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Some review papers editors may find useful

copy editing is not one of my strengths, So I thought others who wish to edit this article may find this collection of review paper of some use Language Processing in the Brain dolfrog (talk) 03:26, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Very little information given on brain centers responsible for written language

This article seems focused almost exclusively on speech processing in the brain to the exclusion of the neurological basis of written language. The article should either be expanded or renamed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.121.6.113 (talk) 02:54, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Autism Affecting Language Processing in the Brain

The disorder of Autism basically impact children at a young age, and most who has the disorder also have a learning disability. Research has also claimed that if a child with autism who are not speaking by the age 4 or 5, most likely will not learn to properly speak and comprehend from then on. [1] Langauge is easiest to learn at a young age, but those who have a learning disability due to autism are blocked from the ability to learn a language at a young age. Is it harder for those with a learning disability to learn a language now? If so, how?

Questions that also arises is what factors of autism prevent those with it to have a learning disability, thus some having a language-delay and some not being able to learn a language at?

What factors determine if a child does learn a language after a language-delay and a child not learning a language?

How does the brain structure people with ALS[2] compare to someone with autism?

I believe this Wikipedia page should include the numerous disorder which affects language processing in the brain, as there are numerous question and factors of how one brain can or can not comprehend/learn a language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toanndo (talk • contribs) 03:14, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.autismspeaks.org/science/science-news/many-nonverbal-children-autism-overcome-severe-language-delays
  2. ^ http://www.alsa.org/about-als/

No section on visual languages / sign languages

This article doesn't include information on sign languages, which would strengthen this article. Lornaquandt (talk) 18:56, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edits

There's some back forth happening recently. User KarinaCors has made changes based on their understanding of scientific consensus on a "defunct theory", but has not explained what that theory is or why it is defunct. Perhaps a discussion on the talk page would be more helpful than making substantive changes on the page itself. Lornaquandt (talk) 18:56, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the defunct status of the Wernicke-Lichtheim-Geschwind model, please read references 10-16 in the article. It has been acknowledged for about 20 years now that the concept of Wernicke's area was based on misunderstandings of analysis of brain damaged patients, and is not suuported by MRI research. This has been acknowledged by leading leaders in the field of language processing in the brain, such as Nina Dronkers, Marsel Mesulam, Josef Rauschecker, David Poeppel and Gregory Hickok. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KarinaCor (talk • contribs) 13:16, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Recent changes seem to add substantial information about sound processing and perception rather than information about how the language processing happens. Sections such as "sound localization," "guidance of eye movements," and "integration of locations with auditory objects" are not directly relevant to language so much as how people perceive sound and integrate stimuli. I see two options here: (1) relocate this information to a more appropriate article or (2) redesign a section to discuss how stimuli perception (auditory, visual, tactile) relates to language processing.Bkaps13 (talk) 14:04, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sections 'sound localization', 'guidance of eye movements' and 'integration of locations with auditory objects' were removed from this article. Sections that were accidentally erased 'speech production', 'vocal mimicry' and 'monitoring of speech' were recreated.KarinaCor (talk) 18:52, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@KarinaCor: Two new articles, Auditory dorsal stream and Auditory ventral stream were created based on material from this article. I also cross linked this article with the two new articles. It is redundant to have exactly the same material in both the parent and daughter articles. That is why I removed the material in the parent article that was copied to the daughter articles. Boghog (talk) 19:07, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. But now the current page makes no sense. You took out the parts discussing language processing in the brain.KarinaCor (talk) 19:14, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps it would make sense to remerge and restore the redirects from Auditory dorsal stream and Auditory ventral stream back to this article. Boghog (talk) 19:19, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
But the pages were not identical. Per requests of editors here, the auditory dorsal stream page focuses also on non-linguistic functions, such as sound localization. The current page just focuses on the language parts of the auditory dorsal stream. I see the problem you identify, but currently the page has into and conclusion and no content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KarinaCor (talk • contribs) 19:25, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Big chucks were identical and clearly copy and pasted from the parent into the daughter articles. Is there any way we can remove the redundancy? Boghog (talk) 19:30, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe its because I'm new here but I don't truly understand what is the problem. Between related topics there are bound to be overlapping sections. Seems natural to me and not something to worry about. Currently, people who are curious about language processing in the brain have no access to it through wikipedia. If it is necessary then a solution would be to remove the auditory ventral stream section and auditory dorsal stream section, and revert back the language processing in the brain section to its latest version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KarinaCor (talk • contribs) 19:39, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This subject area is way out of my area of expertise so I am having difficulty understanding how LP, ADS, and AVS relate to each other. Is it correct that the ADS is primarily involved in language processing and the AVS sound processing? And that the AVS is a prerequisite for ADS? So why not move out the mechanistic details of ADS and AVS to the respective daughter articles and briefly summarize mechanism in the parent article? Boghog (talk) 19:49, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Or why not revert to this version and restore the redirects from ADS and AVS to this article. I really do not see the problem of having sound processing in this article as it is a prerequisite for language processing. Boghog (talk) 19:53, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think the core of confusion is that for some reason a part of the ADS discussing speech production was erased. If to revert then to the latest version (the one discussing speech production)
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