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Carthage 238 AD

Are you going to revert Materialscientist's edit on Battle of Carthage (238) for not adhering to "Manual of style"? --2001:8003:4085:8100:EDB3:F65:19B1:DC11 (talk) 08:37, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think so. He's told me what should be done. -- Java Hurricane 08:39, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reverting edits of a page about a specific product (car model) that the editor owns and uses every day.

Maerean (talk) 08:57, 7 March 2020 (UTC) "Hello, I'm JavaHurricane. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Volkswagen Passat (B8), but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it..."[reply]

You have reverted a big edit I have made to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Passat_(B8)#Passat_GTE

Just because some wikipedia content doesn't cite a source that doesn't make the content incorrect or added in bad faith.
You are allowed to revert changes only if you believe the content to be utterly incorrect or added in bad faith.
A missing source for the information is not basis enough to remove the content.
The truth value of the content being correct or incorrect is not related to a source being provided even if increases the faith in the content.
I will find sources to cite.

Not all information is present and linkable on the web.
There is little information on the internet about this specific car model. That's why I'm adding the information on its wikipedia page.

This is a car that I have owned for some time now.
As an owner of the product, my own experience is the source of the information.
Also, the content is a compilation of watching a lot of reviews (video content) on the internet on the specific category of products/cars.
I have presented the information in good faith in a neutral tone and a balanced approach, presenting both advantages and disadvantages.

Not all information provided by car manufacturers (that they advertise on their websites) is verified in real life even if one can easily provide it as a source.
Also, manufacturers only present the advantages of the product and the specific category of products.
Only the owners of the products get to learn the disadvantages once they use the product.

Do owners of specific car models and car types really need to create a website of their own and post their experience there just to have a citation url in the wiki page so you don't delete the content from Wikipedia so nobody can access it?
Please answer the above question about the process of editing wikipedia pages of specific car models. This is more relevant to rare models that haven't been sold in large numbers.

If you feel more citation is needed, please just add a "citation needed" note, don't delete the content entirely.
We shouldn't go into a loop of me adding content and value to a wikipedia page and you removing it.
That's not right. I ask you to improve the content and value of that specific page and not destroy it.

Please put back the content you have removed and add a "citation needed" note where you feel necessary.

I will search for the video reviews I have mentioned and add them as sources.

PS: I didn't find an actual Message/Reply option in wikipedia. I hope this is the way to have this conversation with you.

I'm sorry, but Wikipedia policies (specifically WP:RS and WP:OR) clearly tell us that we cannot use original research in articles. All information here has to be cited with a reliable source. The information may be correct, but you'll have to provide a reliable source to back up your information; otherwise, the information may be summarily removed. -- Java Hurricane 09:03, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maerean (talk) 10:22, 7 March 2020 (UTC) I have removed all my edits since they are based on my original research which (Wikipedia policies (specifically WP:RS and WP:OR) clearly tell us) cannot be used and is not a reliable source to be cited.[reply]
The section is back to its original state. Empty. And useless.
Anyone interested can read my original research on the Volkswagen Passat GTE B8 outside Wikipedia.

Thank you! I do hope that you can get reliable sources so that you can put back the information on the page! -- Java Hurricane 10:26, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

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	Thanks for welcoming me to Wikipedia! I have long been interested because it so closely aligns with both my values and interests, but I've been intimidated by its size. Glad to know there is a community that is looking out for new members. KnowledgeTempest (talk) 06:54, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome dear! -- Java Hurricane 07:05, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Question about rejection of page draft: The Elephant in the Brain

Hi!

Thanks for taking the time to review the draft of the page for 'The Elephant in the Brain'. I wanted to ask you why the draft was rejected. The notice said the the subject does not qualify for a Wikipedia page as it is not notable enough. The [guidlines] suggest that if a book is the subject of two or more non-trivial, independent published works, then it meets the notability requirements. In the 'Reception' section of the article, I have cited significant reviews in the Wall Street Journal, The New Yorker and the New York Intelligencer, all of which are regarded as 'generally reliable' according to [these guidlines]. The significant coverage in three major, reliable sources, I believe satisfies the notability requirement. On top of this, I have cited reviews in Publishers Weekly and Quillette, as well as a minor review in National Review. While these last three reviews hold less weight than the first three I do not see why they would reduce the notability. Please could you explain your reasons for rejecting the article? Thanks, Alfredsph (talk) 11:18, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alfredsph, hi! The main reason I rejected the draft is because it does not yet have a summary or lead long enough. I think that if you could expand the article further and cite sources about it, the article will pass. Thanks, and happy editing! Java Hurricane 11:33, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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15 March 2020

Hi, I was updating my own page. If this is not possible that is fine. I am only expanding upon what is written there and also adding my new coauthored book. I am not sure how to verify the new book but it has an ISBN number. Is there a way to do this please. thanks Rosanna Hertz — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.149.1.19 (talk) 16:35, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@73.149.1.19:, hi there! I am sorry, but Wikipedia's conflict of interest policy states that users must not edit articles about themselves except in the case of vandalism. If you wish to update your article, I recommend you to leave a message on the article's talk page detailing the requested edit. One of the contributors here will then make the changes you have requested.

On that note, I would like to invite you to create a Wikipedia account! You can create an account for free, and it makes it easier for us contributors to recognise you! Further, you can edit a wide range of articles as per your wishes. -- Java Hurricane 16:54, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Articles for Creation

Welcome to reviewing drafts in AFC. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:01, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think you and I edit-conflicted when both declining the same drafts. That is not a problem. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:01, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Robert McClenon, I didn't encounter any problems, but thanks anyways! Java Hurricane 15:05, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User:KM0019/sandbox

The page is neither promotional nor a misuse of Wikipedia as a webhost. Each paragraph on the page was clearly marked as copied from Lynn Conway and KM was clearly working on the text to improve it without fear of screwing up the live page. KM is a student trying to get to grips with the wiki - Special:Permalink/937154425. Please don't WP:BITE. Cabayi (talk) 20:27, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cabayi, thanks! Java Hurricane 01:21, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:DIY hand sanitizer

I think the guidance you're looking for is WP:NOTHOWTO which is an argument for WP:MFD not a freestyle CSD. NOTWEBHOST is WP:U5, the U indicating it applies to userspace only. Hope that helps, Cabayi (talk) 20:38, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cabayi, thanks! Java Hurricane 01:20, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pending changes reviewer granted

Hello. Your account has been granted the "pending changes reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on pages protected by pending changes. The list of articles awaiting review is located at Special:PendingChanges, while the list of articles that have pending changes protection turned on is located at Special:StablePages.

Being granted reviewer rights neither grants you status nor changes how you can edit articles. If you do not want this user right, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time.

See also:

Wikipedia:Reviewing pending changes, the guideline on reviewing
Wikipedia:Pending changes, the summary of the use of pending changes
Wikipedia:Protection policy#Pending changes protection, the policy determining which pages can be given pending changes protection by administrators.

Chetsford (talk) 15:27, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Chetsford, thanks! Java Hurricane 15:33, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why did my update revert back to original text?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_and_Dental_Defence_Union_of_Scotland

Hi there, I received two messages from you but I'm unclear what entries don't meet the guidelines? If I knew, I would remove them and continue without. Can you advise please? Thanks

Hello. Your edits were inherently promotional and violated copyrights. Please don't make such edits again. Thank you! -- Java Hurricane 12:41, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sock tagging

Do not tag userpages with sock templates as you did at User:Kart2409. It is wholly inappropriate.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:41, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

JH, how did you conclude Kart2409 [1] as my sock? KartikeyaS (talk) 14:29, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
KartikeyaS343, massive error on my part. Sorry about that! Java Hurricane 14:43, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, cheers! KartikeyaS (talk) 14:44, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

your editing Wiki page

Hello! I saw you undid my work. What did I do wrong? DC — Preceding unsigned comment added by David T Cohen (talk • contribs) 15:55, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

David T Cohen, you are adding unsourced or unreliably sourced material to biographies of living persons, violating them Wikipedia policies about such articles. Hence I reverted your edits. Java Hurricane 16:07, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I understand. But before my edits I spoke to the Person who confirmed all facts and provided me with the evidence. Be reassured: I would never allow myself to improper acts. In reality facts were all proven already. I just, with the Person agreement, put them in different context and updated recent developments. You can talk to him no problem. Very friendly. Do you want his email? David — Preceding unsigned comment added by David T Cohen (talk • contribs) 16:49, 28 March 2020 (UTC) Is my signature showing? The other day I had problems with it. David[reply]

I am sorry, but you are not following the BLP policy. I understand that you are acting in good faith, but you are not providing reliable sources for your edits. Hence I am forced to revert your edits to comply with the policy. Please don't think that your edits are unacceptable altogether; we welcome contributions from all users, but all contributions must be sourced properly. I therefore request you to source your edits with reliable sources, so as to ensure compliance with the BLP policy. Thank you, and happy editing! -- Java Hurricane 16:54, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I understand and I absolutely appreciate that editing is a serious matter. Please note, though, that my edits did not change the veracity nor the substance of the original version. I just made minor changes in the chronology and updated certain events. For example: The Saxony Hotel does not exist in Miami Beach any longer and is now branded Faena Hotel. I believe that is an accurate and useful information for all. The substance of the facts was left intact. Hence I would not know how to verify it more than what my predecessors did before me (and in any event I did again). The only new information I added concerns Cipriani-Milan which I sourced at https://www.newsgateny.com/cipriani-acquires-a-new-venue-in-milan-italy-3-2/ and/or https://milano.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/01/06/news/cipriani_ristoranti_milano_palazzo_bernasconi-245072068/ and which was confirmed by Mr. Fabrizio Cerina, his email: redacted. I would be very grateful if you could help me out as I believe I did my homework quite well... David — Preceding unsigned comment added by David T Cohen (talk • contribs) 17:47, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Have you read the BLP policy? We try to avoid using information from the subject himself if no sources are available to support said information. In this case, I see that you have obtained sources, so I think the information can stand. However, in many cases, using information given by the subject in the BLP without any supporting sources is considered to be original research, and often the information can be biased, violating the neutral point of view policy. Please read these policies and keep them in mind. Thanks! Java Hurricane 02:42, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Thanks for your explain! I also saw a COI. I would like to reassure all that I believe I absolutely have zero COI. Having said that, I would like to disclose that while I do not know personally the subject nor I've ever spoken to him, I did ask him (indirectly) to confirm a piece of information I obtained from various independent newspapers (links below). Last week I wrote to the public (info) email address of the bank the subject chairs. Yesterday I received a reply from his personal email address (maybe as it was no business day). They know that my news platform has been writing in the past about them. Only after such confirmation I thought it was a good idea to edit the wikipedia page. And I learned a lot :-) !! https://milano.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/01/06/news/cipriani_ristoranti_milano_palazzo_bernasconi-245072068/ and https://forbes.it/2020/01/07/il-gruppo-cipriani-sbarca-a-milano-a-palazzo-bernasconi/ and https://financecommunity.it/cipriani-affitta-merope-palazzo-bernasconi-milano-gli-advisors-finanziari/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by David T Cohen (talk • contribs) 11:29, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion contested: James A. Fuller

Hello JavaHurricane, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of James A. Fuller, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. MrClog (talk) 09:10, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi JavaHurricane, additional comment regarding the G11 advertising tag on User:Abdullahikaragama/sandbox/HISTORY OF DAMBOA; it doesn't look like blatant advertising to me. However, it was a copyright violation of this, so I deleted it as such. As MrClog mentioned above, please consider reviewing the Criteria for Speedy Deletion to help make sure you're using the most applicable reason when tagging pages. Happy editing, and thank you for your help, Spencer^T•C 14:36, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Java Hurricane 14:48, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gridman draft

Character. But if you're confused with it, sure. I'll slice out unneeded parts. Maybe in 12-24 hours or so.Zero stylinx (talk) 09:24, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RJ Griffith draft

Hi Java,

I was under the impression that less is more when trying to get a new public figure approved. RJ has done some impressive things and I thought I provided some good credible sources which included IMDB, Major League Baseball, Fox 32 Chicago, etc. I know RJ isn't a major star, but I've seen similar artists with less content and sources approved.

I can add additional info and sources, but wanted to start by adding the best ones to get him approved and then maybe build on it from there. I'm relatively new to this so not sure if that's the right approach? If you can provide me any more specific suggestions that could help me get this approved that would be very helpful. Thank you and hope you and yours are safe and healthy!

Hi there! Thanks for your wishes! I would advise you to read through WP:RS once to understand what is a reliable source - there is a reason why we don't consider IMDb to be a reliable source. Also, if he has been doing impressive things, add them! Source them as well. If you can get more sources and more information, I'm certain that the article will pass. Happy editing, best of luck, and stay safe! -- Java Hurricane 17:48, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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	Thanks for rejecting my article softly :) Xikuuky (talk) 18:38, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, thanks! I've not rejected the draft, only declined it for now, so that you can improve it! Happy editing! -- Java Hurricane 02:34, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

NOTWEBHOST

Hey! I saw your nom at MfD, I'm not quite sure what you mean by it violating NOTWEBHOST (and U5 as an extension). This is why I proposed a userfication instead... but your nom implies this would be unacceptable as well; so I just want some clarification before continuing.

Thanks! –ToxiBoi! ^(contribs) 10:11, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ToxiBoi, hello! Note that as per the WP:NOTWEBHOST policy, Wikipedia is not a web hosting service for its users. Since it appears that it is an essay expressing your views or some information of yours, it seems pretty clear that the information there is not closely related to Wikipedia's goals, violating NOTWEBHOST. Further, if that draft is userfied, it will qualify for U5. Hence, I suggest that you request G1 speedy deletion of the draft. Java Hurricane 10:20, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of Draft:William O'Neil Indi

Hi, You speed deleted the my under creation article - Draft:William O'Neil India citing it for G11 ; Advertisement or Promotion. The same was a company page and the references were yet to be updated. Kindly help on restoring the content of the page and how to improve for page to be approved.

Rajukumar9 (talk) 10:23, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]