Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 December 23

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December 23

Category:Indigenous American Catholic saints

Propose renaming Category:Indigenous American Catholic saints to Category:Indigenous American saints

Nominator's rationale: This category is being used for more than saints of the Catholic Church. If it will be used for Santa Muerte and other "deities" that are folk saints outside the Church, it should not carry the name "Catholic". Elizium23 (talk) 20:12, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support In order to include saints from folk religion. Dimadick (talk) 20:27, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support For reasons above (I am the creator of the category) DiegoAma (talk) 23:19, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Alt rename to Category:Indigenous saints of the Americas per WP:C2C (see first parent category), the articles are not about indigenous saints from the United States. In addition, the second parent category should be changed because it is neither by nationality nor (after renaming) Catholic, so perhaps the second parent should become Category:Saints. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:51, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Commercial reading programs

Propose renaming Category:Commercial reading programs to Category:Learning to read courses

Nominator's rationale: Aside from the immediate WP:ENGVAR issue of program vs programme, there's a deeper one in that "program" isn't really used in the sense of an education course in British English - and it's somewhat ambiguous with the software sense (per Category:Language learning software . It wasn't immediately obvious to me what this category was about. The creator did not categorise it and appears to have been unaware of Category:Learning to read, I suggest we tie it in more clearly to that parent category. Le Deluge (talk) 10:39, 23 December 2019 (UTC) Le Deluge (talk) 10:39, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

→ Thanks. I think you’re right that I didn’t hit the mark here (my first category creation attempt!). I think many of the relevant pages for this category are about the ‘stuff’ of learning to read - student readers, teacher books, software, electronic items - would Category:Learning to read materials or something like it be a better option? Smilingpolitely (talk) 11:27, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

~~Upmerge~~ to Category:Learning to read. No objection against creation of a books subcategory, a software subcategory or a courses subcategory when there are a substantial number of articles about them. But that is not yet the case. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:11, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Commercial reading programs to Category:Learning to read curricula

Rationale: by analogy to the existing but more narrowly focused Category:Phonics curricula. The word ‘’curricula’’ seems able to encompass the content of the pages in this category. Smilingpolitely (talk) 03:44, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have the impression that the category content meanwhile changed a bit, making my previous vote obsolete. Now alt rename to Category:Basal readers, aligned with main article Basal reader. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:15, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Trans women

Propose renaming Category:Trans women to Category:Transgender (male-to-female)

Nominator's rationale: The current name is rather misleading; an editor adding categories via HotCat or the visual editor may see it and assume it's for individual trans women (even though we already have Category:Transgender and transsexual women for them), when in reality it's for topics related to them in some way. The addition of M. J. Bassett, who I have just moved to the aforementioned Category:Transgender and transsexual women, supports my argument. Vaporgaze (talk) 09:22, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Needs a better target, not all trans women are “male to female”; merging to Category:Transgender and transsexual women makes sense. Gleeanon409 (talk) 09:54, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose alt merge, mixing topic articles with biographies in one category is not a good idea. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:41, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Still opposed. What about Category:Transgender and transsexual women as the parent category, and migrate biographies to Category:Transgender and transsexual women biographies or some similar scheme? Gleeanon409 (talk) 14:36, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am neutral towards both the original and the alternative rename proposal (except I would put "biographies" between brackets). @Vaporgaze: what is your opinion about the alternative rename? Marcocapelle (talk) 11:05, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Marcocapelle:Could've sworn I read a policy stating that we shouldn't name categories like this since the names are supposed to refer to the subjects of the articles rather than the articles themselves IIRC, but I can't find it anywhere now. Even if I'm just misremembering things, I'm not a fan of the alternative rename, as it would make the name inconsistent with those of just about every other non-hidden category, plus it just looks awkward.--Vaporgaze (talk) 11:27, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Trans men

Propose renaming Category:Trans men to Category:Transgender (female-to-male)

Nominator's rationale: The current name is rather misleading; an editor adding categories via HotCat or the visual editor may see it and assume it's for individual trans men (even though we already have Category:Transgender and transsexual men for them), when in reality it's for topics related to them in some way. Vaporgaze (talk) 09:22, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Needs a better target, not all trans men are “female to male”; merging to Category:Transgender and transsexual men makes sense. Gleeanon409 (talk) 09:50, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose alt merge, mixing topic articles with biographies in one category is not a good idea. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:41, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Still opposed. What about Category:Transgender and transsexual men as the parent category, and migrate biographies to Category:Transgender and transsexual men biographies or some similar scheme? Gleeanon409 (talk) 14:37, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Regulatory fraud

Propose merging Category:Regulatory fraud to Category:Regulatory compliance

Nominator's rationale: Only 3 articles. Articles about non-compliance could happily sit in the category about compliance Rathfelder (talk) 18:59, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Extended merge, the two articles about scandals should also be added to Category:Fraud and Category:Car crime. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:50, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I have added Greyball and an unrelated biography. IMHO there is scope to expand this category in a way that will be useful. – Fayenatic London 17:09, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]