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January 4

Template:Medal "For Courage"

unused and not needed. Frietjes (talk) 18:52, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete unused --Tom (LT) (talk) 20:38, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. As far as I can tell, they're intended for use in recipients' articles, basically as a way of simplifying the use of ribbon images while providing a convenient link. The image for Odessa is in use at several articles, e.g. Semyon Budyonny and Ivan Bagramyan, and I suspect all of the others are in use as well; the Budyonny article, in particular, uses a lot of them. Looks to me as if these could easily be de-orphaned. Whether they're needed in the first place should not be discussed here, since these aren't apparently different from other medal templates that aren't here nominated; if you mean that they ought to be deleted even if a use is found, a bigger discussion will be needed. Nyttend (talk) 13:18, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Galobtter (pingó mió) 02:06, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 01:44, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Underpopulated category

I have to question the usefulness of tagging categories with this template. I suspect that there are a few dozen categories which could benefit by the placement of this tag, but there are over 15,000 categories that have it with little effort being done by other editors to bring the number down. This was nominated for deletion nearly 12 years ago with a resounding consensus to keep, but that was only after a few years of existence and probably thousands of fewer categories tagged with it. I brought this up recently at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories#Category:Underpopulated categories and learned this was brought up a couple years ago as well at Category talk:Underpopulated categories#What is the point of this?.

  • Repeating some of the issues:
  1. Categories get tagged but the tag rarely gets removed when the category gets populated
  2. Tagging is often inappropriate. A category could have 3 or 4 articles in it, but it's often the case that no other candidates exist to populate it further.
  3. Tags have been found on categories that have numerous articles via a diffused subcategory scheme.
  4. It only seems like a few category creators who tend to add the tag to nearly every category they create with the expectation that other editors will populate it (or not realizing or not caring that it can't be populated further).
  5. Often times, the more appropriate tag would be {{category diffuse}} to a parent category to populate a new or expanded scheme of subcategories, rather than use the underpopulated tag in each of the child categories.

The intent of the tag is to inform other editors that the category needs more articles added to it. First off, why is that important? Secondly, why is the tag being added? If there are known missing articles, the person who added the tag probably has a better idea what's missing than someone who happens to come across it by chance. Thirdly, based on how long some of these tags have remained (some as early as 2006), there aren't editors willing to populate the categories. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 00:59, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete (preliminarily, unless good rationale for keeping below). Our primary purpose is to serve as an encyclopedia, ie. in the creation of articles, not to act as a directory (WP:NOT). I don't think it's helpful to this or the encyclopedia to add extra expected work (adding tag, filling categories, removing tag) that is at most tangential to this purpose. The nominator also makes some good points - tags do not seem to drive articles being added to categories, and they are often added inappropriately and widely. --Tom (LT) (talk) 02:22, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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