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Controversial topic

I have created this article knowing full well the controversial nature of the topic. The topic is notable as per WP:NOTE and quite a few publications from both mainstream and alternative media cover the topic. I have attempted to write as objectively as possible and found that in the research there was very little in regards to the response to the criticism. If I missed anything major, feel free to add to the criticism section.

I tried my best to cite primary sources that were only supported by secondary sources. Some issues arose when it came to Reddit and Twitter communities as there was lots of discussion in those, but little to no coverage by media sources.

The title of the article could be perceived as contentious and could be moved to an alternate title if needed based on discussion.

The article need a bit of cleanup with formatting and internal linking. The article also needs to be linked to from other articles. Andrew Z. Colvin • Talk 04:52, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Be very careful. The wikipedia "mods" will attempt their very best to "censor" this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.228.226.198 (talk) 06:48, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's hard to justify censorship when it follows the guidlines outlined by Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:Reliable sources, and WP:NPOV. Andrew Z. Colvin • Talk 07:15, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jimmy Wales is a "Libertarian Tech Bro." I wouldn't be surprised if that general culture pervades throughout the entire site.

The entire opening section of this article contains zero sources and engages in significant speculation. I struggle to understand how something like this is allowed, it seems to be closer to the kind of stuff you see on Reddit, not Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.150.60.72 (talk) 16:12, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Leads do not have to contain references. Only the body. The lead is a summary of the cited body text. This is Wikipedia policy. Andrew Z. Colvin • Talk 21:48, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, the WP:LEAD section is only supposed to reflect and summarize what is found in the main body of the article and does not require any citations unless it is presenting a statement or two that is not found in the body. Ideally such statements should just be moved into the body of the article, somehow, because the main job of the lead is not to introduce ideas that aren't explained elsewhere. The layout of the article seems perfectly fine to me. Pericles of AthensTalk 21:23, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rather than delete this, why not find the relevant links, and input them? Drrichardpaul (talk) 16:55, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is a discussion about deletion that can be found Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Media bias against Bernie Sanders. Andrew Z. Colvin • Talk 19:10, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reference error fixes

There are a few reference errors that I can't seem to figure out how to fix. If you know how to fix them, please help! The In These Times section has an error that seems perfectly fine. Reference number 33 also has an error that makes no sense. References also need Wikilinks within them. Andrew Z. Colvin • Talk 05:06, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Errors resolved. Thank you Timothy.lucas.jaeger! Andrew Z. Colvin • Talk 06:51, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A few sources not mentioned

Here are a couple sources that could be included:

Here are sources that staunchly criticizes the accusations of bias:

Andrew Z. Colvin • Talk 23:24, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Request for comment

This article exhibits clear bias on the part of supporters of Bernie Sanders, as evidenced by the talk page and the content of the article itself. The main article for Bernie Sanders already contains a section dedicated to how he / his campaigns have been covered by news outlets. This page has no reason to exist other than to satisfy the agenda of Sanders supporters.

Bernie Sanders receives a good deal of news coverage, and the coverage he gets tends to be somewhat positive. His supporters have created this article to abuse the clout of Wikipedia and justify their narrative that Sanders's current standing in the polls is due to outside forces rather than simply having less support than his opponents. The existence of a separate article also allows them to avoid the higher scrutiny they would face when editing the main article for Bernie Sanders. In addition, this seems to be the only page on the entirety of Wikipedia dedicated to the media bias against a single person.

It is for these reasons that I believe this page should either be removed entirely, rolled into an existing section of the main Bernie Sanders article, or added as a new section of the main Bernie Sanders article. At the very least this article should be held to the same standard as any other political article, as political subjects are very easily affected by bias.

I apologize for any misuse of the Wikipedia editing process. I don't have any experience with this community, but had to speak out against what I feel is a clear abuse of the platform.

Ellie.Michaels (talk) 16:53, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ellie.Michaels, this page has been flagged as a possible candidate for deletion, and you can discuss your thought's on the page's importance here. Buggie111 (talk) 17:10, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]


If this Wikipedia Entry is so offensive to so many that they are constantly trying to have it removed, that is evidence of controversy, and thus Wikipedia may be being used as a part of a media conspiracy against the candidate. The very act of removing this entry could therefore be evidence that the bias exists in the form of a conspiracy. Perhaps we should re-frame this article, naming it something else, such as: "Evidence and examples of proven media bias (or conspiracy) against the candidacy of Bernie Sanders 2016-2020" then the page could be more of a historical archive of the known facts and evidence, and would be unrelated to subjective opinions about Bernie Sanders or his supporters. Michael E. Russell 09:01, 2 December 2019 (UTC) Michael Russell, a.k.a. Philosopher3000 Michael E. Russell 09:01, 2 December 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philosopher3000 (talk • contribs)

There is a discussion about deletion that can be found Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Media bias against Bernie Sanders. Andrew Z. Colvin • Talk 19:10, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2019

66.57.237.66 (talk)
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Sceptre (talk) 16:13, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If this page gets deleted...

...I have been compiling sources pointing to a rather alarming trend toward literal f--king FASCISM taking over this country through the mechanisms of the national security state.

Fascist takeover of America/U.S. will be up within a week of this page being removed.

Consider this your one warning.

--Abbazorkzog (talk) 18:25, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is probably not the most constructive comment, even if you are well-intentioned. Be sure to provide constructive comments that can be utilized to enhance an article's quality. Andrew Z. Colvin • Talk 19:10, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This article flagrantly violates Wikipedia's NPOV policy

The New York Times was called out when they retroactively made significant changes

The New York Times was "called out"? Is that how a neutral encyclopedia discusses allegations of media bias?

Jennifer Rubin immediately criticized Sanders as a dated, unpopular candidate upon which the next day he reached record fundraising numbers.

This is one example of blatant POV pushing (not to mention abysmal writing) in the article.

MSNBC analyst Mimi Rocah proclaimed that Bernie Sanders, "made her skin crawl" suggesting to viewers that he was not a pro-women candidate.[13][29] This directly contrasted the data from Pew that showed that Sanders polls highest among women.[30][31]

Here the author chooses one poll which is favorable to Sanders and uses it to imply that Rocah's opinion is wrong. Wikipedia editors should not be using Wikipedia resources to make the case for a political candidate.

Sanders went on to write in an email to his donors,

It is really very interesting that Wikipedia now citing candidates' emails to their donors. No citation is provided, of course, since one can't verify the veracity of an email to a donor, can one?

This article suffers from many, ***many*** flagrant violations of the Wikipedia NPOV policy. The author should consider recusing himself from the article. — goethean 20:21, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What I find interesting is that you have failed to actually look at the references. This is what the sources say. This is why it is documented as such. I support wording changes to neutralize or clarify statements, but it is ***very*** apparent you have a vested interest in deleting this article instead of actually analyzing the sources and rewriting material to be more "neutral". I suspect that is because you don't like the idea that something you disagree with has evidence to support it. Nevertheless, you may not like what the sources state, but that is what they state whether their interpretations are true or false.
Also, the article is not citing candidates emails. It cites an article that discusses his email in response to media criticisms. This is a perfectly valid primary source supported by a secondary source that exemplifies the campaigns stance on the issue that they believe is real. Once again, it does not matter if the bias is real or not, the media discussions exist and it is highly notable. Andrew Z. Colvin • Talk 20:59, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
As I said above there is no citation for the content that Sanders wrote to his donors. No citation. At all. — goethean 21:09, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable sources consider MintPress News disreputable

Reliable sources consider MintPress News disreputable.

This article cites Mintpress News, a disreputable source no less than twelve times. The use of disreputable sources is a clear indication that a POV is being pushed.

I am going to remove the content cited to Mintpress News. — goethean 20:37, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The 'reliable' sources as they are labeled by the new 'anti fake news' campaign that has been pushed by US establishment include every single major media outlet which sold the lie of nonexistent WMDs in Iraq, in addition to incredibly far-off sources like Bellingcat, who, despite being an outlet of Ukrainian ultra right-wing nationalists, is dubbed as 'reliable' - despite it doesnt even provide sources and instead cites unknown 3rd party 'activists'. In contrast MintPress News always has its articles well referenced, with sources ranging from prominent anti-war websites like Counterpunch, Truth Out to prominent intellectuals like Chomsky. — unity100 21:53, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What's more interesting is that none of the 'reliable' outlets ever write anything about the instances of actual media manipulation listed in the article even if they are visually captured on video. The only sources who write it are independent platforms like MintPress, or anti-war websites like Counterpunch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unity100 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
MintPress is not the only source that these things are discussed. It does not really matter if MintPress is considered unreliable if the same information can be corroborated elsewhere—which it can and is. See WP:UNRS. Take the time to actually do the research if you are unconvinced. I did. Extensively. I strongly reccomend you do remove content until the discussions are finished. I will undo them. Andrew Z. Colvin • Talk 20:59, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If I removed poorly cited material, you will undo my changes? — goethean 21:03, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely, because your claims of "poorly cited" are inaccurate. Check the sources first. I took a moment to check one of the claims to give you an example of how it is corroborated:
MintPress said, "It also attacked the idea that the Vermont Senator was supported by an army of mass donations from ordinary people. The title, headline, “Bernie Sanders Keeps Saying His Average Donation is $27, but His Own Numbers Contradict That,” calculated that the average donation was actually $27.89. What a contradiction! However, the majority of people do not read past the headline, meaning most of those who saw the well-shared article would have no idea how weak the charge was."
The section links the articles in question. When you look at https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/18/bernie-sanders-keeps-saying-his-average-donation-is-27-but-it-really-isnt/, the author of the article admits to the incorrect analysis of the claims he made. The Washington Post is considered the so-called "reliable source" and it perfectly verifies the commentary made by MintPress. I am guessing you are not even reading or looking at the sources or material. You are just making judgments based on your own biases. Andrew Z. Colvin • Talk 21:10, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Mintpress News is a disreputable source and needs to be removed from the article immediately. — goethean 21:18, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So basically that is your opinion, and as such, it should be accepted as fact ant implemented. Practically that's what you are saying, without any logic, reference or explanation to support it... Facts are not about feelings or biases Goethean. Unity100 (talk) 21:23, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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