:Canadian comedian stubs

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Canada bio stubs have reached 7 pages since the last dump; a rudimentary search provided me with plenty of candidates, and probably more unsorted. Crystallina 14:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

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{{Liberal-UK-MP-stub}}

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The result of the debate was create template, upmerge cat.
We already have stub categories for United Kingdom Members of Parliament (MPs) from the other two major parties ({{Labour-UK-MP-stub}} and {{Conservative-UK-MP-stub}}). At the time those stub categories were created earlier this year, there were not many articles on Liberal MPs. That's partly because editors have concentrated on creating articles on more recent MPs (and obviously there have been no Liberal MPs since 1948).

However, as coverage of 19th century MPs grows, there are an increasing number of articles on Liberals: until the 1920s, they were one of the two dominant political parties. Category:Liberal MPs (UK) now has over 300 articles, some of which had existed previously but not been correctly categorised. I haven't counted how many of them are stubs (does someone have a tool to do that?), but I think that about half of the current crop are stubs, and I know that more will be created. (Note those counting: it's not enough simply to chck the intersection between Category:Liberal MPs (UK) and {{UK-MP-stub}}; some of th existing stubs may be tagged as {{Scotland-MP-stub}} or {{UK-politician-stub}}, and I have found plenty that have a much more generalised stub tag) --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

For information The discussion which led to the creation of {{Labour-UK-MP-stub}} and {{Conservative-UK-MP-stub}} is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive/August 2006 completed#Split_of_.7B.7BUK-MP-stub.7D.7D_.2F_Cat:British_MP_stubs. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:14, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Support template. Create category as soon as we have 60 relevant articles. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 18:22, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

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{{Sudan-ethno-group-stub}} / Category:Sudanese ethnicity stubs / {{Kenya-ethno-group-stub}} / {{Ethiopia-ethno-group-stub}}

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With the success of the Tanzania stub (there are well over 100 in the category created yesterday), I am proposing another major stub to break down the behemoth that is the Africa-ethno-group-stub. I haven't done a count, but Sudan has 173 articles in their "Ethnic groups in Sudan" category. Just guessing, but I bet their is at least 100 stubs to be found for this one. I am also proposing templates and upmerging for the Kenya (59 articles in category) and Ethiopia (49).--Thomas.macmillan 14:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Support per nom. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 17:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

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{{DeStijlMovement}}

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In the Category:Art_movements_stubs there is no De Stijl/Neo-modernism art stub; perhaps an addition would be helpful? It seems hard to describe articles like Red_and_Blue_Chair as any other type of art. AC 14:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure I fully understand (actually, I suspect you don't understand). That category contains individual articles about specific movements. The article on De Stijl is well beyond stub level. Individual works of art are sorted according to what they are, rather than the movement involved in their style. In this case, the item in question is a piece of furniture and as such should be stubbed with furniture-stub as well as art-stub. Hopefully it's in the permanent Category:De Stijl category though. Grutness...wha? 23:16, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

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Category:South West England school stubs

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Per previous English-regional splits; parent is oversized again. 57 articles on the basis of what's now a verrrrrry olllllld db dump, may well have grown in the meantime. Alai 22:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Actually, I was forgetting about Wiltshire, which is officially in the SW, so it's over 60. I've speedied this, since the precedent of English regions seems pretty clear. Alai 01:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

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{{Zimbabwe-bio-stub}} and corresponding category

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With a hand count, I found 88 potential stubs and it has one sub category.--Thomas.macmillan 20:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to support this, if I may. I've been trying to write up articles for a bunch of Zimbabwean sculptors, and I know there are more than 60 of those alone. I'm not quite ready to request a stub for Zimbabwean artists, but that might not be so far off... --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 06:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Support. The category should be named Category:Zimbabwean people stubs to match the corresponding material (perm cat and related stub categories). Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 17:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Btw, now that we're at it anyway, an upmerged -politician template might be an idea. Do we have an updated count for them? Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 11:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I didn't do a handcount, but there are 47 articles in the Zimbabwean politican category.--Thomas.macmillan 14:08, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

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Category:Fann Wong film stubs

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I would like to propose the above stub, and I propose that {{Fann Wong film-stub}} feeds into Category:Fann Wong films. Voda voda 19:21, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

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{{Zambia-bio-stub}} / Category:Zambian people stubs

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The result of the debate was create bio, do not create politician.
I got a little inspired by the proposal for Zimbabwe and I counted 59 stubs here. Suggest both template and category. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 17:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I haven't done a count, but perhaps an upmerged -politician template might be an idea since we're going through this material anyway. Does anybody have an updated count for them? Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 11:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I haven't done a hand count, but there are only 27 articles in the Zambia politician category.--Thomas.macmillan 14:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Ok, it was worth a shot :) Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 14:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

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Category:Television network stubs

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7 Television Networks will be reinstated and I can Propose

All of them hitting 1,000? Not until pigs begin to fly. Oppose all Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 17:29, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Strong oppose I could possibly see using network affiliation as a way of subdividing Category:United States television program stubs or Category:United States television biography stubs but categorizing commercial TV stations by stubs, which based on past practice of stub assignment would be the main use of a plain network stub, is not a good stub assignment. Caerwine Caer’s whines 20:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Comment Found an existing {{MNTV-stub}} / Category:MyNetworkTV stubs pair that got overlooked back in October containing all of 5 station stubs. Have sent that pair directly to SFD without collecting dust at Discoveries first. Caerwine Caer’s whines 20:49, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

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{{Computer-Video-Game-Character-Stub}} / Cat:Computer Video Game Stubs

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This would be a great place for all the character articles clogging up the Computer-Video-Game-Stubs category. If you have a better name or anything you wish to revise, feel free. It seems redundant to list the articles that would fall under this stub, but I will if it is required. Serph, Hitoshura, and Argilla are a few quick examples.N9philim 01:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

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