Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/365Chess.com

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. No agreement on whether this is truly spam or simply non-notable, but there's clear consensus to delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:58, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

365Chess.com

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Not notable at all; fails WP:N, is sourced by unrelated websites, and the only results that show up on Google is the site itself. –eggofreason^{(talk · contribs)} 15:09, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, no coverage in news, page also written like a promotion. (note, to get search results that are not from the site itself, use ""365Chess.com" -wikipedia -site:365Chess.com" in Google) Jeb³ _{Talk at me here} 15:28, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - there are four external sources which are not blogs, and one is from Google books. I surely didn't write the article for promotion, in fact I regard Chessgames.com as better and I refer to it in over 90% of my searches of games and/or tournaments. However, I think that 365Chess.com is a good chess site, better than many others. I have written over 900 pages on chess on the Italian wikipedia (where I have the same username as here) and sometimes I found an interesting game on 365Chess that was not available on Chessgames (the opposite also happens). The site deserves to be known, I will accept suggestions for changing the text in a way that it doesn't appear as a promotion, which was not at all my intention. --Gab.pr (talk) 19:36, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete appears to fail WP:WEBCRIT. VQuakr (talk) 20:19, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ I wish to make an example: I'm currently writing the it.wikipedia page on the Venice 1950 tournament (won by Kotov ahead of Smyslov). Though I agree that the number of games is not the most important feature of a chess database, 365Chess.com contains all games (120) listed round by round (Venice 1950), while Chessgames.com has 70 games. Since I usually put the complete crosstable on the pages of tournaments, this would not be possible without having the results of all games. --Gab.pr (talk) 08:03, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A website can be a useful source without being itself notable. VQuakr (talk) 19:05, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's true, but why isn'it this site notable? --Gab.pr (talk) 14:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Because the site has not been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself. VQuakr (talk) 19:00, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Spam and promo piece. Lapablo (talk) 18:37, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Spam is defined by en.wikipedia as "unsolicited or undesired electronic messages", 365Chess.com does nothing of that sort. The article only gives a description of the site, is that to be condidered "promotion"? --Gab.pr (talk) 18:57, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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