Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ed Winters

Ed Winters

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One minor news article, the rest are his sources for making money. Small number of followers. Doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG. JamesG5 (talk) 14:26, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Perhaps we missed The Telegraph, The Guardian, The Huffingtonpost, and the incident with the pigs in school, or the 2nd annual march? Den... (talk) 15:56, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:48, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:48, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Den... Morgan Ginsberg (talk) 01:09, 20 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It meets notability criteria for a notable person and is founder of a notable grassroots animal rights organization, with worldwide activists. Also, large amount of YouTube followers: 127,500. User:Steven02511 Signed —Preceding undated comment added 03:49, 20 October 2018 (UTC) Steven02511 (talk) 04:45, 20 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There are zero reliable sources in the article. As far as I can see, there are only two RSs out there that could be used, The Guardian and HuffPost. But I don't think those two are sufficient. Maybe if Winters were the main subject of each, but alas, he is not. We have to follow WP:GNG here. HelloMultiverse (talk) 15:02, 20 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as long as the Daily Telegraph, Guardian, Huffingtonpost, Evening Standard, Sun, and Metro sources listed below by Den... are included. HelloMultiverse (talk) 13:39, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
probably delete, appears to be WP:PROMO for a non-notable activist. Org he founded, Surge activism, may not be notable either.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:57, 20 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:PROMO. The sources listed above merely mention him or briefly interview him. They do not cover him significantly. The sources on the page don't either, they're links to help him make money as the nominator pointed out - one is to his freaking Patreon account, which is a clear showing WP:PROMO has been violated. Also, you don't pass WP:N through the number of Youtube subscribers you have... SportingFlyer talk 06:53, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I think that if this article would have been written as a promotional piece it would have included details that are also included in his personal page or in his twitter account. It would also make him look as the Rockstar of the activist world. But it does not. It is succinct, outdated and it lacks lots of data that is relevant.

When dealing with current topics, Wikipedia requires notability verified through reliable sources, and this article fits here perfectly, namely, to inform readers of a person who has a notable coverage. Mr. Winters’ profile, whom I was totally unfamiliar with prior to arriving to this AfD, has superseded the animal protection and vegan activism by appearing, not only in two news events in major international papers, but in many more. I also find little strength in the argument that these news are hardly related to Mr. Winters when he is at the center of the events reported and often the only name mentioned.

Here are the ones I found together with the ones mentioned above (for perspective). All of these sources fit within what internal discussion in WP has already identified as reliable sources (see here and here).

The Daily Telegraph: here, here, and here.

The Guardian: here.

The Huffingtonpost: here.

Evening Standard: here, here and here (see here for a discussion about this source as reliable).

Montreal Times: here.

In scholarly circles, at least: one here.

This list is not counting the myriads of references to lesser reliable sources like the Sun, Metro, or business news, and publications dealing with animal rights or vegan activism. There is something fishy when a brand-new account plunges into AfD debates saying, “Zero reliable sources.” Obviously, this is a statement that cannot be supported by evidence now. Den... (talk) 16:45, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Promotion doesn't need to make someone "look like a rockstar." The fact there are links to his specific projects Also, none of those sources listed cover him significantly per WP:SIGCOV - they all just mention him. SportingFlyer talk 22:42, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note that I looked at the alleged "scholarly" source above, it is a mere speakers listing of Winters as one of scores of speakers at a conference on animal rights. NOT scholarly.E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:06, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as WP:PROMO for a YouTube activist. Hits in my searches in searches are overwhelmingly to a non-notable animal rights activist website [1] to which Winters contributes. Hits in RS media are mere mentions of his participation in protests and politically-motivated acts of vandalism. Fails WP:ANYBIO, fails WP:SIGCOV.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:10, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note that article creator Steven02511 had created 9 pages, 3 of which have been deleted, 1 is currently at AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Surge activism, and, with one exception, the others have been tagged for notability (Confessions of a Sociopath, Lethal Eviction, Anonymous for the voiceless.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:10, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]