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Support. Nine, eleven, or forty-two leading "dots" still just constitute an ellipsis. I do wish Wikipedia would recognize the difference between suspension points and ellipses, though. Everybody else seems to understand the distinction. Oh, and what spaces are we talking about? The ones between the eleventh and twelfth leading dots, or the ones between the seventh and eighth ones?—Jerome Kohl (talk) 07:29, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Nono did not specify what he meant by using five leading dots. The inconsistencies in the sources used are probably due to the fact that some of them may have replaced the five dots with an ellipsis. If Nono wanted to use an ellipsis, why would he use five points followed by a space, knowing that that would cause trouble? Until an explanation for this is provided, I would keep the title as it is. In the case of using the title proposed by Michael Bednarek, I don't see why we should not delete the spaces as well. Ron Oliver (talk) 15:24, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Question. OK, I have seen it. What is your point? That the composer's autograph manuscript should be the basis for the form of the title? If this is the case, then I observe that the title includes enclosing double quotation marks of the raised/lowered variety, that there is no space between the opening quotation mark and the first dot, but a (rather wide) space between the final dot and the closing quotation mark, that there is a space before "So FFERTE" but none after "SERENE", and that the opening row of dots appears to be on the baseline, but the closing one is centred vertically. Oh, yes, and the title is in full caps except for the second letter of "So FFERTE", which is lowercase and has a space after it, and that "O N D E" has extra spacing between the letters and appears to have an extra space before it. Perhaps the best way of dealing with this would be to use a photo-facsimile of the manuscript title page as the title of this article, perhaps with a parenthetical addition similar to "The composition formerly known as ... onde sofferte serene "? (Just in case anyone is mistaking this for a serious suggestion, my point is that titles are never treated this way, for obvious reasons.)—Jerome Kohl (talk) 17:37, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
