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December 23

Category:Indigenous American Catholic saints

Nominator's rationale: This category is being used for more than saints of the Catholic Church. If it will be used for Santa Muerte and other "deities" that are folk saints outside the Church, it should not carry the name "Catholic". Elizium23 (talk) 20:12, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Commercial reading programs

Nominator's rationale: Aside from the immediate WP:ENGVAR issue of program vs programme, there's a deeper one in that "program" isn't really used in the sense of an education course in British English - and it's somewhat ambiguous with the software sense (per Category:Language learning software . It wasn't immediately obvious to me what this category was about. The creator did not categorise it and appears to have been unaware of Category:Learning to read, I suggest we tie it in more clearly to that parent category. Le Deluge (talk) 10:39, 23 December 2019 (UTC) Le Deluge (talk) 10:39, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

→ Thanks. I think you’re right that I didn’t hit the mark here (my first category creation attempt!). I think many of the relevant pages for this category are about the ‘stuff’ of learning to read - student readers, teacher books, software, electronic items - would Category:Learning to read materials or something like it be a better option? Smilingpolitely (talk) 11:27, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rationale: by analogy to the existing but more narrowly focused Category:Phonics curricula. The word ‘’curricula’’ seems able to encompass the content of the pages in this category. Smilingpolitely (talk) 03:44, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Trans women

Nominator's rationale: The current name is rather misleading; an editor adding categories via HotCat or the visual editor may see it and assume it's for individual trans women (even though we already have Category:Transgender and transsexual women for them), when in reality it's for topics related to them in some way. The addition of M. J. Bassett, who I have just moved to the aforementioned Category:Transgender and transsexual women, supports my argument. Vaporgaze (talk) 09:22, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Trans men

Nominator's rationale: The current name is rather misleading; an editor adding categories via HotCat or the visual editor may see it and assume it's for individual trans men (even though we already have Category:Transgender and transsexual men for them), when in reality it's for topics related to them in some way. Vaporgaze (talk) 09:22, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Regulatory fraud

Nominator's rationale: Only 3 articles. Articles about non-compliance could happily sit in the category about compliance Rathfelder (talk) 18:59, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Maya script

Explanation on the difference to its supercategory Category:Maya writing needed. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:07, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:American Theater Hall of Fame inductees

Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCAWARD, it is not a defining characteristic, in quite a few articles it is not even mentioned at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:06, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Vehicles rebuilt in China

Nominator's rationale: I'm not sure the creator understands what "rebuilt" means, and it seems to be applied inconsistently and often without references - the Evoque seems to be a current model made in a Chinese factory, others are examples of old tooling being sold to China. Le Deluge (talk) 09:29, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Crossings of the Prut River

Nominator's rationale: delete as a redundant category layer, they each only contain one subcategory. There is no need to merge, the subcategory has been adequately parented already. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:12, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sultan Qaboos Prize for Environmental Preservation laureates

Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCAWARD, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:31, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Beathard family

Nominator's rationale: No parent article, no evidence that these people are collectively referred to as the "Beathard family". WP:SYNTH, WP:OCAT. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:08, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Former Turkic states

Nominator's rationale: I'm not seeing a difference here. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 01:35, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle: On Sco.wiki, what I did was just renamed historical Turkic states to former Turkic countries and merged both into it. Then I up-merged Modern Turkic states with its parent category Turkic states (then renamed it to Turkic countries). That made sense to me because Azerbaijan Democratic Republic is basically just a former Turkic country while Turkey is a current Turkic country.
I also did other stuff though, so it might've only made sense in terms of Sco.wiki's category tree. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 19:54, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The question basically is what is the definition of a Turkic state. I would suppose it is a state in which non-Turkic people do not have the same legal rights for mere ethnic reasons. Modern states are not Turkic states, similarly the United Kingdom is not a Germanic state. (But possibly the whole concept of a Turkic state is ill-defined.) Marcocapelle (talk) 08:18, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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