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Litvinenko

Wikipedia is not a place where we post public service announcements. That's why it doesn't go on the top. I'm moving it back down to where it properly belongs. Sorry I removed the info in the first place. It was only a few minutes later that I realized it was on the news, but then someone else had added it back to the bottom. Nishkid64 00:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Actually, you're quite mistaken, Nishkid. During last year's hurricane in New Orleans, for instance, Wikipedians made a valiant effort to keep Wikipedia updated with relevant and timely information that was completely oriented toward a public service...which -- at it's core -- is what Wikipedia strives to be. --72.183.125.111 01:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please see the relevant discussion at Talk:Alexander Litvinenko. The burden to assert why it should be included lies on you. The information is relevant to the investigation into Litvinenko's death, and should be included in the relevant section of the article. But the new development is not relevant to the person of Alexander Litvinenko, and as such does not belong in the intro of the article. Aecis Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984. 01:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • The information is clearly quite relevant to the person of Alexander Litvenenko, who is now deceased as a result of what British authorities are investigating and uncovering with some obvious success. This seems very matter-of-fact. --72.183.125.111 01:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the possible scenario that Litvinenko committed suicide, please join the discussion at Talk:Alexander Litvinenko#Police investigating suicide. Aecis Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984. 23:37, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • I removed the British Airways section thinking it hadn't made the news, and I even apologized for doing that unknowingly. However, you added it to the top of the page, which is why we had problems here. Wikipedia is not a news website, so public service announcements do not belong here.
  • Also, I would appreciate if you would stop taking matters in your own hands before discussing on the talk page. You deleted the suicide section saying it was speculation. All of the theories are speculation! KGB involvement, Putin, Berezovsky, etc. They are all theories. Suicide is a theory as well, and it definitely deserves a mention in the article. Also, others did agree that the section should be kept, and that's why it was kept there. Despite these issues, I thank you for your contributions to the article, thus far. Nishkid64 23:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes...all of the theories are speculation. So, my suggestion, quite plainly, is that this encyclopedic article stick to the facts and stop speculating. Say, facts like: "radioactivity found on planes travelling between Moscow and Heathrow." That's not merely 'news'...given the pedigree of the information, it is factual follow-up on Litvinenko's death. --72.183.125.111 23:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • The thing is that...we're not the ones speculating. The rest of the world is. That's a big difference. Nishkid64 00:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • That's a bit like saying that the neighbor listening to gossip isn't as guilty as the neighbor that is speaking the gossip. The article is quite weak at the moment due to its excessive use of bizarre and/or POV opinion. Quoted opinions & speculation belong in a section labeled opinions & speculation, as they otherwise seem quite intended to obfuscate the facts with propoganda. --72.183.125.111 00:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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