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Category:Indigenous American Catholic Saints
- Propose renaming Category:Indigenous American Catholic Saints to Category:Indigenous American saints
- Nominator's rationale: This category is being used for more than saints of the Catholic Church. If it will be used for Santa Muerte and other "deities" that are folk saints outside the Church, it should not carry the name "Catholic". Elizium23 (talk) 20:12, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
- Support In order to include saints from folk religion. Dimadick (talk) 20:27, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
- Support For reasons above (I am the creator of the category) DiegoAma (talk) 23:19, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Category:Commercial reading programs
- Propose renaming Category:Commercial reading programs to Category:Learning to read courses
- Nominator's rationale: Aside from the immediate WP:ENGVAR issue of program vs programme, there's a deeper one in that "program" isn't really used in the sense of an education course in British English - and it's somewhat ambiguous with the software sense (per Category:Language learning software . It wasn't immediately obvious to me what this category was about. The creator did not categorise it and appears to have been unaware of Category:Learning to read, I suggest we tie it in more clearly to that parent category. Le Deluge (talk) 10:39, 23 December 2019 (UTC) Le Deluge (talk) 10:39, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
→ Thanks. I think you’re right that I didn’t hit the mark here (my first category creation attempt!). I think many of the relevant pages for this category are about the ‘stuff’ of learning to read - student readers, teacher books, software, electronic items - would Category:Learning to read materials or something like it be a better option? Smilingpolitely (talk) 11:27, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
- Upmerge to Category:Learning to read. No objection against creation of a books subcategory, a software subcategory or a courses subcategory when there are a substantial number of articles about them. But that is not yet the case. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:11, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Category:Trans women
- Propose renaming Category:Trans women to Category:Transgender (male-to-female)
- Nominator's rationale: The current name is rather misleading; an editor adding categories via HotCat or the visual editor may see it and assume it's for individual trans women (even though we already have Category:Transgender and transsexual women for them), when in reality it's for topics related to them in some way. The addition of M. J. Bassett, who I have just moved to the aforementioned Category:Transgender and transsexual women, supports my argument. Vaporgaze (talk) 09:22, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Category:Trans men
- Propose renaming Category:Trans men to Category:Transgender (female-to-male)
- Nominator's rationale: The current name is rather misleading; an editor adding categories via HotCat or the visual editor may see it and assume it's for individual trans men (even though we already have Category:Transgender and transsexual men for them), when in reality it's for topics related to them in some way. Vaporgaze (talk) 09:22, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Category:Regulatory fraud
- Propose merging Category:Regulatory fraud to Category:Regulatory compliance
- Nominator's rationale: Only 3 articles. Articles about non-compliance could happily sit in the category about compliance Rathfelder (talk) 18:59, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Extended merge, the two articles about scandals should also be added to Category:Fraud and Category:Car crime. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:50, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. I have added Greyball and an unrelated biography. IMHO there is scope to expand this category in a way that will be useful. – Fayenatic London 17:09, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Explanation on the difference to its supercategory Category:Maya writing needed. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:07, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment, Category:Maya script seems to be an okay category, per main article Maya script. It is the parent Category:Maya writing which is unclear in scope. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:03, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
- @1234qwer1234qwer4: see this follow-up nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:08, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
- The followup nomination resulted in a merger. MER-C 08:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
- @1234qwer1234qwer4: I guess this discussion can be closed without further action needed, right? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:54, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:American Theater Hall of Fame inductees
- Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCAWARD, it is not a defining characteristic, in quite a few articles it is not even mentioned at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:06, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Category:Vehicles rebuilt in China
- Nominator's rationale: I'm not sure the creator understands what "rebuilt" means, and it seems to be applied inconsistently and often without references - the Evoque seems to be a current model made in a Chinese factory, others are examples of old tooling being sold to China. Le Deluge (talk) 09:29, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:59, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep As some of these vehicles were cloned, some were produced also or badge engineered, with or without license. As nominated for deletion, my test was successful for reviewing the Germans view on automotive industry. Thanks. --Hans Haase (有问题吗) 17:13, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Category:Crossings of the Prut River
- Nominator's rationale: delete as a redundant category layer, they each only contain one subcategory. There is no need to merge, the subcategory has been adequately parented already. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:12, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- Eliminate this level - Such categories should not normally exist, both are merely parenting a bridges category. Possibly the bridge subcat should be merged here rather than this being deleted. If there were also multiple articles on ferries or tunnels, in theory having both might be legitimate, but it would perhaps be better to have them all in crossings. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:07, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- Noting that Category:Crossings by river and its crossing subcats include the subcat of Category:Bridges by river because crossings include ferries and tunnels. Retaining that uniform structure would not be a bad thing for the cost of these categories. Hmains (talk) 04:16, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- Not every river has enough coverage to need a crossings category. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:44, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
- Noting that Category:Crossings by river and its crossing subcats include the subcat of Category:Bridges by river because crossings include ferries and tunnels. Retaining that uniform structure would not be a bad thing for the cost of these categories. Hmains (talk) 04:16, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Category:Sultan Qaboos Prize for Environmental Preservation laureates
- Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCAWARD, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:31, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Category:Beathard family
- Nominator's rationale: No parent article, no evidence that these people are collectively referred to as the "Beathard family". WP:SYNTH, WP:OCAT. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:08, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Category:Former Turkic states
- Propose merging Category:Former Turkic states to Category:Historical Turkic states
- Nominator's rationale: I'm not seeing a difference here. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 01:35, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment, I see a difference in content: Category:Former Turkic states contains modern former states of which it is questionable to refer to them as Turkic states at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:48, 23 December 2019 (UTC)