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September 11

Category:Purges murder in fiction

Nominator's rationale: Odd naming and contains only two films. It is also very similar to Category:Films about mass murder and Category:Genocide in fiction, and just too specific in general. Sandrobost (talk) 23:37, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:iOS (Apple)

Nominator's rationale: per main article, iOS.89.139.68.161 (talk) 22:49, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Songs written by Jedward

Nominator's rationale: We do not do songwriters by band name - which is the marketing term used to sell records. Members of a band can change, but the songwriting credits do not. Here is a sample previous discussion which also refers to other Discussions. Richhoncho (talk) 16:04, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
So why not move to the pair's names??? Johnbod (talk) 04:11, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Johnbod:. Because neither person has an article and there is only one song written by either of them at present. --Richhoncho (talk) 09:24, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As you've successfully argued in CfD before @Richhoncho:, the writer(s) of a song is a defining characteristic even if the writer does not have an article. Is this a SMALLCAT argument then? Johnbod's suggestion below seems reasonable: use both names and split if they write notable songs independently. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:14, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep/rename If you want to delete as "small & unlikely to expand", say so, but that is a weak argument. They have a double biography as Jedward, and deserve a songwriter category, either as a pair or using both names. It could be renamed if they split up. Specious nom. Johnbod (talk) 13:31, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars: I would argue small cat if either a) there were a number of songs to be joined together, or, b) the songwriters had their own articles. If separated where would a searcher go, other than to the category? And no @Johnbod: it is not a specious argument. --Richhoncho (talk) 20:03, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You're talking about the exception to small categories, but WP:SMALLCAT says to "avoid categories that, by their very definition, will never have more than a few members", which seems to be your argument here. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 22:07, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Not at all. My nomination is clear, the band name 'Jedward' is a marketing name, no more, no less (Example: Without mentioning marketing names who had no part in the creation of a song, how many of The Beatles were on the Beatle song, 'She's Leaving Home?'). If you think the two individual songwriters should be split into to categories, then do it, I will not be objecting, but I am still failing to find any WP advantage in any such action. --Richhoncho (talk) 23:20, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No doubt both names redirect to Jedward, so that is where a searcher would go. Johnbod (talk) 03:18, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Romani people and Romanipen in Romania

Nominator's rationale: Romanipen (a redirect to Romani society and culture#Romanipen) is defined (in short) as Romani spirit, culture, law, being a Romani, a set of Romani strains. Therefore, these categories seem to serve exactly the same purpose and refer to exactly the same ethnic and cultural group. Note that Category:Romanian Romani people (for individual people) is not affected by this nomination. Place Clichy (talk) 14:20, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Metropolitan boroughs

Category:Foster Farms Bowl

Nominator's rationale: The game has been renamed to the San Francisco Bowl, no longer known as Foster Farms Bowl. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 12:22, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support. As a matter of fact, why is a discussion even needed? You could have just been bold, created the new San Francisco Bowl category yourself, and moved all the pages there. Tom Danson (talk) 15:35, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Tom Danson: I did that for the Cheez-It bowl category, but I wasn't sure if that was frowned upon. I will do that with the champion seasons subcategory. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 19:09, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination. @PCN02WPS: the subcategory Category:Foster Farms Bowl champion seasons should be similarly renamed. Jweiss11 (talk) 17:02, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Free Linux distributions

Nominator's rationale: "Free" is ambiguous as most Linux distributions are free of charge, there is only one subcategory: Free software only Linux distributions and that being more specific, this category obviously isn't needed. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 08:56, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, xplicit 04:10, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The sub-cat is already in the other parent, Category:Free software only operating systems. I also note that by Marcocapelle's rationale, that parent should be nominated for merger to its sole parent Category:Free software operating systems as it has no other content. If that is to happen, then do we need to keep the sub-cat Free software only Linux distributions, or should that be merged to the nominated category instead? – Fayenatic London 11:07, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: With alternative below; those categories are now also tagged
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic London 11:24, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alternative nomination:
I am adding this as a formal alternative nomination, hoping that this will clarify the options. – Fayenatic London 11:24, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:A.S.D. Nuova Cassino 1924 players

Nominator's rationale: The club had renamed to A.S.D. Cassino Calcio 1924, as well as according to the official name in the current official website https://cassinocalcio1924.it Matthew_hk tc 10:54, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People associated with the Lockheed bribery scandals

Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCASSOC. We usually categorize people based on conviction, not based on association. Possibly include the content of the category in a separate section of the Lockheed bribery scandals article. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Principality of Galilee

Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, the category only contains the eponymous article, a redirect and a subcategory. A full upmerge to all parents is not needed, the content is already in appropriate other Crusader categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:20, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Bethania, North Carolina

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Small one-county community with just two entries. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 00:19, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom The town is 3-centuries old, but never grew into a major settlement. It has a smaller population that several villages. It is unlikely we can populate this category with many articles. Dimadick (talk) 15:41, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]