Talk:Transylvanian Memorandum

Confusing sentence in article

"However, the outcome was procrastinated until after World War I and the Treaty of Trianon, with Romania itself oscillating between alliances with the Central Powers and the Entente, and with the parallel offer made by Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria (the heir apparent) to negotiate for a United States of Greater Austria: I can't sort this out, and the fact that "procrastinated" is not a transitive verb looks to be only part of the problem. - Jmabel | Talk 01:48, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I do have my minor flaws :). What I had meant to say was that activism for the union per se was partly postponed by the offer launched by Fr. Ferdinand to negotiate a federal system for the Empire instead of dualism. Of course, as we all know, he died before that could be. I was a little cryptical about it, mainly because I thought that people who want to know more about the United States of Greater Austria can just click the link (to cut out redundancies). The text was also meant to indicate that Romania itself was not getting involved, mainly because it was in a process of deciding whether it should stick with the Entente or with the Central Powers - the latter option made all backing of unionism quite impossible. The two attitudes are also intimately connected, IMO: Transylvanians became more likely to accept negotiating a US of Austria because Romania was attached to Austria and Germany.

Thank you for helping sort this out, Jmabel. Dahn 23:06, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Wording clarified, per your remarks here. - Jmabel | Talk 01:19, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Do not use the books of the official war propagandist Seton-Watson as references

Do not use the fantasy books of official paid war-propagandist Seton-Wattson as references. All of his family lived from paid state-financed paropaganda before and after the war.

Robert William Seton-Watson (August 20, 1879–July 25, 1951), commonly referred to as R.W. Seton-Watson, he also used the pseudonym Scotus Viator, was a British historian who also played an active role in encouraging the breakup of the Austro-Hungarian Empire during and after World War I.[1] In 1917-1918, Seton-Watson served on the Intelligence Bureau of the War Cabinet in the Enemy Propaganda Department where he was responsible for British propaganda to the Austrian and Hungarian peoples. [2] His son was Hugh Seton-Watson, who also became involved in propaganda in the 1970s with the Institute for the Study of Conflict.

Despite, he may be referred as a reliable source and a support for an opinion etc. see, WP:RS. However In case you consider any of his source is citing a clear fiction, explain here or present any source for that, so we may discuss in case.(KIENGIR (talk) 22:50, 10 November 2019 (UTC))

I fully agree with KIENGIR, you are welcome to bring your own sources that tackle the subject (the electoral irregularities in the Lands of the Crown of Saint Stephen between 1867 and 1918) and clarify (with independent, NPOV sources) why do you think that the facts presented by Seton-Watson are fantasy and propaganda. Mentatus (talk) 07:37, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

There is hundred boks, which speak about Seton Wattson as official propagandist during WW1 and after WW1. READ ABOUT HIM in THESE BOOKS: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Seton-Watson%22+propagandist&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=ACYBGNSxp6-1ltyj7LOk8IfnsSs4ebHfsw:1573502399215&source=lnms&tbm=bks&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSvbuc-eLlAhUJp4sKHamuBG0Q_AUIFygB&biw=2374&bih=1402

So he was a propagandist officially, and he worked for British Intelligence Services. HE is well known from his anti-German and Anti-Hungarian sentiment before the WW1.--Regtraht (talk) 20:02, 11 November 2019 (UTC)