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Generic Objects of Dark Energy (also known as GEODE and GEODEs) has been hypothesized as the result of the collapse of very large stars by Leningrad physicist Erast Gliner at the Ioffe Physico-Technical Institute in 1966.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11] Such GEODEs appear to be black holes when viewed from afar but, different from black holes, these objects contain dark energy instead of a gravitational singularity.[6][8] According to researchers, if a small number of the oldest stars collapsed into GEODEs, rather than black holes, their contribution, on average, would result in the uniform Dark Energy that is observed today.[6] In addition, researchers noted that the gravitational waves observed by the LIGO-Virgo collaboration in 2016 may be better understood as occurring between double GEODE collisions, instead of double black hole collisions, since the resulting GEODE masses would be up to 8 times larger with double GEODEs, approximately in agreement with the actual observed values.[6][8] A possible GEODE may be the supermassive compact object at the center of the M87 galaxy, named Powehi.[5][8]

File:PossibleGEODE-Powehi-M87Galaxy.jpg
Image of a possible GEODE object: the supermassive compact object at the center of the M87 galaxy, named Powehi.[5][8]

See also

References

  1. ^ Croker, Kevin; Nichimura, Kuris; Farrah, Duncan (8 April 2019). "The GEODE mass function and its astrophysical implications". arXiv. arXiv:1904.03781v2. Retrieved 10 September 2019.
  2. ^ Croker, K.S.; Weiner, J.L. (28 August 2019). "Implications of Symmetry and Pressure in Friedmann Cosmology. I. Formalism". The Astrophysical Journal. 882 (1). doi:10.3847/1538-4357/ab32da. Retrieved 10 September 2019.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)
  3. ^ Croker, Kevin A.S. (August 2018). "Perturbed Friedmann Cosmology Without Assumptions On The Stress: Consistency And Application To The Dark Energy Problem - Ph.D. in Physics Dissertation" (PDF). University of Hawaii. Retrieved 11 September 2019.
  4. ^ Bhattacharya, Sourav; Tomaras, Theodore N. (8 August 2017). "Cosmic structure sizes in generic dark energy models". The European Physical Journal C. 77: 526. doi:10.1140/epjc/s10052-017-5102-4. Retrieved 10 September 2019.
  5. ^ a b c University of Hawaii at Manoa (9 September 2019). "Are black holes made of dark energy?". EurekAlert!. Retrieved 10 September 2019.
  6. ^ a b c d University of Hawaii at Manoa (10 September 2019). "Are black holes made of dark energy?". Phys.org. Retrieved 10 September 2019.
  7. ^ Staff (10 September 2019). "Are black holes made of dark energy?". ScienceDaily.com. Retrieved 10 September 2019.
  8. ^ a b c d e Staff (10 September 2019). "The Strangest Phenomena in the Cosmos? –"Dark Energy Objects"". DailyGalaxy.com. Retrieved 10 September 2019.
  9. ^ Silbergleit, Alexander (April 2017). "Why Does the Universe Expand? (A Tribute to E.B. Gliner)". Chapter from Book "Interacting Dark Energy and the Expansion of the Universe" (pp.59-70). Retrieved 10 September 2019.
  10. ^ Staff (10 September 2019). "UH STUDY: Are Black Holes Made of Dark Energy?". BigIslandNow.com. Retrieved 10 September 2019.
  11. ^ Staff (10 September 2019). "Are black holes made of dark energy?". NewsBeezer.com. Retrieved 10 September 2019.


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    Created the talk-page for the Generic Objects of Dark Energy article - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 23:47, 10 September 2019 (UTC)


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    Not to be confused with dark fluid, dark flow, or dark matter.
    Part of a series on
    Physical cosmology
    Full-sky image derived from nine years' WMAP data
    Early universe
    Backgrounds
    Expansion · Future
    Components · Structure
    Components
    Structure
    Experiments
    Scientists
    Subject history

Generic object of dark energy (also known as GEODE and GEODEs) has been hypothesized to result from the collapse of very large stars by Leningrad physicist Erast Gliner at the Ioffe Physico-Technical Institute in 1966.[1][2][3][4][5][6] Such GEODEs appear to be black holes when viewed from afar but, different from black holes, these objects contain dark energy instead of a gravitational singularity.[4][5] According to researchers, if a small number of the oldest stars collapsed into GEODEs, rather than black holes, their contribution, on average, would result in the uniform Dark Energy that is observed today.[4] In addition, researchers noted that the gravitational waves observed by the LIGO-Virgo collaboration in 2016 may be better understood as occurring between double GEODE collisions, instead of double black hole collisions, since the resulting GEODE masses would be up to 8 times larger with double GEODEs, approximately in agreement with the actual observed values.[4][5] A possible GEODE may be the supermassive compact object at the center of the M87 galaxy, named Powehi.[3][5]

File:PossibleGEODE-Powehi-M87Galaxy.jpg
Image of a possible GEODE object: the supermassive compact object at the center of the M87 galaxy, named Powehi.[3][5]

See also

References

  1. ^ Croker, Kevin; Nichimura, Kuris; Farrah, Duncan (8 April 2019). "The GEODE mass function and its astrophysical implications". arXiv. arXiv:1904.03781v2. Retrieved 10 September 2019.
  2. ^ Croker, K.S.; Weiner, J.L. (28 August 2019). "Implications of Symmetry and Pressure in Friedmann Cosmology. I. Formalism". The Astrophysical Journal. 882 (1). doi:10.3847/1538-4357/ab32da. Retrieved 10 September 2019.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)
  3. ^ a b c University of Hawaii at Manoa (9 September 2019). "Are black holes made of dark energy?". EurekAlert!. Retrieved 10 September 2019.
  4. ^ a b c d University of Hawaii at Manoa (10 September 2019). "Are black holes made of dark energy?". Phys.org. Retrieved 10 September 2019.
  5. ^ a b c d e Staff (10 September 2019). "The Strangest Phenomena in the Cosmos? –"Dark Energy Objects"". DailyGalaxy.com. Retrieved 10 September 2019.
  6. ^ Silbergleit, Alexander (April 2017). "Why Does the Universe Expand? (A Tribute to E.B. Gliner)". Chapter from Book "Interacting Dark Energy and the Expansion of the Universe" (pp.59-70). Retrieved 10 September 2019.


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Created the talk-page for the Generic object of dark energy article - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 23:47, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

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I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Why are you writing these stuff about non-notable noble concepts with the auto-patrolled hat ?.

∯WBGconverse 13:01, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

@Winged Blades of Godric: Thanks for your cmt - not clear re "auto-patrolled hat" - please explain - Thanks. Drbogdan (talk) 13:15, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Notability

FWIW - seems "Notability" of the "Generic object of dark energy" article may be an issue - apparently, the current reference listing[1][2][3][4][5][6] may not be sufficient - if possible, other additional references, from secondary "WP:RS", would be welcome - Thanks. Drbogdan (talk) 13:37, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Croker, Kevin; Nichimura, Kuris; Farrah, Duncan (8 April 2019). "The GEODE mass function and its astrophysical implications". arXiv. arXiv:1904.03781v2. Retrieved 10 September 2019.
  2. ^ Croker, K.S.; Weiner, J.L. (28 August 2019). "Implications of Symmetry and Pressure in Friedmann Cosmology. I. Formalism". The Astrophysical Journal. 882 (1). doi:10.3847/1538-4357/ab32da. Retrieved 10 September 2019.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)
  3. ^ University of Hawaii at Manoa (9 September 2019). "Are black holes made of dark energy?". EurekAlert!. Retrieved 10 September 2019.
  4. ^ University of Hawaii at Manoa (10 September 2019). "Are black holes made of dark energy?". Phys.org. Retrieved 10 September 2019.
  5. ^ Staff (10 September 2019). "The Strangest Phenomena in the Cosmos? –"Dark Energy Objects"". DailyGalaxy.com. Retrieved 10 September 2019.
  6. ^ Silbergleit, Alexander (April 2017). "Why Does the Universe Expand? (A Tribute to E.B. Gliner)". Chapter from Book "Interacting Dark Energy and the Expansion of the Universe" (pp.59-70). Retrieved 10 September 2019.
There really is no notability for this acronym or for this topic, and I would argue that this article should be deleted. Please resist the temptation to create a Wikipedia article for any random press release that comes along, unless there really is some useful evidence for scientific notability beyond that press release itself. The sources here are basically a couple of published papers by one group (which have zero independent citations so far), a press release by that group's institution which publicized the new paper (a press release by one's own institution is not an independent source), and then news releases on other sites that just carry or repeat the university press release. That's about it. There is no evidence yet that the ideas presented in this new paper are being further studied or taken seriously by any other research groups or that the hypothesis has had any broader level of influence in astrophysics or cosmology. The idea that the M87 black hole in particular is one of these objects is just rampant speculation, and for a WP article to state that M87* might be a "GEODE" does a real disservice to the scientific consensus. If this idea pans out in the future then there will be a growing body of scientific work and citations to the relevant papers. Until that happens, there should not be a Wikipedia article on this topic. Aldebarium (talk) 20:35, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
@Aldebarium: Thank you *very much* for your *Excellent* comments - they're *greatly* appreciated - and understood - should note that many, although perhaps not all, articles that I created in a similar fashion seemed to pan out ok (esp "Apidima Cave", "Archicebus", "AT2018cow", "Denny (hybrid hominin)", "Genius (American TV series)", "Hachimoji DNA", "Human Genome Project - Write", "List of gravitational wave observations", "Lulu and Nana controversy", "MACS J1149 Lensed Star 1", "Pentecopterus", "Zhong Zhong and Hua Hua", and more) - perhaps other editors may (or may not) agree with your comments in this particular instance (i.e., "Generic object of dark energy") - in any case - Comments from other editors Welcome - and - Thanks again for your comments. Drbogdan (talk) 21:21, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Hello- thanks for your note and I do appreciate your very extensive WP contributions. In this case, compared with another astronomical article like AT2018cow, there's a big difference in that AT2018cow is an actual thing that was discovered and actually exists in our universe, and it was pretty immediately obvious shortly after discovery that it was an unusual and interesting event, and it very quickly attracted a lot of follow-up attention and observations with many scientific articles written about it. I think the same is true for the other articles you listed: the subjects are all actual things that verifiably exist. In the case of this article, in contrast, the subject is an extremely speculative hypothesis in theoretical physics where there is one group that is very recently promoting the idea, and their university press office put out a press release, and there's no real evidence of notability or scientific impact beyond that. The fact that their press release mentions M87* seems like just an attempt to add some hype by trying to connect this very speculative hypothesis to this recently very famous black hole. The only reason that this story would have come to your attention in the first place is that their university press office put out a story on it, and that's not a sufficient indicator of scientific notability: university press releases are a dime a dozen (as are the secondary versions of them that get picked up and republished by services such as EurekAlert or Phys.org). Until these papers have some evidence of scientific impact (in the form of independent publications and citations by other groups), there's no need for a WP article on this topic. I don't mean to denigrate the research itself- exploring new and speculative ideas like this is what theoretical physicists do, but a hypothesis should reach a sufficient level of notability to justify its own WP article. Aldebarium (talk) 23:49, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

@Aldebarium: Thank you for your latest reply - your comments are all very well taken - and familiar to me in earlier exeriences - at Wikipedia - and elsewhere - seems one of my created articles, "Subsatellite" (initially started as "Moonmoon"), may be an example of an article re a hypothetical object that later became a worthy article - even though no moon orbiting a moon has, to date, actually been discovered to support the hypothesis - nonetheless - at the moment, I'm flexible wth the issue re the "Generic object of dark energy" article - and agreeable to whatever "WP:Consensus" develops - and/or - with however the responsible scientific community responds in the reliable media - perhaps further comments from other editors - and time - would be helpful - Thanks again for your comments. Drbogdan (talk) 01:21, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

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