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NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:Heritage listed buildings and structures by country

Propose merging ~~Category:Buildings and structures by heritage register~~ Category:Heritage listed buildings and structures by country to Category:Heritage registers by country

Nominator's rationale: Following the closure of WP:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_September_7#Category:Listed buildings and structures, it was suggested that I should make the necessary changes to implement my suggestion that this category should have one subcategory per country. I have accordingly edited subcategories, providing a new parent (where necessary) in cases where there were multiple national categories in this one, e.g. Grade 1 and 2 listed buildings in UK (and Hong Kong). Having done so, I found we also have a much more wide-ranging Category:Heritage registers by country. It looks to me as if what I have ended up with should effectively be a duplicate of that. I am therefore now suggesting merger to that, which is only feasible now after my alteration to the subject's sub-categories. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:40, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support in principle, per nom, per WP:OVERLAPCAT. However I think that a plain delete is more appropriate than a merge, since a merge would move some subcats to the target that do not belong there. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:21, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Admin note: please allow a few extra days for this discussion, as the bot removed the banner linking to this discussion when it moved the page after the previous discussion, and I have only just reinstated it. – Fayenatic London 08:23, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for correcting this. I initially made a hash of drafting the nom: that may be what triggered the bot's actions. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:21, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Generally concur with Marcocapelle, but also trust that Peterkingiron can do whatever cleanup he has in mind. If anything like the current category name is kept, it should be "heritage-listed" per MOS:HYPHEN. Anyway, my main concern is that a building/structure is not a heritage register, so such entries should not be dumped directly into any "heritage register[s]" category. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 21:40, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: As I mentioned in the previous nom, "Ideally there'd be a distinction between the categories containing the buildings and structures and the categories containing the list articles for each register." As Peterkingiron points out, this isn't quite often followed. It could probably be done both ways, but some categories will need extra layers as a result. Take Category:ASA Architectural Conservation Award recipients for example. Under the two-tree scheme, the category would fall under the buildings and structures tree, while the list article ASA Architectural Conservation Award would separately fall under the heritage registers tree. Under a merged scheme, there'd need to be an eponymous Category:ASA Architectural Conservation Award to hold both the recipients subcat and the list article, so that it can be placed under the heritage registers tree. Technically this would be a WP:EPONYMOUS violation, since buildings aren't heritage registers, as SMcCandlish mentioned above. Keeping the two trees separate would be cleaner; it'll require moving the subcategories from the heritage registers tree to the buildings and structures tree, while directly placing the list articles under the heritage registers tree if they aren't already there. --Paul_012 (talk) 21:11, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- It does not look like a convincing example. Category:ASA Architectural Conservation Award recipients already links to ASA Architectural Conservation Award as its main article, so we would not need Category:ASA Architectural Conservation Award. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:18, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Marcocapelle, my point was that Category:ASA Architectural Conservation Award recipients can't (or shouldn't) be placed directly under Category:Heritage registers by country, since it's a set category about the buildings, not the register itself. If we're opting for the merged single tree scheme, it will have to be squeezed in there somehow. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:49, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Pinging Oculi, who opposed such a merger in the previous discussion. --Paul_012 (talk) 21:11, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 14:30, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Statistical analysis

Propose merging Category:Statistical analysis to Category:Statistical methods

Nominator's rationale: undefined scope fgnievinski (talk) 15:49, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

~~Questions~~ Oppose, why shouldn't it also be merged to its other parent Category:Data analysis? And, doesn't Structured data analysis (statistics) define the scope? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:12, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 14:26, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Video games with custom soundtrack support

Propose deleting Category:Video games with custom soundtrack support (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This is a non-"defining" trait. A spot check of articles in the category had none even mentioning a custom soundtrack feature, nevertheless as a defining trait of the release. czar 00:57, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 14:26, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Buildings and structures on the Hanover-Würzburg high-speed rail line

Propose renaming Category:Buildings and structures on the Hanover-Würzburg high-speed rail line to Category:Hanover–Würzburg high-speed rail line

Nominator's rationale: Per MOS:DASH – Daybeers (talk) 00:40, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No objection against rename but this category can also be deleted per WP:NARROWCAT and WP:SMALLCAT. These buildings and structures are already or should be linked to in the main article. No other German HSL has its own category.Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 14:26, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Gaelic-language magazines

Propose renaming Category:Gaelic-language magazines to Category:Scottish Gaelic magazines

Nominator's rationale: Procedural nomination to match e.g. Category:Scottish Gaelic literature, after inconclusive discussion on Speedy page. – Fayenatic London 11:53, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Copy of Speedy discussion

Category:Gaelic-language magazines to Category:Scottish Gaelic magazines – C2C: All three category members were in Scottish Gaelic language; matches existing supercategories such as Category:Scottish Gaelic literature. Zerach (talk) 00:37, 3 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This would be inconsistent with the Foo-language magazines convention of Category:Magazines by language. Assuming "Scottish Gaelic" is appropriate, should this be Category:Scottish Gaelic-language magazines? -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 05:19, 3 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Black Falcon: I don't believe so. In most of those cases it's needed to resolve ambiguity—does "Portuguese magazines" mean magazines in the Portuguese language or Portuguese nationality of the writers, or based in Portugal? "Scottish Gaelic" refers exclusively to the language, so there's no ambiguity, and "Scottish Gaelic-language" is just redundant. Zerach (talk) 06:56, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note also the existence of Category:Esperanto magazines. So, "-language" appears to be for disambiguation only. —C.Fred (talk) 16:29, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]